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On May 06 2014 09:41 Steveling wrote:Well in this "majority vote" setup, I think people who don't offer opinions on everyone should be lynched. People who fixate on a couple persons, people who seem to have difficulty providing reads, people who lurk, they should all be lynched or shot. Mderg and Koshi fit this profile perfectly atm.
why not poofter, even vivax? they are all lurker category
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On May 06 2014 09:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats a really specific filter of scumtells lol.
is there anything that stands out to you from their filters?
Hf it doesnt matter. its my opinion only.
Well yes, I explained it.
Mderg is flimsy, like a little frail princess in his posts, I don't like that.
Koshi is always asking useless one liners, good way for scum to seem like they promote discussion.
Also like mderg he refrains from stating his own opinion.
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On May 06 2014 09:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
No, thats why im not attacking your play, but rather you.
Anyway, how do you say that scum dont probe and push but just straightout accuse people when you have done it as town before, namely dp in that game before this.
the only person I've ever been "horrible" to is DP so I assume you mean that and which game before this? Titanic? or the one on OMGUS? Titanic I started out as trolling and realised he had 8 pages of contentless filter which is a massive scum tell and was backtracking on everything and was not inquisitive like I stated multiple times with meta instances and proof, OMGUS was because I was trolling.
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On May 06 2014 09:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 09:41 Steveling wrote:On May 06 2014 09:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whos scum steve? Well in this "majority vote" setup, I think people who don't offer opinions on everyone should be lynched. People who fixate on a couple persons, people who seem to have difficulty providing reads, people who lurk, they should all be lynched or shot. Mderg and Koshi fit this profile perfectly atm. why not poofter, even vivax? they are all lurker category
Poofter is lurker #1 I agree.
Vivax has already taken stance yesterday, so I think he's sleeping/working/whatever now and when he's back he will contribute.
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On May 06 2014 09:53 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 09:50 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 09:41 Steveling wrote:On May 06 2014 09:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whos scum steve? Well in this "majority vote" setup, I think people who don't offer opinions on everyone should be lynched. People who fixate on a couple persons, people who seem to have difficulty providing reads, people who lurk, they should all be lynched or shot. Mderg and Koshi fit this profile perfectly atm. why not poofter, even vivax? they are all lurker category Poofter is lurker #1 I agree. Vivax has already taken stance yesterday, so I think he's sleeping/working/whatever now and when he's back he will contribute.
Well then what do you make of his post, my debunking of it and Cava's response? Don't think you had an input into that.
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Reading Vivax I remembered another mistake by oats.
Damn it oats, stop playing like this, I'd hate to lynch you and then you flipping green.
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I can understand why you think I was horrible multiple times if it is in regards to DP but it's simply the fact that he is not a pleasant person behind closed doors and is pretty crude with some of the things he says about people and thinks he's the god send to mafia when in fact he's just another person.
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On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me.
I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods.
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On May 06 2014 09:59 Holyflare wrote:I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods.
Will I find different posts of his in the thread than in his filter? lol
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On May 06 2014 10:02 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 09:59 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me. I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods. Will I find different posts of his in the thread than in his filter? lol
No but you can read the position they are in the thread by hitting the # button on the post and reading the context of them, just finding it interesting when you have the complete opposite read to me about Vivax and I want to know if you've actually read him in detail or are just spouting off something you think is true.
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On May 06 2014 10:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 10:02 Steveling wrote:On May 06 2014 09:59 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me. I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods. Will I find different posts of his in the thread than in his filter? lol No but you can read the position they are in the thread by hitting the # button on the post and reading the context of them, just finding it interesting when you have the complete opposite read to me about Vivax and I want to know if you've actually read him in detail or are just spouting off something you think is true.
Well, say your opinion then about him.
I'm meanwhile reading the thread.
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There are no mistakes. Also stevling seems to think im more likely to flip town. Is there any reason why mistakes = scum, stevling?
Also I reread holyflares filter and I retract my scumread.
##vote mderg
After thinking about vivax, I realised that his town read on me is really premature and the reasons he used are incorrect. H could flip scum too. I think I pretty much played exactly like the last 2 scumgames when he gave me the scumread so no real reason to think im town at the juncture
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On May 06 2014 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
There are no mistakes. Also stevling seems to think im more likely to flip town. Is there any reason why mistakes = scum, stevling?
Also I reread holyflares filter and I retract my scumread.
##vote mderg
I just explained it earlier, if you make silly mistakes you are antitown.
You will either get lynched or get pushed on your bad reads.
As I said it's the exact same thing I exploit when I'm scum.
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God damn it I feel like I've wasted the past day of my life because you can't be bothered to read the thread in the first place:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 06 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.
With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today. You mafia vivax? Biggest load of bs contained in 2 paragraphs I've ever read. You're throwing around words like "misunderstood" or "misreads" instead of lying to get a towny lynched by any means possible. Show nested quote +wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often. Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too) I literally said that meta shit because it sounded nice and convincing and had a decent chance of being correct. Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 06 2014 00:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you know how to play this game Holyflare? Half of the battle comes when town decides that their ego is too large to sheep people without so called "good cases" So what, you make up points to try and get someone lynched when you don't know whether the points are actually accurate or not? Is that what you are seriously sticking to? I dont see what accuracy has to do with anything. Fact is, what convinces me is not what convinces other people and if I have to lie my ass off to get other people to listen, I dont see anything wrong with that. How can you possible defend oats saying he misread or misinterpreted when he said that he lied himself when he got caught out and then instead of you know, playing the game he just said how i am so mafia and wasn't doing anything instead of you know.... playing the rest of the game? His "in your face" town style is also wrong meta because in catastrophe he was exactly the same and was mafia. On May 06 2014 06:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really really dont like that Balla decides to propose a random lynch without mentioning any of the stuff that happened so far, and he never even explained why he wanted to random lynch. Feels a lot like he wants to be intentionally random and posted without having anything to say, indicative of a mafia mindset.
yay sandro is actually playing the game \o/ Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also robik rage voting dandel and then voting for iamp unexplained also feels bad, not noob bad but scum bad.
Like hes faking the rage against dandel right so he votes for him, then he feels like maybe he can get more support for an iamp lynch and is just testing the waters with his vote. Townies always have a reason for voting someone and its so early in the game it cant really be a trap or anything. Robik you gotta explain yourself.
These (^^^) are his first 2 posts from catastrophe, compare them to the first posts here: Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.
Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason. Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think koshi is faking his nonchalant town play. Feels extremely fake. Thrawn too chill to be scum. It's like, identical styles. In the top we see mafia Oatsmaster. In the bottom we see mafia Oatsmaster. On May 06 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +
If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?
This is also factually incorrect, he never calls you scum at all: Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 02:38 Cavalinho wrote:On May 06 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:However, I do note that the differences between Titanic and here is that Vivax "wants to know more" here, whereas he states in Titanic things are fact. Which brings me to Koshi's response. I want him to answer this first before I go to any conclusions but it was a super odd response after just berating people for calling cav suspicious: On May 06 2014 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On May 05 2014 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why it is scummy. I don't understand how everybody takes everything serious what Cav did and tries to spin it into something scummy. On May 05 2014 21:11 Koshi wrote:
that actually sounds smart. koshi if that's the reason vivax came up with for disliking cav's reply and you liked his response then what did you LIKE about it in the first place to write this? Why does anyone have to like anything about my post in the first place? It was a post I made when everyone was goofing off, and then all of a sudden I start watching out for L-2 botes and I'm the most suspicious guy in the thread? Wtf? How is that even a logical conclusion to jump to at all? I do want to hear more from Koshi I guess, but Vivax is super suspicious to me right now. Steveling is doing silly shit too, but is pushing a possible inconsistency. I can see his line of thinking making sense, albeit being incorrect. Vivax is twisting shit. Why would I bother mentioning you at all in a joke post? Why would I willingly just put you at L-2 for no reason whatsoever, off of yet another joke post? Furthermore, why would I need to justify myself when the case on you is obviously fake? What are you trying to pull? He calls you out on legitimate queries. It's a joke post, everyone saw it as a joke post and he explained his reasoning for the joke post and then you treated it like a real post, which IS weird (like I already said). So really vivax your post says nothing and you're not even representing what is happening in the game properly, not to mention the meta that doesn't align with oats. What gives? On May 06 2014 08:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 07:47 Cavalinho wrote:On May 06 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On May 06 2014 07:32 Cavalinho wrote:On May 06 2014 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I just wanted to know more about that post. What was serious and whatnot, hence I find it quite a bit of overreaction from Cava to give me "super suspicion" and say I'm twisting things cause I stated my thoughts about his post (upon request!) without even being judgmental about him.
It's not like I'm sure about his alignment yet, neither about Holyflare's, but the latter seems to follow a very aggressive approach to the game and that gives me neg vibes. Anyway gonna give some of my thoughts about the two now.
If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?
Cause I don't call him scum, I don't say he's twisting things, I simply say that I found his post defensive, giving a reason for something that in his eyes should be trivial since it stems from a joke, a reason that at the same time allows him to not give a read on me (hence evasive).
He doesn't have to agree with the same logic, but does the logic I use at the same time make me scum for using it? That pattern of thinking is missing in Cava's response as I see other people being able to at least understand my point of view, of which I don't claim that it constitutes ultimately damning evidence.
Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.
With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today. I think a combination of tone and a logical leap (asking more about a post that others have found relatively towny because I didn't include you in it) made me think less of you at the time. The only thing I really don't like about this post is that I feel like you're martyring yourself by saying "wtf Cav thinks I'm scummy how dare he." I still don't understand why you would expect me to give a read of you based off of nothing. I don't feel like any of my reads are relatively strong with the exception of HF, and even then I wouldn't put money on what I currently think of him. If I even had to give anyone a read on you right now...I'd say it's rather null for the moment. I don't think "suspicious" warrants the same response as "I'm going to vote you and push you until you die." There's a clear difference between the two, and I feel like this post was made, in part, to make me look bad. Maybe I'm overreacting, maybe I'm not. I don't really know what to think of you yet. I think you're null...For the moment. Presumably you've read the thread. What do you think of that post now that I've already disproved it all as nonsense and misrepresenting things happening in the thread? I think it's a very manipulative post. The whole thing plays out like a way of making me look bad without actually outright saying anything against me. It smells like the equivalent of putting your hand up away from someone and then pointing a finger at them behind it. I'm beginning to think Vivax is scummy. I want to see him post more though, I don't want to get sucked into a one-way train of thought. Ok well, how about this: What reason does a towny have to post a manipulative post such as that? What reason does scum have to post a manipulative post such as that? I think if you talk it through it will be quite evident what you are already thinking in the back of your mind. ^^^^ is implied that there is no town motive behind what Vivax posted
He's posted pretty much nothing. His one post of substance completely relies on false Oats meta and he ignores that Oats himself said that he lied and paints me in a scummy light for saying that oats did lie. It shows that he isn't reading the thread, he's hardcore defending a player based on wrong logic and random things (he did this in the last game as mafia on cavalinho). He has like half a page of filter and tries to paint cavalinho as scummy for calling him scum when that just wasn't the case at all. He has no investment in the game (something that rolling scum twice in a row would do) and is pretty much saying nonsense.
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On May 06 2014 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
There are no mistakes.
When did the bolded thing happened?
On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.
Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason.
You realise that you just made another mistake.
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On May 06 2014 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
There are no mistakes. Also stevling seems to think im more likely to flip town. Is there any reason why mistakes = scum, stevling?
Also I reread holyflares filter and I retract my scumread.
##vote mderg
After thinking about vivax, I realised that his town read on me is really premature and the reasons he used are incorrect. H could flip scum too. I think I pretty much played exactly like the last 2 scumgames when he gave me the scumread so no real reason to think im town at the juncture
Dare I ask..... can you elaborate on your read on me............?
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Mistakes implies that it is unintentional.
What about mderg hf?
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On May 06 2014 10:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mistakes implies that it is unintentional.
What about mderg hf?
Do you srly mean you lied?
Explain.
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