You Only Shoot Once Mafia

On April 27 2014 07:05 justanothertownie wrote:

Your blind worshipping is just getting on my nerves tbh. Foolishness did exactly this to WoS in the shadow game. As long as almighty Foolishness doesn't explain to me why prplhz is scummy I will just ignore him and you should too. At least if you have no scumread on that guy on your own.

On April 27 2014 07:30 Alakaslam wrote:

Y?

I simply show thee the way, for you see I am well practiced in the art.

On April 27 2014 07:33 Alakaslam wrote:

This is quality music indeed.

I am considering dayvigging! Can y'all guess who?

On April 27 2014 08:05 geript wrote:

He's coming into the game really bitter and that seems off even if somewhat understandable (not game related). He's also just doing things that feel exceptionally odd for him; like I've seen him sheep before but not foolishness and not this early. He takes a really weird approach to me; I think after Cell where he read me correctly he'd take a more "ignore wholly and let develop" approach. Instead he's being a bit nitty about things. Plus how he's approached the Caller/Palmer situation looks like he's already knowing the flips. It's just a lot of little things that 1. I don't think town Koshi would do and 2. Don't show him poking in good directions. He's a good player and I expect better reads from him than this.

@Wave. Why didn't you answer me in our secret love language and instead made an obvious claim?
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On April 27 2014 08:32 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yeah I disagree, he feels exactly like the Koshi I've seen in basically every game ever. Whether that makes him town or scum this time around I dunno. And as for you, I know you're all tryhard a lot lately, but cool down a bit imo. Not a whole lot going on for you to go cray-cray about yet.

And as for your question? Because 'our secret love-language' is something only you really seem to understand. Besides, even if my claim was obvious, should I have a reason for keeping my role a secret?

Oh I think I remember what it was I was gonna say!
Koshi I know you get all 'I tunnel people who call me scum' and whatnot, but that didn't work particularly well in Survivor, did it? I didn't back down, and you didn't exactly tunnel me either (which maybe would have worked).

On April 27 2014 00:37 strongandbig wrote:


Ok I never thought I would be agreeing with caller so early but here we are... VE just feels scummy here.

On April 27 2014 02:22 strongandbig wrote:
Okay so palmar is now threatening to somehow mysteriously ruin the day for town unless we dayvig caller.

(1) Is this because he thinks caller is scum? I don't see any evidence of that. So palmar's being pissy. Last game he fucked off because he was pissed at the setup having too many third party players. He was town (but he lost his extra wincon basically because of that, if he had kept playing we would have bought more stuff from him.)

(2) But yeah, this doesn't make me think palmar is scum. Actually, if he really does have some power to mess with town he would presumably use it without warning to cause extra chaos, so he's probably either lying scum or pissed off town.

(3) Actually, now that I think of it, when I look at the player list and say "who is the most likely to overreact as town and rage-use a power when I shoot them", palmar is in the top two or three for me together with rol and oatsmaster. Not sure what to make of that. Presumably if palmar's town and caller is scum, caller doesn't know palmar's role. So if caller is scum, and still goads palmar like that, he's likely bulletproof in some way.

On April 27 2014 13:47 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Kosher;
serious responds :'(
I'm basically Rayn 2.0!
Rayn my #1.. so obv we have to live on his traditions.
If you keep dodging me I'm going to feel cold and betrayed!
I might even feel obligated to think you're totes scum for it.
I just want to understand you!

On April 28 2014 01:38 strongandbig wrote:

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So koshi's reason why I'm scum is that I have strange reads. Lets talk about this in detail.

First paragraph: I had a gut "this is scummy" reaction when I saw ve's post. I didn't have it on rereading but the thing you're quoting is from my initial read through post. Anyway you're committing a fallacy here. When a player makes a post about another player, what that post says about the poster and what it says about the subject of the post are two independent questions. First, because pre flip connection theories are inherently unreliable; and second, because even if the poster is scum, his post can still be attacking either another townie or a scumbuddy, and judging the post based on the perceived alignment of the poster is therefore an exercise in wifom.
What I'm saying is, even though caller did throw a nuke and looked like scum, I try to judge whether I agree with his reactions and reasoning about other players separately from whether I think those reactions and reasoning make him scum. Sometimes those conclusions feed into each other, like if someone's reasoning is bad and I can find a scum motivation for that bad reasoning.

So yes, I do "quote a post of Caller saying you totally agree with him about his VE read without taking into account this guy just dropped a nuke."

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Now, point (1). You're twisting my words here. I didn't say I couldn't see why palmar might think caller is scum. Palmar had not posted a single thing at that point either accusing caller of being scum, or explaining why he thought caller was scum. I thought and still think it was more likely that palmar had simply raged out at caller and wanted him dead regardless of caller's alignment.
Plus, the merchant stuff wasn't useless filler; it was evidence that palmar is the kind of player who will rage out and play counterproductively if he gets pissed off, because that's what his play looked like to me in the later parts of catastrophe.

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Point (2) - do you honestly disagree? At this point, Palmar thought like everyone else did that the nuke would land at deadline. Saving the pardoner power until deadline rather than soft-claiming it seems like much stronger scum play to me. First explain why this is incorrect or non-townie logic from me, then call me scum for it.

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Point (3) - my entire read of palmar at this point was based on the fact that he was pissed off at caller for nuking him. That's like the whole reasoning I explained in the paragraph that you labelled (1). How is that me knowing palmar is scum? Like, how does this show me having extra information at all?
Also, you're not reading what I wrote again. What I said was that if caller is scum and palmar is town, then caller would likely be bulletproof or something, because palmar is likely to attack back.
As scum, I do think a town palmar makes sense as a target for a nuke. It's getting rid of a strong town player, plus palmar is likely to rage and create chaos. The problem is, palmar is also the kind of target I would expect from a troll caller, for the same reason.

Anyway - none of the points in this case actually make sense. They don't connect to what I said at all. Koshi is building a case for me being scum but it doesn't engage with what I actually said, it just works it into a fake narrative that I'm scum.

On April 28 2014 09:25 austinmcc wrote:
To be nice, and because I'd like to see more from you,

##donate: 3 posts to Koshi

That last one put you one over what you had, dunno if there are repercussions, but now you can at least post 2x more. I BEEN WATCHIN' YOU, KOSHI.

Why swing back in with a nothingpost, when knowing you're working on borrowed/lessthanborrowed posts, to throwaway that JAT is mafia? Do you supermega<3 Foolishness's post on SnB? I know you were scummy on SnB yourself, but how does Foolishness's post, in particular, read to you?

On April 28 2014 09:32 sandroba wrote:
So far I got as possible scum foolishness oats slam and possibly koshi and bh. I'm fair game to kill any of these today.

On April 29 2014 05:26 justanothertownie wrote:

What a rebel!

Sandro, I don't have a scumread on you but I don't see why anyone is guaranteed to be scum for not townreading you tbh. Like Koshi said - what about Vayne? Also, watch out for your post limit.

Koshi, did your reads change after that flip?

On April 29 2014 05:40 justanothertownie wrote:

No shit. ^_^

Nothing else changed? You still "know" VA is town?
Why is geript scum?
Why is foolishness scum now?

On April 29 2014 05:54 geript wrote:
I'm back to Koshi being scum

On April 29 2014 17:37 Palmar wrote:
Maybe you do the explaining thing now so I don't do the lynch Ace thing.



How?



How? Not that I agree with both jat and oden. But still, wtf happened?



Why?

#wastedpost
Ace will never actually explain any of this as either alignment because he's a cowboy.

On April 29 2014 21:13 Palmar wrote:
Like does no one but me care that Ceph is literally claiming traitor?

On April 26 2014 22:18 Cephiro wrote:
Koshi: How does he know there is a traitor? Unless he simply pointed out that he's one and wants to be recruited. Scumbag.

On April 29 2014 21:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm about to head to bed after this post but I'll just say that I have a day shot and right now and its most likely getting used today people that were red in my first post are who I'm looking at. I think that Koshi/Foolishness 1 is town 1 is scum almost always. I think they're both too good to both be scum here but could easily feed off the other that is town in an attempt to pocket/shuck the blame on each other when things go south.

Oats was the other lynch for yesterday he was at one point I believe tied with SNB. Austin brings up a really good point that Oats was saying caller was town for nuking Palmer and it was so dumb he couldn't be scum but then Oats voted Slam instantly for doing something similar without hesitation. Read austin's filter I was trying to find this post and turns out austin talks about Oats a lot so don't search the word "oats" I don't have much to add on the case as austin did I think a really good job on it. It was much stronger than the SNB case and I think it not getting pushed over was most likely mafia not wanting to.

Slam - I can't read you. You shot in a weird in scummy way especially if multiple scum people show up in the voters that were on SNB at the time of Yam's threat. You are a question mark for me in every game we've ever played and that pushes you from "I have no clue" to "wow he did something scummy better lynch him" to me.

My main reads however are Koshi and Foolishness (these are my two most likely shots today as I think a) they're the most scummy and b) I don't think town will be able to consolidate on one and they're unlikely to both be scum)

I will make a bigger post when I wake up highlighting the scumminess with quotes and shit but for now:

Koshi He made this case on SNB and it got band wagoned if he is town here he would be excited I think that SNB his scum read was going to get lynched and be pushing for it (look at how austin the town hero was pushing for Oats) he would be asking questions and trying to really get people on his side for the lynch because obviously finding scum is amazing. Instead Koshi posts such inspiring posts as:






^^
Good job here pre distancing from the lynch he started.





He doesn't try to rally the town behind him ask others questions about his case the only thing he asked was to SNB "Am I scum?" He spends more time defending Oats than he does pushing his own lynch: + Show Spoiler +

He doesn't try to give extra reasoning why SnB is scum he basically says he is scum gogogogog. Look at the way austin approached his lynch (imo super townie) and how Koshi did... he was pushing but not and defending the other lynch. I think its super likely Koshi and Oats are both mafia and thats why I put him ahead of Foolishness.

The other thing Koshi has done since day 1 right after the night phase ended:

He basically clears Oats and Slam because of geripts reads right after the shot and basically straight sheeps him with the Palmer read and now suddenly turns on Foolishness. Foolishness was right with him on day 1 on the lynch on SnB they were buddies he sheeped him instantly with his votes goign against his own reads. If Koshi/Oats/Slam are all mafia the geript shot was the best shot to make imo.

I will post my Foolishness side of the coin tomorrow for now I need sleep and honestly after going through Koshi's filter again he looks so damn scummy its unreal.

On April 29 2014 23:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Koshi?
What are your thoughts on Poofter's 'association tell' calling me scum?
I know you can't really compare between people but HF's recent idea to make bad association cases on purpose as scum kinda resonated with me.
No idea where I'm going with this honestly

On April 30 2014 00:27 Caller wrote:
we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now.

On April 30 2014 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:

Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't?

Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town.

On April 29 2014 21:39 justanothertownie wrote:

I noticed that too. The problem here is that I would not put it past Cephiro to do this as town for some weird ass play. He totally claimed traitor with the recruiting stuff and the "don't shoot me it's not worth it" etc.
Do you think he would be this obvious as scum?
I mean he is a decent shot don't get me wrong, but I am not sure about his alignment.

On April 30 2014 12:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Austin Wouldn't a lynch on Oats garner more info? Like knowing his alignment makes the vote assessment from day 1 really interesting. A shot only flips the results if a Coroner outs or is killed. So having him die by a shot doesn't give us that info for me a flip of Oats gives town solid info either way vote train analysis becomes much better Imo when the alignment of both big trains is known. So I disagree with you sir. Although this Coroner thing is hella townie... I honestly didn't read Yamato too closely because by the time I knew the game was going on Day 1 had ended and I saw the front page with him getting shot (SPOILERS) I'll read his filter and give a real or fake read on him later.


@RoL You planning on hunting any scum today? It seems your posts have just been like 1-2 liners of defending yourself lightly and badly in my opinion. I have no clue who you think is mafia/town care to enlighten me/the rest of town? You're kinda not doing much tbh. Granted you're not the only one that this falls under today who else would you like to hear more from? Me personally Caller/Ceph/Ace/Gum/Odin/Prplhz I'd all want to hear a bit more from.

Ocho!

On April 30 2014 08:40 Tehpoofter wrote:
@ Foolishness, Did you read my case on Koshi? At first I thought it was one of the two of you just from reading and after filter diving Koshi I feel like what he did was get a snowball rolling and instead of pushing it let you get behind it and do the leg work and slightly cheer on the sidelines "go team" knowing SNB was town and defending his potential buddy in Oats more than pushing his lynch. I really liked your post you bring up RoL sheeping you and I read his filter after your post and he really hasn't done much at all and not coming through with his promise is scummy. My question is him sheeping you is odd what do you think of Koshi's post here:


Especially when Koshi follows it up saying he thinks prphlz might be town/doesn't know why hes scummy but basically hes voting because you said so???
+ Show Spoiler +

Can you go into a bit further detail on what you think of Palmer? like basically you're saying "I think he's town but I'd vote he's also not the best case" Ill look through your filter for a case you have on Palmer after this but I don't recall it.


@town I Think Koshi is most definitely the scum between Foolish and Koshi.... look at the way they've played the game Koshi brings up a case on SNB but doesn't ever really push it he also defends the other lynch candidate Oats who if you read Austin's case looks scummy as well. I feel like he also REALLY wanted the Geript kill to be meaningful and brought it up very very quickly after the day start something I think mafia does because they know who is going to die. I am most likely shooting Koshi before days end unless some people I find townie can convince me otherwise (I'm looking at you austin, odin, ace, palmer, foolish). I think the lynch needs to be between Oats/WoS/BH/RoL I am going to read filters on them and decide where to place my vote. Koshi you have about 12 hours or so to convince me you're town or you'll be the proud owner of a bullet!

On May 01 2014 02:35 Alakaslam wrote:

That's really scummy, scummy enough to vote for

On May 01 2014 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi everyone!

So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro.

Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did.

Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo.

Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response:



No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more.

My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so.

On May 01 2014 07:07 Palmar wrote:
I'm not scum Koshi, stop it.