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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 13:23 GMT
#761
Also to mention, how is me coming into the thread and posting my opinions "tunnel city"? I literally got home, caught up, posted my thoughts, and went to sleep. Oh yes, the tunnel is strong in this Odin guy. He's so positive in his lynch targets right now but at the same time being super inconclusive and not wanting to lynch anyone...
What.. are you .. even.. trying to say?

Because your saying one thing, while implying I did the exact opposite.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 13:43 GMT
#762
Ok meanwhile,

I remember a few things people asked about from me.
I'll try to respond. I'll be honest though, I will not be around for a huge amount of time.
So no filters or re-reading atm. So if I miss your question and you are around soonish, ask away!
I'll be around for like maby another hour or two.

Anyway,

Poofter-

My Palmar read should be really obvious to literally everybody.
If you come into the thread, do nothing, follow it with "Fuck this, I'm not doing anything proactive for town today CYA GUIS"
I'm going to want to lynch you. I mean that's all I can really say. It's super obvious to me so I wasn't even going to post it because frankly it's policy talk.
If you come in and play in a anti town way... Odds are you are anti town.

Also I really kind of like HF right now.
He seems pretty townie.
And also guys, Mafia database is lying to you. I was scum Role Blocker in Newbie Mini Mafia L.
If you think the way I have played every other game I've ever been in is remotely simular to that game though,
just lynch me now. I don't even want to be around for mylo/lylo. I won't be readable to anyone.

You can reference that for meta if you want.
But to be honest, from post game Golden Sun, I am not meta-able.
And no, that's not a claim to skill. I simply never play any two games the same.

I really kind of like HF because of his points about scum play now.
Read that game. Seriously, what he's saying is 100% true for me. A lot of people tried to fight him on it but how many impressive scum performances (outside out town with downs) have you seen in newbies? Iunno, maby he makes more sense to me because I was a "real newb" coming into this site. I have never (sub a few rl games around a table) played mafia outside it.



Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 13:50 GMT
#763
On May 29 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you.

Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake?


Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind.

Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win.



Why are you pairing two people based literally off how much they played along with your freedom game?
Seriously, this is what I'm talking about when I was/am still kind of suspicious of you.
If I came into the thread and just said "OMG 'MURICA *Snipped for adult content about male anatomy* LUV'S THIS THREAD SOOOO HARD" would you give me a confirmed town seal?
I mean that just doesn't make sense. Ye, I feel like you have tried to explain your reasoning outside of this. But really I honestly feel like you are basing way to much of your reads on a personal bias. And that made/makes me worry about you.

Most of the problem I have between you guys (Rit/MZ) right now, at the root of it, is a biased claim to know, for a fact, that the other is town. How can you know for sure? And why, if you are actually town in this position aren't you trying to solidify your read past this?
It just seems super odd to me.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 13:53 GMT
#764
I mean also, like the fact both of you are doing it is a real head scratcher to me.
More so if you are actually town Rit. You obviously realize from that post "So deep in my pocket" that scum could easily be vying for your attention. Why let it slide then? You acknowledge the problem could exist, but do absolutely nothing to prevent it.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 13:57 GMT
#765
Oh also,

I just remembered someone asked me to post analyses MZ aswell.
I will do this. I'll start soonish, but I will not promise it will be posted before I go to sleep. I have been up all night already and am very tired. But what I can promise you is it will be up in less than 12 hours. So I'll start to dig through his filter pretty soon if no one else is around for me to talk to.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 13:59 GMT
#766
HF what do you mean about WoS btw?
I keep trying to find underlying meaning to what you are getting at...
But to be honest it's like a plane flying over my head.
What's wrong with WoS?
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 14:03 GMT
#767
#Layabout problems.

He lays..... about...

Revert to first? (maby second the MZ case against me at any rate)
Why is my comment about him wrong?! Layabout (hereby known as LA), is a terrible place to be at. Oil refineries on the beach, stuck up snobs walking on boardwalks, and a bunch of half assed surfers who think they are great.

Yep, I can see why anyone would totes see LA as a great place to live.
Totally.

Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
May 29 2014 14:30 GMT
#768
On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor
I also know who the scum is in my cell.

mz makes his mind up wayy to early. From this point on he pushes the odin is scum ritoky is town agenda. It really doesn't look like he thought about it like a townie should before he started to push that. Plus his focus is on survival not the game as a whole
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27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 29 2014 14:32 GMT
#769
On May 29 2014 16:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol sloosh that was so bad


You commented on how sloosh's post was so bad, but you never actually gave what about it was bad.

Can you enlighten us please?

Also, I'll have more questions for you on odin's posting after i get off of work in a couple of hours.
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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 14:56 GMT
#770
On May 29 2014 08:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm going to give my reads as they stand now currently. strength of read wise green > blue > red towny to scum

Cell A

ritoky - I initially voted him for the lawls felt very Colbert Report and there was a bunch of people that hadn't spoke. Then he came out with a big reads post talking about where he stood and had good solid reasoning for it. He seemed to be trying to solve the game and I liked his plan maybe not exactly what I would do but close. I'd have run myself but knew I would be out for 12-14 of the 24 hours. I think he can keep the freedom stuff I think its funny and it seems to piss enough people off to generate some bs discussion that mafia can cling to and be more obvious they want to talk about anything except the game.

Do you have any opinion on my thoughts about Rit? You completely ignore them if you do here. Are my arguments baseless, stupid, and you're totes willing to lynch for for it now? You think I may be misguided? What? We already know Rit at this time was town read by like 95% of the thread.

MZ I like that his reads aligned with mine early. He seemed to be game solving early he has been gone as of late but so was I so pot kettle situation. He did buddy up it seemed to ritoky but it didn't give me much pause until Odin came to the thread. Honestly had this cell locked until Odin spoke.

Yes. This is entirely my problem. Thrawn is a known D1 lurker regardless of alignment. So why all the sudden, god forbids, he have a family emergency or something (No, I have no clue why thrawn replaced. It's none of my business and I did not ask.) should he be auto scum? Oh, righto, it's convenient . This "mod confirmed town" reaction going on between these two, even without knowing one of them has to be scum, makes me think at least one of them WOULD be regardless.
Given that I know each cell has one, WHO is it? So what's you're opinion now? What have you got to say about Rit, MZ, and myself?


OdinI think HF (i think it was him) brought up the point that his reaction wasn't to go on MZ but to go on ritoky this is interesting because as a scum going into the thread he would know that concensus in the thread at the time was ritoky was getting pretty much town read by everyone and if he knows the alignmetns of his cell he can throw scum on the other guy and have a much easier time of getting him lynched (in this setup you're all about surviving your lynch as mafia) so the thinking is a bit different. I'm actually kinda glad that its not as cut and dry because while if it was and we hit thats awesome but on the off chance we were wrong a split vote gives us more info imo.

Pls acknowledge stuff that I say. It's not that I don't find MZ questionable. I was curious on who was trying to ploy onto who. At the time of my post I believed Rit's was trying to flamboyantly stamp his seal onto MZ's heart for the misslynch. I wasn't sure who was scum between them but it was obvious who was calling the shots. But then again (If you read my recent post), this can go both ways. Why would a scum MZ bring protest if he's scum? He knows I'm town? How happier could he be that the only other person, other than myself, could sway his cell? No, he'd be beside himself. Ez pz mislynch in the bag GG Scum for D1.
Yes, it was pretty obvious I was more willing to write off MZ lack of contribution/fluff as a annoyed VT than Rit going about things the way he does. I mean, even now looking back, I still stand by my point. If you (or anyone else) doesn't agree then ok. Talk to me about it. But the way I see it Rit's post are very strongly inclined to gain town favor, push a Cell A cycle 1, and be gone before anyone can question him about it. I do admit, with the private knowledge to me, the fact I'm town makes his push seems super awkward. But who wouldn't be put off by knowing that one of the other people in their cell is scum by a hard push D1 by what looks like the simplest lynch ever?
Who (Other than MZ) can say that, if I'm not scum, they would be (I repeat) dancing in their shoes for such an easily lynched townie.


Cell C

HF His mayor post was towny his reasoning of staying around wanting the game to start reads more town to me. I didn't vote for him because while I think he is town he has fooled me before (glory mafia) so him not having power is fine by me. I also feel like his posting has been pressuring people like with mderg on inconsistencies.

His Mayor post was null imo. His early play behind it was null. His follow up past half the day was null.
That's the explicit reason I found HF a worrying concept for a D2 lynch. Ye, you people can call it policy. But it's not. And you're just trying to stroke your e*BONUS* for saying it is.
HF hasn't won like 12/13 games as either alignment for being bad.
HF is a solid townplayer whenever he is town. He may not make sense to you. But I do implore you, please do a TL search for CHUPAZI. This dude would strait up warp peoples minds. No, I could never read him. But from post game statistics he always had a reason to say what he would say. The one time I pushed myself to implore these things, I modkilled myself because Chupazi is an omnipresent being. You cannot understand him for he is not to be understood.
In the wakes of such things, reading remedial things make so much more sense to me.
HF makes so much more sense to me. I can usually get an idea of HF alignment. Am I saying I'm right 100% of the time?
Heavens no. am I right even 95%?,85%? I'm right about HF alignment in games a stuningly low 71.214% of the time (per my calc.) But does that mean that my reasoning is wrong?
Also, no.
HF is just a good player.
Which is the 100%,entire, completely the trueth, 100% statically proven, seriously just do it, it might as well be TLM fucking ban rules, that you wait and see. The odds of you guessing it, on D1 no less, are so stunningly low, to claim that you know it would be retarted.

All of that is to simply say, in lamest terms (And ye, it took a whole paragraph since for SOME STUPID FUCKING REASON) Since he will be up to lynch day 2 I highly recommend you guys to focus that Cell.

Cell A is stupid. Make a decision after I flip town and move on.
What much more important to town now, is tomorrow's lynch of Cell C.
Think about it.
Really hard.
Because if scum doesn't flip on tomorrows cycle it will be incredibly hard imo to place them.

Sorry for spelling mistakes,. I'm kind of driunk atm.


batsnacks His mayor campaign was okay but I felt like enough scummy people jumped on it that they probably favored his cell order over ritoky. This however makes me think that bat isn't scum because scum wouldn't want to group up so easily and so early they'd be more likely to attach to a town than to one of their own. His post about how he would make the order with the group was convoluted but I felt it came from a townie side of thought. I need to hear more to be fully convinced but he is townier than Shaiopi.

[green] So I was one of those, Why not comment on what I'ver posted so far? What about Bats mayor push seems odd to you? What about the people who voted for it (Whom which I was one of ) seemed odd to you?

Shaiopi I haven't remembered anything he said I was making this list and just read his filter cause I totally forgot he was in the game but none of his posts really stood out to me and this is more PoE than anything. I'd like to hear more

[green] Out of my choices for this cell., Shio is the scum. HF is reading very town to me atm. I don't have strong feeling for Bats. And before everyone jumps my case. Bats isn't a huge scum read. Both Bats/Shio read very null to me. They don;t contribute much of anything. It will take more hasing out. But again. that is a huge point agains't the order that has been chosen. They will not have that time now. Odds are tomorrow.. Ppl will have to guess. THat's exactly what scum want to happen. Scum want the town to have to guess on lynch cycle A (me) and then guess on lynch cycle B. If town choose wrong twice in this.... scum are so very close to winning. and now that Rit has decided the path... we must be very careful.


Cell B

Palmer That thing he said early that I quoted seemed like Deja vu tbh. He also hasn't done much for the thread at all even when he wasn't trying as town in Yoso he spoke up more than this and was trying to solve the game. WoS alos looks entirely more townie. I would like to hear more from Palmer if he is town cause the worst would be losing my own cell since I have the most knowledge on it.
Tehpoofter The Hero town Wants and Deserves.
WoS He has been getting a lot of the same reads as me and seems to be trying to solve the game. Honestly if he wasn't in my cell I'd have him as green but he has a 50% chance of being mafia so I don't want to get pocketed here. But I would consider him among my top 5 town atm.


Cell D

Tambo Rng/numbers talk, this seems different from the golden sun game as there he at least had that really large post that to me sounded townie in that he was actively going through his thought process even though he didn't have any concrete conclusions. I'm glad he is in a later group because knowing him from video mafia his late game is better than his early game as town and as mafia he just doesn't step it up late. I know he has been busy but talk to me tambo (I still need your fake claim)

Need to filter

ObiWan There can't be 2 mafia in the same cell so this cell is really confusing because he is actively not trying to engage the thread it felt like last night he swung by to "show up" and then left just enough to get by.

[b]Seriously? Look at this guys last 10 post and tell me if you think he's town.

Sloosh Well there REALLY can't be three scum in a cell and he was trying to work the game out earlier even going to old games for research to me thats more townie than mafia because he did it of his own free will it wasn't like it was asked or hinted at by someone. I didn't much care for his analysis and he seemed to not have read properly but he read so that shows a mindset of wanting to find out who scum is.




Cell E

layabout Abrasive about odd things in the thread. He doesn't seem to want to push the conversation any further or solve the game he seems to just want to interject. I also don't care for a lot of his reasoning on the batsnacks vote. I wouldn't be surprised if him and Shaiopi both turn out to be mafia voting there.

People are dogging on me for this read.. What..? Ok, to be clear. ALL OF YOU ARE PROBS SCUM.

bunnies Bunnies looks to me like every other forum mafia game shes played asking questions and pushing her reads even if I feel like they're different than mine. She definitely is my town pick for this group.

[green] Bunnies is matching her active post-full self to me atm. I have had some strong problems of logic in my own mind with this...But it's mostly just me building barriers in my mind

mderg I can't make up my mind on mderg atm. I feel like he makes a post and I think "that was pretty town" then the next one "wow scummy" its like there is two types of posts from him but atm layabout has been consistently scummy so he reads more town to me because of that. I need to reread the thing HF brought up when I was reading it I was unsure how I felt about it. I'm glad this group is one of the later ones though.




This turned out to be more wall of text than I planned. Again GReen is most town then Blue then Red is scummy obviously.

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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 14:58 GMT
#771
Mmk I'll do the other half of Poof and ten MZ stuff later..
Prolly sseleep soon cuz yo know... drunk. rrreid. I might saklep on keybaord aTT Ttis rate.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 15:00 GMT
#772
^ power of auto correction.

I ve round for like 45 minute mabny
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 15:02 GMT
#773
honestly this is freaking stupid

You peple want to lynch me on afk,. but in my eyes all of you are lurkers.
I'm here. seversl hours a day, I sacrifice 3-4 hr/day after a 16 hr day t talk to you.
Qnd you're goner, but fuck. I;m ;lynch foir today?
Fucking lynch me. I;m done with this crap. Maintain higher post limites or laY THE FUCK OFF ME FOR HAVIGN TO PULL 18 HR DAYS.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 29 2014 15:04 GMT
#774
On May 30 2014 00:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:
honestly this is freaking stupid

You peple want to lynch me on afk,. but in my eyes all of you are lurkers.
I'm here. seversl hours a day, I sacrifice 3-4 hr/day after a 16 hr day t talk to you.
Qnd you're goner, but fuck. I;m ;lynch foir today?
Fucking lynch me. I;m done with this crap. Maintain higher post limites or laY THE FUCK OFF ME FOR HAVIGN TO PULL 18 HR DAYS.

Odin. Stop it. We've been through this before. This is not how you play a game.
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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 15:04 GMT
#775
TYe no,Even thoguh Shia looooooks scum as fuck to me ... IO won't explaimn.
Figure it out. I'm done helpiung town righgt now.
Alls anyone wants to do isa lynch nme so
fuk it. do it. at leaats I won't6 hsve to put up with this crap qymoew.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 15:10 GMT
#776
And tyes, Rit'
s post looks uper odd to me, Like pushing a #1 sacum read with with a.......
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..
,...
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Pressumed..
..
..
.......
.....town read.
..
.... Like how the fuck do you know MX is towwn?
How the fuck does MZ jknow RT is town
????

Everything they say is scummy in union... my faction is sup[opose to havce one scum.......right now thy both look so scummy it's stupid.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 15:13 GMT
#777
This whole fucking thing is stupid.
I'm about to get lynches as town because some scum began the thread on the basis thrawn would be inactive...
OMFG WHO KNEW!?!!!?!??!?!!?!?!?!?!
THAWN A WEAKOSIOKOS D1?!
WUT? {PS IU tyhogut her was #=1 greatest TL player ever.
Even thou Thrawn is known for indecisive reads D1
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 15:15 GMT
#778
Like ye, pleaase shit on me. Pleaser throw dirt on the fact I'm suspicious becuase the peopel in my facton hard duod lesss thN 3 HRS INTO the game to say I was scum? let alonr I post like 16 hr latewr. Ok. Might as well not even read hid alignment cuz we alerady know he is scum.


Fuck yopu. This game is retarded. IF I repalced to gety lynched on Poly I will never fucking replace again.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 29 2014 15:15 GMT
#779
Odin this is the last time I will respond to you if you act like this.
Have you seen the votes right now? How is it that 'everybody' wants to lynch you? As far as I can tell, actually I'm pretty sure consensus seems to be closer to MZ than anything. You are acting insane, and it is uncomfortable to watch/experience, whether it is a tactic or not.

Stop it.
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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
May 29 2014 15:18 GMT
#780
WoS, People do want to lynch me.
Have you read comments?
People will swing on me any avialble s cghance

and irt's stupid. I'm doing the best I can to contribute this game and alls I get for it ios
"toteas scum
Loaol at this guy, such lurker many scum."

I mean ok what do you think of my post vs MZ?
Whast about my thought about Rit?
I tried to give my honest opnin this gasme and everyonr greeted it with , you fkin
' scumbag. cept HolyFlare.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
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