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Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 02 2014 22:44 GMT
#2341
Just how in the world does jailing you prove your innocence? If you tell someone to jail you, what good would that possibly do in proving you are townie? You'd get jailed, and since you baited a jail, mafia is free to shoot someone else without fear of being jailed, and without fear of shooting someone that was jailed. No scum in their right mind would think to hand the gun to you after you ask to be jailed. The shot goes off clear and someone else other than you dies.

Maybe we can get a clear answer to this.

If somebody is jailed AND roleblocked, do they still receive a roleblock PM, or does the jail override that and they only receive a jailed PM?
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 02 2014 22:53 GMT
#2342
On July 03 2014 07:03 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2014 01:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I can work a case on Haru, poof, Epishade and mtamburini using my main post as the source of my interpretations. The problem is deciding what is the better case right now. You bring very good points concerning Haru, but his arguments (besides refusing answering you) also makes sense. The problem is: is he lying or is he desperately trying to save town doing these stuffs?

Don't you think having a cop, a jailer and a vigilante is too much? If you think a jailer and a cop is enough, then you've got another argument against Haru because he considered so bad the possibility of a vigilante right now.

Alright. If we have a jailer, please put a lot of thought when deciding who to jail. Read some posts and try to think what mafia would do when (1) having privileged information and (2) knowing what townies are thinking of themselves.

I would also ask you to consider trying to jail scum, as we might have just one left. If you manage to jail the killer, no kill will happen and we will be able to lynch mafia with precision


yes, I think having 3 roles is too much for town at this point. Most likely there isn't a vigi. I just attributed the n1 shot as a vigi shot since I don't see scum motive for it.

To respond to the rb question, I got rb d2, nothing d3 and jailed d4. Idk why there wasnt a rb d2 and 3. Either people did not report it or scum decided not to roleblock (they thought no blue exist?) Or that it hit the jailer and he did not want to say it since there was no jail claims d2.

Either jail me to prove my innocence or jail your most likely scum target. Jailing me gives the extra benefit of overlapping with the rb


Jailer could have jailed the RBer.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 02 2014 22:58 GMT
#2343
^Oh shit, I didn't even think of that.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
July 02 2014 23:00 GMT
#2344
On July 03 2014 06:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2014 05:57 mtamburini wrote:
On July 02 2014 21:10 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 02 2014 17:08 HaruRH wrote:
I just woke up.

Wut we got scum? How is templar scum? =.=


You know, there is a guy named GlowingBear and specially a girl named Hobbitus who made their cases on Templar.


And a guy names mtamburini who wanted Templar lynched from 2 days ago


Who is mafia? I'm at the point that I think its haru or you just fyi.


So you think its haru then?
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 02 2014 23:44 GMT
#2345
On July 03 2014 07:44 Epishade wrote:


If somebody is jailed AND roleblocked, do they still receive a roleblock PM, or does the jail override that and they only receive a jailed PM?

A little flavor solves this question. When someone is jailed, they are in a secure cell. There is no reason for Sulu to do anything, and scum cannot reach the jailed individual without neutralizing Scotty first somehow.

Therefore, since any roleblocks would not go through, why would the jailed individual be notified of experiencing a roleblock?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 02 2014 23:57 GMT
#2346
On July 03 2014 08:44 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2014 07:44 Epishade wrote:


If somebody is jailed AND roleblocked, do they still receive a roleblock PM, or does the jail override that and they only receive a jailed PM?

A little flavor solves this question. When someone is jailed, they are in a secure cell. There is no reason for Sulu to do anything, and scum cannot reach the jailed individual without neutralizing Scotty first somehow.

Therefore, since any roleblocks would not go through, why would the jailed individual be notified of experiencing a roleblock?

Maybe the person jailed would like to know if he had any visitors lol.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
July 02 2014 23:59 GMT
#2347
On July 03 2014 08:57 Epishade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2014 08:44 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 03 2014 07:44 Epishade wrote:


If somebody is jailed AND roleblocked, do they still receive a roleblock PM, or does the jail override that and they only receive a jailed PM?

A little flavor solves this question. When someone is jailed, they are in a secure cell. There is no reason for Sulu to do anything, and scum cannot reach the jailed individual without neutralizing Scotty first somehow.

Therefore, since any roleblocks would not go through, why would the jailed individual be notified of experiencing a roleblock?

Maybe the person jailed would like to know if he had any visitors lol.


Trolololol
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 03 2014 01:21 GMT
#2348
So during the hour after night actions are sent in and the day break I think it would be a decent idea for people to claim their roles.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 03 2014 01:47 GMT
#2349
I think it would be better to claim only if necessary. We still have 1 more potential night that jailer might be useful, unless he prevents tonight's shot. No use in him claiming just yet.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 03 2014 01:52 GMT
#2350
On July 03 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:
I think it would be better to claim only if necessary. We still have 1 more potential night that jailer might be useful, unless he prevents tonight's shot. No use in him claiming just yet.


Him claiming after night actions might be good tbh.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 03 2014 02:00 GMT
#2351
Oh yeah? If he claims after night actions, then mafia knows who he is. There's only a few of us left now, but I don't think we're going to mislynch jailer tomorrow. You're up on the chopping block, and Haruhi might be too. Haruhi's already claimed cop, so unless you're jailer, jailer should remain anonymous.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
July 03 2014 02:29 GMT
#2352
WHAT ABOUT THE VIGI GUYS< HE COULD STILL BE ALIVE AND HAVE A SHOT>

This jailer is boring thought wed talk about other roles.

MASON PAIR SHOULD COME OUT TOMORROW AS WELL
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 03 2014 02:54 GMT
#2353
I'm a little doubtful of vigi at this point. I kind of assumed there might not be a vigi in this game, and there's been nothing to suspect it. Vigi missing a shot would instantly lose us the game, but if there IS a vigi in this game, and you're willing to take the shot, shoot Haruhi tonight. There's no way we'd get a cop, vigi, AND a jailer in this game. Haruhi's also done a LOT of very bad moves this game to warrant enough suspicion on her.

Mason pair can claim if there is one too. I can't see any problem with that happening, though I'm not sure I'd be so quick to believe it wasn't the two mafia claiming.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
July 03 2014 03:01 GMT
#2354
Why would vigi insta lose us the game?
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 03 2014 03:03 GMT
#2355
Sorry, that's assuming there's 2 mafia left. If there's 1 mafia left, he can misshoot and we'll be ok for another lynch.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 03 2014 04:00 GMT
#2356
Ok, I've done this before but, assuming I'm dead tomorrow, I wanted to say this right before night ended. GlowBear's listed some reasons for why he thinks Haruhi is scum, and I have some more reasons, but I still think Poof is a better lynch right now to be on the safe side. I'm working with the assumption here that mafia wouldn't vote on themselves during a panic, which is what happened during the Teemursu lynch. Haruhi and Poof are the only ones that voted for me by then, and, since I don't want to lynch Haruhi in case of her claim being real, Poof is a much better lynch right now.

Also, if anybody was jailed last night. DON'T TELL ANYONE YET. If jailer has to claim (and I'm not telling him to do so), then him telling everyone who he jailed and that person confirming it is an extra step in the process in confirming the jailer, well, at least as much as possible anyways. This, assuming he wasn't roleblocked last night either. He better be able to explain every move he's made in the game so far too. Also hope that he didn't jail a mafia and that the mafia would lie to discredit the jailer and get him lynched instead. So take that into account if that happens.

I also think I know who the jailer is at this point. Most I'm going to say is that it's not Poof. Poof replaced Solar 424 in the game at day 2. Templar claimed to be jailed during Night 1. Solar hadn't posted by that point and so I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have jailed anybody during the first night. Templar wouldn't have claimed to be jailed the first night, without actually knowing if there was an actual jailer in the game who may have jailed someone else. Thus, Poof can't be jailer.

Sooo...lynch Poof is my first choice.

If the game continues after that, I'm thinking lynch Haruhi with a lot of filter-diving and research done on her. It seems improbable that with the amount of people playing that we'd only get 1 blue role, that being a jailer, but there are a lot of bad moves that Haruhi has made in this game, such as voting for me over Teemursu (mutliple times), not voting for Templar...at all! Her agreeing with Teemursu previous days against me, her telling jailer to jail her (an incredibly bad move if you are a cop, I honestly thought jailer would know better than to jail you. If she was scum, not only does this let her mafia partner shoot the gun without fear of being jailed, but it also lets her mafia partner shoot someone without fear of THEM being jailed), her day 1 vote analysis made little sense as she only focused on those that switched votes to MysteryMeat being scummy, her lack of defense for meatpudding after she claimed to have investigated him and received town, and there was something I remember happening on day 1, where after Token pushed on somebody (I forget who), Haruhi voted for him for scum-like behavior, and immediately retracted her vote after I pointed out that it was pretty much impossible to figure out scum on day 1 by that point. I read her as town for that because I didn't think a mafia would be so eager to push like that, but now I'm rethinking it.

If someone other than Haruhi turns out to be scum, then that means they messed up their voting on the night Teemursu was lynched, and could have won the game anyways. I had 3 votes against me at the time of the final lynch, and I'm believing that the other 2 people that voted for me in that lynch were scum. I can't see mtamburini continuously pushing for Templar instead of me if he were scum, as I was an easy mislynch at that point. Hobbit could have done the same, but voted for Templar too, Hell, the only reason this game is still going on is because Teemursu didn't come back in time to vote lol.

If mafia really did mess up their votes by accidentally not mislynching me (apart from Teemursu's poor timing) and Haruhi isn't scum, then I'd rather die than play in a game town would have lost. As such, if I'm still alive, those are my two targets in that order, Poof, and Haruhi. Hobbit would come third if I REALLY had to debate lynching Haruhi vs Hobbit. But that would mean Hobbit made a mistake by not voting for me (and voting for Templar instead), which I hope wasn't the case. I think, in a panic, Hobbit wouldn't be more likely to vote for scum if he were scum himself, too.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
July 03 2014 04:00 GMT
#2357
Night 4 has ended. Day post coming in a few minutes.
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
July 03 2014 04:01 GMT
#2358
DAY 5

“We humans are full of unpredictable emotions that logic cannot solve.” – Captain Kirk


[image loading]


July 2, 1920
Dear Diary,

I had that strange dream again. Some sort of darkness, a hole drawing us in. I can almost see it - different names and faces, soft echoes that fade like the memoires of any dream.

Don’t matter much now, though. Boss Kirk is upset. And when he’s upset, we gotta keep our heads down.

[image loading]


Boss is sure there's at least one more rat. He was furious at the boys for taking out The_Templar so quickly –too many deals have gone sour for The_Templar and Teemursu to be the only Space Anomalies feds looking into us.

Problem is, if he don't find the rat, we all may get strung up. Damn, but I still can't get memories of MysteryMeat1 or NydusHerMain out of my head. It ain't right, what we did to them... Anything might set the captain off and I'd end up just like them.

[image loading]

I donno if we should lie low, or see about sortin' this out ourselves. It’s like I was tellin’ Chekov over drinks last night – nobody wants to end up like Epishade. I don't know what they did to the poor bastard, but damn if it didn't look painful.

I think I’ll be dreamin’ tonight with a pistol under my pillow.



Epishade, the Yeoman Crewmember (Vanilla Town) has been killed.



Day 5 has begun. Day 5 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
July 03 2014 04:02 GMT
#2359
I knew it. Gl town.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
July 03 2014 04:04 GMT
#2360
Five players remain:


3. HaruRH
6. Solar424 REPLACED BY Tehpoofter Day 2
7. GlowingBear
9. Hobbitus
12. Scott31337 REPLACED BY mtamburini Day 2

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