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On June 27 2014 23:09 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 10:56 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:44 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 10:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote: Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote. I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled. ##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote: Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote: Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote: im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote: I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote: I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting. For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation. I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote:On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote: [quote] [quote]
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All of this is irrelevant non-content WIFOM.
Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right? On June 26 2014 06:23 Teemursu wrote: I am not accusing both of you as mafia in association nor have my suspicions been conditional on either one of your alignments.
On June 25 2014 20:08 Teemursu wrote:I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him. If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch. I think Nydus actually might be mafia. His read on Epishade is very weak. I asked him to provide examples on Epishade and give reasoning on those examples (yes, in plural). So far the reason Nydus has called him top town is that he's been "objective" and that Epishade posts a wishy washy list of conditional scum/flip logic that doesn't really mean anything. Only because people have pushed on someone, and that person flips as either alignment, doesn't clear or put people who actively pushed that person under suspicion. I just played a video mafia game where a VT pushed a ML on Day 1 and I caught two of the three mafia by looking at how they supported the person who was the most active pusher. Nydus should be a way better player and recognise to that Epishade's contribution today does in fact NOT put him as "top town" for his "objectiveness". This takes me to a second possible mafia, Epishade.[quote] [quote] Firstly, he wants to vote between two people who have gone the hardest against each other (ignoring MM1 vs. Tolkien and Cats). He says he doesn't have a clear preference, then he says he wants to vote on me. He seems to understand I post a lot, he doesn't refer to anything specific that I've posted about. I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.
I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion. though.I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.
Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote: [quote]
"Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open.
(Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH) This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny". IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic. It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc. If you're scum i don't care how little information we get from lynching you. Convince us not to vote for you now, don't just say "Yeah guys i'll start doing stuff after flip...promise" You can start by posting what info, according to you, we would get from your flip and then you can answer this: On June 26 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:55 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 08:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote: yeah, pudding's a townlean I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon. I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote: Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign Why was pudding a townlean for you at the time and what led you to change your mind and think that he might be a good lynch at the end of the day? It was his silence after coming under heavy suspicion So him possibly being away from his computer and not being able to respond to the things being said against him immediately was what led you to disregard your townread of him and seriously consider his lynch? Was there anything else he did at the time that struck you as scummy? Also: On June 26 2014 08:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" I want you to give a more detailed reason than that to jump on the Nydus wagon. Saying what he's doing isn't necessarily scummy but voting for him because it seemed "off" isn't good enough. Jabber your silence after coming under heavy suspicion is incredibly scummy, in fact i think it's enough to sway my vote. ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Phew. Too much confusion. Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Also, I don't see why you scumread Templar when you did the exact same thing. You did not change wagons even after you saw the arguments for a nydus lynch and a epi lynch. Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through. So you can identify that mafia was the people who started and led the mislynches. Give me a list of people who started the mislynches. 1) Why does the mafia start the mislynches? You don't explain this at all, only that the lynches aren't necessarily contradictory. 2) Can't you make your own list? Go ahead and do it, it might help your point better than if GlowingBear (who disagrees with you at this point) did it, so why bother asking for one? It's not terribly difficult or time-consuming either.
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On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind. We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that. What happened? 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding). I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people). If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes. Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill. One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment. I hope this help townies on D3! I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic. PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/ PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me... PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. (1) What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. (2) Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. (3) And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have (4) came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. (5) And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. (6) Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches. (1) Thank you for stating the obvious. (2) So, what I'm reading here is that "townies will play incorrectly but mafia probably won't, so we can catch them because they're playing well." This makes no sense. (3) See point 2. Keep in mind that scum is liable to play incorrectly just like town does. (4) *may have (5) Why were you so worried about being the victim? You hadn't been really on the map, and the kill of Lord Tolkien seems to show that whoever killed him wanted to either pick off possible scum (and you weren't) or aggressive players (again, you weren't). So it was very unlikely that you were going to die. (6) Exactly the opposite of Hobbitus's point on the matter. She said I over-explained and felt a need to clarify and perfect my posts concerning my votes (which is very obvious), while you're saying that I don't want to at all.
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On June 27 2014 23:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:14 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 21:56 The_Templar wrote: Beginning wake-up processes… Nice wagon between you two btw, reading the rest of the posts I'm not starting a wagon, in starting a crusade. I and Hobbitus had similar behaviours. It means nothing, only a slight suggestion we have the same alignment. I invite everyone to read through my last night post and judge if I don't have fair reasoning. so Templar's 'no confrontation' behaviour was scummy, but your 'push Templar with different reasons but tried to link them' behaviour isn't scummy? Didn't understand your question. Are your asking if my push on him is scummy? He asked you to identify the difference and why one is scummy while the other isn't.
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On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote: Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? (1) I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me. (2)
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. (3) That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. (4) I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. (5) (1) Because it's the last thing anyone following the current trend would expect. And you were extremely quiet along with GlowingBear. (2) Sure it doesn't, that's why GlowingBear made sure to hint you two were the same alignment. (3) And you very conveniently chose the exact opposite of the lynched behaviors. (4) That worked out pretty well. You changed your opinion of cats to town right before he died, and look! he's town! (5) It's accurate because a lot of your reasoning for your new methods was based on the fact you had been wrong about everyone…? Am I missing something here?
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On June 27 2014 23:31 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote: Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me.
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. What. So your new method of thinking is accurate because kotc flipped town and your new thiking put him as town? Why? So who are your townreads and scumreads now? He posted his town and scum reads at the end of last night, don't act ignorant.
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On June 27 2014 23:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:09 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:56 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2014 10:44 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 10:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 09:33 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:18 The_Templar wrote:K, wrote a case in about 7 minutes on jabberzerg. Looking at his very thin filter, I now have a very scummy read on him. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote: Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote. I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled. ##Vote: meatpudding This isn't particularly scummy. Not all of us have hours upon hours to post in this thread and he could have been later, and votes aren't permanent. I think his vote on meatpudding was a bit questionable since he seems to have had a town read on him but he was probably following the general trend of the town (I think there were 4 votes at that point, but it could be 3) due to lack of time. That could be a newbie fear of wanting to not look suspicious after being gone for ~6 hours and following town. But, is he really going to play an entire game of mafia without having any time? Please. In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately: On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote: Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign And then when I make a point about MM not posting, he jumps on it and says he's suspecting him more. On June 23 2014 11:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote: Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... Wow interesting. I'd really love to hear a lot from both the meats, but right now the strongest case is MM And then: On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote: im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 HAHA so cliche Day 2: On June 25 2014 12:41 jabberwockzerg wrote: I am not a girl Really? The day is half over and you feel the need to make that your first post of the day? He continues to be as neutral as possible until he can latch onto an opinion. On June 25 2014 13:00 jabberwockzerg wrote: I think Nydus's GB vote is interesting. For me it just boils down to whether or not we believe his pressure explanation. I'm not sure I do, but maybe some video mafia players can explain if that sort of play is common over there. "I don't know, but someone who does stuff that I've never done will figure it out for me". On June 25 2014 13:48 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 25 2014 13:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Teemursu, could you lay out your case against meatpudding in full without quoting posts where you've already explained why you're voting for him? As far as i can tell your case against him is mostly based around you not liking his OMGUS of you (although the point you raised about him townreading me and scumreading Haru for basically doing the same thing is interesting) and i really need to hear the case put forward in a different way so i can better understand it. I'd love to see this as well On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point. On June 26 2014 09:09 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 09:06 Epishade wrote:@Cats, My recent interactions with him, and his replies to me where he dismisses everything I say as wifom is one thing. I replied back here. On June 26 2014 06:48 Epishade wrote: [quote] Are you serious? You actually think all of the townreading that Nydus has been doing to me is irrelevant and wifom? Why even bother thinking about anything in this game then, since surely if thinking about how logical plays work and how you would expect others to act is wifom, then everything else is then, right? We should just not even bother trying to read people, since everything everyone says and does is wifom, right?
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[quote] I took this to mean you were connecting me as potential mafia scum with Nydus, as you said this takes me, referring to your previous argument about Nydus and his views about me. I thought you were drawing a connection between us two as scum by doing that, which is why I assumed you thought we both were scum. Teemursu was on Token's scumlist, which is my personal opinion as a contributing factor to why Token died. I think Teemursu's being incredibly nitpicky against meatpudding too, trying to scumread him for trivial details in meatpudding's posts. That to me is a little scummy. On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote: [quote]
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list? Just what is this supposed to mean, anyways? You think him not finding something alignment indicative (him saying he can't find Cats or Token scum based on something) means he's hiding something? It's not just against meatpudding though. Here Teemursu agrees with Poof that because I didn't have hard reads on people and labeled them as "townlean" instead of town that that somehow makes me scummy... On June 25 2014 07:28 Teemursu wrote: [quote]
This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny".
IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic.
It's Teemursu's incredible nitpickyness that I find to be a trait of scum. I will say that my early read on Teemursu was based on some of his word choice, too though. So call me a hypocrite if you must or feel free to point out the contradiction. That's just how I feel. Ok, you know what. I'm just sick of writing so much and reading through filters. I have no idea how accurate my reads are and it sucks to know that all this could very likely end up untrue, which I'm sure it might be. Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now. ##Vote: JabberZergBuahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd still not a girl Is that really important? How about you focus on the issue? ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzergOut of time but after this next WCS series I'll write something up on Epishade, who's acting sort of strangely, and Nydus, who is… improving a bit maybe? Not sure… I've been noncommittal and shitty and lurky Can't seem to focus on this game as much as I should be. wouldn't fault anyone for voting me BUT there is so little information to be gained from my flip that it will be more useful to leave me kicking around for at least another day and see what happens from there I'll try harder, stop daydrinking, etc. If you're scum i don't care how little information we get from lynching you. Convince us not to vote for you now, don't just say "Yeah guys i'll start doing stuff after flip...promise" You can start by posting what info, according to you, we would get from your flip and then you can answer this: On June 26 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:55 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 26 2014 08:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote: yeah, pudding's a townlean I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon. I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. On June 23 2014 10:53 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 10:48 meatpudding wrote: Back. I'e reading the thread now. If you're voting Mystery or me, then I don't really have a choice anyway. But I'll flesh out my reads anyway. I'm very interested in what you have to say, I'm undecided about which meat to vote for, and you posting at all is a good sign Why was pudding a townlean for you at the time and what led you to change your mind and think that he might be a good lynch at the end of the day? It was his silence after coming under heavy suspicion So him possibly being away from his computer and not being able to respond to the things being said against him immediately was what led you to disregard your townread of him and seriously consider his lynch? Was there anything else he did at the time that struck you as scummy? Also: On June 26 2014 08:43 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 26 2014 08:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:I'm liking this Nydus vote. His random pressure vote just seems a little off to me Not that pressure votes are scummy, but it's better to be clear with the town that that is what your doing, and On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia "isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia" I want you to give a more detailed reason than that to jump on the Nydus wagon. Saying what he's doing isn't necessarily scummy but voting for him because it seemed "off" isn't good enough. Jabber your silence after coming under heavy suspicion is incredibly scummy, in fact i think it's enough to sway my vote. ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Phew. Too much confusion. Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Jabberwockzerg Also, I don't see why you scumread Templar when you did the exact same thing. You did not change wagons even after you saw the arguments for a nydus lynch and a epi lynch. On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: 4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory. Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary. If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches. To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
Nope. Was kotc contradictory? Was nydus contradictory? (If yes, in what sense?) The only contradictory lynch that could have happened d2 was epi's lynch. but it did not follow through. So you can identify that mafia was the people who started and led the mislynches. Give me a list of people who started the mislynches. I've said they don't compromise themselves, they follow the mislynches. I'm not saying that mafia is starting those mislynches, I'm saying the mafia is identifying these mislynches and are following them.I'll expand what I wrote at the end of N1 as soon as I get to my pc so I can clarify it better Ironically, this is exactly what you've done up until now.
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On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote: Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter teemu templar glowingbear hobbitus mtam meatpudding epishade
1) I think it's a bit odd. I'm not going to go OMGUS but the more I read it, the more they seem they're both going after me at different but very similar angles and trying to look like they're both town that have arrived at the same, obvious, conclusion.
2)
I'm not going to jump to conclusions yet, because I want to see the reaction to my questions and my reads are pretty weak at this point, but: The_Templar Tehpoofter Epishade Haru Hobbitus Teemu GlowingBear mtamburini Meatpudding
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Going out for a walk, I'll be back for an hour or so before office hours.
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On June 29 2014 07:03 Hobbitus wrote: Fuck it, if Templar is town I'll never forgive myself
##vote: HaruRH How dramatic.
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On June 29 2014 07:20 GlowingBear wrote: More: it is strange that tehpoofter and mtamburini are so quiet. Are they trying to avoid attention? poofter is in a different game and mtam, don't know. I have lost quite a bit of interest in this game over the past 24 hours.
On June 29 2014 07:44 Hobbitus wrote: I am at work, posted on my break. Can't really post anything longer rn, maybe if I'm not dead tmrw. Trying to decide whether to vote Haru or Templar argh. Will be back a few minutes before eod I guess What do you think of Epishade and meatpudding?
I'm currently down to a vote between those two. I don't feel particularly good about GlowingBear, Haru, and Hobbitus right now until I have a lot more information and they are actually trying to get something moving even with half the players AFK/doing nothing.
I still like some of Epishade's points, but not this one:
On June 29 2014 07:32 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 07:18 HaruRH wrote: I don't have time to post anymore. It's 6am here. I will definitely miss the flip so i'm leaving my vote with epi for today. Let's talk properly and consolidate our scumreads on n3.
##Unvote ##Vote: Epishade There's not going to be a night 3 if it's lylo and you vote me. I like how you assume that there is going to be a night 3 if I get lynched, almost as if you were so sure I were scum, but you really knew I wasn't! That sounds like the kind of thing scum would say to appear townie when they knew there actually wouldn't be a night 3. ##Unvote ##Vote: HaruRH He doesn't have time so he's leaving his vote on what he believes is a likely mafia candidate. How is that a huge scum read?
On June 29 2014 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:I don't see it as suddenly, Haru. Check this post of him, during night time: Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:50 Hobbitus wrote:So he originally voted on mp with a scum read on him, and a "slight town" read on MM. Then, after MM was being weird MM: On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote: Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... I don't like this. MM defending or not defending himself doesn't mean anything, neither mafia nor town want to be lynched. And yet that's somehow enough to get him to change his vote to MM. And the bit about Scott... I dunno, that sounds like a very contrived argument to me. MM said scott should keep fighting to the end so town would win, not that fighting to the end MADE scott town, I thought that was fairly obvious. On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat. This is the kind of non confrontational thing I'm talking about. At this point in the day, it was unclear which meat was going to get lynched, so if templar were scum he wouldn't want to piss off either of them and risk a case on him D2. Read his filter, he then goes through an awkward series of editing posts trying to reconcile his town read on MM with voting him On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote: Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up). edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now. So this is all a bit weird, and as soon as I say something to him about it, HE CHANGES HIS VOTE BACK TO MM. Read the entire quote below: On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King: As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King: As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar: Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile jabber glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd) pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list. He's so pliant. It just seems super scummy to me. It also makes me think that both meats are actually town, and either wagon would have resulted in a mislynch D1. He actually put more effort than me while quoting. I guess after we found out we had such similar opinion, we started being more aggressive towards Templar. (1)You are right, Haru. I would like you to notice that Hobbitus also have a scumread on epi. I also have it. (2) You also. It may not be our strongest reads, but it is where we agree. Considering we have probably 4 mafia, we should stick where we agree and catch at least 1 mafia and use our time better to make stronger cases and evaluate our next target. I think it's safer if we vote in agreed scumreads. We should make a stronger case on epi, btw. That said, changing votes for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Epishade (1) You immediately abandoned the attack on me as soon as I started defending myself. I'm not sure how to read this. (2) I'm going to agree with a point Hobbitus made earlier. I don't think mafia would make such an obvious play. So unless I'm being incredibly mind-gamed (not likely), I'm reading you both as town, so I'll help pressure epishade into doing something.
##Vote: Epishade
I'd like to also add this is more a pressure vote than a suspect vote. Epishade has been doing some weird stuff recently, but so has a lot of town (yeah yeah I'm agreeing with hobbitus again). However, I don't think that this guarantees he is town, and I want to see how he responds (besides by pushing very insignificant points on a potential lylo on day 3) before the day is over. I'm also voting now in case I forget to vote.
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On June 29 2014 08:04 GlowingBear wrote: Lol XD Maybe doing what you think is right and not caring lol.
By lurking I wanted to say "not voting". At least 2 of the lurkers already made their stance. Waiting EoD to vote is SO SCUMMY. I was gone a lot longer than I thought I would be this afternoon. And it's not quite EOD yet, which is why I'm voting now.
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On June 29 2014 08:14 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:54 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337 Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRHTheKingOfTheCats (0): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_TemplarHaruRH (0): meatpuddingjabberwockzerg (0): HobbitusMysteryMeat1 (8): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpudding Not voting (2): Solar424, BlondeMocha Currently, MysteryMeat1 is set to be lynched with 8 votes. As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 1 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). Looking at the day1 ML I strongly believe there is mafia between Epi Hobbitus Templar and meatpudding Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, EpishadeEpishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, HobbitusHaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg NydusHerMain was lynched with 3 votes. With the spread out votes on DAY 2 I dont think mafia would vote on eachother and would spread amoung town. Therefore I would lynch between Temp and meatpudding 100% today and no one else. Not sure what the most updated VC is but these are our best lynches today. Also I think Teemu is super town for pulling off nydus and voting ephisade who could be mafia, but I think he is someone to look into another day. If were in the world that there are 3 in this game Im sure well hit at least 1 in between these 2. ##VOTE:: Templar Would you like to explain why I'm more likely to be mafia than meatpudding?
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Sorry guys, I was really tired last night and I slept like 12-13 hours >.> Woke up, skimmed thread before office hours. So, everyone started drinking the crazy juice and flip-flopped a ton before lynching teemu (?) who turned out to be scum (!)?
Some weird shit going on. Particularly interesting things were that Hobbitus put her vote back on me and Epishade voted Teemu 3! times (not sure what to make of it though, since teemu was scum)
Those are not the people I would have expected to lynch scum though, particularly meatpudding.
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Actually, I just realized that I have no office hours today, it's sunday not monday
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On June 29 2014 12:48 mtamburini wrote: WTF TEEMU IS TOWN HE PULLED OFF OF NYDUS TO GO ONTO SOMEONE ELSE
##VOTE TEMPLAR This is my favorite post so far, reading back.
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On June 29 2014 12:59 Hobbitus wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: The_Templar
jeez
On June 29 2014 13:00 mtamburini wrote:
Finally someone with a brain
The hell is this?
On June 29 2014 13:39 Hobbitus wrote: Hate to spoil it for you epi but I'm VT lol "Haha, you were wrong! I'm actually town, not scum!"
On June 29 2014 13:43 meatpudding wrote: Banks and mtam were acting really scummy, but why push on Templar? Haven't you heard? Pushing me is the new town meta.
Teemu started posting emotional crap in response to hobbitus but just random stuff in response to everyone else. Sort of strange.
On June 29 2014 13:45 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 29 2014 13:41 Teemursu wrote:On June 29 2014 13:39 Hobbitus wrote: Hate to spoil it for you epi but I'm VT lol gl ;-; I don't even want to play anymore, this is awful. Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down I'm just gonna ride or die, with you.
On June 29 2014 14:11 GlowingBear wrote: I'm glad that I was right that you were blue, tho. I should stick to my reads with more confidence. Which read? The one where you read me as scum, the one where you started pushing Epishade and then switched, the mtam scum read, the one where you read haru as scum (before he revealed), or one of the two teemu reads? I think it's perfectly fine for you to be not confident about your reads. Please do that. But switching 5 times between 5 different people in the last few hours with little explanation is really weird.
On June 29 2014 14:29 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 14:25 Hobbitus wrote: So if it comes down to claiming cop or letting someone with a green check get lynched during potential lylo, the latter is preferable? I must be missing something Not even claiming cop, hinting cop I dunno, I think I'm done for the night. Just going to wait for the flip Hobbitus, seriously, MP was not close to dying at the EOD. At any point. So there was no reason for Haru to claim cop immediately other than to save himself.
On June 29 2014 14:38 GlowingBear wrote: I like how tambourine says Templar is scum for no particular reason I happen to not like it but you can be ok with it :p
On June 29 2014 14:47 Teemursu wrote:(Ooh, give you up) (Ooh, give you up) …did I just get rickrolled?
On June 29 2014 14:56 Tehpoofter wrote: We got em!!!! LOL? Do you think we've really got the mafia?
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AND it seems that my theory of having scum as top townies wasn't really wrong after all
Yeah. This draws us to some questions about Tehpoofter though, who, after reading and catching up on everything, unfailingly saw Teemu as town.
On June 26 2014 12:04 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote: I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Teemu won't die unless someone says they have a red check on him and even then I probably wouldn't believe it. Teemu is town in my eyes.
On June 29 2014 15:28 Tehpoofter wrote: So we need to do things tonight. 1) vote analysis of eod. 2) Haru needs to give full unbiased reads. 3) everyone needs to look at eod on all three days the last was the best by far info wise.
Teemu was afk on meat right?
The last EOD consisted of half-assed random votes (partially including you, poofter)
On June 29 2014 12:59 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 12:58 HaruRH wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: epishade
I'm just sheeping poofter now. That's a terrible idea I know nothing but fuck it!!
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On June 30 2014 13:07 Hobbitus wrote: Surprise: ##Vote: HaruRH If you think this is a surprise you could explain it.
On June 30 2014 13:10 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 13:07 Epishade wrote: Curious why Hobbit thinks Poof is town, as I think he's scum, but I'll worry about that later. I stayed up mainly to see who would die.
##Vote: The_Templar
I don't have a super strong read on him, just generally feels town. Willing to look at him more D4 Surely, at this point, you've actually paid attention to what he's said at some point. Can't you draw from that? Saying he's feeling town is something you do on day 1 or day 2, not day 4.
On June 30 2014 13:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 13:26 GlowingBear wrote: It would be better if you were dead. You're not a confirmed town as meatpudding was and you are no more than a vanilla since you can't check. Killing meatpudding was so more predictable than killing you. I don't believe jailer hasn't put though on that.
I'll wait and see if someone is claiming.
Before that, what do you think of the Templar and Hobbitus right now? You're going to tell me that there isnt a single blue role in a game of 15 people. Killing mp and me was another gamble. Prisoner's dilemma. Hobbitus? I have never seen someone as tunneled as him. Every fking thing I do is scum. Every. I refuse to even care about him anymore. (1) I should have checked him on d2 instead of mp. Templar? He is quite lurky, posts thoughts about things he missed but never posted reads. (2) At least he posted stuff, unlike mtam and poofter, who coasted through n3 without a single post. Hobbit, get the fuck off me now. I am seriously irritated and annoyed with your tunnelling. I am not the only possible scum. Who do you think are the others and why. (1) Don't even think about not paying attention to him. Even though he's tunneling you so much, you have to show him you're not scum or, if you think he's scum, show the rest of us why.
(2) I've posted my reads every day. Maybe you missed the last one during day 3, check my filter.
On June 30 2014 13:43 GlowingBear wrote: And what do you think of what I've brought from Teemu? I'd also would like to hear from Hobbitus and Epi as well. Also, from these two, what they think of the possibility of not existing a jail keeper as I said before There is definitely a jailor. I've been hearing a lot from Hobbitus and Epishade, almost too much. I know their opinions at this point. I want to hear from poofter, who shows up at EOD and steers the town into chaos, and Mtam, who's been very violent ever since he came in during day 2 EOD.
On June 30 2014 14:02 Epishade wrote: GlowBear, what do you mean what you've brought from Teemu? You mean that you voted for him?
I considered you and meatpudding top town before he was shot, since you voted for Teemursu, which you wouldn't have done if you weren't scum. Haruhi and Poof voted for me, but since I think Haruhi is likely a cop, I'm more suspicious of Poof voting for me, as well as Templar. Don't know who a possible 4th mafia would be at this point, if there is one.
As far as no jailkeeper existing, I do think that there is a jailkeeper in this game. I'd expect AT LEAST 2 blue roles for 12 people. I think that's what we got, a jailer and a cop. Mafia has the roleblocker I'd guess. This makes a lot of sense. Everyone who voted teemu is pretty confirmed to be town (although I wouldn't take this as an absolute given). I voted for you intending to pressure and fell asleep. Sorry T_T
On June 30 2014 14:06 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 13:47 HaruRH wrote:On June 30 2014 12:58 Hobbitus wrote: This game is exhausting. Not much to say tonight except mp would be a good night kill if Haru was scum. Also asking to be jailed = no check tonight, easier to continue fake claim.
Seriously, does no one else see the major problems with his claim?
Updated Reads
HaruRH-scum Tehpoofter-town GlowingBear-town easily influenced, be careful Meatpudding-town Epishade-town (based on vote analysis) mtamburini-town The_Templar-scum What makes you so sure that hobbit did not kill mp today so that he could incriminate me further? Hobbit had the opportunity to lynch me over Teemursu, but voted for Templar instead. Pretty sure he's not scum. Voted for me even though he had already said he really didn't want to kill me? And he voted Haru even though he claimed Cop? Wouldn't it have been less scumlike to vote for Teemu?
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You very elegantly connected me and Haru, Hobbitus. It's amazing how you managed to pull off claiming that we were defending each other the whole game when I didn't require any defense until you attacked me, and even then, Haru only used that to push you instead of defending me. For some reason, you are both tunneling each other incessantly.
Now, if I'm reading this game correctly, mafia is pretty much sitting back and making sure they keep control of the EOD cycles. Who are these people, you may ask? Why, obviously Teemu (he's flipped), Tehpoofter, and mtam. I'm not sure I buy that the latter two are both mafia, but I'm positive at least one of them are, and their behaviors are extremely similar (except for mtam being very aggressive towards Haru).
I don't want to play with mtam if it reaches the end of game, so I'll vote him.
##Vote: mtamburini
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On July 01 2014 23:35 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 22:58 The_Templar wrote: You very elegantly connected me and Haru, Hobbitus. It's amazing how you managed to pull off claiming that we were defending each other the whole game when I didn't require any defense until you attacked me, and even then, Haru only used that to push you instead of defending me. For some reason, you are both tunneling each other incessantly.
Now, if I'm reading this game correctly, mafia is pretty much sitting back and making sure they keep control of the EOD cycles. Who are these people, you may ask? Why, obviously Teemu (he's flipped), Tehpoofter, and mtam. I'm not sure I buy that the latter two are both mafia, but I'm positive at least one of them are, and their behaviors are extremely similar (except for mtam being very aggressive towards Haru).
I don't want to play with mtam if it reaches the end of game, so I'll vote him.
##Vote: mtamburini Haru is basically trying to discredit me, but won't commit to pushing me as scum because there is no good case to be made on me. Give me an argument on mtam other than "he's annoying." …Read my post again. I gave two arguments that were at least partially directed against mtam that weren't "he's annoying"
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