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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 26 2014 06:47 GMT
#261
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here

he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 06:49 GMT
#262
To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.

thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 26 2014 06:52 GMT
#263
On March 26 2014 15:36 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 15:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 15:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
phagga:

I thought rayn was lying about point #2 because of how stupid it was. So I thought he was scum reading robik but I wanted to make sure I was interpreting the post correctly

apparently #2 is truth so rayn's mafia

So here you literally prove you have no idea why i am townreading Robik and have no intention of figuring that out. In my "game" post i never explain why i townread Robik, it's pretty clear from that post. You are too smart to make dumb conclusions based on incomplete information and that's why i think you are mafia.

Can you explain us why you townread robik?


what do you make of this set of events that just happened? i like that you jumped back to robik's post about not seeing any rayn town games so what do you think of rayn saying me pointing it out is shit logic? and why does he not want to talk to me if he thinks i'm capable of doing this "shit logic" as town?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 06:53 GMT
#264
On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here

he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not

What does this have to do with anything i have said?
I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 26 2014 06:54 GMT
#265
On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.

thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here.


wtf are you talking about? you're just saying words

do you really wanna stand by the statement that town thrawn doesn't jump to conclusions?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 26 2014 06:56 GMT
#266
On March 26 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here

he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not

What does this have to do with anything i have said?
I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way.


so WHY NOT SAY THIS 4 PAGES BACK INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S SHIT LOGIC how the fuck do i know how robik plays and when he points out that he hasn't read any of your town games i just take that lying down? no i push that

you could have said anything to stop me doing this but you perpetuated that it was a bad case, shit logic, don't want to talk to me etc etc

why?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 06:56 GMT
#267
Like Robik has played three games on TL. Almost all the people he has played with here he has never played forum mafia with before. He forms reads like this all the time, in every single game, on almost every single person. It has nothing to do with meta, it has to do with tone, and that's why your logic is bad.

There is a difference between meta and tone.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 06:57 GMT
#268
On March 26 2014 15:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here

he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not

What does this have to do with anything i have said?
I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way.


so WHY NOT SAY THIS 4 PAGES BACK INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S SHIT LOGIC how the fuck do i know how robik plays and when he points out that he hasn't read any of your town games i just take that lying down? no i push that

you could have said anything to stop me doing this but you perpetuated that it was a bad case, shit logic, don't want to talk to me etc etc

why?

Because i wanted to see other people's opinions on this and i caught mafia!thrawn.
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 26 2014 06:57 GMT
#269
On March 26 2014 15:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Robik has played three games on TL. Almost all the people he has played with here he has never played forum mafia with before. He forms reads like this all the time, in every single game, on almost every single person. It has nothing to do with meta, it has to do with tone, and that's why your logic is bad.

There is a difference between meta and tone.


i have played 0 games with robik so i have no idea what he does or doesn't do, why are you implying i should know this and therefore my logic is bad instead of telling me the reason beforehand?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 06:58 GMT
#270
Like Holyflare. I really implied this many times, in almost all in my posts.
There is no way thrawn thinks i am mafia. If he was town he would have questioned me about my posts and intentions.
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 26 2014 06:58 GMT
#271
On March 26 2014 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 15:56 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here

he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not

What does this have to do with anything i have said?
I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way.


so WHY NOT SAY THIS 4 PAGES BACK INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S SHIT LOGIC how the fuck do i know how robik plays and when he points out that he hasn't read any of your town games i just take that lying down? no i push that

you could have said anything to stop me doing this but you perpetuated that it was a bad case, shit logic, don't want to talk to me etc etc

why?

Because i wanted to see other people's opinions on this and i caught mafia!thrawn.


no this is you being full of shit
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 07:00 GMT
#272
On March 26 2014 15:57 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 15:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Robik has played three games on TL. Almost all the people he has played with here he has never played forum mafia with before. He forms reads like this all the time, in every single game, on almost every single person. It has nothing to do with meta, it has to do with tone, and that's why your logic is bad.

There is a difference between meta and tone.


i have played 0 games with robik so i have no idea what he does or doesn't do, why are you implying i should know this and therefore my logic is bad instead of telling me the reason beforehand?

Because i thought you would see the difference between meta and tone.
I think it's quite clear from Robik's posts. Also if YOU had checked his meta (previous games) you would see this is what he ALWAYS does, and therefore it's a town tell or at worst a null tell (as he has never played as mafia on TL).
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 26 2014 07:01 GMT
#273
On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly

so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine.

and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense.

so what is going on?



this is a legit good post for thrawn to make and he backed it up with research as well
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 07:02 GMT
#274
On March 26 2014 15:58 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 15:56 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're misconstruing the timeline of events here

he says he can read you town based off of one alignment null post ----> i ask him why ----> he says just because and then elaborates some bs about smileys that isn't true in any of your games and doesn't apply to your first post at all ---> then says it must be true based off of one games reading when you were mafia but in a bad game ----> then says he hasn't read any of your town games so doesn't actually know whether what he says is true or not

What does this have to do with anything i have said?
I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way.


so WHY NOT SAY THIS 4 PAGES BACK INSTEAD OF SAYING IT'S SHIT LOGIC how the fuck do i know how robik plays and when he points out that he hasn't read any of your town games i just take that lying down? no i push that

you could have said anything to stop me doing this but you perpetuated that it was a bad case, shit logic, don't want to talk to me etc etc

why?

Because i wanted to see other people's opinions on this and i caught mafia!thrawn.


no this is you being full of shit

Trust me i am not. I guarantee you thrawn.
I also would like you to read my posts again and explain to me why i am full of shit. What does not add up?
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 26 2014 07:02 GMT
#275
On March 26 2014 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 15:57 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2014 15:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Robik has played three games on TL. Almost all the people he has played with here he has never played forum mafia with before. He forms reads like this all the time, in every single game, on almost every single person. It has nothing to do with meta, it has to do with tone, and that's why your logic is bad.

There is a difference between meta and tone.


i have played 0 games with robik so i have no idea what he does or doesn't do, why are you implying i should know this and therefore my logic is bad instead of telling me the reason beforehand?

Because i thought you would see the difference between meta and tone.
I think it's quite clear from Robik's posts. Also if YOU had checked his meta (previous games) you would see this is what he ALWAYS does, and therefore it's a town tell or at worst a null tell (as he has never played as mafia on TL).


tone on a forum from a first post that contains 3 words means nothing

why would i check someones meta so soon?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 26 2014 07:05 GMT
#276
On March 26 2014 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Holyflare. I really implied this many times, in almost all in my posts.
There is no way thrawn thinks i am mafia. If he was town he would have questioned me about my posts and intentions.


this 1000x applies to you
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 07:06 GMT
#277
On March 26 2014 16:01 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly

so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine.

and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense.

so what is going on?



this is a legit good post for thrawn to make and he backed it up with research as well

No it's not because before this thrawn has voted for me.
Later on whehe he explains why he voted for me he does not say "at first it was pressure (or whatever) and seemed a bit scummy and then rayn did not explain himself despite me asking him to do so". He has really no intention of figuring out what i mean, i even say multiple times "you don't even know why i have a townread on Robik" yet he still assumes he knows why and does not ask me why nor does he re-think his vote.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 26 2014 07:07 GMT
#278
On March 26 2014 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 16:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly

so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine.

and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense.

so what is going on?



this is a legit good post for thrawn to make and he backed it up with research as well

No it's not because before this thrawn has voted for me.
Later on whehe he explains why he voted for me he does not say "at first it was pressure (or whatever) and seemed a bit scummy and then rayn did not explain himself despite me asking him to do so". He has really no intention of figuring out what i mean, i even say multiple times "you don't even know why i have a townread on Robik" yet he still assumes he knows why and does not ask me why nor does he re-think his vote.


and i do the same thing but you say i am town, you dismiss everything anyone says and don't even question your read on a player that you have seen play mafia 0 times
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2014 07:08 GMT
#279
On March 26 2014 16:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Holyflare. I really implied this many times, in almost all in my posts.
There is no way thrawn thinks i am mafia. If he was town he would have questioned me about my posts and intentions.


this 1000x applies to you

That's not true Holyflare.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 26 2014 07:08 GMT
#280
lol rayn it's so funny watching you pretend like you know why i'm voting for you
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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