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On April 03 2014 23:59 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:40 Holyflare wrote:On April 03 2014 23:34 Steveling wrote:
As I explained, I was the most green player.
I was so green that when gum proposed me as mayor couple people were like "whatever, ok".
That's why he was afraid.
And if you go back to ryan's filter you will notice that he did that mental gymnastics with gumshoe exactly when I was in the mayor talk, which I didn't even want to, as I said I have no experience as mayor.
Pay attention pls, if they are scum, they know that I am town. And I was not 100% with them against gum which means they could very well lose the cell, right?
It also explains his fixation on getript.
Don't forget that while they made some good points about gumshoe, he doesn't have a valid point against getript(besides getript's very early weird posts which are not enough for the heat he's receiving by rayn imo).
And I'm getting down to my previous point, the majority didn't thought of him as town.
We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left.
From these 11 coal and ceph were lurking. That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi.
With the power of logic we can deduce that 9-6=3.
Me+gum+getript=3 as well.
I feel so bad in this game, I'm getting punished because I got mad at a fundamentally wrong mafia play that I think is cheating.
Ryan still refuses to show any semblance of coherence whatsoever, I'm busting my head reading filters all day trying to come to logical conclusions and I'm getting fos'd.
Anyway, do we agree holyflare now that the majority didn't find him town at that point?
Do we agree that I was greener than a Peter Jackson prairie film shot?
Do these 2 points make my argument about ryankoshi's 180 feasible at all? How is the bolded true at all? You also can't include yourself in the anti rayn train or mderg BECAUSE YOU TWO ONLY SWITCHED TO RAYN AFTER HIS SWITCH. That would be a good question if you hadn't read my posts. I said that it was a hypothesis of mine, ryan was afraid of me turning against him so he had to fos me. I even explained that in my calculation Show nested quote +We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left. Honestly I don't like how you keep talking for him. You guys made a big deal about mderg standing up for me but here you are swallowing his spit.
I have no idea how you can be so far removed from thread sentiment to believe the nonsense you are spouting. Even if you are mafia.
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On April 03 2014 23:55 Palmar wrote:
Why are you entirely dismissing the option of gumshoe being mafia Steveling? Do you think it's reasonable of gumshoe to drop all his suspicions of rayn who was previously his strongest scumread, the second rayn stops trying to lynch him?
I said this when ryankoshi made their case against gumshoe.
Many of his seemingly antitown plays can be attributed to his usual playing style.
Since I played with him a game before I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Then again ryan made some a couple good points against him but still I can't ignore the complete randomness of ryankoshi, their 180 on gum had to be scumplay, can't explain it otherwise.
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Woah, both you and ryanskohi are just talking nonsense and making strawmans.
Whenever I say something I try to back it up.
Meanwhile this is your response
On April 04 2014 00:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:59 Steveling wrote:On April 03 2014 23:40 Holyflare wrote:On April 03 2014 23:34 Steveling wrote:
As I explained, I was the most green player.
I was so green that when gum proposed me as mayor couple people were like "whatever, ok".
That's why he was afraid.
And if you go back to ryan's filter you will notice that he did that mental gymnastics with gumshoe exactly when I was in the mayor talk, which I didn't even want to, as I said I have no experience as mayor.
Pay attention pls, if they are scum, they know that I am town. And I was not 100% with them against gum which means they could very well lose the cell, right?
It also explains his fixation on getript.
Don't forget that while they made some good points about gumshoe, he doesn't have a valid point against getript(besides getript's very early weird posts which are not enough for the heat he's receiving by rayn imo).
And I'm getting down to my previous point, the majority didn't thought of him as town.
We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left.
From these 11 coal and ceph were lurking. That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi.
With the power of logic we can deduce that 9-6=3.
Me+gum+getript=3 as well.
I feel so bad in this game, I'm getting punished because I got mad at a fundamentally wrong mafia play that I think is cheating.
Ryan still refuses to show any semblance of coherence whatsoever, I'm busting my head reading filters all day trying to come to logical conclusions and I'm getting fos'd.
Anyway, do we agree holyflare now that the majority didn't find him town at that point?
Do we agree that I was greener than a Peter Jackson prairie film shot?
Do these 2 points make my argument about ryankoshi's 180 feasible at all? How is the bolded true at all? You also can't include yourself in the anti rayn train or mderg BECAUSE YOU TWO ONLY SWITCHED TO RAYN AFTER HIS SWITCH. That would be a good question if you hadn't read my posts. I said that it was a hypothesis of mine, ryan was afraid of me turning against him so he had to fos me. I even explained that in my calculation We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left. Honestly I don't like how you keep talking for him. You guys made a big deal about mderg standing up for me but here you are swallowing his spit. I have no idea how you can be so far removed from thread sentiment to believe the nonsense you are spouting. Even if you are mafia.
0 arguments.
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On April 04 2014 00:04 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:55 Palmar wrote:
Why are you entirely dismissing the option of gumshoe being mafia Steveling? Do you think it's reasonable of gumshoe to drop all his suspicions of rayn who was previously his strongest scumread, the second rayn stops trying to lynch him? I said this when ryankoshi made their case against gumshoe. Many of his seemingly antitown plays can be attributed to his usual playing style. Since I played with him a game before I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Then again ryan made some a couple good points against him but still I can't ignore the complete randomness of ryankoshi, their 180 on gum had to be scumplay, can't explain it otherwise.
That's what you're not getting, it doesn't have to be scumplay. In fact it cannot be explained as scumplay. You're vastly underestimating the pull people like me, rayn and HF have in a thread. Like Slam saying something is not the same thing as rayn saying something, you can't just count players who said "this guy is town" and assume that's thread sentiment.
If me and rayn agree on a lynch, that guy is generally going to be lynched, no matter what geript or someone else has to say about it.
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On April 04 2014 00:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:04 Steveling wrote:On April 03 2014 23:55 Palmar wrote:
Why are you entirely dismissing the option of gumshoe being mafia Steveling? Do you think it's reasonable of gumshoe to drop all his suspicions of rayn who was previously his strongest scumread, the second rayn stops trying to lynch him? I said this when ryankoshi made their case against gumshoe. Many of his seemingly antitown plays can be attributed to his usual playing style. Since I played with him a game before I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Then again ryan made some a couple good points against him but still I can't ignore the complete randomness of ryankoshi, their 180 on gum had to be scumplay, can't explain it otherwise. That's what you're not getting, it doesn't have to be scumplay. In fact it cannot be explained as scumplay. You're vastly underestimating the pull people like me, rayn and HF have in a thread. Like Slam saying something is not the same thing as rayn saying something, you can't just count players who said "this guy is town" and assume that's thread sentiment. If me and rayn agree on a lynch, that guy is generally going to be lynched, no matter what geript or someone else has to say about it.
Actually, reading that, you make sense.
Unfortunately because this allows for cheating(imo) stuff like the oath thing.
I'm pretty sure if mine and gum's positions were reversed and I were to say the exact same phrase as gum ryan wouldn't even think about it for a second.
That's why I said it's bad play.
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Not like you said anything of substance so far Palmar.
How come you and holyflare are not making any progress and ryan is incomprehensible?
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I think it's fairly obvious me and palmar are trying to get to the bottom of your alignment.
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Not ryan's alignment? xD
This is cringeworthy.
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No because me and palmar explicitly state we think he is town? I don't get how you aren't seeing this...?
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On April 03 2014 23:26 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 14:30 getmoript wrote:
Scumreads:
rayn, Balla, prp.
Rayn is making up meta to push on us and that's really ridiculous. Also, there's simply no way we can let him be mayor because he's mafia. Like, his tone regarding the number of times that I post is really, really bad because it's almost the complete opposite from Cultured. (Also he is unaware of the fact that there is a hydra here and we are being diplomatic. Wtf rayn I mean really now)
Cephiro said some things that I'm not comfortable with, but there's no way he would defend both rayn and prp is he was actually mafia. I don't think that makes any sense and I'm sticking to prp as the scumread here. (Though he needs to talk more like super bad.)
Balla sounds exactly like suki did during Cultured which makes me nervous because I nearly got lynched for that shit before. Balla is mafia. Probably trying to make me run in circles giving off reads and shit in order to keep me preoccupied making big posts instead of solving the game.
Will read into the other cells soon.
~Cav lol what is this? Both you and geript have called me scum, but then reasoned it with shit that has nothing to do with me. Geript with that prplhz post Cavalinho with stuff about a different person in a different game. Cav like... this makes no sense, and even if it made sense, you would have needed to back it up, (for example: quoting shit that shows suki doing the same thing as I am)
Two things:
1) I can't multquote on Kindle because honestly fuck that.
2) Already talked it over with G because I'm getting focused on the wrong stuff again. I'm filter diving your cell and posting something more logical the second I can get my hands on a computer.
Also Rayn why are you so content ignoring meta in trying to push me?
~Cav
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On April 04 2014 00:30 Holyflare wrote:
No because me and palmar explicitly state we think he is town? I don't get how you aren't seeing this...?
Yes I got that, what I'm questioning is the way you did it and how this oath shenanigan absolutely didn't weigh at all in your judgment.
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On April 04 2014 00:44 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:30 Holyflare wrote:
No because me and palmar explicitly state we think he is town? I don't get how you aren't seeing this...? Yes I got that, what I'm questioning is the way you did it and how this oath shenanigan absolutely didn't weigh at all in your judgment.
Because it's rayn and he does that all the time and i weighed up why he would switch like that as mafia or town and the mafia reasons equate to looking more towny and the towny reasons are much more abundant
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So what are you saying to me.
Are you saying I should dismiss that oath ploy and count him town?
Imagine yourself in my position, what should I do as town?
Honest question.
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On April 04 2014 00:47 Steveling wrote:
So what are you saying to me.
Are you saying I should dismiss that oath ploy and count him town?
Imagine yourself in my position, what should I do as town?
Honest question.
Realise that this makes gumshoe even more likely to be scum.
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Yes but that's coming from your perspective, as someone who knows rayn and before I went mad with the oath thing yesterday.
I can't flip now on ryan and expect you guys to believe I'm town.
And I would be fine with that if this was a normal setup since you would have my reads and the people who jumped on me as potential scum but we will lose my cell if you lynch me so I have to try my best and not give up.
If this was a normal setup my last post in this game would be from yesterday.
So I'm trying to figure out why ryan did what he did only to find out that you veteran guys have preconceived notions about ryan.
I feel lost and confused. Also sad.
Hug pls.
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On April 04 2014 00:21 Holyflare wrote:
I bet my life i am town.
Can we please not do this.
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On April 04 2014 00:23 Steveling wrote:
Not like you said anything of substance so far Palmar.
How come you and holyflare are not making any progress and ryan is incomprehensible?
Look.
I've decided rayn is town. I'm not going to lynch rayn. I'm confident in this read.
This means you're mafia or gumshoe is mafia or I'm awful. I think the third option is the least likely.
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On April 04 2014 00:57 Steveling wrote:
Yes but that's coming from your perspective, as someone who knows rayn and before I went mad with the oath thing yesterday.
I can't flip now on ryan and expect you guys to believe I'm town.
And I would be fine with that if this was a normal setup since you would have my reads and the people who jumped on me as potential scum but we will lose my cell if you lynch me so I have to try my best and not give up.
If this was a normal setup my last post in this game would be from yesterday.
So I'm trying to figure out why ryan did what he did only to find out that you veteran guys have preconceived notions about ryan.
I feel lost and confused. Also sad.
Hug pls.
Just going to say this is really mafia-esque thinking.
~rayn
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