On May 04 2014 06:10 justanothertownie wrote: We definitely kill Blazinghand. I still think Foolishness is also mafia but I promise to keep an open mind if BH flips scum. There have been worse posts than that one.
Why BH over slam?
More specifically, you had BH/slam/Foolishness all mafia in your reads post last night. If you believe Cephiro, one of slam/BH is town.
BH oddly hard-defended Foolishness, Foolishness has decided to vote BH today, blah blah
You asked slam to participate, give reads, so we could tell whether he/BH is town. Slam didn't do so.
You're set on BH now.
What're the connecting thought patterns between those?
On May 04 2014 06:48 justanothertownie wrote: Like austin your problem seems to be that you find alakaslam scummy - not that you think BH is town, right? Take a look at what BH did and tell me why that's his townplay if you want to convince me. You won't do that by telling me what slam did could potentially be scummy.
My main problem is just wanting more STUFF in the thread. For a game with post limits, ever since D1 nobody has been getting into big trouble on posting, and there's boatloads of fucking off. It's the weekend, so that's not unnatural, but I'm in favor of less fucking off and just more STUFF in the thread. From both town AND mafia.
BH's filter never looks good when I reread it. The ol' "swap to oats, NO WAIT THERE'S AN HOUR LEFT, swap back to SnB!" bit. I'm willing to vote oats ---> D2 starts and oats is scummy but he wants to push gumshoe ----> foolishness is trying to trap me in QT with oats meta, but look how oats is posting here in a different manner than he was posting in a game where he was mafia ---> voting oats for no real reason ---> hey guys, let's shennanies to a random different target is butt. Going straight from gumshoe --> oats because "we're not lynching fool" yesterday, without considering other options (and still later wanting to shennany onto palmar, real or fake). None of it's groovy.
There's like, one post that I find pretty townie, but I don't think it's quite on "can't be scum" level.
SOMETIMES WHEN I TRY TO POST WHAT I THINK SOMEONE IS THINKING IN A SLIGHTLY MOCKING MANNER I AM BAD WITH PRONOUNS AND THINGS ARE DIFFICULT TO READ MAKE SENSE OF
In the second paragraph above, BH has all of the following thoughts
I'm willing to vote Oats D1 for a lynch D2 is starting and Oats is scummy but let's lynch Gumshoe Foolishness is trying to trap me in QT about oats, but I can show that Oats here doesn't look like mafia oats I want gumshoe, but am willing to vote Oats, although I haven't said why him over Fool/RoL/Palmar Hey guys let's shenany onto Palmar
The whole consolidation bit is just odd, given that whether he's serious or not about shenanigans, he chose PALMAR as the alternate target he wanted. Yet when looking between Foolishness/RoL/Palmar/Oats, he wants to not lynch Foolishness, wants to lynch Oats, and wants to say nothing about Palmar, when Palmar was kind of a lynch option and had some votes and whatnot.
On April 28 2014 13:06 strongandbig wrote: I honestly hope town loses. See you in a few months.
Don't quit, 'cause don't worry, we will.
On April 29 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh look I have a post left. Man if I were scum I'd be so happy to be in this game. I think my name has been mentioned/people have talked to me like twice.
Don't really blame people though cause I feel exceptionally unless this time around
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I'll be around after deadline to talk if anyone cares about me caus I won't be dying tonight, ill be around till we lose at endgame
On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever.
Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that.
On May 01 2014 07:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Also fucking Ace----like there is no way all of these apathetic/useless people are scum. This is why we lose. 100% It's so much worse in this game than any of the other large games I've played in. Scum can mislynch into anybody they want right now.
On May 01 2014 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:...
Fuck this game.
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On May 01 2014 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: ...
Alright good this game isn't as hopeless as I thought.
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On May 04 2014 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote: I dunno, I think plan is to stay on course because we're in very good shape if he flips red, it's just that we're in very poor shape if he doesn't.
We have mislynched ONE TIME. Scum has 1 factional KP or we have a smart protect role that stopped KP last night. Nobody here is incapable of making sentences and having rational thoughts. Scum have a harder time hiding as the game keeps going. We maybe have a cop that might possibly stay alive. We probably have 12 more cops that haven't claimed (plz).
Game may move slow, but come on. We're in D3; we lynched scum D2; we have good reason to believe we'll lynch scum D3.
On May 04 2014 08:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Lulz sorry Austin I'm just a negative guy by nature. The reason I said that stuff is more because a town BH flip absolutely doesn't mean we lynch scum D3 because we have to re-evaluate the cop claim and all the other stuff surrounding it before we do anything, and in theory in could just be a massively time waster for scum.
Ain't no thang. But it's not like you've never mislynched before/we've never mislynched before/town has never mislynched 2x and won.
We'd prefer to be in a better spot, but the spot we're in is okay. And we're all awesome townies and so scum is gon' lose. Plus you'll get frown lines, if those are things. And I guess they're ... not good to have.
On May 04 2014 09:45 austinmcc wrote: Anyone in particular pushed you in a scummy manner? Defended you in a scummy manner?
I'll leave some instructions behind for my QT brothers that they can use. Ultimately, I shouldn't be drawing associative tells between unflipped players anyways
X pushed me in a scummy manner isn't associative...
If you're town, you've got 9 votes on you and 7 not. Likely some scum on you. Nobody struck you as particularly scummy for how they got on/off voting you?
Gumshoe, would you care to play the game? What makes you think slam is town? What changed about BH since -
On May 02 2014 23:27 gumshoe wrote: In all seriousness gonna take a hard look at slam and Bh today, Out of the three variables I'm pretty sure Ceph is town, because parity cop is a singular role, ie it's unlikely scum would claim it because if there is a par cop counter it's pretty clear that one is scum.
I read Bh as town so far and I've read Slam as Slam / : so not too keen on lynching either of them, but yeah somethings gotta give between the two.
THINGS THAT YOU JUST CAN'T POST BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE ME CONCERNED
On May 04 2014 10:48 Alakaslam wrote: LIKE YOU MUST NOT BE READ YOU DBZ
Y U NO
LIKE U KNOW ME
OOO NNNN EEEEE LLLLLL EEEEEEE FFFFFFFF TTTTTTTTT
gimme post if you want me talk. So far all my defense is wtf have I even done except the shot and try to clear up misunderstanding surrounding the shot?
On May 04 2014 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I feel comfortable saying that there are scum amongst those not voting BH right now. OH wait wtf for some reason I thought deadline was tomorrow LOL shit
Well the above still stands.
Any specific thoughts, assuming you don't mean BH himself? I checked the list to see exactly who you might be talking about, nobody off BH is really worrisome to me.
VA's comments about this lynch in particular are funky (BH out of his mind, slam a lot scummier tho ----> if BH were town he'd be all up in thread's business, so I like this lynch (it was 7 BH, 1 slam at the time, so no lynch yet and we needed 2 votes) ----> keep vote on palmar)
But otherwise nothing is smacking me in the face like a banana peel about the non-BHers.
On May 04 2014 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Austin do you think we should be lynching Slam over BH right now?
Mixed. After that last gumshoe post I want to lynch gumshoe over EITHER, at least until I forget about it.
Slam isn't posting like what I think townSlam should be posting like. He's stuck in time, just repeating about why he shot yamato or why people shouldn't be scummy on him for shooting yamato. There's no forward motion, no attempts at forward motion, you can't wind him up and get him to go, anything. Gut read would be he's mafia based on that. I don't put tons of credit in "scum wouldn't just blow yamato away / scumteam wouldn't let slam do that", because I've seen mafia slam use his roll in a really weird/scummy way, get called out for it, and then just shut down (Aperture 2 or whatever it was).
I...THINK we should be lynching BH. Not because slam looks town to me, and I'm not even in the "slam looks like slam" camp. I actively think he's scummy, but if I trust the check and only think ONE of them is scum, it's likelier to be BH. I'm not 100% on that, I waver.
Hold onto it if you would, unless you really need to speak immediately on something. If you want to respond to my slam/BH stuff, feel free, otherwise...whatever. Just in case.
On May 04 2014 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Austin do you think we should be lynching Slam over BH right now?
Mixed. After that last gumshoe post I want to lynch gumshoe over EITHER, at least until I forget about it.
Slam isn't posting like what I think townSlam should be posting like. He's stuck in time, just repeating about why he shot yamato or why people shouldn't be scummy on him for shooting yamato. There's no forward motion, no attempts at forward motion, you can't wind him up and get him to go, anything. Gut read would be he's mafia based on that. I don't put tons of credit in "scum wouldn't just blow yamato away / scumteam wouldn't let slam do that", because I've seen mafia slam use his roll in a really weird/scummy way, get called out for it, and then just shut down (Aperture 2 or whatever it was).
I...THINK we should be lynching BH. Not because slam looks town to me, and I'm not even in the "slam looks like slam" camp. I actively think he's scummy, but if I trust the check and only think ONE of them is scum, it's likelier to be BH. I'm not 100% on that, I waver.
I tend to have this effect on people XD
Anything that comes out of the mouth of someone who hasn't posted for 24 hours is scummy / : so cant really blame ya for hearing things that way. I am town though, it's my saving grace if you will, though I doubt it'll actually do much to actually save me : P never does.
Would you please give me like...3 posts or so and we chat for a moment?
Did you actually look back at Slam/BH like you said you were going to? (Serious question that isn't 100% alignment-determinative either way, just wondering)
Your one post is kind of just a massive chunk of "everything oats does is scummy". It's also...odd. Like, for someone who's actively doing nearly nothing, whatever alignment you are, you call oats scum and do a case on him AND ACTUALLY LOOK BACK AT SICILIAN AND COMPARE HIS PLAY HERE TO THERE. I REALLY WISH BH HAD LOOKED AT THAT POST. What made you willing to do a bunch of work on oats, but otherwise barely play?
This is my last post, given that I shipped one to oats (seriously, I'd <3 2-3)
##unvote ##vote: Blazinghand
Nothing happened
Hmmm, okay. We played together in nuclear and doctor who, so I may not have seen "el spark-o magnifico". Why Sicilian specifically, and why only Sicilian?
Beyond that, when you looked at BH/slam filters, anything in particular strike you that you don't think has been brought to thread? I get creeped out when people say they did something and then kind of give cursory or unrelated conclusions.
Thanks for making some posts and donating some posts, Gumshoe.
JAT, gotta see. Him being a traitor means some associative stuff is all wonky now, we dunno whether he was recruited or not (afaik so far). It's like VE in Catasrophe, if BH couldn't communicate with mafia yet, then his filter will be somewhat informative but it's not like they'd be coordinating and he wouldn't KNOW if his reads were correct.
On May 05 2014 06:11 WaveofShadow wrote: So here's the deal Foolishness. It appears as though I'm not going to be able to keep the raving masses from putting your head in a noose tomorrow, so my suggestion to you is to reveal details about your QT. Specifically, who else was recruited with you. If you can't do that, I'm afraid I and everyone else has no choice but to assume you are scum and you will be lynched.
There was once a time where I would be considered for night kill; sadly I fear this time is long past but just in case people need to look into (and by look into I mean lynch with cleansing fire) Poofter. Even if people have found him somewhat towns in some way, think about pure role speculation. We have had a mafia dayvig flip, and we know of two confirmed town dayvigs. Is the more likely scenario to have three town vigs to scum's 1? Unlikely IMO. Poofter is scum 95% (I can't give that marv guarantee no matter how good I feel).
Palmar and caller are worth looking into with some scrutiny as well.
Can you maybe take a more in-depth peek at JAT and poofter?
We 100% poofter is a vig JAT claimed repeatedly to be a vig
We're not working in a world with 4 vigs, we're working with 5 or 4 and a liar for no reason (okay yeah, shoot x ---> ummm, I can't? ---> DED).
On May 05 2014 06:54 WaveofShadow wrote: JAT has been tunnelling Foolishness all game to the exclusion of basically everything else though lying about being vig isn't a scummy thing to do necessarily. I dunno I'd look into him after foolishness and poofter maybe. There are scummier people than him still IMO. This is my last post I think so I dunno wanna comment on my list at all . Or about how to deal with foolishness or poofter?
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Yeah, mostly just trying to save for end of phase in case anything came up.
I fully disagree that lying about being a vig is kosher, but I think I believe his claim. I don't THINK you post this if you're not really gonna be able to shoot (especially because the implication is shot first, lynch after)
On May 01 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote: AUSTIN! Let's make a deal.
I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me.
DEAL?
Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again...
Also the fact that the dude he was considering shooting was oats, or at the very least when he kept asking me I'd say oats was my top read. A world of JAT/foolishness/oats would be really curious given N1/D2 stuff, where JAT seems to be pretty scummy on oats, and was with me in finding some of foolishness's comments regarding oats/the lynch/mafia control of the lynch to be off/wrong/illogical/someotherword. So I'm down with a purely speculatory world where if both JAT and poofter are vigis, and we don't think it's 3-1 or 4-1 in town's favor, JAT would get to be my green vigi and poofter my red.
HOLD ON GOING TO DINNER. I'LL FINISH THINKING ABOUT THIS LATER AND WANT TO LOOK BACK AT POOFTER'S D2 AGAIN CUZ FROM WHAT I REMEMBER HE WAS ALSO ABOARD THE OATS TRAIN. IF BOTH D2s LOOK GOOD THEN GOTTA FIND SOMETHING ELSE.
Kinda intoxicated, gonna be quicker than I thought.
I have liked prplhz in the past, with BH flipping traitor I REALLY like him. Unless BH was recruited, mafia thought it was a town/town shizzle yesterday, with I guess Cephiro as a traitor or something (If Cephiro not OG mafia). Prplhz wanted to lynch FOOLISHNESS instead of BH/slam.
People who wanted to straight up lynch Foolishness instead of BH/slam seem unlikely to be mafia, given that mafia could essentially guarantee 2 mislynches, or at very least 1 mislynch and 1 traitor kill (they know neither BH/slam is mafia mafia, just let town lynch one and then the other). It seems like too big an opportunity for scum to pass up at all. You can split yourselves on BH/slam if you're worried about all being on one side, but KNOWING that neither is mafia mafia means FREE MISLYNCHES to the mafia team. I don't see mafia passing up FREE MISLYNCHES in order to try and push Foolishness. Super especially if Fool is mafia, then prplhz is 200000% cleared (Hi there, I'd like to lynch this dude, who is mafia, instead of FREE MISLYNCHES).
I can't capitalize that enough.
Blah blah. JAT I don't really doubt your claim, it's a silly thing to claim and claim hard if you're not. But WoS was talking about speculation based off 4 vigis with poofter, when at the very least it's 5 vigis or 4 and a lie.
I think that we've lynched scum twice in a row and we have scummy people and tomorrow isn't "let's lynch someone based on maybe speculation" though, not that it needs to be said.
If I die, my list currently has prplz/ceph/slam as untouchable. Most everyone else on the table.
Foolishness is my no-night-kills-no-new-information person for tomorrow. He's been circling so many lynch lists, people who died or would have died were scummy on him, his "mafia didn't worry, but oats is scum, but they didn't worry, oh also oats is mafia" stuff didn't make sense, blah blah blah.
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