EPTOn March 27 2014 18:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
do you think palmar read his PM?
yes or no
do you think palmar read his PM?
yes or no
Do you think Palmar will not try to play like town if he does not read his Role PM?
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Do you think Palmar will not try to play like town if he does not read his Role PM? | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:45 thrawn2112 wrote: you're avoiding the main issue for you to take the position you're taking, you HAVE to be telling us that you think palmar is lying abotu reading his PM. there is no other possible way for you to think that he's mafia Oh.... I get it. Basically, if Palmar has not read is Role PM, he has no incentive to play like scum, is that what you are getting at? the problem is, with this argumentation every scum get's a "free out of jail"-card, because PoE can be close to impossible on D1. So if I have to decide, I tend not to believe that Palmar did not read his PM. Everything else brings us in a situation where he is basically unlynchable D1, and that's not a situation town wants to be in. | ||
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On March 27 2014 19:03 Palmar wrote: I was useless for "several pages" because I wasn't being talked to. But Robik wanted to talk to you! Ah yeah, wait, we already know the answer: On March 27 2014 17:07 Palmar wrote: Sorry about that Robik, I genuinely intended to talk to you but I did not play all that much yesterday, and I have a hard time focusing on other things when I think I know something's up. Well, if you had no time, how come that you posted 21 posts in the next 54 minutes in the thread after the below post? On March 27 2014 01:16 Palmar wrote: Do you wanna talk because marv is an asshole Robik? You were clearly reading the thread and found time to post, but still you chose not to interact with robik. | ||
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On March 27 2014 19:06 Palmar wrote: I never intended to really reveal that I hadn't read my role pm, I've done it without saying anything about it before. It's not a trap because I never intended to catch anyone. The reason I didn't post more than I did had nothing to do with whether or not I know my alignment. Can you explain us why you tell us that you have not read the role PM? | ||
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On March 27 2014 19:26 Palmar wrote: Because I already knew I hadn't said anything that was contradictory or could otherwise be interpreted as something scummy. Also marv is really, really hard to lynch as mafia, especially on day 1  But what do you expect us to do with this claim? Seriously, Palmar, if the roles are reversed and I come out with this claim after being pushed as lynch, wouldn't you insta-vote me? Why do you expect us to believe this claim? If we are to believe it, you are basically lynch-immune this day, and you know that that is stupid as fuck. ##vote: Palmar | ||
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On March 27 2014 19:38 Palmar wrote: I'm not lynch immune dude, if people want to lynch me they can. Thing is marv's case is based almost entirely on him knowing how I play as each alignment, and thus by definition it has to be wrong if I don't know my alignment. You're ignoring the other half of my post. Also, by not reading your PM you're basically on the knowledge-level of a townie. I therefore would expect you to play like town. If you play like scum, you're whole "I never read my PM" story is unbelievable, because its probably only a try to not get lynched. If you play like town, you never need to claim (or reveal, if true) that you did not read your PM, because you well not get lynched (except if town is retarted, which is clearly not the case here). Therefore, every time someone claims he has not read his PM when getting pressure needs to be lynched. Marvs case is completely irrelevant in this context. | ||
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On March 27 2014 20:00 Palmar wrote: also @phagga if you doubt the validity of my claim that I didn't read the role pm, go check my early posts. In a lot of them during the argument with gumshoe I talk about my alignment, but I never say anything that implies I know it. That does not matter, see my other post. | ||
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I also find his whole "but did you consider that Palmar did INDEED not read his PM" stuff scummy. | ||
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On March 28 2014 15:33 thrawn2112 wrote: I think rayn, marv, and robik are pretty obviously town. I think the way gumshoe has attacked palmar at the beginning (would have been a buss right from the start) and rayn just recently (if he's mafia he's picking a strange target to call mafia) indicates that he is town. Holyflare? eh. I still think some of the stuff he's done is scummy but my heart is telling me that he's probably town and I'm just a bit annoyed with him. I think his personality in this game is much the same as his dick-town personality from his last game, and I must give him some town points for pointing out palmar's slip, whihc is really the first thing that made me reasses my early town read on palmar. Then there's prplhz, and I'm not exactly sure how I'm supposed to go about reading him? I don't really think he's mafia though, just on the tone of his posts. I'm curious if marv has any tips on reading prplhz. So that leaves phagga, who I think is mafia. + Show Spoiler [quote 1] + On March 26 2014 16:32 phagga wrote: Haven't read everything past this post: You have twisted rayns words around. Rayn never says he reads robik town because of his smilies, as was explained before. Also: Let me say in different words what rayn said: "I don't believe the smilie thing is a reliable tell, but we'll see about that when / if he does that in a couple more games and if he's right or wrong". That's how I understood it at least. It's possible that you just misunderstood that second sentence, but rayn told you (at least once, perhaps even several times) that you are misreading it, and you just kept on pushing your points. So, I don't like your position currently. Will read the rest of the thread now. "I don't like your position currently." What does this have to do with finding mafia? Phagga has made it pretty clear that he thinks holyflare is on the "incorrect" side of this rayn/hf argument, but he concludes nothing about holyflare's alginment despite this. I am not even saying that phagga should be calling hf scum here, jsut that he should at least have an opinion on holyflare's alignment if he's going to go to all the trouble of combating holyflare's arguments. This post is part of a longer discussion, where I agree at the end that rayn antagonized HF nedlessly. His initial question is "what do you make of this set of events?". The point is that HF was clearling misrepresenting / misunderstanding the things rayn said, and I tried to figure out if this was intentional or not. When I wrote the above post, I thought it was intentional, hence the phrase you've emphasized. It's meant to mean "I don't like your position in this argument, while I think rayns position is fine". => I thought HF was scummy because he was ignoring rayns hints that HF was misreading the situation. I later realized that I was wrong about that. + Show Spoiler [ quote 2] + On March 26 2014 22:47 phagga wrote: I don't like his non-comment on HF/rayn, and the fact that on D1 Palmar would normally be working harder for a lynch (although is still rather early in the day, that might change). But I wouldn't lynch him over Thrawn currently. The bolded part is what makes phagga mafia. I think it is odd that he felt that he needed to include that last line. IF phagga is mafia then he knows palmar is mafia, and he knows that he needs to be careful when talking about palmar. So I think that his answer of "yes, I agree that palmar is scummy, but I don't want to lynch him" is a very tactful way of allowing himself to not disagree that his teammate isn't scum, yet still keep his vote on a townie. + Show Spoiler [quote 3] + On March 27 2014 17:13 phagga wrote: up to page 35 rayn - Several points that I liked through the game: Behaviour around Palmar-gumshoe, His explanations regarding robik, his robik-read, his case on thrawn HF - town for HF/rayn-argument gumshoe - probably town for his exchange with Palmar IAmRobik - leaning town, I can follow his explanations about tone and the storyline holds up marv - I have no clue. He is being such a dick with witholding information that I feel unsure now prplhz - Null. Scummy points: no reads after readthrough, very passive, townie points: is prplhz Palmar - might be scum. I don't know what he is doing or what he hopes to achieve, but it doesn't really remind me of town Palmar, and I cannot see a townie motivation behind is behaviour thrawn - scum Some of these reads aren't even reads. By that I mean that doesn't actually define the reads in a way that allows people to hold him accountable for them either. The reads on prplhz/palmar are what I'm talking about. The other reads are based off an ill-explained small pieces of information. I also think it is interesting that he had the most to say about palmar, yet his read was still inconclusive. I clarified what I meant regarding Palmar here. I have played with prplhz before, so I know he is sometimes hard to read. That's what I wanted to say in a joking way. So now we have to ask, did phagga bus palmar? His vote was the 5th vote on the palmar wagon, which is generally within the range when "I guess my partner is being lynched for sure" buss votes pile on. I don't know why phagga decided to change his vote. Once he initially voted for me during the early game he was pretty set on lynching me for most of the day, while being mostly wishy washy about palmar. So why did this change? Once it was clear that palmar was going to be lynched, phagga became all about that palmar lynch, and this is why I think phagga changed his mind about lynching thrawn before palmar, because he knew he needed to end up on the palmar wagon. Yeah well, perhaps you should read my filter, my vote is clearly explained here and here. | ||
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On March 28 2014 17:52 prplhz wrote: dunno really i think your "wait up people, if palmar didn't read his pm we shouldn't lynch him" was a little too crazy for you to be scum with him though at the same time i don't see what people likes about phagga so much, his interactions with palmar don't seem like something you couldn't pull off as scum. also in this post he's all "meh i dno" about palmar but then here he's all "marv's case is really good", if he think that marv has a really good case on palmar why is his read on palmar then so meh? you were also around for lynch while phagga wasn't and that's bonus points for you and deductions for phagga I wasn't "meh i dno", I said he could be scum for the way he behaves, specifically for not commenting on anything and instead bicker uselessly with Marv. How does my agreement with marvs case contradict that statement? And I'm assuming for now that the last sentence is a joke. | ||
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Yes, because I haven't had time to read up on you, so I'm still on the same stance as yesterday | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:18 prplhz wrote: i simply just think that "completely agree[ing]" with a giant marv case would lead to a stronger read than what your expressed in your list Agreeing with marvs case came after I made that list. I don't see the issue. last sentence isn't a joke You don't know my schedule, you don't know if it was possible for me to be there or not which makes it a joke. | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:33 thrawn2112 wrote: iirc phagga defended me at first? then all the sudden he flipped this switch and I became mafia for the rest of his filter so much so that he said that even though he was reading palmar as wishy washy maybe scum, he'd still rahter lynch thrawn then it became obvuous that palmar would be lynched and phagga decided he didn't care too much about his thrawn read Where did I defend you? And last time I checked there are 2 mafia in this game, how is it a problem when I have 2 scum reads. | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:43 thrawn2112 wrote: you replies to a bigass case i wrote against you and you didn';t think about your thrawn read during that? A bad case doesn't make anyone necessarily scum, although it certainly didn't make you look more townier to me. Although I agree that the fact that you said you wouldn't know why I voted palmar gave me the impression you did not read the thread which is a scummy thing. | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:47 prplhz wrote: marv's case was waaay before you made your list though I wrote here "up to page 35", marv's case is on page 37. | ||
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On March 28 2014 22:41 Holyflare wrote: Prob phagga he just came in to defend himself and left and i didn't like his thrawn accusation at start of day because I got overrun with work today. I just finished everything and will go home now. Might possibly be online again in like... 2 to 3 hours? Also, weekend is family time, my activity will generally be VERY low on weekends. I should be online tomorrow night because i have to work from home for a few hours. | ||
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On March 29 2014 03:23 Holyflare wrote: just to clarify, you're shooting me right? of course, you're the towniest motherfucker in town. | ||
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On March 30 2014 07:18 gumshoe wrote: Yeah, I'll vote phagga, [/quote[] And why do you think I'm scum? | ||
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