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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 17:56 GMT
#265
and cav's play so far has been pretty bad
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 17:58 GMT
#266
On May 14 2014 02:43 kushm4sta wrote:
you know that guy who you think is possible scum because he keeps pushign stupid shit for no reason?
but you dont want to read his filter because it's so boring. hf is that guy.


you are the one who is ALWAYS interested in finding smurfs so this reaction is really really really super odd, you just lost to me as a smurf who said "I was new to the site" and so there must be something in your mind that strikes alarm bells from previous experiences and when there is ACTUAL evidence that the guy is a smurf in the thread you don't think it's best to figure out if he's a liar or not? This is your reaction????
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 18:01 GMT
#269
well i'm confirmed town now at least
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 18:03 GMT
#270
ok im not confirmed town now at least
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 18:03 GMT
#271
but i am town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 18:14 GMT
#273
On May 14 2014 03:06 Cavalinho wrote:
HF's play this game is super good.


so, you complain about getting lynched with like 40 hours to go but have no input into the game whatsoever, why is that? Normally you just say "oh i get mislynched a lot" and carry on scum hunting but here you've done none of that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 18:41 GMT
#277
On May 14 2014 03:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
On May 14 2014 02:43 kushm4sta wrote:
you know that guy who you think is possible scum because he keeps pushign stupid shit for no reason?
but you dont want to read his filter because it's so boring. hf is that guy.


you are the one who is ALWAYS interested in finding smurfs so this reaction is really really really super odd, you just lost to me as a smurf who said "I was new to the site" and so there must be something in your mind that strikes alarm bells from previous experiences and when there is ACTUAL evidence that the guy is a smurf in the thread you don't think it's best to figure out if he's a liar or not? This is your reaction????


i figured out smurf hunting is uesless is what i figured out. if you don't know someone's meta, dont pretend to konw their meta.


everytime i've seen you in a game with a smurf i've seen you try and figure it out and make reads from it so yes it's a meta from my own experience, if you've chosen to change that this game it doesn't suddenly stop being your meta does it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 21:19 GMT
#281
Vivax: needs to post


Thrawn: scummy,hasn't contributed a damn thing. again is this normal behavior for him? because if not i could easily lynch him


what's different? one doesn't care about anything but said he'd be afk for 24 hours and one you don't know anything about at all

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 21:28 GMT
#284
he's said he's going to afk for 24 hours? so i don't see a problem
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 21:30 GMT
#286
On May 14 2014 06:28 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
and of that list i'm gona stick with cav, all the rest could just be bad town but he's just playing pretty scummy however you look at it


I'm going to hold you to this because there's absolutely 0 backing out of it for you now. I say this because he is actually mafia. There's no way he town reads me so quickly after just getting rolled when he was town and I was mafia.


##unvote
##vote Cavalinho
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 13 2014 22:47 GMT
#295
On May 14 2014 07:15 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 23:57 Holyflare wrote:
On May 13 2014 12:17 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On May 13 2014 12:00 Holyflare wrote:
was so bored i even started googling hay fever in the usa, it's not really that prominent at this time of year and if it is it's somewhere in the north usa like new york etc

but why would hay fever make him come back tomorrow? it's pretttyyyy early in the day to go away so i was thinking probs a euro mofo


It's 11 PM East coast time. That literally fits perfectly into the scenario you're either trying to figure out or ignore.

##Vote: Holyflare

God this is like shooting fish in a barrel.


ok now i know this is serious explain a few things to me:

how does his location and time he's sleeping fit into anything scummy?
if you read the posts around it why doesn't it just look simply like someone trying to discover someones identity but rather, something scummy?


Because you're either smurf hunting which is inherently anti-town because you're not trying to deduce alignments, you're trying to figure out who someone is (who you're probably then going to try and meta, and be wrong about it but I digress), or you truly think that his disappearance and hay fever are false or trying to paint them as scummy while ignoring the two facts that would actually justify both things he said.

BUUUUUUUT a lot of junk has happened since then and now and this is much better:

##Vote: Cavalinho

Dude has done not a damn thing but be on the defensive the entire game. Kill it. With fire, preferably.



This post states a lot of anti-me stuff and not a lot of anti-cav, the person you want to lynch, stuff. Are you happy with the fact he's so defensive that you're so sure to vote him? I'm doing it based on meta and reasons but yours is utterly based on being defensive without questioning him whatsoever.


Also, why would I write something that is so obviously false (hay fever thing) and obvious to people that live in America if i didn't do the looking up to make sure it was correct beforehand? Does a scummy person lie about something like hay fever which a lot of people know about? Are people going to blindly agree with me or what? Why is it scummy? Your point about anti-town smurf hunting is so utterly wrong though. Meta = reads = alignments. Whether you think so or not.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 14 2014 00:33 GMT
#296
god you guys much afk
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 14 2014 17:10 GMT
#360
On May 14 2014 17:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
holyflare next time you're in here you need to try and convince me of your cav read


why do I have to convince you? do you think i'm town or something????


my read on cav is that in the past (two or three?) games or whatever that i've played with him he's stated that he gets mislynched day 1 a lot and then got straight into scum hunting. This game he spent the entire start of the game complaining that he was going to get lynched but not drawing conclusions from it like i assumed he would have if he was town

"i am town and these people are pushing a mislynch they must be pushing an agenda" should have been his thought process as town. Not to mention blueyd or w/e's reason for voting cav was because he scum claimed which was the same as my initial reason and he thought that was a joke so really no pressure should have been on him at all really

then there's the fact that he had no reads apart from me being town which after last game i would never ever ever expect so quickly from him, he gave reasons for it but those reasons didn't make sense because half of his reasoning was from something i did at lylo and this was the very very very start of day 1, the rest of his reasons were because i was joking around and buddying which is what i do in pretty much most of my games
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 14 2014 17:30 GMT
#368
On May 15 2014 02:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
On May 14 2014 17:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
holyflare next time you're in here you need to try and convince me of your cav read


why do I have to convince you? do you think i'm town or something????


my read on cav is that in the past (two or three?) games or whatever that i've played with him he's stated that he gets mislynched day 1 a lot and then got straight into scum hunting. This game he spent the entire start of the game complaining that he was going to get lynched but not drawing conclusions from it like i assumed he would have if he was town

"i am town and these people are pushing a mislynch they must be pushing an agenda" should have been his thought process as town. Not to mention blueyd or w/e's reason for voting cav was because he scum claimed which was the same as my initial reason and he thought that was a joke so really no pressure should have been on him at all really

then there's the fact that he had no reads apart from me being town which after last game i would never ever ever expect so quickly from him, he gave reasons for it but those reasons didn't make sense because half of his reasoning was from something i did at lylo and this was the very very very start of day 1, the rest of his reasons were because i was joking around and buddying which is what i do in pretty much most of my games


the thing about cav is that he will continue to wallow in self pity about being lynched for however long he's in the spotlight. last game nobody gave a fuck about him for most of D1, in fact most people town read him. so that allowed him to scumhunt. but now he's been in the spolight all game so he's been defensive for most of the game. i';ve never seen him not get defensive about being lynched D1 so it does not worry me when he gets defensive about it, no matter long he continues to be so defensive.

saying he has no reads is absolutely false and you need to reevaluate that part of your read.


no, in glory he was under the same pressure but he defended himself but also pointed out inconsistencies. This game at the start he shouldn't have been under pressure because one of the votes was a joke vote but his only read was me! he then came out with logic for more reads based on a lot of information he had when he said he had no reads


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 14 2014 18:48 GMT
#388
judge's posts were before you said:

On May 14 2014 03:22 Cavalinho wrote:
"Normally" as in that one game that one time. Yes, that is a most accurate meta read.

Also, almost nobody has done anything alignment indicative yet. I think you're town this game (again, because it just went so well the first time) because of your approach/desire to solve the game, and because you lack the same interest in making friends that you have when you're scum.

But that's the only thing thus far that I can comment on. I don't feel like anything else said so far has been alignment indicative. For anyone.


that's what i'm saying, all your reads come from before the time you said nobody had done anything alignment indicative which means that you weren't properly reading which i don't expect town to do or you just tried to pick something scummy out at a later time, which i also don't expect you to do as town. Your meta read on me is iffy, it's what scum are usually guilty of (having too perfect a meta read) and making it like it's a proper read. I don't think you as town would come to the conclusion of my alignment at all after last game so readily and still be seemingly so sure about it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 14 2014 18:51 GMT
#389
well ok one of his posts was before that but his play was super iffy at that time and you didn't mention it at all
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 14 2014 18:52 GMT
#390
well really it's just the meta thing in that case, it's super weird and i wouldn't expect that from anyone so early
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 14 2014 18:53 GMT
#391
i also checked a few of judge's games here and they are super lurky as town so i don't expect that to have changed really
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 14 2014 18:53 GMT
#392
although that was 2009 so i would have assumed he's got less lurky since then
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 14 2014 18:57 GMT
#395
On May 14 2014 09:56 Vivax wrote:
I agree on Cav being scummy. He calls HF's arguments shit and later says he's supertown. Last game he called me scum for arguments he perceived as shit, plus the moment he goes serious with his question to fuba is around the moment HF puts pressure on him.

What happened last game, as he wanted to bring up, is: I thought he scummy, disagreed, thought I scummy, lynched me.

Which is not what is happening in this one cause he's behaving differently. He could as well have said of me I was trying to figure stuff out in the last game. Overall I feel his townread on HF is unwarranted given that his initial arguments weren't good in my opinion (Cav scum for claiming scum, not even sure if it was serious).

The other two guys I'm interested in are fuba and kush cause both used "too scummy to be scum"-arguments and I'd like them to spell out what they find so scummy that it's too scummy to be scum about HF and kush, respectively,

Fuba said he would reconsider HF if he didn't bring up new arguments for Cav which is what he did so I'll be waiting on that.

Taking the subject to thrawn I'm interested into hearing from kush why he felt like giving him that townread when thrawn simply said he wouldn't be posting anything. Thrawn for me is still a wildcard and I'll give him some time but I don't feel confident at all to give him a read at this stage so I want to know why kush does.


i liked this post but i wouldn't put it past him as scum, the next post where he starts talking about how cav should have read me as scum in the last game was super weird though, like... who cares how someone should have read me as scum last game? why was that relevant and how does it apply to this game?
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