EPTThis game is so fucking easy for the town.
I think it's solved already.-
~rayn
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This game is so fucking easy for the town. I think it's solved already.- ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote: I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:45 Tehpoofter wrote: The summary of the plan Scum hunt outside your group openly and scum hunt inside your group privately until its your lynch day then bring it all out so that mafia has a harder time not connecting with their team. Drop this line of thinking right now. For other people they need to read 3 people in your group to find 1 mafia. For you you need to read only 2 people. You have advantage if you are town. If you share your thoughts on your cell aswell it gives other people a better read on you, which makes it easier for them to read you. Reads like "well this dude is town so this other dude must be scum" are shit and not worth sharing because it hinges on you being town and other people do not know if you are town or not, but legit reads. Always share. Makes my work solving the game much easier. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:47 Holyflare wrote: Read mdergs game i linked, read what i wrote. - 1 scum, next cell plz. read my filter. most likely +3 scum. Plammer group is mystery. | ||
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Slam not happy, Balla seems town and LSB too. gumshoe because he is unreasonably mad at me from the beginning, he also lies and has a completely different stance on "proving towniness" matter than in WHWC game. Steveling didn't say anything yet. geript makes awful cases, uses bad logic and wants to policy lynch people in a game where you don't need to policy lynch in any situation. prplhz looks okay and Ceph hasn't said anything. From the last group i have a read on Sentinel in a way or anohter but it's not strong so i don't want to elaborate more on that yet. Palmar could go either way until he talks more and so can Coag. I'm off to bed so talk more tomorrow. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:20 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm fine with that and honestly think its a good idea and stated so in my first post. It really bugs me you don't see my logic. This is the same thing like when I was talking about the lynch at the end of the Titanic game maybe I'm completely wrong but I like my idea. I'll explain it one last time, if I were scum all I would have to do is just read my own group over and over maybe get in a yelling match with a town in my group over days at a time spend it calling him scum and comment on nothing else so even if I do get flipped as scum I never commented on anyone else in my scum team and town would have gotten one scum but have no real leads from my end as to who to go on next. Where as if I am commenting the first day on people outside my group then get into a match like that on my lynch day I have left behind bread crumbs to find the rest of my scum team. Like this seems simple to me, I'm not saying I'm not scum hunting my group just that you shouldn't scum hunt your group (cause as multiple people have pointed out its the easiest place to read!) publicly the first day but other groups so there is forced connections. Nobody is asking you to comment ONLY on your group. We are asking you to comment on your group AND OTHER GROUPS, because we have 5 groups where each one has one mafia. If you are mafia you need to make up a shit read one one person in your group, so yes, it's fucking scummy to not comment on your own group. ~rayn | ||
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What you are doing is this: You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia. Can you see why it's scummy? ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:+ Show Spoiler + This is a few choice qoutes from Rayn's play in witchcraft 2, where he orchestrated a mislynch on me day 1. Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best. I can't read OO for shit. I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts. Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell. gumshoe .... thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely. ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts. hzflank i can read. Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die. and yeah, that's it. After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too.. I am also trying to be not pissed off with gumshoe but it's really hard.. Probably someone from gumshoe/Umasi/Onegu depending on what happens tomorrow. thrawn stared making sense. ##Vote: gumshoe just because i do not like anything he has said this game. bh no, i do not remember his play from Basterd. I remember he claimed on N1 but i don't even remember why. After that he has been modkilled for inactivity or soht because i accidently outed him as blue (in a game i somehow thought everyone was blue) while he did pretty much nothing. 50% of my case on him is that i want him to actually say something uselful and 50% is that what he has said is either faked for no reason or useless contributions or something that makes no sense to me. Pretty harsh on me in general, take a good look at that last qoute, notice how Rayn believes my meta works against me there? Next Compare all those lines to these ones that make up Rayn's current stance on me. I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn This next bit is one exchange between us. That last quote here also has my meta working against me and in general theres an overall tone of disdain once again in Rayn's voice, just like in Witchcraft, another funny thing is that I actually lied in witchcraft as well to try and bait scum, just like I did this game. Rayn knows exactly what I'm capable of and how to exploit that and of course he hammers me for it in this game just like hes done before. Witch gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum. Cell So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. Next up, look at this recent game where were both town for comparison. gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia? see gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers: 1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both 2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right? So, my question to you is: I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question? I think the confusing part here is that gumshoe assumes/says Palmar thought i was scummy for my question and therefore questioned me. Not that Palmar was trying to get a read on me. gumshoe how do you ended up to this conclusion in the first place? Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable. I have been really really sure since i started telling him why i thought his case on Palmar was dumb and started explaining him what Palmar meant with his posts. Take note of the last quote, he thinks I'm town here because of dumb stubborn play, whats different this game Rayn? Also the tone, while still inquisitive, is much lighter than that of the excerpts from the first two sets listed. Scum like sure things, Rayn has had success beating me straight up before, he feels confident he can do it again. A good example of this kind of behaviour in scum is how Suki went after cav in cultured the same way she did in the first newbie game they played together. The prefer to tackle targets who they can beat, thats why from the get go Rayn has been spinning everything I say as scummy, watch how he twists what I say and do over and over again. HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE???? Here he attacks me for defending "confirmed scum" geript, of course Geript is not 100 percent scum and Rayn admits as much himself later on here, but that didnt stop him from using a shitty read to attack me via association. Heres another Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. What I mean here is that I suspect hes scum, therefore why do I need to tell him anything that would worsen my odds of catching him. Of course he zeros in on the "you dont owe me anything" part because thats what his agenda calls for, he will tear apart all my statements and alter to them just to make me look bad. Heres another example of Rayns twister skills. gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable? After I answer him honestly, Rayn comes back with this. So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. To adress the bolded first, he completley disregards cultured mafia, the game where Holy bussed his team and completley blind sided me/town, I had this much to say to Holy afterwards cant bilieve you massacred your team like that, dont listen to what anyone says (not that you would) that takes 3 testicles and no heart, wp sir. At the end of day I was willing to lynch every other person in the game (myself included probally) before you, and that sentiment carried through all the way to lylo. Hope we can play more games like this in the future ( : Of course, Rayn pretends this game never happens because it doesn't fit his narrative, and thats what hes doing guys, hes crafting a narrative, telling us all a bedtime story so he can slit our throats and steal our shit while we sleep. As for his point about me contradicting myself, first of all let me ask you, does inconsistency a scum make? No, motive and/or a lack of effort do and my actions suggest neither (I have contributed since games start and made suggestions that scum would pale at the mere thought of uttering). That said, hes twisting the truth here yet again. "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. I care what town thinks of me and I'm trying to prove my alignment through contribution, I do not however give a shit what my top scum read thinks and I will lie all day to him until he flips red or reasonably proves himself to be green. He twists this into me not caring about what town thinks as a whole, when in reality anyone who actually reads what I'm saying for themselves can pretty much tell that my words are directed at Rayn and Rayn alone. Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. gumshoe: "The most daming thing is that rayn thinks I am scum while Steveling has yet to open his mouth, rayn and I should be 50/50 to each other, him pushing me as scum is scummy. But my conclusion is that rayn is 90% scum." -ok then gumshoe- | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote: Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? ah Balla. So smart. | ||
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Your initial reads on our group? What is your opinion on mderg? How do you read Alakaslam? Give me your biggest townread and for what post? Just use 1-2 lines of text. I would love to have some quick conversation. I will be f5ing like a madman. | ||
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Reading rayn filter is always a pain. Mine is never better. gl hf  | ||
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On April 02 2014 17:41 Steveling wrote: Wait am I supposed to filter you 2 separately? I thought hydras play as a hive mind, sry if I'm wrong this is my first hydra game. Nono. Filter this account. rayn signs his posts. | ||
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We got decent filters so who are you leaning scum on? On April 02 2014 17:47 Steveling wrote: That's what I mean, what does it matter which of the two of you said what, as long as I treat you as 1 person it's fine right? rayn & I are different people with different opinions. You got 2 people you can use to determine the hydra his allignemnt. It's a bit messier than a not hydra but it can be more powerful obviously. | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:05 Palmar wrote: I tentatively think rayn is town. He's a bit too angry for my liking but his point on gumshoe looked really town to me. I thought you might be scum then I realized you're in group with gumshoe who I also think is scum, so now I'm just confused. Steve his filterdive of gumshoe touches a lot of points I didn't like about gumshoe. Like the strange defense of gum to geript. If we take into account Steve didn't yet filter my hydra makes me feel good about him. I don't really know what to make out of the fact Steve is not taking an harder stance on gumshoe scum but I think he is just waiting a return from gumshoe to make a "final" verdict. Anyway. My group is going to get figured out Quite certain of it. | ||
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