EPTOn April 02 2014 19:18 Steveling wrote:
Oh sry, it was just a ''you'' to ''of'', just a typo.
Oh sry, it was just a ''you'' to ''of'', just a typo.
just don't do it. Even for typos. hosts will get mad.
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On April 02 2014 19:14 Palmar wrote: Does it not bother you at all that Steve's approach seems to be "Keep all my options open"? He gave reasoning for it and I don't find the reasoning scummy. His analysis post on gumshoe and us doesn't fit the "Keep all my options open". Just the lack of a hard stance. I am not bothered. | ||
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1) i lied to rayn in another game and he lynched me. he was mafia and because i do the same thing here he also must be mafia here 2) He does not consider Steveling mafia and he should because of probabilities ???? Well here are my answers: 1) Your heuristic is bad. If you do scummy stuff you are more likely to be scum. Some other game has nothing to do with this. You lied in a place where no townie should lie, it does not achieve anything and you clearye were not even trying to achieve anything. You can't just say "i must be town because i have done a similar thing in another game". If that was the case mafia would be an easy game to play as scum, just copy paste your posts from your townie games. 2) I should not. I know one of you two is mafia. If i am sure you are mafia i don't need to consider Steveling being mafia. I don't need to weigh any probabilities, if you are scum then you are scum and my read on Steveling has nothing to do with it. You can't brush off my case (which you btw didn't even answer) just because "Steveling hasn't talked". Steveling talking or not talking has nothing to do if you are mafia or not. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:23 Steveling wrote: I didn't say I won't bother with other cells, just that each and every one of us should have an analysis of our cell first. After that we can do whatever. Ask me and I'll answer for whomever no biggie. Do you think the thread atmosphere is currently favoring town? | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:23 Steveling wrote: I didn't say I won't bother with other cells, just that each and every one of us should have an analysis of our cell first. After that we can do whatever. Ask me and I'll answer for whomever no biggie. No i don't want to ask. I want to know who YOU think we should be focused on. I want you to weigh the possibilities because i want to know what YOU think is important. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:39 Holyflare wrote: Look at my cell, specifically what i wrote about mderg and then compare it to what gumshoe said about a lot of people scum reading him. Do you agree that scum are thr ones pushing mderg? excellent question. I am doing same thing atm. | ||
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On April 02 2014 14:35 getmoript wrote: Rayn I have an important question for you. Koshi isn't allowed to answer. I want you to rate your #1 issue with me. ~g I'll give the thread all the issues: My #1 issue with you is your flip-flopping on your reads. At the start of the game you are sure Slam is scum. Very very reasonable. However when other people (mainly me) agree with it you start defending him. You should be even more sure of the read, even if you think i am mafia, because if i am mafia and i "incorrectly read" Slam's alignment there is a high chance that backfires on me. At the start of the game you say HF should be policy lynched because he is either right or bussing. Now you say HF is pushing town wrong direction. Contradiction. You don't comment on my reads. You just say you disagree with them for no reason, you just say i am wrong without telling me why i am wrong. + Cavalinho has no reads all he has talked about is some mayor crap. My #2 issue with you is that your tone changes in ungeript-y manner. At the start of the game you say things. We disagree.. I call you scum. You yell at me and you tell the thread i am scum. Then you say more things. I say more things. You disagree with me again. However you are not aggressive any more. You don't comment on why you disagree with me on what we disagree. Instead you are defensive and passive. Normally as town geript, if he disagrees with someone, comes to a conclusion that person is mafia, or he voices his argument vocally and tries to convince the other person in a way or another. Here you just give up but you still disagree and noone even knows why. My #3 issue with you is that you and Cavalinho are not on the same page in this game. Cavalinho has no idea why your reads are what they are and i find it incredibly unlike that would be the case if you were town. On top of that Cavalinho is scared to voice his opinions on everything that's going on in thread. The only thing he comments on is setup talk. He has no opinions on anything and he doesn't even know why you think what you do. It seems like you guys don't even talk about your reads with each other. ~rayn | ||
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No gumshoe uses that to defend himself. He says it's unreasonable and scummy for me to call gumshoe mafia because based on probabilities i should consider Steveling possibly mafia, and therefore i can't call gumshoe mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:54 Palmar wrote: Right so when you say "he" you mean from gumshoe's pov, ie: rayn = he. Ok. Yes. I understand the confusion, that was worded poorly. ~rayn | ||
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what do you make of the tehpoofter posts? Because tehpoofter his early posting is horendous. First post: "I wanted to roll scum because this setup is scum favored because you can just make cases on your own cell and win, I will not make cases on my own cell" Second post: "I think geript is scum because he disagrees with prplhz who is in his cell" (There is nothing from tehpoofter on the actual argument on which geript disagrees) Third post: "I disagree with prplhz" Fourth post: " amagad I just realized prplhz and geript are in the same cell? " | ||
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How can he call geript scum solely for calling out prplhz? 6 minutes later forget prplhz and geript are in the same group. While in between those 2 posts he made a post disagreeing with prplhz which is basically what geript was doing. | ||
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On April 02 2014 20:07 Holyflare wrote: Not really read through him since last night but i remember thinking" i disagree with everything he is saying but it looks like he has a mindset to find scum with some kind of plan" and that was pretty much it at the time. Will look again when at pc. Exactly. That is the problem. tehpoofter gives himself a guidebook to play at in his first post and then he plays by this guidebook without thinking through the actions. | ||
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1) says scum is favored this game because they can simply scumhunt only in their cell, says he won't comment on his own cell until they are up for lynch. (which is not the right conclusion to make for town, town should just focus in their cell AND hunt outside, not simply ignore his own cell till the day they need to get lycnhed. 2) says geript is scum for attacking prplhz because he is from his own cell but he doesn't mention the argument that geript attacks. (there is no thought behind this, just following the rules he set up in his first post, what if what prplhz wrote was a direct scumclaim?) 3) attacks the same person geript attacks. (again attacks him for the policy tehpoofter set up in his first post, but while he attacks prplhz he must consider that the reason why geript) 4) Indicates that in his mind geript & prplhz are still both mafia. Also tehpoofter completely forgot that geript and prplhz are in the same group?? (to me this just looks like tehpoofter is trying to downplay his first 2 scumreads as mistake, something to not pay attention to, which is exactly what we should do because his scumreads are based on a policy he invented to be active early game) Here are the Quotes I am referring to. On April 02 2014 08:55 Tehpoofter wrote: So looking at this setup when it was first announced I really wanted to roll scum in it because its really scum favored. I think in this setup the ideal play for scum would be to just make cases on people in their own cell and try to get one of them either read as town or more ideally read as scum early and often. As scum you basically do your job if you accomplish a misslynch on the day your cell comes up for lynch. I therefore think that it is not very advantageous for people to say anything about people in their own cells cause as town the way we can win is by making connections between people in different cells. So I will be posting and making reads on the people outside of my cell only until it comes time for my cell to be up for debate then obviously I will make my reads known on them at that point but I think before then having to establish connections and conversations with those outside of your cell is the best plan for town and those not doing so will lean more scummy to me. The only thing I will say about my group is this: I'm fairly new to forums and I feel like I've been read as town by a couple of people in previous games with strong voices like Rayn pretty early on so I think putting my cell in to the first lynch cycle would be a good idea because being new easy town read gives town a 50/50 shot on the first day which is really good odds I think whoever is mayor should be trying to make groups orders based on cases where at least one person in the group is easily read as town and or mafia because we can narrow our odds to a 50/50 or 100% vs a group with say people with less polarized scum /town games On April 02 2014 08:57 Tehpoofter wrote: I don't like this first post by geript his first post of the game is to go out and accuse someone who is in his cell. I find that really scummy because of how this game is setup. Just in general I find it scummy because of how this setup looks to me. He also reaches out to rayn and from what I know of rayn he is a tunneling type player who will push push push for a read so if geript as scum can get town rayn thinking prplhz is already scum right off the bat this is ideal for him. I think he might have been trying to accomplish that. here. This is the exact thing I brought up in my first post about how I think scum would ideally play this game to give them the best chance at winning. @geript do you think my assessment of how the ideal town play to ignore the people in your cell until your lynch day is a good way to force people to read others and make connections is bad? If so can you ignore the others in your group until then? (obviously still get reads and have that ready for your lynch day but until then pretend they're not important to read) On April 02 2014 09:02 Tehpoofter wrote: I 100% disagree with this line of logic and is probably something I would have said had I been scum. (I thought way too much about this the night after I /ind this game) This is not a good idea because town needs to draw connections day to day and if its 3 people just fighting it out each day then we have to read them right every day whereas if you are forced to connect with people outside your cell we have chances to see things like scum/scum buddying/defending which will never happen if you only focus on your own groups..... prplhz looking scummy off this post. On April 02 2014 09:03 Tehpoofter wrote: I just realized both prplhz and geript are both in the same group... damnit 3 posts in and I'm already at least wrong once. | ||
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On April 02 2014 14:14 Tehpoofter wrote: @gumshoe that being said as for scum the biggest one for me is prplhz I said earlier in a post he said he wants people to just focus on the people in their groups as thats their best chance of hitting mafia. Statistically it is the best chance but people should read everyone. I also really dislike the post where he claims hes being ignored to me thats like he wants to be read as town for posting and is mad his work is going to waste. ^ after multiple hours Tehpoofter his only scumread (or biggest) is still based on his policy.... So unimpressed. | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote: Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. No i actually don't. Maybe you will tell me. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 20:43 Steveling wrote: Well, the way I see it, is you may be lying about his meta, he may just be a newbie player. What's the point of Holyflare lying about someone's meta as mafia? That would make him scum for people for something he didn't really need to do in the first place. Also do you think he is lying or not, you are not really commiting to an answer? You just say maybe he is lying or maybe he is not, what's your conclusion. Is he lying? ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:00 Holyflare wrote: Why are you being incredibly obtuse? His posts are so mafiay it's hard to believe you are somewhat defending him. "i agree with this" "i don't like that you meta yourself" and policy/defending someone out of the blue is so hiding behind fake activity it doesn't matter what his meta is. So why do you bring up the meta then? ~rayn | ||
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Quite certain of it.
