EPTA random guy named steve claims dimensional lemming as mafia dimensional lemming.
Why is what he did retarded? What is driving you to say that such a claim is retarded?
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austinmcc
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A random guy named steve claims dimensional lemming as mafia dimensional lemming. Why is what he did retarded? What is driving you to say that such a claim is retarded? | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:47 Holyflare wrote: SO HERE'S WHY I ASKi've never seen dimensional lemming in a game before so the only knowledge i have is that it's a mafia role (if i was mafia) and also the fact that i checked the awards thread where lemming was voted best mafia role. So there is no knowledge that lemming COULD be town in this game so there is 0% chance that i would risk claiming lemming this game if i was mafia at the start of the game onwards, that's why it would be retarded (to me at least) You were softhard claiming this on D1. A bunch. This is a 30 person game. 29 of the people are NOT YOU. And the ENTIRE time you're doing this, how many people said "dimensional lemming was a mafia role last time, therefore HF is mafia." I believe the answer is 0. If it's higher, it's like 1-2 max. You have straight up evidence from this game that people don't just connect a role that's been mafia once to being mafia always. How can you think it would be otherwise? You can't honestly say it's retarded and people would think this when you KNOW they don't, because THEY JUST DIDN'T. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:50 Koshi wrote: His list is bad and is the "people not voting" list. There are a number of folks on there who are unlikely to be mafia. why we care so much about HF. His list looks pretty good. He is not lynch material except if he stole this list from people who were going to bring this list public really soonish and HF just posted it fast for town cred. I am lynching many peoples on the list before HF tbh. The kita/foolishness list, modified in a couple ways, is better (drop syllo for his scum claim, drop poofter for being dead, drop amiko for the syllo bit) | ||
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The evidence HAS already happened. D1 happened, nobody cared about your claim and said it meant you were mafia. So it's not okay for you to think, TODAY, that claiming dimensional lemming as mafia is retarded, because you know what happens when you claim dimensional lemming. Nobody calls you mafia for it. | ||
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Which you followed up by saying the green flips didn't say that, and said the people were townie. WHICH IS FALSE. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:59 Holyflare wrote: You DID claim D1 with all your questions.look austin i don't care, i'm talking about the past "it would have been retarded to claim" is implied to be retarded to claim at the start of the day 1 i'm not talking about now You stood up in front of 29 people and said "I really like animals that live in water, and swim, and have gills, animals that we can cook and eat, animals that are grouped into a category that starts with the letter F" 29 people just looked at you You stood up in front of 29-x people the next day and said "It would be stupid for anyone to say they liked Fish. Because people who like Fish in the past have been mafia." We all KNEW you meant you liked fish on D1. And we just looked at you, we didn't call you mafia. So it's entirely illogical for you to think, today, that saying you like fish makes people think you're mafia. BUT THAT'S EVEN BESIDE THE POINT BECAUSE MY REAL PROBLEM IS BEFORE THIS WHOLE BIT. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:17 Holyflare wrote: marv 3p wins with town* is that the only thing you care about? if that 1 person was town reading you or not? On April 08 2014 04:26 Holyflare wrote: it doesn't say "you are a town x" just says "you win with town" so i assumed it was 3p Step 2: HF is told that means you're town On April 08 2014 04:27 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I am town and I also have the sentence "You win with town." in my rolepm. On April 08 2014 04:29 IAmRobik wrote: Mine definitely doesn't say that I'm town, but it says that I win with town. I just assumed that makes me town. On April 08 2014 04:30 Dandel Ion wrote: op says stuff is color-coded normally so everything that flips green/blue is town "you win with town" means you're town this is dumb Step 3: HF's brain does these things On April 08 2014 04:30 Holyflare wrote: Checks role PMs, which didn't say people were town, only that they won with town, and ... either read them entirely wrong or lies.yes my pm says win with town and it doesn't say i'm town and i'm blue so i assumed it was 3p because there have been greens that said they were town and had a power too (i checked and gumshoes doesnt by he has a power and keirathis does and he also had power) On April 08 2014 04:33 Holyflare wrote: Believed that there are 18 trillion 3Ps, (because every flipped blue so far would be 3P - marv, foolishness, kitaman, BLAZINDHAND who had the same thing, Holyflare himself, and Amiko, meaning Holyflare believed there were at least 6 3Ps in the game, and 5 of them just random 3Ps who also win with town (4 flipped people plus himself))scum shot 3 towny looking people and i assumed they were 3p yeh x_x How is this where your brain goes? If you see THIS MANY ROLE PMS THAT SAY "you win with town" and you have PLAYED GAMES ON TL MAFIA BEFORE, how do you conclude those people are all third parties. ESPECIALLY when your conclusion (greens are town, blues are 3Ps) is not color-coded to the OP OR ANY OTHER TL MAFIA GAME, and when your conclusion RELIES ON MISREADING THE GREEN ROLE PMS THAT, IN FACT, STATE THE SAME THING AS THE BLUE ROLE PMS | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:11 Holyflare wrote: Except the green role that you thought was town doesn't ever say "You are town," it only says "You win with the town."no, i'm saying i got my role pm, it was blue, it doesn't say i'm town at all it just says i win with town so i'm like, that's weird wording but whatever what game shall i make it that's town favoured? i see palmar say it doesn't say his alignment, i think to myself! hey mine doesn't say that either, maybe i'm just like palmar! it doesn't say i'm town so maybe i'm 3p! check op - it says there are some 3p's where it says win with town, ok whatever i guess i am 3p! in the meantime i go to awards thread and look for top town rated themed games, see lemming as mafia rated top game role, see games i dont really want to use here because it could go wrong, ask around in thread more and more, decide pm game! lynch gumshoe, gumshoe has power, gumshoe is green, confirms my thoughts that i'm 3p because green people have powers too! keirathi, marv, foolishness and kita die! hey their powers are all weird not totally towny powers and they are all blue, maybe it's a super game with lots of 3p's! (drunk out of my mind on weekend too so not really paying attention)! game is pm game now, pm nobody, get pm'd by town heros, make good list of scum here we are | ||
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Back to basics had no 3rd parties and some of the flips aren't in the main host filter so I'm lazy and not looking to see whether there were blues but there probably were. You played in TL XIII. Blues and Greens were town. 3Ps, the assassins, were black. Played in World Heavyweight Championship. Green and blue were both town. Played in II Titanic. Blues and Greens were town. 3P, sebastian, was black. I can keep going, but I imagine that I'm going to find only games where Blue meant you were town, and all 3Ps were in Black. Cuz that's...how it always is. | ||
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 I would color JAT townie. He's on the right track here, he looked alright to me previously. The only hesitation is him not wanting a syllo shot and then being perfectly fine with syllo as a lynch option, but he can go to the bottom of a townpile, as I was townie myself on syllo D1 (although I didn't flop from townie --> good lynch like JAT seems to have (before the whole visitation and poofter check junk). I color poofter only slightly less town, not as a lynch for today, but to follow his checks and make sure he's doing what he says he's doing. Syllo is a very visible player, and became SUPER visible today. If scum think they're going to lose him soonish no matter what, and poofter looks iffy, he's fine to say he's got a red check on syllo. I would color rayn honorary red for killing a townie. I think I like that WoS read, not sure on that hopeless one. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:28 Killing wrote: No, different thoughts.My thoughts: Who gives a shit about the color of my role. If you don't think anyone should give a shit about the color of a role, then do Holyflare's thoughts and actions make sense to you as coming from a townie? Do they make sense as coming from a scum? Do they make sense as scum slipping and trying to cover up that slip? Do they just not make sense period? | ||
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Liking foolishness's posts was a plus. Liking foolishness's read on iamp PROBABLY a big plus if iamp is red. I think sandro is a good target for snb to give a gun to, so that's fine, and him checking up to see whether that was his gun's shot is pretty good. I think he's fine. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:34 Holyflare wrote: Yes. Lulz.isn't poofter getting nuked by syllo.............................? | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:38 justanothertownie wrote: This is the "It's scummy to do scummy things as scum, so scum wouldn't do scummy things" argument.He didn't bring that up to talk about it. He was forced to because what he says doesn't add up. It is usually a mafia argument, and often mafia defending mafia | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote: It's maybe a combo. He's a person I've been suspicious of, so start from a suspicious mindset if you're trying to be in my head.austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum break down the scenario for me like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that? (1) There's something that might be a slip (does not know how town role PMs are phrased). It MIGHT be a weird thought from town. (2) When trying to explain the thing in (1), he says things that are not true (Keirathi' and Gumshoe's role PMs say they're town and not that they win with town ---> this is false). Saying things that are untrue is more likely to be mafia than town, means it's more likely a slip than a weird thought, because a townie having a weird thought doesn't use untruths to substantiate his weird thoughts. (3) Continues to argue that the statement from (1) is a weird thought from a townie, by saying
(4) The FIRST bit there, that he can't be mafia because of the claim, is not of any value. It's clear from THIS GAME that when you claim dimensional lemming, not everyone thinks you're mafia. This is important because HOLY CRAP HE'S THE DIMENSIONAL LEMMING HIMSELF, HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACTED TO HIS CLAIM, AND THEREFORE HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACT TO A CLAIM, AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE'S SAYING. Does that make sense? He is implying he's town because mafia would do what he's done, because x would happen. We all KNOW x wouldn't happen, so his argument is just based on a falsehood. The SECOND bit there requires him assuming at least 5-6 third parties in this game. Which I think is ridiculous, and cannot be a legitimate thought he had. Because of (2), him using untruths to try and show how his thought was townie and not a mafia slip, and because of (4), how his further comments are nonsensical coming from a townie/being real thoughts, and HF is not normally a person to just hold a bunch of nonsensical thoughts, it looks more like he's making things up to try and make his comment look more like a dumb comment than a slip. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:42 Killing wrote: I am saying you look scummier for that comment.Dude, what are you even saying? Do you think Greymist used a bunch of different colors cause he felt like making the game prettier? If your answer is yes, then enjoy your stay in lala land If not, there's a reasoning. I think HF argument on the blue vs green was terrible. Why does HF care if he's mafia? You even called it a slip. If HF is mafia, how does he know who is 3p and who is town. He doesn't even have the info. "As scum, it's a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, someone who does something that makes him look bad is town." That is GENERALLY a mafia argument when I've seen it. Within the last week it has been used by mafia to defend a scumbuddy on this forum. Like, fill in some proper names there. "As scum, it'a a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, Holyflare is town because he did something that made him look bad (this argument)." Within that statement, you're saying HolyFlare did something that looked bad. Otherwise the "scum wouldn't do things that look bad" argument is inapplicable, you HAVE to have done something that looked bad for it to be a relevant argument. But you just push that aside entirely and give some silliness about how he can't have info on 3Ps or would be paranoid or would know that "wins with the town" = TEH ENEMIEZ | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:48 Holyflare wrote: You made the list comment right after this: why did you say the list was bad but then change exactly 1 thing..............? so then the list is in fact good? you also mention poofter is dying today but then say he isn't to be trusted not long after? wut On April 08 2014 03:05 Holyflare wrote: who really cares, i've given you a list, you are arguing about numbers not the people on the list, your point is irrelevant to the game See the first comment. When I'm responding at the top there, the "list" i thought Koshi was talking about was the list of not votings. There were two lists, one you made, one that was in the votecount and had just been mentioned. | ||
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