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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 14 2014 17:59 GMT
#5581
Ok turns out I can't guarantee that ve didn't deliver a scum KP last night, if he had a role ability like a roleblock then I would have made him lovers with whoever he roleblocked instead of whoever he targeted with a scum KP.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:04 GMT
#5582
On April 14 2014 21:46 sandroba wrote:
@palmar yeah Im starting to feel that way too. I dont know if we can afford to lynch jat or amiko. We definetely need to start shooting people at night too.

@austin can you still shoot people?

@jat If you kill me do you leave the game?
No. Gun doesn't unbreak. Town knowing that better than WIFOMing scum and saying maybe or whatever, but I cannot.

On April 14 2014 23:36 strongandbig wrote:
I'm just worried that we can't afford to waste a lynch on oatsmaster. Unlike VE, at least oats has presented a somewhat coherent explanation of a world in which his actions make sense... Whereas VE has had four nights and delivered zero useful checks and not been shot as the only claimed full detective.
Oats gets almost lynched yesterday, saved only by action. Oats has N3 and D4 to do stuff. Oats does _______. Oats isn't town.


On April 13 2014 07:50 strongandbig wrote:
1. If he's town how do scum not kill the claimed dt? I sincerely doubt VE has been protected.
2. I don't agree that he wouldn't have openly said he didn't check oatsmaster, if there's a leak he could have known that I would make his n2 check unstoppable so the only way out of checking oats was to claim "oops I forgot"
3. We did already have at least one dead town cop
Back, wanted to chat about this.snb, you asked this, and looking back at poofter I dunno. As far as (1), the reason is ye olde "because he looks like ass and they'd rather shoot vocal townies/circle townies". Also, since everyone is powered this game, it's not the normal calculus of shooting a cop or Some Townie, but it's a cop vs Vocal Townie Who Does Something. Not great reasons, but that's what fits.

I had to re-check poofter, knew he was a cop but I thought he had more restrictions than he did.
Each night, you may either Alignment check a player who ended any previous day voting you, or use “Borderline Ethical” methods and alignment check any player, but add 1 point to the chaos and radiation counters.
That points towards VE NOT being alignment and rolecoppy, as plain old alignment DT was balanced by either having limited targets OR adding counters, whereas VE has claimed alignment + role check, with an alternative ability to transfer a role for a day or night or whatever.

Given another lack of info night...I can come around on him. The claiming not to have seen "check oats" is still a point in his favor, imo, but nothing else really is when I look back at poofter's cop role.

The LSB stuff is...meh. He mentions him a bunch, but never really says WHY LSB is scummy. This is IT for why LSB is scummy, everything else is just coloring his name red and asking people about him, except he never says more about LSB and he never tries to get votes on him or anything:
On April 03 2014 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 12:23 LSB wrote:
On April 03 2014 12:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to say I want to push the button. CATASTROPHE or CATASTROPHE??

Excellent point VE, it is important to establish lexiconically that CATASTROPHE is the official correct way to describe the result of pressing the button. Catashrophe is acceptable as a short hand, as well as "The town initiative for a better tomorrow"

For example:

We must push the town button so we can cause CATASTROPHE for the betterment of the town.

I don't think it's important. I've made my stance clear, and I'm trying to find scum instead. Or rather, I've started by trying to find town, which will help me narrow down where I think I should look for scum. However your suggestion that it's important to discuss whether pushing the button is good or bad, again, leads me to believe that you're not so much interested in finding scum.

LSB captured!!
(i.e. button discussion = scum, and then asking people later to comment on his points on LSB, which is nothing but "button discussion = scum")

He DOES vote iamp and call out iamp, slightly, but he's townie townie townie on iamp, and then swaps based on Foolishness's case, when a lot of people didn't like it/didn't like foolishness. It's...minor stuff slightly in his favor, but he's not really making any points on scum or pushing them legitimately, he just kinda colors them red when he feels like it, and I think he's making a little much of that.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:05 GMT
#5583
JAT, did you shoot last night?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:08 GMT
#5584
On April 13 2014 10:01 Acrofales wrote:
Today you have an extra vote for one of two choices:
Tomorrows lynch will be decided by an elected mayor, OR Tomorrow’s voted player will have their role name and alignment announced in the thread, instead of being lynched.
[green]Just to confirm, the option that WINS the vote today, has the most votes, whatever, is the option that will be in place tomorrow?
Fe fi fo fum.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 14 2014 18:08 GMT
#5585
On April 15 2014 03:04 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 21:46 sandroba wrote:
@palmar yeah Im starting to feel that way too. I dont know if we can afford to lynch jat or amiko. We definetely need to start shooting people at night too.

@austin can you still shoot people?

@jat If you kill me do you leave the game?
No. Gun doesn't unbreak. Town knowing that better than WIFOMing scum and saying maybe or whatever, but I cannot.

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2014 23:36 strongandbig wrote:
I'm just worried that we can't afford to waste a lynch on oatsmaster. Unlike VE, at least oats has presented a somewhat coherent explanation of a world in which his actions make sense... Whereas VE has had four nights and delivered zero useful checks and not been shot as the only claimed full detective.
Oats gets almost lynched yesterday, saved only by action. Oats has N3 and D4 to do stuff. Oats does _______. Oats isn't town.


Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 07:50 strongandbig wrote:
1. If he's town how do scum not kill the claimed dt? I sincerely doubt VE has been protected.
2. I don't agree that he wouldn't have openly said he didn't check oatsmaster, if there's a leak he could have known that I would make his n2 check unstoppable so the only way out of checking oats was to claim "oops I forgot"
3. We did already have at least one dead town cop
Back, wanted to chat about this.snb, you asked this, and looking back at poofter I dunno. As far as (1), the reason is ye olde "because he looks like ass and they'd rather shoot vocal townies/circle townies". Also, since everyone is powered this game, it's not the normal calculus of shooting a cop or Some Townie, but it's a cop vs Vocal Townie Who Does Something. Not great reasons, but that's what fits.

I had to re-check poofter, knew he was a cop but I thought he had more restrictions than he did.
Show nested quote +
Each night, you may either Alignment check a player who ended any previous day voting you, or use “Borderline Ethical” methods and alignment check any player, but add 1 point to the chaos and radiation counters.
That points towards VE NOT being alignment and rolecoppy, as plain old alignment DT was balanced by either having limited targets OR adding counters, whereas VE has claimed alignment + role check, with an alternative ability to transfer a role for a day or night or whatever.

Given another lack of info night...I can come around on him. The claiming not to have seen "check oats" is still a point in his favor, imo, but nothing else really is when I look back at poofter's cop role.

The LSB stuff is...meh. He mentions him a bunch, but never really says WHY LSB is scummy. This is IT for why LSB is scummy, everything else is just coloring his name red and asking people about him, except he never says more about LSB and he never tries to get votes on him or anything:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 03 2014 12:23 LSB wrote:
On April 03 2014 12:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to say I want to push the button. CATASTROPHE or CATASTROPHE??

Excellent point VE, it is important to establish lexiconically that CATASTROPHE is the official correct way to describe the result of pressing the button. Catashrophe is acceptable as a short hand, as well as "The town initiative for a better tomorrow"

For example:

We must push the town button so we can cause CATASTROPHE for the betterment of the town.

I don't think it's important. I've made my stance clear, and I'm trying to find scum instead. Or rather, I've started by trying to find town, which will help me narrow down where I think I should look for scum. However your suggestion that it's important to discuss whether pushing the button is good or bad, again, leads me to believe that you're not so much interested in finding scum.

LSB captured!!
(i.e. button discussion = scum, and then asking people later to comment on his points on LSB, which is nothing but "button discussion = scum")

He DOES vote iamp and call out iamp, slightly, but he's townie townie townie on iamp, and then swaps based on Foolishness's case, when a lot of people didn't like it/didn't like foolishness. It's...minor stuff slightly in his favor, but he's not really making any points on scum or pushing them legitimately, he just kinda colors them red when he feels like it, and I think he's making a little much of that.

oats obviously isnt town. im worried about if hes telling the truth about being 3p
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:08 GMT
#5586
TAGS HARD


On April 13 2014 10:01 Acrofales wrote:
Today you have an extra vote for one of two choices:
Tomorrows lynch will be decided by an elected mayor, OR Tomorrow’s voted player will have their role name and alignment announced in the thread, instead of being lynched.
Just to confirm, the option that WINS the vote today, has the most votes, whatever, is the option that will be in place tomorrow?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:10 GMT
#5587
On April 15 2014 03:08 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 03:04 austinmcc wrote:
On April 14 2014 21:46 sandroba wrote:
@palmar yeah Im starting to feel that way too. I dont know if we can afford to lynch jat or amiko. We definetely need to start shooting people at night too.

@austin can you still shoot people?

@jat If you kill me do you leave the game?
No. Gun doesn't unbreak. Town knowing that better than WIFOMing scum and saying maybe or whatever, but I cannot.

On April 14 2014 23:36 strongandbig wrote:
I'm just worried that we can't afford to waste a lynch on oatsmaster. Unlike VE, at least oats has presented a somewhat coherent explanation of a world in which his actions make sense... Whereas VE has had four nights and delivered zero useful checks and not been shot as the only claimed full detective.
Oats gets almost lynched yesterday, saved only by action. Oats has N3 and D4 to do stuff. Oats does _______. Oats isn't town.


On April 13 2014 07:50 strongandbig wrote:
1. If he's town how do scum not kill the claimed dt? I sincerely doubt VE has been protected.
2. I don't agree that he wouldn't have openly said he didn't check oatsmaster, if there's a leak he could have known that I would make his n2 check unstoppable so the only way out of checking oats was to claim "oops I forgot"
3. We did already have at least one dead town cop
Back, wanted to chat about this.snb, you asked this, and looking back at poofter I dunno. As far as (1), the reason is ye olde "because he looks like ass and they'd rather shoot vocal townies/circle townies". Also, since everyone is powered this game, it's not the normal calculus of shooting a cop or Some Townie, but it's a cop vs Vocal Townie Who Does Something. Not great reasons, but that's what fits.

I had to re-check poofter, knew he was a cop but I thought he had more restrictions than he did.
Each night, you may either Alignment check a player who ended any previous day voting you, or use “Borderline Ethical” methods and alignment check any player, but add 1 point to the chaos and radiation counters.
That points towards VE NOT being alignment and rolecoppy, as plain old alignment DT was balanced by either having limited targets OR adding counters, whereas VE has claimed alignment + role check, with an alternative ability to transfer a role for a day or night or whatever.

Given another lack of info night...I can come around on him. The claiming not to have seen "check oats" is still a point in his favor, imo, but nothing else really is when I look back at poofter's cop role.

The LSB stuff is...meh. He mentions him a bunch, but never really says WHY LSB is scummy. This is IT for why LSB is scummy, everything else is just coloring his name red and asking people about him, except he never says more about LSB and he never tries to get votes on him or anything:
On April 03 2014 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 03 2014 12:23 LSB wrote:
On April 03 2014 12:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to say I want to push the button. CATASTROPHE or CATASTROPHE??

Excellent point VE, it is important to establish lexiconically that CATASTROPHE is the official correct way to describe the result of pressing the button. Catashrophe is acceptable as a short hand, as well as "The town initiative for a better tomorrow"

For example:

We must push the town button so we can cause CATASTROPHE for the betterment of the town.

I don't think it's important. I've made my stance clear, and I'm trying to find scum instead. Or rather, I've started by trying to find town, which will help me narrow down where I think I should look for scum. However your suggestion that it's important to discuss whether pushing the button is good or bad, again, leads me to believe that you're not so much interested in finding scum.

LSB captured!!
(i.e. button discussion = scum, and then asking people later to comment on his points on LSB, which is nothing but "button discussion = scum")

He DOES vote iamp and call out iamp, slightly, but he's townie townie townie on iamp, and then swaps based on Foolishness's case, when a lot of people didn't like it/didn't like foolishness. It's...minor stuff slightly in his favor, but he's not really making any points on scum or pushing them legitimately, he just kinda colors them red when he feels like it, and I think he's making a little much of that.

oats obviously isnt town. im worried about if hes telling the truth about being 3p
If he were, he would have said that way way way way earlier yesterday and probably not shot townies without KNOWING that he would meet some win condition in doing so (if his condition was super assassin-y, you have 1 trap, you have to trap x wizard, then I could see him doing what he did, but he would have flipped out more about WoS's role as now he's essentially stranded)

(any other 3P wincon wouldn't have done that crap)
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:14 GMT
#5588
Grrrrr. I want to try and figure out the mayoral lynch vs alignment check, but it depends on how many scum and how many 3Ps we have, neither of which we know.

I don't see that it's crazy clear-cut for mayoral lynch, in some ways getting 100% of someone's role would be nice, it delays a lynch 1 day but it lets us not mislynch if we're wrong on someone. But we probably use it to check a 3P claim? And that's not a great use of a day, even if scum is down to 1 NK after today's lynch.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:19 GMT
#5589
Also, as far as "Why do scum not do x" questions, like dropping VE,

"why does scum syllo say amiko visited kita N1?" should be on that list. I still cannot figure out why he'd try to finger someone who, if truthful, is 3P, for the kita kill that early in the game. I don't think "was going to go to mars momentarily" is a good answer for that, he'd rather just get a townie killed mebbe. So in the back back back of my head is that syllo was getting a little heat, amiko IS mafia, and syllo wants the cred after the D2 lynch? That seems slightly ridiculous to just hard-bus someone at the very very start of a day though, when you don't know WHO the lynch options are and how townie you'll look in 48 or more hours. It's like a drazerk plan, and not a real people option for D2.
Fe fi fo fum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16325 Posts
April 14 2014 18:29 GMT
#5590
On April 15 2014 03:05 austinmcc wrote:
JAT, did you shoot last night?

Yes.
On April 15 2014 03:14 austinmcc wrote:
Grrrrr. I want to try and figure out the mayoral lynch vs alignment check, but it depends on how many scum and how many 3Ps we have, neither of which we know.

I don't see that it's crazy clear-cut for mayoral lynch, in some ways getting 100% of someone's role would be nice, it delays a lynch 1 day but it lets us not mislynch if we're wrong on someone. But we probably use it to check a 3P claim? And that's not a great use of a day, even if scum is down to 1 NK after today's lynch.

Well, I wouldn't mind if you confirm me but tbh a lynch is probably better for town. There already is no way that I am scum unless you think there are at least 5 mafia left.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:33 GMT
#5591
You promise?
Fe fi fo fum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16325 Posts
April 14 2014 18:35 GMT
#5592
What kind of question is that? Sure, I promise.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16325 Posts
April 14 2014 18:36 GMT
#5593
I did not say you should lynch ME if that's what you understood there.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:37 GMT
#5594
Just asking on the shot. As far as what kind of question, it's a bad one
Fe fi fo fum.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16325 Posts
April 14 2014 18:38 GMT
#5595
I shot oats. Don't ask me why he is still alive.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:42 GMT
#5596
At some point we're bumping up against a bunch of scummy crap that we don't know a source of though.

That brings us to:

Prince of Darkness
Blazinghand unrevived
Oats being unlynchable (still think this will be on oats when he flips)
Protect on oats last night

Along with assorted small counter movements that we can't account for as of yet.
Fe fi fo fum.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
April 14 2014 18:43 GMT
#5597
On April 15 2014 03:08 austinmcc wrote:
TAGS HARD


Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 10:01 Acrofales wrote:
Today you have an extra vote for one of two choices:
Tomorrows lynch will be decided by an elected mayor, OR Tomorrow’s voted player will have their role name and alignment announced in the thread, instead of being lynched.
Just to confirm, the option that WINS the vote today, has the most votes, whatever, is the option that will be in place tomorrow?

The mayoral or role and alignment reveal vote will determine what tomorrow's lynch will be.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 14 2014 18:44 GMT
#5598
On April 15 2014 03:43 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 03:08 austinmcc wrote:
TAGS HARD


On April 13 2014 10:01 Acrofales wrote:
Today you have an extra vote for one of two choices:
Tomorrows lynch will be decided by an elected mayor, OR Tomorrow’s voted player will have their role name and alignment announced in the thread, instead of being lynched.
Just to confirm, the option that WINS the vote today, has the most votes, whatever, is the option that will be in place tomorrow?

The mayoral or role and alignment reveal vote will determine what tomorrow's lynch will be.
Yeah but there's no...tricksy business, right? The option that has the MOST votes will be the thing we do tomorrow?
Fe fi fo fum.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
April 14 2014 18:56 GMT
#5599
On April 15 2014 03:44 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 03:43 Crossfire99 wrote:
On April 15 2014 03:08 austinmcc wrote:
TAGS HARD


On April 13 2014 10:01 Acrofales wrote:
Today you have an extra vote for one of two choices:
Tomorrows lynch will be decided by an elected mayor, OR Tomorrow’s voted player will have their role name and alignment announced in the thread, instead of being lynched.
Just to confirm, the option that WINS the vote today, has the most votes, whatever, is the option that will be in place tomorrow?

The mayoral or role and alignment reveal vote will determine what tomorrow's lynch will be.
Yeah but there's no...tricksy business, right? The option that has the MOST votes will be the thing we do tomorrow?

Yeah, that's correct. Remember, everyone must vote!
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 14 2014 19:23 GMT
#5600
On April 15 2014 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
At some point we're bumping up against a bunch of scummy crap that we don't know a source of though.

That brings us to:

Prince of Darkness
Blazinghand unrevived
Oats being unlynchable (still think this will be on oats when he flips)
Protect on oats last night

Along with assorted small counter movements that we can't account for as of yet.

the blazinghand unrevived thing is especially annoying because he should've been untargetable. don't forget lsb's mystery post-death anything power though.

i still think prince of darkness is like 99% either geript or killing
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
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