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Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 02 2014 14:07 GMT

#2328

On July 02 2014 21:10 GlowingBear wrote:

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You know, there is a guy named GlowingBear and specially a girl named Hobbitus who made their cases on Templar.

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 02 2014 16:04 GMT

#2329

Alright, hopefully the last time I have to do this:

My case on Haru: (leaving out a bunch of stuff that I find scummy but might not if I didn't already suspect him)

Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town.

Looks like you know me more than you do. It IS a bad lynch. I will lynch you for a stupid reason tomorrow and see if you like it. It's not a threat, it is what I will do. Sorry, even if you're not scum, you have given me the worst impression ever of everyone here. Loud, obnoxious, and really bad votes. Unless you're the vigi and you shoot me, I will continue to vote you out of the game.

-goes crazy on tolkien for targeting someone being bad town, then votes on mtam for being bad town

-claimed being roleblocked (by mafia) N1. There may or may not be a jailer, but I'm almost positive there is no roleblocker because no one claimed being roleblocked N2 or (probably) N3 (Haru said he could have been jailed AND roleblocked). Also there would be no counterclaim for this, obviously. No mafia roleblocker would be like, "but haru, I didn't block you!" And if there isn't a mafia roleblocker, nothing would happen either. Not sure what the purpose of this claim was, other than as a pre-emptive defense if he had to claim cop/a way to look like a mafia target to gain town cred.

-That cop claim. I mean really, guys. If he read mp as town N2, WHY WAS MP STILL IN HIS SCUMREADS? I can understand not flipping on him completely and putting him as top town, but the whole point of being cop is to push town in the right direction. Even listing him as fence with a minimal explanation would be fine. If I flipped entirely on Templar and Haru and only drew minimal suspicion on myself (and no one started calling me cop lol), he could have started to change his opinion on mp gradually, especially since he was still a lynch target. Not the most popular one at the time, but with the stupidity of the chaotic D3 vote, anything could have happened. Also, since Haru came up with 4000 different explanations for why Tolkien was killed N1 (and then called Epi scum for not seeing all of them), I find it hard to believe that he would overlook the possibility of mp being godfather. That would be the only explanation for him getting a green check on mp and still listing him as scum. But since I pressured him about that earlier and he didn't mention it, obviously he didn't consider it.

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 02 2014 16:10 GMT

#2330

Sorry if it's beating a dead horse at this point, but I really don't see anyone else being scum.

No one else has a coherent case. If they do, plz explain it to me.

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 02 2014 16:46 GMT

#2334

On July 03 2014 01:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I can work a case on Haru, poof, Epishade and mtamburini using my main post as the source of my interpretations. The problem is deciding what is the better case right now. You bring very good points concerning Haru, but his arguments (besides refusing answering you) also makes sense. The problem is: is he lying or is he desperately trying to save town doing these stuffs?

Don't you think having a cop, a jailer and a vigilante is too much? If you think a jailer and a cop is enough, then you've got another argument against Haru because he considered so bad the possibility of a vigilante right now.

Alright. If we have a jailer, please put a lot of thought when deciding who to jail. Read some posts and try to think what mafia would do when (1) having privileged information and (2) knowing what townies are thinking of themselves.

I would also ask you to consider trying to jail scum, as we might have just one left. If you manage to jail the killer, no kill will happen and we will be able to lynch mafia with precision

Yeah, I think cop/jailer/roleblocker/vig left is a little ridiculous lol. I honestly think there is only a jailer, or no blue roles at all.

Hobbitus

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July 02 2014 16:49 GMT

#2335

On July 03 2014 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
EBWOP: ...but I'm almost sure i won't be able...

I posted so early because I have to go to work all day, and I have no idea who is going to be nightkilled tonight. I would stress participation this phase so everyone has more information to work with tomorrow, no matter who gets killed.

Post whatever you can, preferably new information, and that'll have to do.

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 03 2014 04:08 GMT

#2361

Epi nooo

Hobbitus

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July 03 2014 21:08 GMT

#2371

For the record, I have been neither roleblocked nor jailed. And I'm not rber or jailer :p

Hobbitus

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July 03 2014 21:24 GMT

#2375

On July 04 2014 06:21 mtamburini wrote:

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Confirmed that your are not a role, so youre mafia then?

Yes tam, I'm super mafia -_- no, I'm VT

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 03 2014 21:26 GMT

#2376

I think Templar said he was jailed n1 after Haru said he was roleblocked

Hobbitus

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July 04 2014 01:26 GMT

#2380

Kind of. What do you think of epi's case on poof?

Hobbitus

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July 04 2014 01:41 GMT

#2381

On June 24 2014 17:01 HaruRH wrote:
I got roleblocked last night. Probably because of this.

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And no, haru is no woman. Haruhi is a girl in the anime, haruhi suzumiya. Thus epishade is going she she she.

I'll reply to all questions as soon as possible.

On June 25 2014 00:08 The_Templar wrote:
I was jailed last night.

Epishade's post seems to be coming under fire for ignoring some other possibilities that would require a very deceptive mafia.

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On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:

On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.

The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.

There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.

His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats

His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)

Fence reads:
Nydus

Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples

So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.

He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.

Night all.

Your post strike me as odd.
It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible.

Possible scenarios are:

1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this.
2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me.
3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads
4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much)

As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you.

I was going to reply something similar to this in response to Epishade's post. We can't assume that the mafia is trying to cover their tracks, as that doesn't cover half the possibilities.

1) If it's too simple, do you think 2 or 3 of JabberZerg, meatpudding, Teemursu, Cats are mafia? And where would you begin with that list?
2) This is, indeed, more likely, but again that doesn't lead us anywhere, except we can assume only one of those four, at most, are mafia. So if we lynch meatpudding and he flips red then it will be likely those other 3 are town.
3) I don't understand this one, can you clarify further?
4) Very unlikely, considering this is a newbie game.
It's also possible that I was targeted by the mafia and Tolkien was killed by a vigilante. But that's somewhat unlikely as well.

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On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien.

Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit.
If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely.

The bolded part is extremely good. A lot of people on that scum list were scummy to a lot of people, and would want to keep tolkien around to make sure he would get attention from his somewhat aggressive MM lynch (I thought this made him more townish to me at the end), which was scummy to a lot of people. So they have no reason to bother killing him.

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I thought I said at the beginning that video mafia went pretty quickly and making reads this early was normal there.

I'm still tired and will be reading more into these things later, but I am applying for a job this afternoon and won't have a ton of time like I usually do.

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 04 2014 02:32 GMT

#2386

On July 04 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote:

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Very likely. 5 people left. 2 VT, 1 jailer, 1 cop, 1 mafia? Nah.

Well technically 1 rb, 1 jailer, 1 cop, and either 1vt/1 mafia or 2 mafia lol

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 04 2014 02:37 GMT

#2387

So in order for Haru to not have lied at some point, I must be the only VT.

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 04 2014 02:57 GMT

#2390

Ohh I forgot rb could be either alignment. And didn't realize jailer could be too, just assumed bc it's Scotty.

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 04 2014 02:59 GMT

#2391

Bear, are you claiming vt as well?

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 04 2014 03:26 GMT

#2397

Okay so self-claimed:
Hobbitus-vt
Bear-vt
Poof-vt
Haru-cop

Tam?

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 04 2014 09:05 GMT

#2405

##Vote: HaruRH Yeah, out of all our claims I'm going to say only one person is lying (assuming one mafia), and no matter who it is, Haru's world doesn't make sense.

Hobbitus

222 Posts

July 05 2014 15:51 GMT

#2473

GG. Shout out to the scum team, you guys pretty much had the game except for a little bad luck. Also, Meatpudding should get some kind of award for hanging tough in the face of adversity.

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