On April 20 2014 20:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
well talk to him about it and not me. idk why you are expecting me to either accept your read on him or be able to fill in the gaps in his reads. because that is something i cannot do unless i am kush and i am town

I'm ok with sheeping you guys Thrawn and honestly I've been on / off on Skan all game. Imo he could basically be either town / scum but I accept his reasoning for claiming vig and as he claims to have been rb'd N1 I'd say he did exactly what he wanted to do as town. I voted for him mostly to see how Vivax would respond but what can ya do, if you guys wanna lynch Vivax today I'll follow that.

Anyway I took the above as meaning if Kush was town but I'm just making sure as it could also be interpreted as it was something you couldn't do because you aren't town. It drew a flag but I ignored it as I had you as town and I still do but I just want to make sure that I read this in particular correctly.

Honestly I've got the same list as the rest of you and I think this game is pretty much figured out.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

April 21 2014 23:20 GMT

#1287

thrawn why is mderg town?

OTW why is mderg town?

looking at his filter im seeing nothing town and a lot of things that are scummy. some small, some big

OneThousandWords

Barbados123 Posts

April 21 2014 23:22 GMT

#1288

On April 22 2014 07:24 OneThousandWords wrote:
Seriously I've posted this about 1000x, originally it was mderg/skanjab1s because their argument seemed very faked but the more i looked at koshi the more it made sense. Then koshi died so mderg/skanjab is probably best bet but your afking and complete shutting down of discussion by saying "lynch through this list" is really a strange mindset for a town to have. So I'm gaining rapid suspicion of you which aligns with what i said previously.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

April 21 2014 23:23 GMT

#1289

so you think mderg is scum...ok

OneThousandWords

Barbados123 Posts

April 21 2014 23:24 GMT

#1290

Already expressed why I think he's not town. Wanted to lynch a claimed vigilante (assumed skanjab1s said get me lynched because i won't be around) never really mentioned much about the lynch and then sheeped onto tofu and then slept. Returned and said ObviousOne was clearly scummy when I brought it up only to say he thought he had towny posts the next day. I had a conversation witg him on like page 60 about it.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

April 21 2014 23:27 GMT

#1291

OK THATS COOL. im asking why people are reading him as town.

mderg

Germany1740 Posts

April 22 2014 00:04 GMT

#1292

I really don´t get why people want to lynch Vivax. I´m clearly reading him as town. I mean he was strongly against lynching cav who we now know was town. He was pretty much all over the place while still pushing his scumreads, for me that´s pretty townie. He was also one of the first guys to push OO who turned out to be scum and now he wants to lynch skan which I 100% agree with. Honestly, to me Vivax doesn´t seem scummy at all. It feels as if someone just randomly said he was scummy and suddenly everyone agreed despite reading him as town beforehand.

I´m still very much for lynching skan, maybe I´m focusing on him too much, but I really can´t see any reason why he would be town.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

April 22 2014 00:06 GMT

#1293

mderg who other than skan is scum?

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

April 22 2014 01:00 GMT

#1294

::crickets::

Vivax

21769 Posts

April 22 2014 01:10 GMT

#1295

I'm voting Skanja and going to bed. If you really have to flip me before the liar, you know what to do afterwards. Lynch him and either kush or mderg, I'm still not sure on the both of them.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

April 22 2014 01:15 GMT

#1296

is flip tonight?

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

April 22 2014 01:17 GMT

#1297

i reall ythink we should lynch mderg

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

April 22 2014 01:17 GMT

#1298

vivax is fine too i guess

OmniEulogy

Canada6591 Posts

April 22 2014 01:38 GMT

#1299

On April 22 2014 10:15 kushm4sta wrote:
is flip tonight?

nah flip is tomorrow

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 22 2014 05:03 GMT

#1300

On April 22 2014 08:01 OmniEulogy wrote:

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Anyway I took the above as meaning if Kush was town but I'm just making sure as it could also be interpreted as it was something you couldn't do because you aren't town. It drew a flag but I ignored it as I had you as town and I still do but I just want to make sure that I read this in particular correctly.

yes you read it right.

On April 22 2014 10:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm voting Skanja and going to bed. If you really have to flip me before the liar, you know what to do afterwards. Lynch him and either kush or mderg, I'm still not sure on the both of them.

posts like this are why i want to lynch vivax.

so from a town vivax's point of view, this would be the best he can come up with? i don't buy it.

The first major problem is that vivax isn't considering OTW as possible scum. He's not worried about OTW's alignment at all. In fact he hasn't mentioned OTW since D1. This doesn't have mean anything regarding OTW's alignment, my point is that vivax is not considering all possible suspects.

I really really hate this post:

On April 21 2014 14:47 Vivax wrote:

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This doesn't make any sense and doesn't align with anything I've seen you doing in the last game where you were town.

I claimed miller at the start of D1 and you went "I'll treat it as null cause Vivax has history of ballsy claims as scum". When skanja fakeclaims you see it as townie. You really gotta explain HOW in the world a dude fakeclaiming gets any town points for it, and it better be a good explanation.

This game must not end up like British Empire II, or that last game on OMGUS. It's at danger of becoming another epithome of stupidity. British: Dandel trolls all game long and goes unnoticed for too long. On Omgus Alakaslam doesn't do shit all game long except jump on townie wagons and post his usual rubbish and I get lynched (by thrawn and kush) instead of him after claiming miller and we lose the game.
And I was always there talking to a wall cause people just prefer to adher to a complex version of events where they end up making up by themselves why a townie is scum and a troll is town.

In summary, we should lynch Skanja to not repeat the same mistake other stupid towns did, and figure out who the last scum is. And it's one of mderg or kush. If it's anyone outside of them they deserve to win.

BE II and the omgus toy story game have nothing to do with skan's alignment. Here Vivax is appealing to the emotions of the people who lost BEII/TSM.

So why is vivax voting for skan today? He doesn't have many reasons besides skan's fakeclaim. If Vivax is so sure about skan being scum as he wants us to think he is, I'd expect him to be able to walk us through skan's filter and show us why it's scummy. Even if vivax and skan were both town, if vivax was as sure as he seemes to be, his conf bias would take over and he would interpret everything skan does as scummy and be able to explain it to us. Or if vivax is town and skan is scum then he would have more to say than "lol lynch fakeclaimer."

The last thing that doesn't make sense from a town vivax's perspective is how he claims to be so unsure about mderg and kush.

Vixax is not this bad and if he were town he'd be able to see how obviously townie kush is. I don't believe for a second that from a town vivax perspective, he'd have any trouble figuring out that kush is townier than mderg. And again, why not OTW? Why does his 3rd scum option have to be between kush and mderg?

tldr: the town vivax perspective doesn't make any sense