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On April 11 2014 05:39 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 05:32 geript wrote:On April 11 2014 05:22 IAmRobik wrote:
So you want VE to "check" everyone who is almost certainly town. That's interesting. When do you want us to find scum, geript? I'm less sure than you guys that those guys are all town. Even if Amiko and JAT are 3P, it's pretty normal for them to return scum/mafia to checks so that would be pointless. Who would you want him to check? Daniel (paperscraps) and VA and to a slightly lesser extent Joey (killing). Although with 1 cop already dead, I'm less likely to believe a second cop, who didn't check who he said he'd check and whose 2 checks are on 1) someone who could have been modkilled 2) someone who was confirmed town in the thread by like 5 of the top town players that have ever towned
1. checking an inactive is a great check. It's the same reason why you vig an inactive. If you can't read people, having a way to read them/clear them is peachy keen.
2. You have to look at it from his perspective. Palmer hasn't done shit this game. His filter is useless. As of late, he's been useless a lot as scum. He's been playing Dota (scumtell). I'm town (scumtell). Like you may say that he's obvious town to a lot of people, but that's really not how VE works. Plus VE, like some other people, has been kept out of the loop on a lot of things. Like when you look at it from that perspective, it's in no way an unreasonable check despite what any of you or the "circle" thinks.
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On April 11 2014 05:38 geript wrote:
@VE do you think that there's a possibility of you being a role cop plus a naive detective combination?
No my role states explicitly that I receive the role and alignment of players I check. I'm a role-cop/detective. Or in otherwords...
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I don't understand how you can be both a role cop AND have another ability to transfer shit from one person to the other. Even Banks was nerfed in a way that he could only check people who voted on him, without some consequence occurring.
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VE, why check palmar over VA?
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Guy this is a GreYMisT game. Did you even BOTHER to read any of the OP PROVIDED SOURCE MATERIAL Robik? If not then your objections about what you think my role should be are vapid and meaningless.
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On April 11 2014 06:29 austinmcc wrote:
VE, why check palmar over VA?
Because VA said he wanted to kill LSB in our QT and LSB ended up dying so I was like "Meh maybe he's town after all". There was nothing that said there HAD to be scum in our QT, only that it was possible...so I took a leap of faith.
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On April 11 2014 06:25 IAmRobik wrote:
I don't understand how you can be both a role cop AND have another ability to transfer shit from one person to the other. Even Banks was nerfed in a way that he could only check people who voted on him, without some consequence occurring.
Banks is always nerfed as town. Why is this a surprise? Like I think Greymist built some mechanic around the 4 horsemen that none of us (in the least none of the town of us) know about.
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On April 11 2014 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Because VA said he wanted to kill LSB in our QT and LSB ended up dying so I was like "Meh maybe he's town after all". There was nothing that said there HAD to be scum in our QT, only that it was possible...so I took a leap of faith. If you're not town-aligned, could you please give me a different answer that conflicts with earlier stuff?
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On April 11 2014 06:25 IAmRobik wrote:
I don't understand how you can be both a role cop AND have another ability to transfer shit from one person to the other. Even Banks was nerfed in a way that he could only check people who voted on him, without some consequence occurring.
Plus you know the whole, "Till Death do us part" thing. Seems like a flavorful thing GM could add.
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On April 11 2014 06:34 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 11 2014 06:29 austinmcc wrote:
VE, why check palmar over VA? Because VA said he wanted to kill LSB in our QT and LSB ended up dying so I was like "Meh maybe he's town after all". There was nothing that said there HAD to be scum in our QT, only that it was possible...so I took a leap of faith. If you're not town-aligned, could you please give me a different answer that conflicts with earlier stuff? <3
Certainly, should my alignment change I'll be sure to forward you a different answer to your specifications.
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Palmar's argument to Oats possibly being town has some merit too it. Logically Oats is a great lynch, but something in my gut says some of things Oats is saying he actually believes to be true. Conveying conviction on a forum is hard to gauge, but Oats has been relentless in his posting. Regardless Oats is a detriment to town discussion because of this incessant posting and has ulterior motives to kill Saruman for his win-con(this part of his claim I believe to be true), so killing him will be good for town even if he isn't scum aligned.
This is a waiting game right now. We have a strong town (circle jerk) and just need to eliminate anyone who isn't in it. The one thing I am wary about is the lack of opposition. It seems after day 1/beginning of day 2 we have been set on a singular course and are just following through with it. Not much has been in the way of us running a train on mafia since that point. This isn't necessarily bad, but it speaks to at least 1 scum being in our circle jerk.
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I'd be kind of interested in everyone who says "there is / there's probably a scum in the town circle" to specify WHO they think it might be, or who the circle even is.
Otherwise, those statements feel like they say very little / nothing, and are based on just the assumption that "in a group of x size, there will be scum," when we may have absolutely no idea who we're talking about.
paper, why does town "running a train on mafia" --> at least 1 scum being in the town circle?
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On April 11 2014 07:18 Paperscraps wrote:
Palmar's argument to Oats possibly being town has some merit too it. Logically Oats is a great lynch, but something in my gut says some of things Oats is saying he actually believes to be true. Conveying conviction on a forum is hard to gauge, but Oats has been relentless in his posting. Regardless Oats is a detriment to town discussion because of this incessant posting and has ulterior motives to kill Saruman for his win-con(this part of his claim I believe to be true), so killing him will be good for town even if he isn't scum aligned.
This is a waiting game right now. We have a strong town (circle jerk) and just need to eliminate anyone who isn't in it. The one thing I am wary about is the lack of opposition. It seems after day 1/beginning of day 2 we have been set on a singular course and are just following through with it. Not much has been in the way of us running a train on mafia since that point. This isn't necessarily bad, but it speaks to at least 1 scum being in our circle jerk.
suppose (which is very likely at this point) that one or two out of VE/oats/geript are scum. it's not like any of them have been taking the idea of getting lynched lying down. (except oats apparently now that we caught him in multiple explicit lies.)
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On April 11 2014 07:18 Paperscraps wrote:
Palmar's argument to Oats possibly being town has some merit too it. Logically Oats is a great lynch, but something in my gut says some of things Oats is saying he actually believes to be true. Conveying conviction on a forum is hard to gauge, but Oats has been relentless in his posting. Regardless Oats is a detriment to town discussion because of this incessant posting and has ulterior motives to kill Saruman for his win-con(this part of his claim I believe to be true), so killing him will be good for town even if he isn't scum aligned.
This is a waiting game right now. We have a strong town (circle jerk) and just need to eliminate anyone who isn't in it. The one thing I am wary about is the lack of opposition. It seems after day 1/beginning of day 2 we have been set on a singular course and are just following through with it. Not much has been in the way of us running a train on mafia since that point. This isn't necessarily bad, but it speaks to at least 1 scum being in our circle jerk.
On April 10 2014 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ima fuxkimg wizard!! Sorry palmar I lied about the pgo shit. My actual role is dumbledorf amd j have a 1 shot power that tells me all the night actions that someone takes.
So jat. He killed keir correct. But he also roleblocked foolishness. Now how does he do that as sk? He doesnt. He scum. Also n2 he went to koshi and roleblocked koshi. N3, he went to dandel and roleblocked wave.
scummy scum scum. ##vote jat
This post is exceptionally full of fail, here's why:
On April 10 2014 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ima fuxkimg wizard!! Sorry palmar I lied about the pgo shit. My actual role is dumbledorf amd j have a 1 shot power that tells me all the night actions that someone takes.
So jat. He killed keir correct. But he also roleblocked foolishness. Now how does he do that as sk? He doesnt. He scum. Also n2 he went to koshi and roleblocked koshi. N3, he went to dandel and roleblocked wave.
scummy scum scum. ##vote jat
Look at the timeline:
N1 Killed Keir RB'd Fool
N2 Killed Koshi RB'd Koshi
N3 Killed Dandelion RB Wave
First off this doesn't compute. Foolishness left a message to town for D2. That strongly indicates he wasn't RB'd before he died. Second, I've claimed an RB on JAT for N2; that means that either I'm lying, my action somehow failed, he is somehow immune, JAT got bus driven (which would likely also bus drive the item Oats claims to have used) or other shenannies. His simplest answer there is that I'm lying about the RB target for N2; he hasn't proposed that at all. Like if he's town with this information that is the clear next progression. On top of that, S&B has claimed on RB on JAT on N3 when I claimed to Arab Oats. On top of all that, if he has this information, why didn't he claim it in Thread on N3? Like that's shit that is super important for town to know because it hammers JAT as a liar and scum and in the least heavily implicates me as a liar and scum. Like none of Oats' story makes any fucking sense at all.
On top of being a proven liar, he's also flat out lied about his role to people (which while non-alignment indicative by itself IMO) isn't a point in his favor. Plus he fucking killed obvious town and my Wubbybumpkins.
The story Oats has sold smells like a steaming pile of shit; that means that Oats ' story is most likely a steaming pile of shit and not a virgin who got a little too excited on her wedding night.
Your thoughts on Oats being honest have zero merit whatsoever. That's why we're lynching Oats. Plus because revenge.
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That's a lot of words for what smarter people have already said, you should just sheep me without question.
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On top of all of that, read the fucking thread... Like he didn't change his story to Wubbybumpkins is an evil wizard and must die until after Oats was already trapped in his own lie. Like if he believed bot Wave and JAT were scum and he had evidence to prove it, he comes out with that shit AT THE SAME TIME.
Oats is lying.
Oats is trying to cover up his bullshit with even more bullshit.
Oats is scum
Oats needs to die now.
Are there any rebuttals to the points I've made?
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On April 11 2014 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
That's a lot of words for what smarter people have already said, you should just sheep me without question.
This is my lynch thank you very much. I was the first to call him out on his bullshit and I've wanted him dead for a while now.
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whatever makes you feel relevant honey
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On April 11 2014 08:53 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2014 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
That's a lot of words for what smarter people have already said, you should just sheep me without question. This is my lynch thank you very much. I was the first to call him out on his bullshit and I've wanted him dead for a while now.
no we're not lynching you until tomorrow
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