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Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
May 29 2014 02:34 GMT
#721
On May 29 2014 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
chainsaw defenses are silly ways of accusing someone of being scum.

associative reads arent good either, especially pre-flip.

you even admit that its dumb and then you push it anyway.

arent you supposed to be good?

LOL
Are you Robik? You have to be one of the newbies to say something like this.


hahahahaah that would make so much sense.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
May 29 2014 02:38 GMT
#722
On May 29 2014 11:08 layabout wrote:
4th because i actually want to play this game but i didn't want to be last cell,

tehpoofters town>scum could read High activity>low activity and pretty much all of the colors would be the same

If ritoky is town that putting himself first is moronic but if he is mafia it makes total sense.

He is cashing in his towncred early on rather than using it to get listened to and then try to help with multiple lynches. He has to tryhard for 72 hours and it seems the majority of people are willing to give him a free pass for "contribution"
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 07:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 07:37 layabout wrote:
i brought it up when i got here and voted for the other guy


If that was bringing it up, that is the lamest most unproductive way to bring it up.

One post, and you didn't even push on it.

what was the point? i arrived pretty late rito had 6 or 7 votes and the next closest was a single vote.


The last cell mafia game myself/Ceph/LSB were the 3 least contributing people in the game and we were all mafia. Steveling and Palmer both lurked day 1 as well then picked it up. I agree that most of my list is high activity > low activity but I think this setup is conducive to that type of thinking. So It is a part of how I got my reads. I'm curious what you think of my reads anyone with high contribution you think has been scummy or vice versa the low end of posting but very town? To me that comment just makes me think "shit this dude just called us all out for not posting better make it look like he just did sort by post count find scum" or something.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
May 29 2014 02:39 GMT
#723
I'm off work going to eat and play some Civ 5 I'll be around tonight look for more from group A

If you guys could address some of the points I brought up previously that would be awesome!
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 29 2014 02:47 GMT
#724
On May 29 2014 11:08 layabout wrote:
4th because i actually want to play this game but i didn't want to be last cell,

tehpoofters town>scum could read High activity>low activity and pretty much all of the colors would be the same

If ritoky is town that putting himself first is moronic but if he is mafia it makes total sense.

He is cashing in his towncred early on rather than using it to get listened to and then try to help with multiple lynches. He has to tryhard for 72 hours and it seems the majority of people are willing to give him a free pass for "contribution"
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 07:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 07:37 layabout wrote:
i brought it up when i got here and voted for the other guy


If that was bringing it up, that is the lamest most unproductive way to bring it up.

One post, and you didn't even push on it.

what was the point? i arrived pretty late rito had 6 or 7 votes and the next closest was a single vote.


The point was that you could have tried to convince voting ritoky was a bad idea, and push who was the idea for mayor.

Instead you sat back, didn't even give a real read on why you chose bat over ritoky, and the go afk again.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 29 2014 02:50 GMT
#725
Hah wtf im more than 1/4 of this threads posts that's actually fucking disgusting play by the majority of everyone else. Step it up lurkers! Activity is an excellent metric to go by in this game, dunno why mderg hated when I said that earlier either.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 29 2014 02:57 GMT
#726
On May 29 2014 11:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Chainsaw defense is to defend someone by attacking others to discredit them or make the defended person appear better. Really HF?

Now again, unflipped association but that whole 'analysis' of my cell says absolutely dick all, and the only person he does not cast in a negative light with it is Palmar. Hell even ignoring the fact that I think Palmar is scum it doesn't look great. Nobody commented on this....and batsnacks himself responded to every other post made towards him at the given time I believe.


If you can explain why you didn't like whatever I posted without using the words "chainsaw defense" or "dick all" I will have an easier time responding to this issue you're creating. Even after this post I quoted I still don't understand how I've committed "chainsaw defense."

In the post I think you are referring to what I said about Palmar was "he's acting like he doesn't care." You're saying the only person in your cell I don't cast in a negative light is Palmar. "He's acting like he doesn't care" was implied as being negative. I was sharing the notes I made while reading in that post. If you think my notes mean "dick all" that bothers me. I went out of my way to share them because I thought they would be useful.

So maybe you'll explain yourself better or not but regardless I think there are more urgent matters at hand right now. We could have had a dialog day 1 and it would have been relevant before but you choose to pursue this now. At the moment I'm reading it as a selfish pursuit.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 29 2014 03:00 GMT
#727
Yehhh bumsnacks let's lynch shiaopi!
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 29 2014 03:04 GMT
#728
To all those who questioned my order here is my response:

[image loading]

The land that invented electricity, science, the internet, global warming, the doughnut, and porn; filled me with the power of freedom, and I simply did her great will, and the will of the founding fathers.

On another note, I will actually read what has happened since then, and if anyone has any questions I will gladly respond.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 29 2014 03:09 GMT
#729
On May 29 2014 12:00 Holyflare wrote:
Yehhh bumsnacks let's lynch shiaopi!


I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now.

How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it.

I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 29 2014 03:14 GMT
#730
On May 29 2014 12:04 ritoky wrote:
To all those who questioned my order here is my response:

[image loading]

The land that invented electricity, science, the internet, global warming, the doughnut, and porn; filled me with the power of freedom, and I simply did her great will, and the will of the founding fathers.

On another note, I will actually read what has happened since then, and if anyone has any questions I will gladly respond.



I think you'll find that only the internet was created in america.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 29 2014 03:17 GMT
#731
On May 29 2014 12:09 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 12:00 Holyflare wrote:
Yehhh bumsnacks let's lynch shiaopi!


I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now.

How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it.

I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something.


I will answer this, then I saw a question from poofter too a ways back that I will talk about after.

If the deadline was right now, I would lynch Odin. Now that's not to take away from him at all. I basically had such a strong town read when MZ buddied up to me that I thought thrawn/Odin would just post in the thread, I would say "lulz" and default lynch him. But, Odin's posts were so good and I am beginning to agree with some other people after thinking about it that his choice to attack me is the harder road to take and mafia would likely take the easier road of not going at the guy being elected mayor. However, as of now I think his sample size is too small for those brief moments of town feels to overrule the surge of early town feels I got from MZ. Basically I am not completely closed to either of them being mafia, as opposed to 12 hrs ago when I thought it was an open and shut case.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 29 2014 03:17 GMT
#732
On May 29 2014 12:09 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 12:00 Holyflare wrote:
Yehhh bumsnacks let's lynch shiaopi!


I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now.

How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it.

I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something.

Already said I'd vote mz. Nobody has noticed odins post criticising ritoky yet because it's hidden in a spiiler and i thought it was pretty good:
On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post.
I'll post my thoughts in red..

Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order

You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural.

I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before.



What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind?
Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends.
His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes.



i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him.

On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads?


In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already.

The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.

The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews).

Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.

Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B.

It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?

The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk.

The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy.




So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post?
It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it.




Click the spoiler for his red text!
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 29 2014 03:23 GMT
#733
On May 29 2014 10:06 Tehpoofter wrote:
@bunnies Can you explain what about the whole freedom thing makes ritoky more mafia? I mean you're one of the people that brings it up but to me its neutral (funny) but neutral.


@Odin can you explain to me in this post: + Show Spoiler +
On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived.
I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh.
If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A.
Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.

So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.

Holyflare is kind of making me worry too.
-Push for mayor super weird
-has a ton of filler post
-has a few prodding post with not so much follow up

Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.

Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.

Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.

mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order

You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural.
what made Palmer "obvious in cell B"? Why are me and WoS town?


@ MZ - What do you think of Odin's entrance to the game? Why is Shaio PI confirmed scum here? + Show Spoiler +
On May 28 2014 09:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
man, read shiaopi's filter and tell me that guy isn't either super tunneled 5 minutes into a game or mafia!

i answer all his questions pretty well and often and then he just asks more and more which I still answer and he doesn't comment on any of them and then fecks off calling me mafia for answering questions too slow lol :DDD

HF ShaioPi is already confirmed scum by the founding fathers, not that I'd expect a limey git like you to understand
The next post in your filter, you actually say you Don't like bat's first post I might have missed something in context but this is weird to me explain to me how you got to that point.

@ritoky Where do you stand in your cell? I realize you gave reads saying you thought it was Odin as mafia or MZ and me. Can you explain why if MZ is mafia I'm auto mafia?


I think my previous post kinda answers your first question.

Your second question is about the first moments of the game. I felt that you two both buddied up to me in a similar fashion behind the power of freedom. It was not necessarily the quickness in which both happened, idk it is very hard for me to explain. The feeling I got from both of you and the manner in which you both cleared me as absolute town felt very similar. So much so that I made a very specific note to myself about it and I thought it meant you guys were aligned together. Whether that be both as town or both as mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 29 2014 03:24 GMT
#734
On May 29 2014 12:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 12:09 batsnacks wrote:
On May 29 2014 12:00 Holyflare wrote:
Yehhh bumsnacks let's lynch shiaopi!


I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now.

How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it.

I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something.

Already said I'd vote mz. Nobody has noticed odins post criticising ritoky yet because it's hidden in a spiiler and i thought it was pretty good:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post.
I'll post my thoughts in red..

On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order

You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural.

I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before.



What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind?
Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends.
His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes.



i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him.

On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads?


In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already.

The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.

The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews).

Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.

Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B.

It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?

The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk.

The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy.




So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post?
It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it.




Click the spoiler for his red text!


Red text = scum slip?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 29 2014 03:27 GMT
#735
Gonna leave this question here for when MZ and Odin come on:

@MZ, If the mod suddenly banned freedom and murrica from this thread, then what would you base your read on myself and Odin on?

@Odin, You talked about me, could you please give me some similar depth on MZ?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 29 2014 03:27 GMT
#736
No :p
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
May 29 2014 03:47 GMT
#737
IM SORRY was stuck doing training for my job and got home past the deadline!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 29 2014 04:13 GMT
#738
On May 29 2014 12:47 mtamburini wrote:
IM SORRY was stuck doing training for my job and got home past the deadline!


Get your thoughts in asap
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 29 2014 06:00 GMT
#739
ok well i just passed out for like an hour or two so ill probably do my case tomorrow or something.

ive gotta get up reasonably early so ill be back tomorrow.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 29 2014 06:00 GMT
#740
im also glad to see this game is moving along at a breakneck pace.
Retired.
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