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On May 30 2014 01:39 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 01:37 mderg wrote:On May 30 2014 01:31 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. I HATE posts like this. Rit seems to be making friends, does that make him scum? Rit's posting feels forced, does that make him scum? It's elaborate and gives you bad vibes, does that make him scum? Odin presents a lot of things rit is doing and neither gives examples of why he feels that way or makes a solid conclusion. Like, c'mon man, you KNOW that either rit or I have to be scum. For some reason it's incredibly hard for odin to form a solid read (other than Palmar lol). When I started off the game I wanted to solve my own cell first because I had a whopping 50% chance of doing that. HF mentioned that one of the things he liked about odin was that he was reading the whole game. That's great, but at this point he can't even give a solid read on his own cell which honestly just screams scum who's not certain which cell member he'll have a better chance to misslynch. I was rereading and I found something that really bothered me. It's in red above. MZ I thought you were pushing Odin as scum. If Odin is scum, how would he "KNOW" that either ritoky or you are scum? There can only be one mafia per cell. I agree that this is bad wording but I don´t feel like it has any significance. If it's just bad wording, how would you re-word it to make it "good wording?" Something like this: As town you would know that either rit or I have to be scum.
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On May 30 2014 01:58 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 01:50 mderg wrote:On May 30 2014 01:39 batsnacks wrote:On May 30 2014 01:37 mderg wrote:On May 30 2014 01:31 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. I HATE posts like this. Rit seems to be making friends, does that make him scum? Rit's posting feels forced, does that make him scum? It's elaborate and gives you bad vibes, does that make him scum? Odin presents a lot of things rit is doing and neither gives examples of why he feels that way or makes a solid conclusion. Like, c'mon man, you KNOW that either rit or I have to be scum. For some reason it's incredibly hard for odin to form a solid read (other than Palmar lol). When I started off the game I wanted to solve my own cell first because I had a whopping 50% chance of doing that. HF mentioned that one of the things he liked about odin was that he was reading the whole game. That's great, but at this point he can't even give a solid read on his own cell which honestly just screams scum who's not certain which cell member he'll have a better chance to misslynch. I was rereading and I found something that really bothered me. It's in red above. MZ I thought you were pushing Odin as scum. If Odin is scum, how would he "KNOW" that either ritoky or you are scum? There can only be one mafia per cell. I agree that this is bad wording but I don´t feel like it has any significance. If it's just bad wording, how would you re-word it to make it "good wording?" Something like this: As town you would know that either rit or I have to be scum. It still bothers me. Something about the "KNOW" in all caps makes be believe that MZ actually knows odin's alignment is town and it slipped through his subconscious as he was writing. It's a confident, emotional statement. It´s not like it´s impossible but for me it´s just too much of a speculation to base a read on.
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Giving my thoughts on Cell A:
At first I didn´t like ritoky and MZ and I thought one of them just wanted an easy misslynch in thrawn. Especially thrawn not posting at all and being replaced isn´t alignment indicative at all. Later in his mayor campaign ritoky actually showed some solid reasoning and elaborated on his cell order. Even though I didn´t agree with the cell order I thought he was townie and figured that having him as mayor would give us a well elaborated cell order.
Odin´s first post weren´t necessarily screaming town to me but they certainly weren´t scummy. I didn´t like how he called ritoky leading a clear agenda in his mayor campaign since I didn´t see any agenda in that. What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point. His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town. Coupled with the fact that he didn´t like the freedom bullshit I read Odin as town at that point. That also means that I thought of MZ as scum.
Then the "drunken rage" hits and I´m really unsure about Odin. It might just be play from a frustrated townie but it might also be play by a frustrated scum. It didn´t make any sense to me. At about the same time MZ started having some good posts that seemed townie to me. The reads he made in this post seemed natural to me. + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2014 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 03:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 30 2014 03:30 Holyflare wrote: mz we've got your reads on your cell, explain the rest of the game to us, who else is scum? Ok gimme a sec to get everything together. I'll tell you right now I think it's Palmar from B because Palmar who doesn't give a shit is scumpalmar Cell C: HF, you’ve been active all game and I generally agree with your reads and your “townpile.” I have you as town right now. Batsnacks wanted group C to go first because he felt he “had a grasp on it” but hasn’t actually provided any insight into the group aside from his one big post where he “didn’t like” and was “not a fan” of lots of people but did not provide any solid reads. At the moment, only real scumread is me for “buddying ritoky.” His to big posts were a summary and setup speculation. Overall not really impressed with what I’ve seen. ShaioPi is sadly less impressive than batsnacks. He calls HF, Tamburini, and ritoky scum and then never really revisits it. He doesn’t like group A and he wanted batsnacks to be mayor. Overall incredibly lurky and low content. I had called him scum for saying he didn’t like freedom but at the moment he’s the scummiest from group C imo. Cell D Tamburini rng’d a list of scum and then afk’d, null. ObiWan is lurky as well. Has thrice promised a case and then reneged. The only real read he provides is sloosh as scum. There’s a casual open manner to his posts though imo so I’ll give him a pass until I see more substantive posts. I guess I’m cautiously optimistic about obiwan. Sloosh is active lurking and he chainsaw’s Odin by going after me. I personally think his case is hilariously bad and because I think Odin is scum, I’m gonna throw down the omgus and say that sloosh is the scum from Cell D. His active lurking and lack of reads is bad enough, the chainsaw is icing on the cake. Cell E Layabout has been spectacularly useless, but he might be the scum from this group because he goes after ritoky, but then changes his tune after the lynch on me starts to pick up speed. This is just another chainsaw defense of odin. Layabout goes from saying ritoky’s plan makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective to saying I’m scum for buddying him. The only thing that makes sense here from a mafia perspective is layabout’s play because he realizes I’m an easier lynch than ritoky. 27NB has been active and her reads have been decent. Townread from me. Mderg hasn’t really been pushing any reads, but what he has said has been well thought out and logical so I feel pretty good about him as well. So my scum team looks like this: Odin, Palmar, ShaioPi, Sloosh, Layabout. Most confident on the first two, least confident on ShaioPi . I don´t really agree on Cell C. I wouldn´t put Hf down as town and his reasoning for calling ShiaoPi scum is not the most convincing. But I agree that ShiaoPi is scummiest in that group. I completely agree with his reads on cell D. tamburini is a question mark and ObiWan was kinda strange with the case he promised. But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking. Cell E seems pretty clear to me. layabout´s play didn´t convince me at all and bunnies showed good activity as well as good elaboration on her reads.
So I´m stuck in the weird place of having 3 slight townreads in this cell. Right now I´d go with ritoky because I haven´t seen anything amazing from him recently but this is not how I want to actually lynch someone.
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On May 30 2014 10:13 Holyflare wrote: Mderg is mafia for other reasons but let's try and win before it gets to that cell.
Either you give the reasons or you don´t use them. Also you can´t possibly know I´m mafia since I´m not.
I don´t like ritoky´s recent play. I don´t see any reason to use that freedom shit in this phase of the game. Like in these posts the only real contribution is questioning layabout´s townread on Odin. + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2014 07:02 ritoky wrote:I had a dream, that one day that one day this game will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self evident; that all town are created equal." I had a dream, that even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of scum, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I had a dream, that little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their role but by the content of their character. I had a dream last night! Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 06:41 IAmRobik wrote: Put me in coach!
I wasn't gonna sub in cause I was scared of rolling maf, but I heard I would be in a group with holyflare and I snap-accepted. Then Artanis told me I'm town and the fact that there's a 50% chance of HF being mafia and a chance for me to shit all over him if he is makes me super duper happy. Welcome to the game sir. 2 questions for you: 1) What do you think of your predecessor's contributions/where do you stand in regards to them? 2) What do you think of this image? + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2014 07:03 ritoky wrote: on a related note, i will now read the 5 or so pages i missed while sleeping + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2014 07:10 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Just got off of work and had to take my little sister togymnastics practice, so I'll be updating from my phone.
I see Rob subbed in from someone, who?!
And anything else interesting happen that ya'll need me to look closely at? currently reading the drunken rage of odin, you should too. + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2014 07:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2014 00:26 layabout wrote: Odin i was trying to pick between mz and rito
calm down Uhhhhhh how did no one quote this????? What is this about broski? Question 1: Why do you hate freedom so much? And don't say your answer to me, say your answer to this: Question 2: How do you have such a 100% town read on Odin, yet you have not explained it a single time in the entire thread. I mean you have such a town read on him that you put him above BOTH myself and MZ, yet 0 reasons given as to where the hell it came from? Hello red flag, welcome to being pasted next to layabout's name.
I also have no idea why he still thinks Odin is more likely to be scum than MZ after this post.
On May 30 2014 08:11 ritoky wrote:So after reading through the drunken rage of Odin and some of Meapak's responses, I don't really feel like I have been moved all that much from my previous stance. I think Odin's level of frustration is not particularly alignment indicative for me, but if someone has meta information about when/if he rages as certain alignments or both that could be helpful. I think his frustration comes from a position of entering late into a game into the group going first that has two people who were being read as town by much of the game at the time he entered. But again, to me that doesn't give me much alignment information, could be frustrated town or frustrated mafia. It also makes it so that nearly half of the posts he put out are a wash. The thing that gave me pause about Odin when he entered the thread was his choice of who to pursue as the scum in his cell. He chose me. At first I had a bit of an OMGUS reaction to it, but then I read some of what HolyFlare was saying about it and it made a lot of sense. Mostly about how that was the less optimal and more difficult path. The easier path would be to not target the guy being elected mayor and to push on MZ for the sheeping/buddying. But I mean, that is kinda where he has ended up at now. And I also feel that a lot of his reasoning behind his suspicions of MZ are just taken directly from sloosh's post (which I personally think brings up the best point against MZ thus far that he hasn't actually responded to). I also dislike a lot of his talk and conclusions about the other cells a lot more than I dislike MZ's, but there's also a lot of prodding and questioning in Odin's which is a + point, whereas MZ's is a lot of summary information.However, the biggest thing stopping me from just locking a vote on Odin is the point sloosh made about MZ toward the end of his accusation. You see, a lot of people have been critical of MZ for basically how the first page of his filter is him saying he has a town read on me, sheeping me hard, and spewing freedom. Which is fine, that can be part of your read, but if that is all of your reasoning like it is for a few people; well then you need further examination (especially given that I feel MZ has given a lot more content than just that to comment on). BUT back to sloosh's point: Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:I'm reasonably sure that Meapak_Ziphh is the scum in Cell A. I believe his strategy is to buddy up hard to one member to get support for lynching the other. Namely, buddying up to ritoky to lynch thrawn, now replaced with Odin. Take one of his starting posts: On May 28 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Where are my cell mates?
I want to analyze the shit out of them This is quickly followed with a slew of On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor I also know who the scum is in my cell.
On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm so hard right now On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now <eagle-American-flag-erection.gif> On May 28 2014 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm so hard right now What is with all you boys getting hard. It's mafia. Not sex. Also ritoky i give you 9/10 for the freedom messup. We use our penises to scum hunt. I've already caught thrawn and shaiopi with mine, you lack a penis and haven't caught anyone. Coincidence? I think not... And you are so sure on them, aren't you? Why? What is your evidence. though i agree a bit with shaiopi. He seems to be wanting to disregard holyflare entirely. And the tone of his posts throw me off. I like hf. But that could be due to the cute kitty. I may lack a penis, but I have women's intuition, and boobs and a vagina. Sorry but way more powerful than your penis. My evidence against thrawn is that he must be scum since ritoky and myself are both town My evidence against Shaiopi is that he hates freedom. Two ironclad cases and I'm just getting warmed up. Ohhh.. Process of elimination. Didn't realize he was in your cell. I should probably look at that list. Okay, so why is ritoky more town than thrawn? Has he even (thrawn) commented on anything yet? And are you just basing that case on his mayor post? Also, if you like ritoky for his post(if thats the reason why) what do you not like about hf? George Washington himself personally told me ritoky was town. He said that we must rebel against King Thrawn the third.
King Thrawn has not commented on anything yet, he is crazy after all. The problem with HF is that he included kittens, a sure sign of weakness. Also I may still want to policy lynch him after golden sun, I haven't decided on that yet. + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness, I actually have a really good townread off of ritoky based on that post alone. It may change (I would be crushed if it had to) but that sort of entry into the thread is the antithesis of what I'd expect him to do as scum. If anyone has meta arguments against my gut (and George Washington), better tell me now. This post is roughly an hour or so after the game has started. Thrawn hasn't posted at this point, and ritoky's only post at this point is his platform post. The only reason why Meapak would act this way as town is if he had a rock solid conviction that ritoky was absolutely 100% town, going solely off his mayor platform post, so much so that no matter what thrawn posts, it wouldn't affect his read. This is absurd. There is no way anyone could have gotten such a strong read off 1 post. And here is the clincher: On May 28 2014 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:31 ritoky wrote:Personally, I find it strange that holyflare has not commented at all on the strongest case against him as mayor to this point. It may just be that he has been floored by the light of freedom and cannot rebut the awesome truth of murrica. Unlike shiaopi's claims of me being lazy and disappearing from the thread claim, I have no intentions of going quietly into the night. Those of us who fight for freedom day in and day out realize the hard work that it entails. We pull ourselves up by our boot straps, put on our pants one leg at a time, and work to rid the world of all that opposes the power of freedom. We know freedom isn't free. (please click for reference) Furthermore the founding father of freedom, George Washington, has reminded me of 2 things: always trust in the power of freedom and murricans always are first. So to further my case for mayor, I propose that Cell A goes first. It also contains the most obvious scum currently in the case of Thrawn, who clearly hates freedom. The founders themselves approve of this plan. Elect Ritoky so that Cell A can go first<ron swanson flag.gif> On May 28 2014 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 28 2014 07:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ritoky and thrawn huh? One of you is scum and you're going down the hard way.
Also no to HF as mayor, I'd rather RNG mayor... Dear god RNG already. Did we not learn our lesson in Golden Sun? Although I think that bringing up the bad idea of Rng makes you more town in that mafia would most likely want to secure mayor for themselves leaving it up to RNG sounds more towny thought process but a bad idea. Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing! So, we lynching Plammar? No bbz we lynch thrawn after we elect ritoky. On May 29 2014 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ##Vote: Ritoky
I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.
That said you should obviously vote for freedom <eagle / flag / america .gif> By lynching into Cell A first, there are absolutely no repercussions. He can say whatever he wants about the other cells, he could bus as hard as he wants, it doesn't matter if he doesn't actually flip since no one can call him out for it. He equates voting Cell A with freedom, which is actually a non reason. He clearly wants cell A to go first, but offers no analysis of why this would be the best course of action. Instead, all he sees is get Cell A first, lynch thrawn, who cares about the rest.
This is indicative of scum mentality, as town would definitely consider how to order things even after they are gone, whereas scum can have their teammates figure out the leftovers.
I believe ritoky has shown good analysis (when it came to actually deciding total cell order), and Odin's first few posts look like he is trying to figure out ritoky. Meapak has done neither, his filter is full of fluff and he is trying to get away with it with a D1 mislynch.##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh I think the bolded part is more interesting than the buddying up early stuff that everyone else seems hung up on. All of this said, I still think as of right now Odin is more of the scum than MZ. I have come down a bit on MZ since the start of the game, but not enough to call Odin more town. First he lists things that are not alignment indicative from Odin and how it´s townie to not pick MZ as initial scumread. But then he still thinks Odin is the likelier scum because he mainly used sloosh´s reason for calling MZ scummy (Even though ritoky thinks these are the best reasons so far to call MZ scummy). Then he says he dislikes a lot of his talk and conclusions about the other cells. But he doesn´t say what he dislikes. He proceeds to point out what makes MZ suspicious. I don´t see how this can lead to Odin being scummier than MZ.
To me it seems like ritoky is only semi-pushing the Odin lynch while still talking about how MZ is suspicious because most people had a townread on him from the start. If he helps keeping suspicions on the other two there would be almost no way we´d ever find out about him being scum. This would greatly hinder town in the future cells.
##vote: ritoky
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I will assume ritoky was scum.
For this cell I think it´s between batsnacks and Holyflare. I think Robik is town with how he questioned things. Not voting MZ is also a plus.
What I found strange about batsnacks is this: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:47 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:45 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:40 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:37 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:35 slOosh wrote: People who haven't voted: Vote. People who have, let's keep discussion on Cell A. Who should I vote? Who you think is scum. Who should I think is scum? In case you missed it On May 29 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:I'm reasonably sure that Meapak_Ziphh is the scum in Cell A. I believe his strategy is to buddy up hard to one member to get support for lynching the other. Namely, buddying up to ritoky to lynch thrawn, now replaced with Odin. Take one of his starting posts: On May 28 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Where are my cell mates?
I want to analyze the shit out of them This is quickly followed with a slew of On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor I also know who the scum is in my cell.
On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm so hard right now On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now <eagle-American-flag-erection.gif> On May 28 2014 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] My evidence against thrawn is that he must be scum since ritoky and myself are both town
My evidence against Shaiopi is that he hates freedom.
Two ironclad cases and I'm just getting warmed up. Ohhh.. Process of elimination. Didn't realize he was in your cell. I should probably look at that list. Okay, so why is ritoky more town than thrawn? Has he even (thrawn) commented on anything yet? And are you just basing that case on his mayor post? Also, if you like ritoky for his post(if thats the reason why) what do you not like about hf? George Washington himself personally told me ritoky was town. He said that we must rebel against King Thrawn the third.
King Thrawn has not commented on anything yet, he is crazy after all. The problem with HF is that he included kittens, a sure sign of weakness. Also I may still want to policy lynch him after golden sun, I haven't decided on that yet. + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness, I actually have a really good townread off of ritoky based on that post alone. It may change (I would be crushed if it had to) but that sort of entry into the thread is the antithesis of what I'd expect him to do as scum. If anyone has meta arguments against my gut (and George Washington), better tell me now. This post is roughly an hour or so after the game has started. Thrawn hasn't posted at this point, and ritoky's only post at this point is his platform post. The only reason why Meapak would act this way as town is if he had a rock solid conviction that ritoky was absolutely 100% town, going solely off his mayor platform post, so much so that no matter what thrawn posts, it wouldn't affect his read. This is absurd. There is no way anyone could have gotten such a strong read off 1 post. And here is the clincher: On May 28 2014 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:31 ritoky wrote:Personally, I find it strange that holyflare has not commented at all on the strongest case against him as mayor to this point. It may just be that he has been floored by the light of freedom and cannot rebut the awesome truth of murrica. Unlike shiaopi's claims of me being lazy and disappearing from the thread claim, I have no intentions of going quietly into the night. Those of us who fight for freedom day in and day out realize the hard work that it entails. We pull ourselves up by our boot straps, put on our pants one leg at a time, and work to rid the world of all that opposes the power of freedom. We know freedom isn't free. (please click for reference) Furthermore the founding father of freedom, George Washington, has reminded me of 2 things: always trust in the power of freedom and murricans always are first. So to further my case for mayor, I propose that Cell A goes first. It also contains the most obvious scum currently in the case of Thrawn, who clearly hates freedom. The founders themselves approve of this plan. Elect Ritoky so that Cell A can go first<ron swanson flag.gif> On May 28 2014 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote: [quote]
Dear god RNG already. Did we not learn our lesson in Golden Sun? Although I think that bringing up the bad idea of Rng makes you more town in that mafia would most likely want to secure mayor for themselves leaving it up to RNG sounds more towny thought process but a bad idea. Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing! So, we lynching Plammar? No bbz we lynch thrawn after we elect ritoky. On May 29 2014 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ##Vote: Ritoky
I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.
That said you should obviously vote for freedom <eagle / flag / america .gif> By lynching into Cell A first, there are absolutely no repercussions. He can say whatever he wants about the other cells, he could bus as hard as he wants, it doesn't matter if he doesn't actually flip since no one can call him out for it. He equates voting Cell A with freedom, which is actually a non reason. He clearly wants cell A to go first, but offers no analysis of why this would be the best course of action. Instead, all he sees is get Cell A first, lynch thrawn, who cares about the rest. This is indicative of scum mentality, as town would definitely consider how to order things even after they are gone, whereas scum can have their teammates figure out the leftovers. I believe ritoky has shown good analysis (when it came to actually deciding total cell order), and Odin's first few posts look like he is trying to figure out ritoky. Meapak has done neither, his filter is full of fluff and he is trying to get away with it with a D1 mislynch. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh That's the person YOU think is scum. What if the person I think is scum is different from the person you think is scum? Would you rather I voted for the person you think is scum or the person I think is scum? What?? You think MZ is scum. How would it make you feel if I voted ritoky or Odin? There's only two of them so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask how you feel about both options. I'd think you are wrong, and depending on your explanations for voting them I might consider you scum. Lets say I did like Palmar and didn't offer you any explanation. Would you consider me scum for that? I can´t see the thought process behind this. Especially this part looks like it´s just there to confuse people.
On May 31 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:40 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:38 slOosh wrote:On May 31 2014 01:37 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 01:35 slOosh wrote: People who haven't voted: Vote. People who have, let's keep discussion on Cell A. Who should I vote? Who you think is scum. Who should I think is scum? In case you missed it On May 29 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:I'm reasonably sure that Meapak_Ziphh is the scum in Cell A. I believe his strategy is to buddy up hard to one member to get support for lynching the other. Namely, buddying up to ritoky to lynch thrawn, now replaced with Odin. Take one of his starting posts: On May 28 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Where are my cell mates?
I want to analyze the shit out of them This is quickly followed with a slew of On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor I also know who the scum is in my cell.
On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm so hard right now On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now <eagle-American-flag-erection.gif> On May 28 2014 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm so hard right now What is with all you boys getting hard. It's mafia. Not sex. Also ritoky i give you 9/10 for the freedom messup. We use our penises to scum hunt. I've already caught thrawn and shaiopi with mine, you lack a penis and haven't caught anyone. Coincidence? I think not... And you are so sure on them, aren't you? Why? What is your evidence. though i agree a bit with shaiopi. He seems to be wanting to disregard holyflare entirely. And the tone of his posts throw me off. I like hf. But that could be due to the cute kitty. I may lack a penis, but I have women's intuition, and boobs and a vagina. Sorry but way more powerful than your penis. My evidence against thrawn is that he must be scum since ritoky and myself are both town My evidence against Shaiopi is that he hates freedom. Two ironclad cases and I'm just getting warmed up. Ohhh.. Process of elimination. Didn't realize he was in your cell. I should probably look at that list. Okay, so why is ritoky more town than thrawn? Has he even (thrawn) commented on anything yet? And are you just basing that case on his mayor post? Also, if you like ritoky for his post(if thats the reason why) what do you not like about hf? George Washington himself personally told me ritoky was town. He said that we must rebel against King Thrawn the third.
King Thrawn has not commented on anything yet, he is crazy after all. The problem with HF is that he included kittens, a sure sign of weakness. Also I may still want to policy lynch him after golden sun, I haven't decided on that yet. + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness, I actually have a really good townread off of ritoky based on that post alone. It may change (I would be crushed if it had to) but that sort of entry into the thread is the antithesis of what I'd expect him to do as scum. If anyone has meta arguments against my gut (and George Washington), better tell me now. This post is roughly an hour or so after the game has started. Thrawn hasn't posted at this point, and ritoky's only post at this point is his platform post. The only reason why Meapak would act this way as town is if he had a rock solid conviction that ritoky was absolutely 100% town, going solely off his mayor platform post, so much so that no matter what thrawn posts, it wouldn't affect his read. This is absurd. There is no way anyone could have gotten such a strong read off 1 post. And here is the clincher: On May 28 2014 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:31 ritoky wrote:Personally, I find it strange that holyflare has not commented at all on the strongest case against him as mayor to this point. It may just be that he has been floored by the light of freedom and cannot rebut the awesome truth of murrica. Unlike shiaopi's claims of me being lazy and disappearing from the thread claim, I have no intentions of going quietly into the night. Those of us who fight for freedom day in and day out realize the hard work that it entails. We pull ourselves up by our boot straps, put on our pants one leg at a time, and work to rid the world of all that opposes the power of freedom. We know freedom isn't free. (please click for reference) Furthermore the founding father of freedom, George Washington, has reminded me of 2 things: always trust in the power of freedom and murricans always are first. So to further my case for mayor, I propose that Cell A goes first. It also contains the most obvious scum currently in the case of Thrawn, who clearly hates freedom. The founders themselves approve of this plan. Elect Ritoky so that Cell A can go first<ron swanson flag.gif> On May 28 2014 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 28 2014 07:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ritoky and thrawn huh? One of you is scum and you're going down the hard way.
Also no to HF as mayor, I'd rather RNG mayor... Dear god RNG already. Did we not learn our lesson in Golden Sun? Although I think that bringing up the bad idea of Rng makes you more town in that mafia would most likely want to secure mayor for themselves leaving it up to RNG sounds more towny thought process but a bad idea. Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing! So, we lynching Plammar? No bbz we lynch thrawn after we elect ritoky. On May 29 2014 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ##Vote: Ritoky
I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.
That said you should obviously vote for freedom <eagle / flag / america .gif> By lynching into Cell A first, there are absolutely no repercussions. He can say whatever he wants about the other cells, he could bus as hard as he wants, it doesn't matter if he doesn't actually flip since no one can call him out for it. He equates voting Cell A with freedom, which is actually a non reason. He clearly wants cell A to go first, but offers no analysis of why this would be the best course of action. Instead, all he sees is get Cell A first, lynch thrawn, who cares about the rest. This is indicative of scum mentality, as town would definitely consider how to order things even after they are gone, whereas scum can have their teammates figure out the leftovers. I believe ritoky has shown good analysis (when it came to actually deciding total cell order), and Odin's first few posts look like he is trying to figure out ritoky. Meapak has done neither, his filter is full of fluff and he is trying to get away with it with a D1 mislynch. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh That's the person YOU think is scum. What if the person I think is scum is different from the person you think is scum? Would you rather I voted for the person you think is scum or the person I think is scum?
Speculating about statistics about how many townies are right in a cell also seems strange. Shouldn´t it all be about the things that people actually do?
On May 31 2014 04:44 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:37 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:32 batsnacks wrote: Considering votes right now
If ritoky is mafia, 0 people in their cell are right. If MZ is mafia, 1 person in their cell is right. If Odin is mafia, 2 people in their cell are right. Please enlighten me what you wish to garner from this? I think it says a lot. If ritoky is mafia, neither townie in his cell suspected him. If Odin is mafia, both town players in his cell suspected him. If MZ is mafia, 1 town member in his cell suspected him. Speculating: What do you think would happen the most often if Cell Mafia were played 1,000,000 times? Zero townies being right about their cell, one townie being right about their cell, or both townies being right about their cell? Again, pure speculation, I think most of time one townie would be right.
But Holyflare is way scummier to me than batsnacks. I didn´t like how in his mayor campaign it felt like he was trying to go 100% with what the people wanted without giving any input himself and thus not taking any responsibility. When he later gave his own suggestions, he didn´t actually go with the general consensus.
I also really dislike this:
On May 29 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading.
I agree that activity is important in determining the cell order but basing it SOLELY on activity just seems stupid.
Also he uses the fact that he "knows" how every new scum player plays to confirm his townread on ritoky who I think is scum with him. It´s not like everyone is exactly the same, you know.
On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote: it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it. I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with. His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do.
Somehow he even knows for a fact that I´m mafia. Sadly he also says that he will not disclose the reasons for that. As far as I know only people of 1 alignment can know the alignment of others for a fact (hint: it´s scum). He is 100% lying here. I´m not scum. Also, why even mention reasons you will not disclose anyway?
On May 30 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote: and I know for a fact that mderg is now mafia after that post he just made because of reasons that i will not disclose
Hf then continued by semi-pushing ritoky without actually putting him under pressure to not endanger the misslynch.
Short summary: ##vote: Holyflare
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On June 01 2014 02:55 Holyflare wrote: I did disclose as much info as I could and more than anything HE SHOULD KNOW THE UNDISCLOSED INFO SO THIS IS SUPER SUSPICIOUS TOO.
If it is what I think it is, I have absolutely no clue how you could come to the conclusion then. I also think you should not have mentioned it at all.
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On June 01 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 03:05 mderg wrote:On June 01 2014 02:55 Holyflare wrote: I did disclose as much info as I could and more than anything HE SHOULD KNOW THE UNDISCLOSED INFO SO THIS IS SUPER SUSPICIOUS TOO.
If it is what I think it is, I have absolutely no clue how you could come to the conclusion then. I also think you should not have mentioned it at all. it's nothing to do with what you think, simply that you are in both games and drew no parallells between what he was doing here and there yet instantly town read him for 0 reasons here after he had done nothing and then you defended the point about 3 times I should know the undisclosed info but it has nothing to do with what I think? I don´t get this.
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On June 01 2014 03:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 03:11 mderg wrote:On June 01 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:On June 01 2014 03:05 mderg wrote:On June 01 2014 02:55 Holyflare wrote: I did disclose as much info as I could and more than anything HE SHOULD KNOW THE UNDISCLOSED INFO SO THIS IS SUPER SUSPICIOUS TOO.
If it is what I think it is, I have absolutely no clue how you could come to the conclusion then. I also think you should not have mentioned it at all. it's nothing to do with what you think, simply that you are in both games and drew no parallells between what he was doing here and there yet instantly town read him for 0 reasons here after he had done nothing and then you defended the point about 3 times I should know the undisclosed info but it has nothing to do with what I think? I don´t get this. stop fucking talking about info in ongoing games, you are in a game where palmar is actively playing right? yes. you see palmar not playing in this game at all right? yes. you say nothing about that whatsoever but come to the ready conclusion that hes town right? yes all based on 0 posts and you haven't used anything to draw these conclusions You were the one who brought this in in the first place!
I don´t remember giving Palmar a strong townread here. I fucking said that I have the feeling that Palmar is town. I´ve also never even pretended to back that up with anything because I can´t back it up. It´s a fucking gut feeling.
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On June 01 2014 03:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Somehow he even knows for a fact that I´m mafia. Sadly he also says that he will not disclose the reasons for that. As far as I know only people of 1 alignment can know the alignment of others for a fact (hint: it´s scum). He is 100% lying here. I´m not scum. explain this then please 1)"only 1 alignment can know the alignment of others (scum)" implies quite obviously that I am scum but if that's the case then you ARE therefore mafia. 2)Then you add on that i'm 100% lying and you're not scum which is: A) Adding unneeded information to state that you're town which is inherently a mafia thing to do B) Disproving the previous half of the statement because if you are town then I can't possibly know your alignment so then what's the point of writing it? 1) You said that you KNOW, which by your logic means that you scumclaimed. I´d call this wordtwisting at it´s best.
2) I don´t think it´s inherently a mafia thing to do.
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A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.
You say that you know I´m scum. This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum. Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum.
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On June 01 2014 03:43 Holyflare wrote: You also say "Holyflare was asking for peoples opinions and consensus which is scummy but then stopped doing that which is scummy" NO!!!!!!!!! You didn´t ask for opinions, you said you were exactly going to do what the majority wants. Later you go against that by not going with a cell order the majority wanted.
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On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote: A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.
You say that you know I´m scum. This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum. Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum. You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM. if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia! Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb?
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On June 01 2014 03:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote:On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote: A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.
You say that you know I´m scum. This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum. Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum. You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM. if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia! Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb? It's YOUR logic???????????? How can it be this hard to understand??????????? If you are town, you´re lying about knowing my alignment. If you´re mafia, you´re lying about me being mafia and lying in general.
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On June 01 2014 03:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2014 03:54 mderg wrote:On June 01 2014 03:50 Holyflare wrote:On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote:On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote: A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.
You say that you know I´m scum. This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum. Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum. You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM. if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia! Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb? It's YOUR logic???????????? How can it be this hard to understand??????????? If you are town, you´re lying about knowing my alignment. If you´re mafia, you´re lying about me being mafia and lying in general. So then why is the conclusion mafia? Because you are lying. While lying is not a 100% scumtell I don´t think you would have any reason to do that as town.
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On June 01 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Look here's the thing. I don't care what you think of me you need to prove to me why you're not mafia and someone else in your cell is. If people think it's scummy and lynch me so be it but at least reads will be on the table and I'll have a better picture to solve the game by the time the lynch happens and if i do get lynched I'll flip town and people will listen to me and you will get lynched. So prove to me how your reads evolved and why they did for those reasons and then tell me who you think is mafia in your group and why.
The same goes for pretty much everyone else.
I don´t really have to prove to YOU that I´m town. In the end it comes down to proving this to the town member of my cell.
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I feel like my Holyflare vote was bad and to the most part just some kind of "Holyflare is a dick" vote. Like only a 3rd of my case against him actually stands while he made quite a lot of townie posts. I´m gonna switch to batsnacks now that I´ve thought about it without any bias.
If Hf turns out to be mafia at the end I´m gonna hate him so much.
##unvote ##vote: batsnacks
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On June 02 2014 06:47 Holyflare wrote: Not accepting the mderg switch after afk all day. Town read bunnies and 2 cell ppl joined bat when they coulda voted robik. Mderg no reason for bat. Etc etc I´m pretty sure with what I posted yesterday about your cell it makes absolute sense for me to vote batsnacks over robik.
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one final thought before the deadline: At least I was spot on about cell C being hard to read and wanting it to go late.
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At the start of the game poofter looked pretty townie to me. Pressuring different people, providing reads, everything I´d think a townie would do. The only thing I don´t like is how he instantly had Palmar as scum with only the one quote from the first game.
I feel like the drop in his activity is kinda strange and makes me reconsider my read on him. Him voting for both misslynches also doesn´t work in his favor but considering how the lynched went I´d not say that it necessarily makes him scummy.
I still have a slight townread on him because his play at the beginning looked very townie to me and I don´t think there´s anything that´s clearly scummy.
Gonna skim the other 2 cellmembers now.
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I didn´t really like how wos wanted to 100% prevent Hf from getting mayor but I don´t know Hf that well as a player, so I can´t say that it was wrong by him. It didn´t seem like he was especially playing against Hf but still calling him out on a few things, so not wanting Hf as mayor may definitely have been genuine.
I liked the questioning of poofter´s Palmar read, since at that point the read was based on one post similar to cell I. Him questioning ritoky was also something that was townie.
This seems kinda strange, I don´t think there was any real case from him leading to that.
On May 29 2014 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote: For thr record I have a monster town read on MZ
On May 29 2014 11:00 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh u no ilu bro, but this is bad.
He called sloosh´s case on MZ a case with no substance which I liked. In general he was questioning the ongoings in cell A quite a lot.
I´m not completely sure what to think about his back and forth with Robik. His reasoning didn´t seem too bad but I thought Robik was town. This could be going either way. I also don´t think ve´s first posts are alignment indicative in any way.
Overall I´m unsure about wos/ve. Fist gut feeling tells me this is the scum in this cell but that´s it.
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