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On April 02 2014 13:19 gumshoe wrote:Holyflaire. this game Show nested quote +i really don't think it matters, we just lynch through the people not on suki and win x_x The last quote is from Holy's scum game in cultured mafia. Scum want town atmosphere to be one of two things, lax, or utterly chaotic. Lax especially if they feel they're in a good position, which Holy definitely is considering his cell mates are relative unknowns. Scum holy likes to present easy options, lets him minimize his contribution to the game, I'm not impressed with him so far, so hes my pick for scum over mdern.
Why did you do this and say i'm taking the easy option but you know... Leave out all the evidence why i said what i said? You seemingly AGREE with me seeing as you quoted yourself as a person attacking mderg but suddenly out of the blue you 180 your read on him because too many people are on him.
If you think mderg is scummy then to you AT LEAST 3/6 of those people in your list are town. You defend geript so you think he's town and balla looks really towny. So really, 5/6 people on mderg should be town to you. Only rayn is left and your case on him made 0 sense. So really. You're ignoring evidence from this games posting style to flip your read because a bunch of townies are on mderg.
Why you throw suspicion on everyone gumshoe?
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On April 02 2014 19:35 Steveling wrote:
Pick two between slam, tehpoofer, holyflare, balla, sentinel and prplhz and I'll go hunting.
Look at my cell, specifically what i wrote about mderg and then compare it to what gumshoe said about a lot of people scum reading him. Do you agree that scum are thr ones pushing mderg?
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On April 02 2014 13:34 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:31 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 13:26 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 13:20 Balla24 wrote:
@gumshoe well, independent of the # of people attacking him do you townread him or scumread him? Your quote there doesn't really indicate either way whereas the rest do. I think hes town and I felt that was totally obvious 0_0 Twas not (I mean, its obvious that you think he's town based on the # of people attacking him, but not otherwise), if you have previously reasoned it out please link/quote me, if not why do you think he's town? (Again, independent of the # of people attacking him and just based on his play) Its almost purely because of the ratio of players, he is a meh player who is capable of playing very bad and too many people have jumped on him, I have also pointed out holy as an alternative scum in that group, what do you think of him?
This post is really strange too. I pointed out a link to a game mderg has played as town which showed that he was inquisitive and pushed reasoning and then i compared it to this game where he just observed things and nothing else. Why does gumshoe not take this into consideration? If he read that game he'd know that mderg is capable of not shit play and then he would see the vast differences here but instead he attacks the people attacking mderg.
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On April 02 2014 19:42 Steveling wrote:
Holyflare why did you say that mderg is the scum in your group in your first post?
You didn't quote anything.
I saw that he wasn't asking inquisitive questions that a towny would but instead was saying generic things like "i agree" and "i don't like this". I then looked at a game that lsb linked of mderg's where i saw that as town he was fully capable of making connections and inquisitive posts.
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On April 02 2014 19:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:46 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 19:42 Steveling wrote:
Holyflare why did you say that mderg is the scum in your group in your first post?
You didn't quote anything. I saw that he wasn't asking inquisitive questions that a towny would but instead was saying generic things like "i agree" and "i don't like this". I then looked at a game that lsb linked of mderg's where i saw that as town he was fully capable of making connections and inquisitive posts. Can you point out the connections and inquisitive posts you say he's making in that game? Here's the link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mderg
Like every post of his shows he's developed a thinking over time of who could be scum and why and pointing out things that don't add up. Now look at his posts this game, not really the same at all. There's 1 liners galore, policy posts that don't really add to anything and then the defence of another player based on nothing.
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On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
No you can have him when I'm done rayn.
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him.
Stop wasting my time on obvious shit.
On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise. I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important. Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me.
Shows he's looking at people's direct responses and comparing them to how they should respond in a normal situation.
Also his post on you at the start of his filter is followed up by his continued suspicion later on in his filter etc etc. He shows thought processes. This game is a total disconnect of just replies.
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On April 02 2014 19:56 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
@ Holyflare
what do you make of the tehpoofter posts?
Because tehpoofter his early posting is horendous.
First post:
"I wanted to roll scum because this setup is scum favored because you can just make cases on your own cell and win, I will not make cases on my own cell"
Second post:
"I think geript is scum because he disagrees with prplhz who is in his cell" (There is nothing from tehpoofter on the actual argument on which geript disagrees)
Third post:
"I disagree with prplhz"
Fourth post:
" amagad I just realized prplhz and geript are in the same cell? "
Not really read through him since last night but i remember thinking" i disagree with everything he is saying but it looks like he has a mindset to find scum with some kind of plan" and that was pretty much it at the time.
Will look again when at pc.
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On April 02 2014 11:13 Habout ourlare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 11:08 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 10:54 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 10:51 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 10:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
The summary of the plan Scum hunt outside your group openly and scum hunt inside your group privately until its your lynch day then bring it all out so that mafia has a harder time not connecting with their team. Drop this line of thinking right now. For other people they need to read 3 people in your group to find 1 mafia. For you you need to read only 2 people. You have advantage if you are town. If you share your thoughts on your cell aswell it gives other people a better read on you, which makes it easier for them to read you. Reads like "well this dude is town so this other dude must be scum" are shit and not worth sharing because it hinges on you being town and other people do not know if you are town or not, but legit reads. Always share. Makes my work solving the game much easier. ~rayn I will read my group and am reading my group but posting about it today I find useless and if you don't want to do that thats your prerogative but I think its an awesome idea and I'm going to do it either way cause I think its way more townie to do so. I will give my reads come cell 2 lynch day. Comment on what you think of mdergs. You just said we should auto lynch 100% scum and your read on him weighs into that. I will not be commenting on what I think you or mderg's alignment is until its day 2's lynch day. I'm looking for scum elsewhere. I don't really see you doing that, just pointing out things that you would do "if you were scum". I've pointed out a more than obvious conclusion on someone in our cell that the whole thread is now privy to. Why neglect to comment on that at all? Today is the day we scum hunt. Why hold back information that follows that instead of talking about it? Connection theories are great but not something you should withold reads on someone very scummy for.
It's stuff like this. Mderg would be an easy target to latch onto and super push if poofter was scum because he sure as shit wasn't going to push me, yet, he wanted to withold stuff about our cell and get more information and then come out when it was our turn with information. He needed to be pressed a shit tonne to even respond about mderg.
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Ahaha my phone fucked up and i started typing into the quote without knowing it so my name got fucked up
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I don't know what palmars line of questioning achieved other than a waste of my time at something he could easily see for himself
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On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote:
I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced.
Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter.
Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason.
I've already answered it and I'm not fixated on anything. Point out what you don't like about what i said and how that corresponds to mderg this game. Also, mderg/poofter contains 1 mafia so of course I'd push the person that i think is mafia at the time what kind of statement is that?
Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what?
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On April 02 2014 20:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 20:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. No i actually don't. Maybe you will tell me. ~rayn Holyflare made a meta case on mderg based on his posting in the first three hours of this game, accusing him of not drawing any conclusions and just commenting on stuff. To back up his case he went back and found some random game from 2 years ago. The post Holyflare specifically points out is something like 3 days into the game. Do you think Holyflare actually believes this is valid reasoning?
I mention his post on you which is his first post in the game. It is also not a random game, it's the one lsb linked.
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On April 02 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 20:05 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
No you can have him when I'm done rayn.
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. Stop wasting my time on obvious shit. On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?
To coerce him into talking, of course.
mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.
Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise. I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important. Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me. Shows he's looking at people's direct responses and comparing them to how they should respond in a normal situation. Also his post on you at the start of his filter is followed up by his continued suspicion later on in his filter etc etc. He shows thought processes. This game is a total disconnect of just replies. You don't know yet whether or not he's going to follow up on his thought processes.
That's the point. Point out to me something that indicates a thought process is forming rather than him talking about policy or randomly defending Steve?
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Why are you being incredibly obtuse? His posts are so mafiay it's hard to believe you are somewhat defending him. "i agree with this" "i don't like that you meta yourself" and policy/defending someone out of the blue is so hiding behind fake activity it doesn't matter what his meta is.
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I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity.
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On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity. That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does.
I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game.
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On April 02 2014 21:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity. That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does. I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game. And that post is 24 hours into the game. Your point?
Seriously, wtf are you doing? REGARDLESS OF META, his posts this game say absolutely nothing. I don't honestly care if his post happened 4 days into the game or 4 hours into the game. If i metad him wrong, boo hoo, i didn't read well enough about the time in a game.
It's very simple for mafia to hide behind posts like he's made. Either way, i asked steve what he thought of people blindly agreeing with what i said, what is YOUR opinion on that seeing as you say it's wrong. I haven't really seen your opinion at all on anything.
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Gumshoe thought rayn was scum in heavyweight so i take everything he says about rayn with a pinch of salt.
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On April 02 2014 21:59 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:27 Holyflare wrote:
Gumshoe thought rayn was scum in heavyweight so i take everything he says about rayn with a pinch of salt. This game is completely different, Rayn in my eyes is literally 50/50 on scum and I read steve as town from his new posts. I also realized Rayn was town that game of my own accord(heavy that is). If you wanna call me scum, do so, but please don't shit on my reads by using a totally different game for reference.
You used culture to call me scummy in this game to discredit me and then tell me not to shit on your reads? Isn't that what i should be doing as scum?
You used a meta on rayn that didn't make sense to call him scum this game too whereas i don't think he is scum. Why does he NEED to call you anything so early into the game when he can be pointing out scum in other groups and coming back to you or steve later to push a mislynch?
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