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On April 02 2014 05:36 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 05:31 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 05:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Okay geript is scum. There is no way he is town in this game.
Reasoning: You don't policy lynch in this setup. You don't even think about it because you can read the other two people in the group and decide the lynch based on reads on those people.
There is no way geript brings up some fluff like policy lynches as town. Not in this game. The post prplhz quoted is full of nothing, policies after policies. The post is nothing and says nothing useful.
~rayn It's because we want mayor. No other reason. You haven´t really elaborated on why you should be mayor, though. Right now you´re basically just saying that you´re awesome and should be mayor... doesn´t really convince me.
I'm a super readable player as either alignment. If you can't read me, then you have a second chance to get it right in Cav. Third, it's not just a vote for mayor, it's a vote for who is town. If you're town, you should 100% want someone who will 100% explain their choices of who they want to lynch in each group AND explain why they ordered the groups the way they did. Me and Cav will decide our own order as mayor. Maybe it will be the same as towns (if we like their order), maybe not. I don't know yet as we haven't talked about hammering out the order yet. But he and I 100% will explain who we want to lynch in each group and why we chose the orders the way we did. And if you don't like how we do it, then you can hold us responsible for our order.
~g
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On April 02 2014 05:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##unvote
~rayn
esplain
~g
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On April 02 2014 05:46 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 05:42 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 05:36 mderg wrote:On April 02 2014 05:31 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 05:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Okay geript is scum. There is no way he is town in this game.
Reasoning: You don't policy lynch in this setup. You don't even think about it because you can read the other two people in the group and decide the lynch based on reads on those people.
There is no way geript brings up some fluff like policy lynches as town. Not in this game. The post prplhz quoted is full of nothing, policies after policies. The post is nothing and says nothing useful.
~rayn It's because we want mayor. No other reason. You haven´t really elaborated on why you should be mayor, though. Right now you´re basically just saying that you´re awesome and should be mayor... doesn´t really convince me. I'm a super readable player as either alignment. If you can't read me, then you have a second chance to get it right in Cav. Third, it's not just a vote for mayor, it's a vote for who is town. If you're town, you should 100% want someone who will 100% explain their choices of who they want to lynch in each group AND explain why they ordered the groups the way they did. Me and Cav will decide our own order as mayor. Maybe it will be the same as towns (if we like their order), maybe not. I don't know yet as we haven't talked about hammering out the order yet. But he and I 100% will explain who we want to lynch in each group and why we chose the orders the way we did. And if you don't like how we do it, then you can hold us responsible for our order. ~g \ Town and scum are expected to do this regardless, someone goes dictator mode at their own peril. If someone wants to look obviously scummy as mayor when they are 33 percent scum they are doing town a favour, the order doesn't really matter seeing as the votes are still in towns hands / :
There's maybe 2 other players in the game who are willing to do this (Rayn/Koshi, Palmer); the former of those two I really don't trust right now and the latter can go IDGAF mode. Plus, I'm clearly the second best player in this game AND you have an extra head who's also a solid player to read from. As town, you get TWO heads making the decision instead of one and one who tryhards all the time as town.
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And no, I don't trust "town' to make the right vote without guidance.
~g
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[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:57 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:27 getmoript wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
fuck that geript post is bad.
~rayn[/QUOTE]
We're going to have to rumble if you don't think I'm autotown. 1) Like at first I thought Koshi was town for being excited to post 2) then I wasn't sure because I don't know if Koshi would be excited to post as scum. Then you +1'd the bad prplhz post. Now you don't like my post. I'm seriously reconsidering moving your group up to first if you don't explain this.[/QUOTE
1) You thought I was town based on my post this game.
2) You don't think I am town because some meta reason that you didn't check. (So you go back on your townread for a reason that you basically pulled straight out of your ass.)
I didn't check the things you said about rayn his posts. [/QUOTE]
No, it was based on the fact that you posted on your account early into the game. Like I was already logged onto this account and I think you're the type of player who really enjoys playing town. So posting early like that would be semi-alignment indicative of you rolling town this game. The problem is that I have a super hard time reading you and just trust Rayn on reading you honestly, the problem though is that I don't like rayn's posting this game and it's not like I can ask him for a read on you. So me not saying I think you're town (early when you posted) isn't a bullshit read, it's just an impression that I got but one that I dismissed because I don't think it's relaible and it'll be way easier for me to read rayn to get your alignment than it will for me to try and read you.
[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:03 getmoript wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much
so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.
dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.[/QUOTE]
Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum?[/QUOTE]
I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective.
~rayn[/QUOTE]
So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die.[/QUOTE]
I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it.
You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever).
But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead.
~rayn[/QUOTE]
No I don't like your reasoning. I'm not saying you're wrong on what you've said (skimmed), but the stance:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much[/quote]
Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically.[/QUOTE]
Why does prplhz's "stance" mean anything? That's not what i read. Or, it's what i read but what i read between the lines is "prplhz doesn't care about who the mayor is and if prplhz talks about mayor election or who should be the mayor much in this game he is probably scum because he didn't care about it". I agree it does not matter shit who the mayor is.
So can you now explain why it matters and if you can't why are you talking about this shit? You are starting to annoy me.
~rayn[/QUOTE]
Specifically, this is why I think Rayn is scum. I'm clearly town here. Cav is clearly town here. Rayn not finding prplhz's stance odd and asking "Why does prplhz's stance mean anything" is a really bad question from him. He's played a number of PYPs etc and he's seen a number of very odd stances but I can't think of a single game where I've ever seen town come out and say, "Maybe this mechanic doesn't matter." It's not a stance where prplhz is flat out saying something like I did in PYPLOL, "The bans don't matter and I don't care about them. I'd rather use this time to find scum." It's not like the stance that Rayn took in that game either where, "Bans 100% matter and we should 100% ban out GF/Framer type roles." The fact that prplhz doesn't take a hard stance on either end is SUPER ODD. Rayn not helping to pressure prplhz more because of that is really questionable and Rayn 100% loves to chainsaw onto town to protect his scumbuddies. To explain more:
VE has a meta read on prplhz which is "If he brings up policy d1 he is scum." All he did early on was policy about random stuff hydras etc. Plus he had that exceptionally weird "maybe the mayor doens't matter stance." I'm going to put the stamp of approval 100% as confirmed scum on prplhz. It literally doesn't make any sense. Rayn backing up prplhz stance saying, "I don't think the mayor matters either" isn't the questionable thing to me. That's a normal stance to take. It's specifcally the "MAYBE the mayor doens't matter." Adding in maybe there is ridiculously odd and Rayn not reading it that way especially when prplhz finishes the post saying that he cares about the order of the lynches WHICH IS WHAT THE MAYOR DECIDES is super weird. I have a really hard time thinking any towny could ever post that. So Rayn trying to pressure me here instead of prplhz is super suspect.
On top of that, Rayn should 100% have a supertown read on me right now and should not have retracted his vote for me for mayor. Me/Cav are such obv town it's not even funny. Him not townreading me here when he 100% should is really sketchy. Plus when you read prplhz's filter like none of it makes any sense whatsoever. I have to go to work and would explain more but I'll let Cav step in and explain why you guys should clearly be voting GETMORIPT for mayor.
~g
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On April 02 2014 06:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
How about you tell me why do you want to lynch townies to prove their reads good instead of lynching scum which results to the same, geript?
~rayn
Me wanting to lynch HF is 100% not alignment indicative and you know that. We both know he can bus hard as scum and we both know his town game is decent. Me wanting to lynch him is more me wanting to lynch him. Like, obviously if I have a scumread on one of the other two, then I'm going to lynch my scumread. That's not going to make me want to policy lynch HF anyless. More than policy lynching him though, I 100% don't like him living past day 1; he's fully capable of pied pipering the town into stupidity as scum and one that I don't trust allowing him to live.
As for policy lynching palmar, it's something that I think is useful but that really depends on where the game is at when he comes up for lynch. Like if we're up 2-0 and I don't have a good read on any of those 3, then I want to lynch Palmer because we get to know that his opinions are trustworthy for the last 2 lynches. If it's 1-1, then it's a good bit tougher. Obviously if it's 0-2 then you go to lynch scum. It's something I've been thinking of since he joined but knew would depend on who's in his group and what the situation would be and (of course my alignment). It's by no means a flat out, LYNCH PALMER WITH FIRE TO GET INFORMATION UNDER EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE POLICY LYNCH. It's a strategy to maximize information but clearly situation dependent on where/when his group comes up and where we're sitting int he game.
~g
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On April 02 2014 06:32 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:22 getmoript wrote:
Specifically, this is why I think Rayn is scum. I'm clearly town here. Cav is clearly town here. Rayn not finding prplhz's stance odd and asking "Why does prplhz's stance mean anything" is a really bad question from him. He's played a number of PYPs etc and he's seen a number of very odd stances but I can't think of a single game where I've ever seen town come out and say, "Maybe this mechanic doesn't matter." It's not a stance where prplhz is flat out saying something like I did in PYPLOL, "The bans don't matter and I don't care about them. I'd rather use this time to find scum." It's not like the stance that Rayn took in that game either where, "Bans 100% matter and we should 100% ban out GF/Framer type roles." The fact that prplhz doesn't take a hard stance on either end is SUPER ODD. Rayn not helping to pressure prplhz more because of that is really questionable and Rayn 100% loves to chainsaw onto town to protect his scumbuddies. To explain more:
VE has a meta read on prplhz which is "If he brings up policy d1 he is scum." All he did early on was policy about random stuff hydras etc. Plus he had that exceptionally weird "maybe the mayor doens't matter stance." I'm going to put the stamp of approval 100% as confirmed scum on prplhz. It literally doesn't make any sense. Rayn backing up prplhz stance saying, "I don't think the mayor matters either" isn't the questionable thing to me. That's a normal stance to take. It's specifcally the "MAYBE the mayor doens't matter." Adding in maybe there is ridiculously odd and Rayn not reading it that way especially when prplhz finishes the post saying that he cares about the order of the lynches WHICH IS WHAT THE MAYOR DECIDES is super weird. I have a really hard time thinking any towny could ever post that. So Rayn trying to pressure me here instead of prplhz is super suspect.
~g Why didn't you ask prplhz about it instead of just going ham on it right away? To me it seems pretty obvious what prplhz was saying and I think he WAS taking a stance. But even so, how does him adding the "maybe" qualifier make him scum (why does not taking a stance make him scum)? Townies are unsure all the time, even about setup talk. You're arguing 2 things here from what I can tell 1) Prplhz is scum because he's not taking a stance 2) Prplhz is scum because mayor DOES matter and I disagree with both of them.
Honestly, is this just your "off" town game or are you scum here? Like I really can't see you having read prplhz's filter and think he's town here. Like you haven't bothered to explain even a soft townread on him and not in any way trusting my reads here is really suspect of you. I really can't wrap my head around it.
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On April 02 2014 06:36 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:33 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 06:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
How about you tell me why do you want to lynch townies to prove their reads good instead of lynching scum which results to the same, geript?
~rayn Me wanting to lynch HF is 100% not alignment indicative and you know that. We both know he can bus hard as scum and we both know his town game is decent. Me wanting to lynch him is more me wanting to lynch him. Like, obviously if I have a scumread on one of the other two, then I'm going to lynch my scumread. That's not going to make me want to policy lynch HF anyless. More than policy lynching him though, I 100% don't like him living past day 1; he's fully capable of pied pipering the town into stupidity as scum and one that I don't trust allowing him to live. As for policy lynching palmar, it's something that I think is useful but that really depends on where the game is at when he comes up for lynch. Like if we're up 2-0 and I don't have a good read on any of those 3, then I want to lynch Palmer because we get to know that his opinions are trustworthy for the last 2 lynches. If it's 1-1, then it's a good bit tougher. Obviously if it's 0-2 then you go to lynch scum. It's something I've been thinking of since he joined but knew would depend on who's in his group and what the situation would be and (of course my alignment). It's by no means a flat out, LYNCH PALMER WITH FIRE TO GET INFORMATION UNDER EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE POLICY LYNCH. It's a strategy to maximize information but clearly situation dependent on where/when his group comes up and where we're sitting int he game. ~g No you just said you want to policy lynch them. You can't policy lynch them and lynch someone else. So you agree your first post was literally full of shit? This one: + Show Spoiler +On April 02 2014 05:02 getmoript wrote:
So I've skimmed so far.
Cell 1
Raynpelikonoshi--Very tempted to lynch because I can't read Koshi and I don't think Rayn has called me super town yet
Gumshoe--solid player with alright reads generally but pretty obvious as scum
Steveling--???
Cell 2
Holyflare-scum
Tehpoofter--very good player, still adjusting to forum, low volume poster
mderg--?????
Cell 3
Palmar--strong player
Sentinel--I don't really remember him much
Coagulation--Policy lynch option, both lurkers
Cell 4
Balla24--meh
LSB--meh
Alakaslam--likely scum
Cell 5
Getmoript--clearly town, great at endgame, super stronk townie
prplhz--decent player, generally low volume, scummy first post
Cephiro--solid playler
Rayn I'm having a hard time reading Koshi... Why wouldn't he push himself for mayor on D1/0 whatever it is today?
Like Cell 2 is obviously the best first lynch. HF busses as scum and has ok reads as town. I'd love to policy lynch him and under no circumstances should he ever be allowed to mid-late game. Cell 3 should be the third lynch 100%. Palmar is someone who, for lack of a better lynch, we can lynch and then sheep his reads; I'm tempted to move this up to slot 2 because Palmer tends to get worse as time goes on. Cell 4 should probably be the second lynch though because they're mostly unreadable and I want to lynch Alakaslam so that makes that pretty easy. Cell 1 is clearly next because me and rayn usually click on things and in case town hasn't won by then me and Rayn should easily be able to finish it off or I'll hammer Rayn to win the game for town.
2->4->3->1->5 is clearly the best pattern and me/Cav should 100% be the mayor. Like it's obvious, I refuse to let anyone else be the mayor and will policy lynch anyone who goes against me as mayor. ~rayn
No it wasn't. Me and Cav are clearly town here. You should obviously be reading me for town here. Like you say it's full of shit and completely ignore the fact that I want to lynch Alakaslam with fire; I'm nailed him every time and he's 100% the lynch from that group. Like you don't even get why I want to lynch prplhz. I don't even get why you're trying to bury me here. I cannot see you not supporting me here as town.
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On April 02 2014 06:42 Palmar wrote:
I like the redundant ~rayn part of your posts.
I'm okay with going in on day 1 with my group. It's by far my best day anyway.
Read Rayn. He's totes scum here and I want you to back me up both for mayor and for lynching rayn, prplhz and alakaslam.
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On April 02 2014 06:42 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:37 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 06:32 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 06:22 getmoript wrote:
Specifically, this is why I think Rayn is scum. I'm clearly town here. Cav is clearly town here. Rayn not finding prplhz's stance odd and asking "Why does prplhz's stance mean anything" is a really bad question from him. He's played a number of PYPs etc and he's seen a number of very odd stances but I can't think of a single game where I've ever seen town come out and say, "Maybe this mechanic doesn't matter." It's not a stance where prplhz is flat out saying something like I did in PYPLOL, "The bans don't matter and I don't care about them. I'd rather use this time to find scum." It's not like the stance that Rayn took in that game either where, "Bans 100% matter and we should 100% ban out GF/Framer type roles." The fact that prplhz doesn't take a hard stance on either end is SUPER ODD. Rayn not helping to pressure prplhz more because of that is really questionable and Rayn 100% loves to chainsaw onto town to protect his scumbuddies. To explain more:
VE has a meta read on prplhz which is "If he brings up policy d1 he is scum." All he did early on was policy about random stuff hydras etc. Plus he had that exceptionally weird "maybe the mayor doens't matter stance." I'm going to put the stamp of approval 100% as confirmed scum on prplhz. It literally doesn't make any sense. Rayn backing up prplhz stance saying, "I don't think the mayor matters either" isn't the questionable thing to me. That's a normal stance to take. It's specifcally the "MAYBE the mayor doens't matter." Adding in maybe there is ridiculously odd and Rayn not reading it that way especially when prplhz finishes the post saying that he cares about the order of the lynches WHICH IS WHAT THE MAYOR DECIDES is super weird. I have a really hard time thinking any towny could ever post that. So Rayn trying to pressure me here instead of prplhz is super suspect.
~g Why didn't you ask prplhz about it instead of just going ham on it right away? To me it seems pretty obvious what prplhz was saying and I think he WAS taking a stance. But even so, how does him adding the "maybe" qualifier make him scum (why does not taking a stance make him scum)? Townies are unsure all the time, even about setup talk. You're arguing 2 things here from what I can tell 1) Prplhz is scum because he's not taking a stance 2) Prplhz is scum because mayor DOES matter and I disagree with both of them. Honestly, is this just your "off" town game or are you scum here? Like I really can't see you having read prplhz's filter and think he's town here. Like you haven't bothered to explain even a soft townread on him and not in any way trusting my reads here is really suspect of you. I really can't wrap my head around it. Where did I call him town or scum? Also your VE meta read of him is BS because prplhz talked about setup early a bit as town in default suspicions, plus this is a new setup for everybody so obviously people are going to want to talk about that. Why didn't you answer my questions and also do you actually have knowledge of my meta or are are you just randomly saying stuff, what do you mean by my "off" town game?
That was at rayn
~g
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On April 02 2014 06:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
geript can we policy lynch you on D1 so we can all trust your insanely good reads?
~rayn
Fuck no. Then we aren't lynching prplhz
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Know what, I'm a lock. Lynch me. Know prplhz is scum then lynch Rayn and Slam. Make me mayor and I'll set it up. Like no way Rayn is town here.
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On April 02 2014 08:57 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much
so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.
dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch. Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum? I don't like this first post by geript his first post of the game is to go out and accuse someone who is in his cell. I find that really scummy because of how this game is setup. Just in general I find it scummy because of how this setup looks to me. He also reaches out to rayn and from what I know of rayn he is a tunneling type player who will push push push for a read so if geript as scum can get town rayn thinking prplhz is already scum right off the bat this is ideal for him. I think he might have been trying to accomplish that. here. This is the exact thing I brought up in my first post about how I think scum would ideally play this game to give them the best chance at winning. @geript do you think my assessment of how the ideal town play to ignore the people in your cell until your lynch day is a good way to force people to read others and make connections is bad? If so can you ignore the others in your group until then? (obviously still get reads and have that ready for your lynch day but until then pretend they're not important to read)
No. Ideal town play is to evaluate everyone. A strong town read vastly improves odds of hitting scum outside your pod and makes a 100% lynch in pod. Plus it lets you work together more in lynching correctly by getting honest opinions.
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On April 02 2014 09:45 Palmar wrote:
like I haven't really read the thread but the current suggestion seems to be putting up unreadable players early and good players late?
So we just lose straight up if we mislynch the unreadable people twice and the first good player batch happens to be a good player batch with a strong mafia player?
I honestly don't think the order has any impact on the game at all. But I'm fine with being first.
GetCavRipt has a new mayoral slogan. We will put up group 3 first. If Palmar does not prove his towniness then we will lynch the fuck out of him for he is scum. Vote town for mayor. Getmocavript is town. Ergo vote for us.
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On April 02 2014 09:45 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 09:43 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 09:42 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:41 Palmar wrote:
yeah I think this part of the game is dumb. I'll be checking in again in two days. Isn't this part of the game your jam? No, this is worse than the number picking part of pyp No it's not. I ahve already found 2 mafia. ~rayn
Which 2. Koshi you can answer this if Rayn isn't around.
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On April 02 2014 10:18 Holyflare wrote:
Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one.
Esplain
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I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work.
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On April 02 2014 10:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote:
I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn
God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it.
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