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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 11:55 GMT
#1324
On March 28 2014 20:54 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 28 2014 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare you can't prove thrawn lied.
It's certainly possible he didn't.

Huuuuuuuh?

Him posting / asking a question from me between my "tone read" post and voting for me does not necessarily mean he lied.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 11:56 GMT
#1325
Like yes, it implies so, but it's not 100% certain.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 11:59 GMT
#1328
On March 28 2014 20:56 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 28 2014 20:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 28 2014 20:54 Holyflare wrote:
On March 28 2014 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare you can't prove thrawn lied.
It's certainly possible he didn't.

Huuuuuuuh?

Him posting / asking a question from me between my "tone read" post and voting for me does not necessarily mean he lied.


He said he voted you on tone before caring about content, he asked you questions about content and only voted you after you replied?

Yes i know. And yes, it implies he lied. But tbh i don't see why would he not just give both tone/content reasons for a vote instead of lying. Like he has both of the reasons in his case, so lying does not even achieve anything in that case.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 12:05 GMT
#1330
On March 28 2014 21:00 marvellosity wrote:
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On March 28 2014 20:57 Holyflare wrote:
And marv you asked what he gained by changing his reads? He enables himself to not be lynched and he falls into town consensus that everyone had already been talking about.

Actually if rayn is accurate, then going from you town to much less town is the opposite of going towards town consensus

But the problem is he has himself (as town as he claims) agreed with literally everything Holyflare says in the game.
After re-read he disagrees with almost everything Holyflare says. I find it very unlikely some alarm bells do not ring in his head regarding question "could town!Holyflare do these things?".

I could understand if there were some red flags in Holyflare's play after his re-read, but it's basically everything Holyflare has done is not any more townie but scummy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 12:06 GMT
#1331
Actually i gotta check if this happens before or after marv's "maybe HF is mafia" post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 12:09 GMT
#1333
On March 26 2014 22:15 marvellosity wrote:
[image loading]

I came across this.
8008135.

rofl
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 12:14 GMT
#1336
On March 27 2014 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
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On March 27 2014 19:01 Holyflare wrote:
this is nothing to do with palmar it's all about you

if he could prove to you that he was towny for you to mention that point in the first quote then all the stuff that happened in the game before that quote wouldn't be actual scum palmar points because then they must be stuff towny palmar can do too otherwise that statement wouldn't be qualified with "so I'd prefer it if you were actually town and could show me."

Are you actually mafia? I'm finding it hard to believe you are genuinely this idiotic

Yeah you said this but thrawn's re-read starts ~14 hours before this so it doesn't mean anything.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 12:17 GMT
#1338
On March 28 2014 21:15 marvellosity wrote:
oh. That wasn't really me calling him mafia, that was me getting frustrated at an exceptionally silly line of questioning.

It was super silly.

yeah but thrawn has already demonstrated he is not reading properly at times so..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 12:25 GMT
#1339
On March 28 2014 10:42 gumshoe wrote:
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On March 28 2014 10:40 marvellosity wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, rayn is totally solved as a player to me and I haven't got his alignment wrong in a very long time spanning a great deal of games. And I'm still not digging him as mafia. So yeah. That's not to say I cannot be wrong, but you're gonna have to sell it pretty good.


I'll probally make a case on him, itll be bad, and then later on you'll realize I was wright with the wrong reasons, then you just make a better one and well lynch him : D ez pz.

gumshoe is this what:
1) town!gumshoe would do
2) you think town!gumshoe would do
3) make up your own answer

??
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 12:26 GMT
#1340
For the record last time you answered (2).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 13:22 GMT
#1345
No it's about the fact that you know you have agreed with what Holyflare has said before the re-read (which means - assuming you are town - that a townie can think a town!Holyflare could do those things). Then you don't even seem to entertain the possibility that town!Holyflare could do those things in your re-read.

As i said, i could buy that if there were some things that imply to you Holyflare is mafia but going from "full sheep Holyflare" -> "all this is shit and Holyflare is scum" seems an impossible conclusion from town perspective regardless of your mindset in the first read.

Also you know i know how shit your memory is because we had this talk in NMM. If i remember correctly i told you to write notes or make your thought process clearer in the first place if your memory is bad, because explaining your thought process is a crucial part of the game.

So based on that the "bad memory" card would be a perfect disguise for mafia!thrawn now wouldn't it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 13:25 GMT
#1347
On March 28 2014 22:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm pretty sure i developed my scum read on you independently of anything holyflare was doing

I don't think it matter if you did so or not because Holyflare said pretty much the same things you did.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 13:27 GMT
#1348
I even made a post where i compared you two and came to a conclusion that Holyflare can be insane and not read properly (because he can) as town, but you are not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 13:28 GMT
#1349
Because i have only seen you do that as mafia -> see Extractor trick.
There you also refused to explain yourself and elaborate further when i called you out for illogical conclusions.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 13:31 GMT
#1352
On March 28 2014 22:30 marvellosity wrote:
Can someone link his Extractor trick filter? I am lazy

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=thrawn2112
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 14:34 GMT
#1367
meh anyways i stop pressing thrawn about this.
it's useless. just scumhunt if you are town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 14:43 GMT
#1374
Well i know who should be Robik's top lynch target.
soo.. who is it Rob?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 14:43 GMT
#1375
okay ninja'd.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 14:52 GMT
#1377
On March 28 2014 23:48 IAmRobik wrote:
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On March 28 2014 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay ninja'd.

omgomgomg. did i get it right!?!?!?

If your reads have not changed after page 36 yes you did.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 28 2014 14:53 GMT
#1379
No Holyflare Robik is not mafia.
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