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Keirathi
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Historical accuracy is only so relevant. I mean, historically, the average human lifespan is something like 30-40 years (? need citation). But that's not really relevant anymore because currently the average human lifespan is something like 75 years. Way more scum replace out than town here lately from what I've seen. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 04 2014 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Maybe my bad feels on you will go away...it is still early marvgame. What's the popular wagon right now? Paperscraps? What are people jumping on him for exactly? I think something is not right in hurr. Keirathi, if you get an item from me, what will you do with it? Rofl how the fuck am I supposed to answer that without knowing what the item is, you goob? For relevance sake, the only time I've ever gotten an item, I cleared a very bad looking mislynch candidate, correctly identified who gave me the item and cleared him, and led town to victory. *Note: last part may be a bit of a stretch. We did win, and I was a big part of it, but I wouldn't actually say I carried or anything. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 04 2014 10:20 marvellosity wrote: I was going to call you confirmed town for exaggerating your own importance until you included the disclaimer  Aw man, I missed a free confirmed town from the marvelous one? | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 04 2014 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Reaction test  No reason to remove you from da list. I do want to add some more people to it though. I don't have enough right now. Any thoughts? First off you should probably remove rayn since he's dead. Robik likely town. Oats likely town. Sandro likely town. Um, not enough other people posting enough to have substantial town reads on. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 04 2014 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Don't like robik's style. I can't trust him not to rage-use something in a way it shouldn't be used. I'm aware he's been given a pretty decent ranking and apparently has shown well lately, but I haven't seen it personally so I don't trust him not to be tunnelly-bad town. Oats with power? lol. Sandro probably a good addition, yeah. Sandro, would you like to replace Rayn on my list? If oats keeps playing the way he's been playing, I would totally be fine with him having an item. Just sayin'. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 04 2014 11:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Put Paperscraps on your list. And help me lynch VayneAuthority. ##Unvote ##Vote: VayneAuthority Why is Vayne scum? Or just a policy lurker lynch? If it's a policy lurker lynch, who do you think might be scum that has actually posted...well...anything? | ||
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Keirathi
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You fuckers sure posted a lot while I was asleep | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 05 2014 00:51 marvellosity wrote: This link reminds me that it would be swell if Keirathi could make his way to the thread and piss towniness all over my naked body. I've been pissing townieness this whole game. Shush, you, and just listen to your glorious leader! | ||
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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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Probably Djo. Good, solid lurker shot. Also for reference, this is a post of some meta work I did on Hopeless like a year ago. I'm sure its probably still true. On January 06 2013 09:03 Keirathi wrote: Okay, the next person I want to talk about is Hopeless1der. I originally sent in my shot on him, instead of tube. Marv hadn't flipped yet, and as a Vengeful Vig, I could only shoot people who were voting on confirmed town lynches. But I went back and did some meta diving on Hopeless, and I'm not quite as sure that he is scum as I was when WBG made the case originally. I think bugs missed a key part of scum Hopeless's mindset compared to his town mindset. For instance (These are from scum games): + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 03:20 Hopeless1der wrote: Okay, ignoring the possibility of two mason pairs: I could actually quote every single one of Muso's posts to help make my point... - He "lied" about his game history + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller. I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it. Sorry if I'm bad :S - He "lied" about reading the game setup + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller. I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it. Sorry if I'm bad :S On November 01 2012 13:41 Muso wrote: I am a mason, I didn't know there was a miller too Are the lies because he's new and quite frankly, stupid? Or because his fake-claim was TERRIBLE and he's banking on the pity card to save him somehow? ##Vote: Muso Acro has provided an encrypted 'claim post' and I don't see the benefit to a 1-1 trade if Acro was scum. This situation makes way more sense if Acro is telling the truth. Technically, 2 mason pairs is possible, but quite frankly I think we're going to be lynching Muso regardless now, even if a "partner" claims. His filter is just too wrong for me to be willing to let him live. Here is what I would suggest: Muso, if you are in fact a mason, write a last will for your partner to use to confirm themselves. Muso's Partner - Unless you think you can save him, do not claim until after the 1hr resolution period starts at the end of the night phase. There is no good reason to out yourself before that time (unless you can save him). Could someone comment on that suggestion, and perhaps if they would even believe someone claiming to be Muso's mason-partner? I really don't think revealing the other halves is a good idea right now. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Review the spoiler. Information is deliberately missing. I don't know how "hard" it would be for scum to come up with a VT name. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote: And then I turn around and say SCUMBUDDY!! And then we argue, probably lynch muso anyways. Do you not see that as a potential outcome? I see that as the more likely outcome at this point. If a mason flips, is their partner revealed? Also, unanswered questions: ...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy? On November 02 2012 04:47 HiroPro wrote: Millers flip miller on death. If a mason dies, their partner is not revealed. He's doing things that are apparently 'allowed' as far as mod rules go. That said, I don't think kush is being particularly helpful, but its not scummy to me. This is kush legitimately trying to contribute and reason out whether or not the lynch candidate is who he says he is (i.e. is Muso really VT). He only ever claimed NOT Mason. Granted, green text, but that's inconclusive. However, the reason I think your theory is bad is that I think scum have fakeclaims. My question never got answered and I think it's clear that Hiro was replying to the posts I quoted. Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is. On November 03 2012 06:32 Hopeless1der wrote: Muso never came back when I questioned this, and I found this last post of his really scummy: If it was 3AM at time of post, its around 8AM now. He might be back before the deadline but I won't hold my breath. He's already said he probably wont make it. That's not scummy, thats needing sleep. The scummy part is where he says me continuing to push his lynch is scummy and that it makes the case on promethelax look stronger. This suggests we're both scum. However, if Prom flips town, we should interrogate me. So I'm scum no matter what, basically because I still want to lynch his lying ass. Now compare that to his votes/pressure this game: + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 00:37 Hopeless1der wrote: For justice then, ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote: No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote: I thought you said we needed to stop spamming. And yes, I do that regardless of alignment. Could you expand a bit on me taking random lynching too seriously? @Marv: Right up until he voted Palmar, I wouldn't have looked twice. He seemed to have been keeping up with the thread and somewhat cared, especially his prodding at yamato for example + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 02:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ive never played a game with you to my knowledge so why is my vouching enough to dissuade you? but his vote against Palmar looks really forced and then he disappears. He's certainly scummier than you are right now, and no one is biting on CC ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Scum Hopeless is much more decisive and pushy. Town Hopeless, in my experience, is wishy-washy, non-committal, and sheepy. I think this actually feels more like town Hopeless. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 05 2014 02:43 Killing wrote: The guy claimed horse. I'm not a horse. Are you a horse? There are 4 horses. And (I think?) they are all claimed. Are they all scum? | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 05 2014 02:48 Killing wrote: Also, I only saw VA claim VE and him were horses. Who are the other horses? gumshoe. I guess he didn't claim the last one and I just thought all 4 were claimed. | ||
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Keirathi
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So I went back and read through (part of) the context of the thread between those two posts, particularly what was happening around the time of the null read. And the really weird thing is that there was absolutely no one calling Poofter scum before that post except for this one little thing: On April 04 2014 10:28 kitaman27 wrote: No real explanation other than it feels good to vote him. Tehpoofter and Koshi are my top two bad guys at the moment. I'll likely pursue them tomorrow since I'm heading to bed right now. Suppose I could vote one of them, but don't feel like it. Kita mentioned him in passing, and Wave bounced one little question back at him. So why was Paperscraps getting so defensive of Poofter at that point? If you recall, his exact words (rearranged for your reading pleasure) were: On April 04 2014 10:46 Paperscraps wrote: Also for anyone scum reading Tehpoofter, his posts so far are neutral. This is using video mafia meta as a baseline, so probably not to accurate. Basically it's just really weird to me that he 1) felt the need to defend Poofy there from, well, nothing and 2) how in his defense he also downgrades his green read to a null read *AND* leaves himself an out by saying "so it's probably not accurate". Paperscraps and Poofy both scum? | ||
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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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Yes. I've played in or read TON of iamp games. As town he'll just post whatever the hell comes to his mind. He doesn't afraid of nothing. As scum is careful and doesn't ruffle feathers or poke his head out. Lynching him right now would be beyond dumb. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 05 2014 05:14 sandroba wrote: Also I'm now on the QT with marv, I got a message saying that "the brown" put me there to figure out marv's alignment. Oooh, is his story epic? | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 05 2014 06:00 sandroba wrote: Finally caught up. My reasoning for paperscraps being town is mainly one of the first posts he made in the game, as I've said before, he was the first to reveal his QT and along with it revealed he was suspicious of VE, but didn't disclose the other 2 people in the QT he wasnt suspicious of. That points to town. The whole case on him is that he is writing backwards and change his read from town to null in 6 hours which I don't think point to mafia. People read the thread over and change their minds. Also the current defense of poofer points to town as well in this situation where he is on the chopping block. I'll look at gumshoe next. I actually kind of like this point. If you're scum and leading the lynch by a wide margin, then someone comes in and gives you a town read and an out on someone else to vote for, why would you call that person town? It doesn't make much sense. I guess if they are scum together (which i speculated a bit about earlier) it makes a bit more sense, but even then I think it would make more sense to save yourself and maybe get some towncred in the process? | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 05 2014 06:38 strongandbig wrote: no dood you dont get the point there's a difference between "writing a lot" and "making a lot of posts" if everyone made fewer posts this game would be better the same is not true for "if everyone wrote fewer words" To be honest, I have a much harder time forcing myself to read 1000 word essay posts than I do reading 100 one liners from marv. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 05 2014 06:38 marvellosity wrote: iamp is town, and it's nothing to do with calling me town, it's to do with the fact i have played with him 30 times and i know what a town-iamp looks like. An interesting tidbit; you know how whoever-it-was asked earlier if you ever hard defended your teammates and you said no? The only time I can ever find of you hard defending a teammate is when you were with iamp in GSL 3. Granted, you weren't hard defending him the whole game (you mostly just ignored him for all of day 1), but hapa (and me to a lesser extent) nailed you and then started connecting the dots | ||
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