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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 06 2014 01:16 GMT
#361
Steveling, you gotta explain how me making that 'mistake' makes me scum.
No gg, No skill.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 06 2014 01:17 GMT
#362
On May 06 2014 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Steveling, you gotta explain how me making that 'mistake' makes me scum.


This is the 3rd post that I make on this subject, reading was hard in elementary school?

I said I don't believe you are scum, for fucks sake.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 06 2014 01:17 GMT
#363
Im pretty sure I meant cav there. Names changed to protect the individual.
No gg, No skill.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 06 2014 01:21 GMT
#364
Koshis filter in a nutshell

On May 05 2014 18:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys whats up. i have nothing to contribute atm. but i am down to chat

What do you make of Steve?



On May 05 2014 19:10 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 19:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'm so so town. next question.

Who is the most scummy Oats or Holyflare?



On May 05 2014 22:07 Koshi wrote:
on another note

Hi mderg!


On May 06 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:
Time to sleep.

Poofter fill in 8 names:

towniest town that towned:
Leaning town:
Leaning scum:
Scummiest scummer that scummed:


3 pages of filter with nothing to say.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 06 2014 01:22 GMT
#365
Well I just did dare! Answer me fooool!

Mderg... I'm not going to lie I have no fooking clue. He was lynchbait in Cell mafia when I played with him and his activity has been low in the games I checked of him previously and in Cell. I liked that he was on you for a bit but I am biased because it's me.

I'm not sure I can reconcile these things together though:

On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it?

On May 06 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:
I still think Oats play was shit, he might be scum but that´s too big of a tell for just one stupid case.


On May 06 2014 09:12 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
booom boom boom.

Mderg is scum too ok for sure.

Vivax was metaing me and all that so Im meh. I dont think Im playing too different from my scum games though. Although he isnt saying that I wasnt lying, hes saying that I didnt explain myself in a 'townie' way.

Im just baffled at the amount of nonsense you say to the thread apparently believing in it.

lying to lynch someone is fine. I wouldnt lie as scum though, too easy to get caught out.

I was about to post that I don´t agree with holy on you being scum, you made a bad case but in no way did you lie "to get a towny lynched by any means possible". I´d just call it a bad case based on wrong meta. Incidentally Holy made a case on me in cell mini mafia, also backed up with bad meta reasoning. He was town btw.

I don´t like this post, though. What´s with "Mderg is scum too ok for sure."? Some explanation would be good.

Lying to lynch someone is imo only fine in very few cases. Not with a weak case like yours, though.


He goes from saying that you are just making things up, thinks your play is poop and doesn't know if you are scum -> doesn't agree with me that you are scum because suddenly it could just be bad meta...?


If he was reading he'd know you said:

On May 05 2014 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
I did say that reason. Are you not paying attention Holyflare?
The reason why i said that meta stuff is because it sounded nice and I had no way to check.
and would realise you made the entirety of it up so it shows that at least he isn't reading but unless he posts more it's still just a murky nullish for me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 06 2014 01:26 GMT
#366
Let me just clarify something oats. You have only pushed me this game because of out of game reasons?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 06 2014 01:49 GMT
#367
On May 06 2014 10:21 Steveling wrote:
Koshis filter in a nutshell

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 18:43 Koshi wrote:
On May 05 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys whats up. i have nothing to contribute atm. but i am down to chat

What do you make of Steve?



Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 19:10 Koshi wrote:
On May 05 2014 19:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'm so so town. next question.

Who is the most scummy Oats or Holyflare?



Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 22:07 Koshi wrote:
on another note

Hi mderg!


Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:
Time to sleep.

Poofter fill in 8 names:

towniest town that towned:
Leaning town:
Leaning scum:
Scummiest scummer that scummed:


3 pages of filter with nothing to say.


10/10, could lynch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 06 2014 01:50 GMT
#368
This game is dumb, I only have like 2 townreads/potentially 3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 06 2014 01:50 GMT
#369
people gotta start playing
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 06 2014 01:56 GMT
#370
On May 06 2014 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
There are no mistakes. Also stevling seems to think im more likely to flip town. Is there any reason why mistakes = scum, stevling?
Also I reread holyflares filter and I retract my scumread.
##vote mderg

After thinking about vivax, I realised that his town read on me is really premature and the reasons he used are incorrect. H could flip scum too. I think I pretty much played exactly like the last 2 scumgames when he gave me the scumread so no real reason to think im town at the juncture


Can you elaborate on this, you give 0 reasoning for your mderg vote but then a lot of reasons why vivax could flip scum but seemingly your vote falls on the person with no explanation? Why mderg over vivax?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 06 2014 01:57 GMT
#371
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449777-glory-seeker-mini-mafia-voting-thread

There is also a voting thread you should be posting in.......
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 06 2014 02:10 GMT
#372
Well, whatever, I'm going to bed. Don't spam the thread toooo much............. -.-
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
May 06 2014 02:41 GMT
#373
I'm gonna bote Vivax.

@Steveling how in the world is Vivax town again? You haven't really explained your read at all, and you've deliberately ignored Vivax's worst post in favor of making Koshi look bad.
Spectaticle
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 06 2014 02:45 GMT
#374
I just don't see anything weird in his posts.
Mby because we agree on your situation, don't know.

Why do you think he's scum though?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
May 06 2014 02:52 GMT
#375
On May 06 2014 07:32 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I just wanted to know more about that post. What was serious and whatnot, hence I find it quite a bit of overreaction from Cava to give me "super suspicion" and say I'm twisting things cause I stated my thoughts about his post (upon request!) without even being judgmental about him.

It's not like I'm sure about his alignment yet, neither about Holyflare's, but the latter seems to follow a very aggressive approach to the game and that gives me neg vibes. Anyway gonna give some of my thoughts about the two now.

If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?

Cause I don't call him scum, I don't say he's twisting things, I simply say that I found his post defensive, giving a reason for something that in his eyes should be trivial since it stems from a joke, a reason that at the same time allows him to not give a read on me (hence evasive).

He doesn't have to agree with the same logic, but does the logic I use at the same time make me scum for using it? That pattern of thinking is missing in Cava's response as I see other people being able to at least understand my point of view, of which I don't claim that it constitutes ultimately damning evidence.

Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.

With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today.


I think a combination of tone and a logical leap (asking more about a post that others have found relatively towny because I didn't include you in it) made me think less of you at the time. The only thing I really don't like about this post is that I feel like you're martyring yourself by saying "wtf Cav thinks I'm scummy how dare he."

I still don't understand why you would expect me to give a read of you based off of nothing. I don't feel like any of my reads are relatively strong with the exception of HF, and even then I wouldn't put money on what I currently think of him. If I even had to give anyone a read on you right now...I'd say it's rather null for the moment. I don't think "suspicious" warrants the same response as "I'm going to vote you and push you until you die." There's a clear difference between the two, and I feel like this post was made, in part, to make me look bad.

Maybe I'm overreacting, maybe I'm not. I don't really know what to think of you yet. I think you're null...For the moment.


Because these things, except replace null with scum.
Spectaticle
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 06 2014 04:24 GMT
#376
On May 06 2014 11:52 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 07:32 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 06 2014 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I just wanted to know more about that post. What was serious and whatnot, hence I find it quite a bit of overreaction from Cava to give me "super suspicion" and say I'm twisting things cause I stated my thoughts about his post (upon request!) without even being judgmental about him.

It's not like I'm sure about his alignment yet, neither about Holyflare's, but the latter seems to follow a very aggressive approach to the game and that gives me neg vibes. Anyway gonna give some of my thoughts about the two now.

If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?

Cause I don't call him scum, I don't say he's twisting things, I simply say that I found his post defensive, giving a reason for something that in his eyes should be trivial since it stems from a joke, a reason that at the same time allows him to not give a read on me (hence evasive).

He doesn't have to agree with the same logic, but does the logic I use at the same time make me scum for using it? That pattern of thinking is missing in Cava's response as I see other people being able to at least understand my point of view, of which I don't claim that it constitutes ultimately damning evidence.

Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.

With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today.


I think a combination of tone and a logical leap (asking more about a post that others have found relatively towny because I didn't include you in it) made me think less of you at the time. The only thing I really don't like about this post is that I feel like you're martyring yourself by saying "wtf Cav thinks I'm scummy how dare he."

I still don't understand why you would expect me to give a read of you based off of nothing. I don't feel like any of my reads are relatively strong with the exception of HF, and even then I wouldn't put money on what I currently think of him. If I even had to give anyone a read on you right now...I'd say it's rather null for the moment. I don't think "suspicious" warrants the same response as "I'm going to vote you and push you until you die." There's a clear difference between the two, and I feel like this post was made, in part, to make me look bad.

Maybe I'm overreacting, maybe I'm not. I don't really know what to think of you yet. I think you're null...For the moment.


Because these things, except replace null with scum.



I don't see how your post explains and asnwers to vivax's post at all.
Can you elaborate?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
May 06 2014 06:53 GMT
#377
Sure.

Vivax questioned me and said that my post was scummy, because I didn't feel like putting someone at L-2 based on fucking around early game. He also said that I didn't mention him, which was also scummy...Somehow.

He gets called on it and he makes this big huge post about how I called him superscum (I didn't) based on him inquiring about my early post. He says that I said he was twisting things (he is) and starts martyring himself, trying to make me look bad in the process. (Cav is overreacting, Cav is defensive, lalalalala.)

It's a manipulative post and I really, really don't like it. I don't think it was a post that was meant to be answered, but to be dealt with.

Does that help?
Spectaticle
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 06 2014 07:01 GMT
#378
You were defensive indeed though.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
May 06 2014 07:12 GMT
#379
On May 06 2014 10:22 Holyflare wrote:
Well I just did dare! Answer me fooool!

Mderg... I'm not going to lie I have no fooking clue. He was lynchbait in Cell mafia when I played with him and his activity has been low in the games I checked of him previously and in Cell. I liked that he was on you for a bit but I am biased because it's me.

I'm not sure I can reconcile these things together though:

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it?

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:
I still think Oats play was shit, he might be scum but that´s too big of a tell for just one stupid case.


Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 09:12 mderg wrote:
On May 06 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
booom boom boom.

Mderg is scum too ok for sure.

Vivax was metaing me and all that so Im meh. I dont think Im playing too different from my scum games though. Although he isnt saying that I wasnt lying, hes saying that I didnt explain myself in a 'townie' way.

Im just baffled at the amount of nonsense you say to the thread apparently believing in it.

lying to lynch someone is fine. I wouldnt lie as scum though, too easy to get caught out.

I was about to post that I don´t agree with holy on you being scum, you made a bad case but in no way did you lie "to get a towny lynched by any means possible". I´d just call it a bad case based on wrong meta. Incidentally Holy made a case on me in cell mini mafia, also backed up with bad meta reasoning. He was town btw.

I don´t like this post, though. What´s with "Mderg is scum too ok for sure."? Some explanation would be good.

Lying to lynch someone is imo only fine in very few cases. Not with a weak case like yours, though.


He goes from saying that you are just making things up, thinks your play is poop and doesn't know if you are scum -> doesn't agree with me that you are scum because suddenly it could just be bad meta...?


If he was reading he'd know you said:

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
I did say that reason. Are you not paying attention Holyflare?
The reason why i said that meta stuff is because it sounded nice and I had no way to check.
and would realise you made the entirety of it up so it shows that at least he isn't reading but unless he posts more it's still just a murky nullish for me.

Why do I even bother reading this thread, if you´re saying I don´t read it anyway?

I was saying that he´s not 100% scum for his case on you, not that he´s town. Just because I don´t read things the same way as you it doesn´t mean that I don´t read this thread. You´re really pissing me off this game.



I don´t like koshi´s play.
On May 06 2014 06:30 Koshi wrote:
Oats D1 is always good. Either alignment. He can be in your face on D1. In PYP he had like 10 pages filter D1 & D2 and then 2 page filter in the next 4 days.

This sounds like wanting to policy lynch Oats when there are actual leads that go somewhere, there are reads in the thread, so I don´t like the post.

Also, what´s thrawn doing right now, I want to hear more from him.
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
May 06 2014 07:17 GMT
#380
On May 06 2014 16:01 Steveling wrote:
You were defensive indeed though.


I've survived to Day 2 a grand total of one time.

One.

Out of 5 games.

You think I'm not going to get defensive quickly? The town has proven to be my worst enemy, over and over again, for poor reasons. I don't trust any case being built up on me at any point to be left alone for any period of time.

Furthermore, why do you ignore all of the other points that I've made?
Spectaticle
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