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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 04 2014 18:04 GMT
#2275
I don't think Amiko is a good lynch. His remark about paperscrap's claim being too much of a burden on the hosts due to having to read everything carefully to ensure the PR is being followed is feels wacky in a towny way. Gumshoe/tehpoofter look worse.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 04 2014 19:27 GMT
#2324
Sandro: Is Holy still your lynch of choice?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 04 2014 19:46 GMT
#2339
Gumshoe has made 39 posts in the other game since his last one in here and the lynch deadline in that game isn't even today.
I'm leaving in 30 minutes and it doesn't look like paperscraps lynch needs any help to reach majority, so that's where my vote is going.

##vote Gumshoe
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 04 2014 19:51 GMT
#2344
On April 05 2014 04:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:46 syllogism wrote:
Gumshoe has made 39 posts in the other game since his last one in here and the lynch deadline in that game isn't even today.
I'm leaving in 30 minutes and it doesn't look like paperscraps lynch needs any help to reach majority, so that's where my vote is going.

##vote Gumshoe


gumshoe made a whole ton of posts in cell while making like 5 in Dr. Who as town. You think this still holds?

I'll take a look. The issue is the allocation of time and effort between the games rather than just the notion that he always has to post tons as town.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 04 2014 20:02 GMT
#2356
Kita is right about the discrepancy between gumshoe's activity in cell mini/doctor who being almost as large as in here/cell. Hard to contextualize the activity, but it does weaken my point. Perhaps tehpoofter is a better lynch.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 04 2014 20:05 GMT
#2361
On April 05 2014 05:02 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 05:02 syllogism wrote:
Kita is right about the discrepancy between gumshoe's activity in cell mini/doctor who being almost as large as in here/cell. Hard to contextualize the activity, but it does weaken my point. Perhaps tehpoofter is a better lynch.


are you disregarding paperscraps who literally just said "i can't be bothered to defend"?

No, paperscraps is a good lynch, but that remark was in the context of the best use of my vote given that that lynch isn't going to need any help and I won't be here to switch later.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 04 2014 20:57 GMT
#2407
On April 05 2014 05:41 sandroba wrote:
Still not liking the paperscraps lynch. I'm inclined to go with tehpoofer if we can get enough support.
That exchange with him and marv where he says he doesn't trust marv, therefore won't be voting paper is already a mafia tell, making assossiative reads with imcoplete information and not even reading the content of the case. But then he goes and does a complete 180 votes paper and vanishes after marv pressures him a bit.

His initial Robik read also feels disingenuous.

On April 03 2014 15:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
As for really non-trolly reads. I think that iamrobik might be scum. In video mafia when hes town hes really excited and throws out town reads left and right and he started to do that but then he had his mafia tell where he just quits... I think if he rolled mafia it would be a good cop out for not posting a lot as mafia to have this fight with Dand(although robert does just have a temper we will see). I also wasn't terribly swayed by his case on iamp.

This was very early into the game and the bolded doesn't actually have anything to do with this game. Could he have genuinely felt that robik had started giving out town reads, but then quit doing that at that stage of the game? That just seems like a blatant misrepresentation.

##unvote
##vote Tehpoofter
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 05 2014 19:07 GMT
#2949
On April 06 2014 03:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
I finally caught up with the thread. I can't decide if Robik started playing like hes town because hes town or because I called him out on not playing his town game.

Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 02:51 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 06 2014 02:45 sandroba wrote:
Clearly it wasn't me. It was marv actually.

I think people were following you,not marv. Already know marv is town. Trying to find nore people to clear


^^more town posts like this please robik so I can stop feeling uneasy about you (note this is a read on robik only cause this is how he talks in these definite statements and he does as town play to clear town first)

I'm reading Robik's early game filter, and he is making the same kind of definite statements. I think the better question is whether you changed your tune on Robik due to the flak you got for it or because you genuinely changed your mind.

On April 06 2014 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
Again, we see his vote leaving the majority pack and heading off to no-man's-land. Why would he switch now instead of earlier, when he noted the weakness of his gumshoe read and the possibility of poofter being a better lynch?

Overall, I don't feel that he's made a strong read on any one person. His attempts at finding a lynch seem weak, and I don't like the timing of his voting. Fairly suspicious of syllo right now.

I was reading filters for as long as I had time looking for alternatives. Why are you attempting to paint something clearly towny as suspicious? Furthermore, in the post you quoted Sandro states that he, too, finds tehpoofter suspicious as had many other players. What do you even mean by that "again" my vote is leaving the majority pack and "heading off to no-man's land"? Your own vote was on HF at the time. Actually, now that I look at your filter, you didn't even discuss paperscraps before the lynch. The only justification you gave for voting gumshoe was that he was playing "bad". Eagerly awaiting your first actual thoughts on him.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 05 2014 19:13 GMT
#2954
On April 06 2014 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 04:07 syllogism wrote:
On April 06 2014 03:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
I finally caught up with the thread. I can't decide if Robik started playing like hes town because hes town or because I called him out on not playing his town game.

On April 06 2014 02:51 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 06 2014 02:45 sandroba wrote:
Clearly it wasn't me. It was marv actually.

I think people were following you,not marv. Already know marv is town. Trying to find nore people to clear


^^more town posts like this please robik so I can stop feeling uneasy about you (note this is a read on robik only cause this is how he talks in these definite statements and he does as town play to clear town first)

I'm reading Robik's early game filter, and he is making the same kind of definite statements. I think the better question is whether you changed your tune on Robik due to the flak you got for it or because you genuinely changed your mind.

On April 06 2014 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
Again, we see his vote leaving the majority pack and heading off to no-man's-land. Why would he switch now instead of earlier, when he noted the weakness of his gumshoe read and the possibility of poofter being a better lynch?

Overall, I don't feel that he's made a strong read on any one person. His attempts at finding a lynch seem weak, and I don't like the timing of his voting. Fairly suspicious of syllo right now.

I was reading filters for as long as I had time looking for alternatives. Why are you attempting to paint something clearly towny as suspicious? Furthermore, in the post you quoted Sandro states that he, too, finds tehpoofter suspicious as had many other players. What do you even mean by that "again" my vote is leaving the majority pack and "heading off to no-man's land"? Your own vote was on HF at the time. Actually, now that I look at your filter, you didn't even discuss paperscraps before the lynch. The only justification you gave for voting gumshoe was that he was playing "bad". Eagerly awaiting your first actual thoughts on him.

I don't but the OMGUS here, bro. Not one bit.

Answer the concerns instead of dodging. You are attempting to cast suspicion on me for something that could be doubly said about your own play. Hypocrisy or malice? Why were you ignoring the main wagon?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 05 2014 19:21 GMT
#2960
On April 06 2014 04:15 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 04:13 syllogism wrote:
On April 06 2014 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
On April 06 2014 04:07 syllogism wrote:
On April 06 2014 03:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
I finally caught up with the thread. I can't decide if Robik started playing like hes town because hes town or because I called him out on not playing his town game.

On April 06 2014 02:51 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 06 2014 02:45 sandroba wrote:
Clearly it wasn't me. It was marv actually.

I think people were following you,not marv. Already know marv is town. Trying to find nore people to clear


^^more town posts like this please robik so I can stop feeling uneasy about you (note this is a read on robik only cause this is how he talks in these definite statements and he does as town play to clear town first)

I'm reading Robik's early game filter, and he is making the same kind of definite statements. I think the better question is whether you changed your tune on Robik due to the flak you got for it or because you genuinely changed your mind.

On April 06 2014 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
Again, we see his vote leaving the majority pack and heading off to no-man's-land. Why would he switch now instead of earlier, when he noted the weakness of his gumshoe read and the possibility of poofter being a better lynch?

Overall, I don't feel that he's made a strong read on any one person. His attempts at finding a lynch seem weak, and I don't like the timing of his voting. Fairly suspicious of syllo right now.

I was reading filters for as long as I had time looking for alternatives. Why are you attempting to paint something clearly towny as suspicious? Furthermore, in the post you quoted Sandro states that he, too, finds tehpoofter suspicious as had many other players. What do you even mean by that "again" my vote is leaving the majority pack and "heading off to no-man's land"? Your own vote was on HF at the time. Actually, now that I look at your filter, you didn't even discuss paperscraps before the lynch. The only justification you gave for voting gumshoe was that he was playing "bad". Eagerly awaiting your first actual thoughts on him.

I don't but the OMGUS here, bro. Not one bit.

Answer the concerns instead of dodging. You are attempting to cast suspicion on me for something that could be doubly said about your own play. Hypocrisy or malice? Why were you ignoring the main wagon?

I didn't ignore the main wagon, I saw people switching to gumshoe, and I voted him because majority. Why did you not want to keep your vote on the majority wagon and secure a lynch?

I've explained that already. A lynch is going to happen on day 1 no matter what and I wanted to keep options open so we wouldn't be forced to default to paperscraps due to not being there to switch. Your claim about not ignoring the main wagon is not consistent with your in-thread actions. Perhaps you did actually form an opinion about the paperscraps lynch, but the only evidence for it so far is your word right now. What do you think about paperscraps?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 05 2014 19:43 GMT
#2981
On April 06 2014 04:25 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 04:21 syllogism wrote:
On April 06 2014 04:15 yamato77 wrote:
On April 06 2014 04:13 syllogism wrote:
On April 06 2014 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
On April 06 2014 04:07 syllogism wrote:
On April 06 2014 03:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
I finally caught up with the thread. I can't decide if Robik started playing like hes town because hes town or because I called him out on not playing his town game.

On April 06 2014 02:51 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 06 2014 02:45 sandroba wrote:
Clearly it wasn't me. It was marv actually.

I think people were following you,not marv. Already know marv is town. Trying to find nore people to clear


^^more town posts like this please robik so I can stop feeling uneasy about you (note this is a read on robik only cause this is how he talks in these definite statements and he does as town play to clear town first)

I'm reading Robik's early game filter, and he is making the same kind of definite statements. I think the better question is whether you changed your tune on Robik due to the flak you got for it or because you genuinely changed your mind.

On April 06 2014 03:25 yamato77 wrote:
Again, we see his vote leaving the majority pack and heading off to no-man's-land. Why would he switch now instead of earlier, when he noted the weakness of his gumshoe read and the possibility of poofter being a better lynch?

Overall, I don't feel that he's made a strong read on any one person. His attempts at finding a lynch seem weak, and I don't like the timing of his voting. Fairly suspicious of syllo right now.

I was reading filters for as long as I had time looking for alternatives. Why are you attempting to paint something clearly towny as suspicious? Furthermore, in the post you quoted Sandro states that he, too, finds tehpoofter suspicious as had many other players. What do you even mean by that "again" my vote is leaving the majority pack and "heading off to no-man's land"? Your own vote was on HF at the time. Actually, now that I look at your filter, you didn't even discuss paperscraps before the lynch. The only justification you gave for voting gumshoe was that he was playing "bad". Eagerly awaiting your first actual thoughts on him.

I don't but the OMGUS here, bro. Not one bit.

Answer the concerns instead of dodging. You are attempting to cast suspicion on me for something that could be doubly said about your own play. Hypocrisy or malice? Why were you ignoring the main wagon?

I didn't ignore the main wagon, I saw people switching to gumshoe, and I voted him because majority. Why did you not want to keep your vote on the majority wagon and secure a lynch?

I've explained that already. A lynch is going to happen on day 1 no matter what and I wanted to keep options open so we wouldn't be forced to default to paperscraps due to not being there to switch. Your claim about not ignoring the main wagon is not consistent with your in-thread actions. Perhaps you did actually form an opinion about the paperscraps lynch, but the only evidence for it so far is your word right now. What do you think about paperscraps?

I ignored paperscraps and most of the action about his lynch happened Friday, for which I was gone. My only impression is that his backwards posting is unnecessarily retarded. Haven't filtered him yet, taking a break atm to watch LCS. What is your opinion on him? I noted almost nothing in your filter of substance on this matter, despite your insistence on the importance of me giving a read on him.

I've stated my opinion of him. You have not explained why you are trying to frame something you yourself were doing as suspicious.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 06 2014 15:28 GMT
#3214
On April 06 2014 23:27 yamato77 wrote:
No, Foolishness' version of the list could be the more accurate version. Minus killing, who I think is townish.

Question is, who should we lynch first out of syllo, iamp, poof, djo, or Hopeless?

I say syllo.

We aren't lynching me ever and in fact are lynching at least one player outside that list.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 06 2014 15:53 GMT
#3226
On April 07 2014 00:42 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2014 00:28 syllogism wrote:
On April 06 2014 23:27 yamato77 wrote:
No, Foolishness' version of the list could be the more accurate version. Minus killing, who I think is townish.

Question is, who should we lynch first out of syllo, iamp, poof, djo, or Hopeless?

I say syllo.

We aren't lynching me ever and in fact are lynching at least one player outside that list.

Why aren't we lynching you? I didn't want you to be shot but lynching is a different story.

There is no case for me being mafia other than the lack of effort. Fortunately I don't actually have to do anything now that this is a PM game and I can just discuss the game with Sandro. Besides that, for reasons that will be obvious soon.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 06 2014 16:33 GMT
#3239
Anyway, I tracked Amiko to Kita. He is mafia or lying for unknown reasons about his role.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 06 2014 16:40 GMT
#3241
On April 07 2014 01:37 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2014 01:33 syllogism wrote:
Anyway, I tracked Amiko to Kita. He is mafia or lying for unknown reasons about his role.


Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 09:08 Amiko wrote:
On April 03 2014 08:58 GreYMisT wrote:
I would like to remind the players that you may talk about what is in your role PM, but you may not directly quote it.


Modified survivor. My night action can be learning if a player has an item and taking it, if possible. I have a one shot that disables all item use and swaps items among players (1 for 1). I can protect myself at night (and no one else).

About the robik comment, I thought he was likely 3p and I figured he would notice that and assume I am also 3p from it, then send me something back to joint. But I don't blame him for giving it thread attention, it probably was a liability.

Lets hear it then why he decided to target Kita and how that ability makes sense for a survivor who supposedly just wins by staying alive.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 06 2014 17:01 GMT
#3246
On April 07 2014 01:54 yamato77 wrote:
If this is seriously your biggest concern, we are without a doubt lynching you today. I demand better from you than this, syllo, and if you are town you can deliver. If you are mafia you can die.

You don't make demands from me. I am just like every other player allowed to invest as much or as little time into the game as I want.

He was tracked to a kill and his role is almost certainly nonsense. It makes no logical sense. Look at his supposed abilities. His win con is to survive until the end of the game and he can either steal items or just self-protect every cycle. Then he also has a one-shot that disables item use and swaps items between players. How does any of that, self-protecting aside, make sense for a survivor? Even if he could just self-protect, he could basically claim and afk until the end of the game since no one is going to waste two kp on a claimed survivor.

syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 06 2014 17:05 GMT
#3248
On April 07 2014 02:04 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2014 02:01 syllogism wrote:
On April 07 2014 01:54 yamato77 wrote:
If this is seriously your biggest concern, we are without a doubt lynching you today. I demand better from you than this, syllo, and if you are town you can deliver. If you are mafia you can die.

You don't make demands from me. I am just like every other player allowed to invest as much or as little time into the game as I want.

He was tracked to a kill and his role is almost certainly nonsense. It makes no logical sense. Look at his supposed abilities. His win con is to survive until the end of the game and he can either steal items or just self-protect every cycle. Then he also has a one-shot that disables item use and swaps items between players. How does any of that, self-protecting aside, make sense for a survivor? Even if he could just self-protect, he could basically claim and afk until the end of the game since no one is going to waste two kp on a claimed survivor.


Hmm, Greymist tends to give survivors some abilities to keep the game interesting for them afaik. Marv showed me his survivor role pm from a different greymist game and he had a whole bunch of abilities. The important part here is indeed that his target was a nightkill.

Do you mean parallel worlds? In that game Marv's win con was to use all the abilities, at which point he would be removed from the game. He actually claimed that role.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 06 2014 17:36 GMT
#3266
On April 07 2014 02:34 Killing wrote:
I really want to hear from hopeless

Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 11:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
Town-Heroes I can offer protection from even the most fatal of injuries!

Device Enthusiasts I can offer products of great utility in your endeavors!

Machines I can offer upgrades!

Something for everyone* and financing plans are available!

*Scum I aint got nothing for you, maybe WoS is giving away some shiny bauble you can amuse yourself with.


He basically claimed his role so I want to hear what he did at night. If it's not good, I agree with koshi on the two kills.

You agree with koshi on not killing the person who claims third party and was tracked to a kill?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 06 2014 17:40 GMT
#3273
On April 07 2014 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Koshi you are all kinds of wtf this game.
Hey SYllo, going to comment about what I said about 3P in these games?

It does somewhat weaken the idea that the abilities should be survival oriented, but why would Greymist design a role that can either choose to self-protect every cycle or do random things that aren't likely to further the win con in anyway. The role you linked had a passive ability that helped it to survive and in addition to that an active one. More importantly, why would choose to steal from Kita and do you really think this is just a coincidence?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 06 2014 18:28 GMT
#3283
Amiko claims that he visited paperscraps and based on the PM wording he hasn't even read the thread, including my tracker claim.

##vote Amiko
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