Newbie Mini Mafia LIV

On March 14 2014 09:19 geript wrote:

Maybe we can both get the same group so I can shadow coach with you? I don't know how effective I was last time. Funny though, my reads were pretty decent.

On March 14 2014 09:42 Promethelax wrote:
Is it okay if I'm given links to Geripts coach qts? That way I can discuss coaching with him and keep him in line, your call though, obviously. Even though you are a hosting thief, you and bh both jumped the queue, ya bastards.

On March 25 2014 13:34 Lord Tolkien wrote:

lies, that would be me

ill fite you if you say otherwise

On March 26 2014 07:33 Lord Tolkien wrote:

rogue has the best winrate in arena.

fking meta sheep.

On March 26 2014 07:38 Lord Tolkien wrote:

http://hearthstats.net/reports/jan/index.html

Check and mate.

On March 26 2014 19:13 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I still need to read the LIII mafia game thoroughly. However.

OnceKing sounds town as all fk. I was originally suspicious of his initial "serious" post due to OK's early Day 1 behavior versus early Day 1 LII newbie mafia game and was going to comment on it, but I re-read the old thread and reversed my initial opinion on it (originally thought it was inconsistent, but I reread his case on Amiko and it didn't mention the lurker lynch policy). He's been pushing town towards active discussion since then, asking for reads, and generally steering conversation towards positive goals, so he's establishing himself as town thus far.

IAmRobik also feels town to me, though I still question why he feels OK's post is out of place given the context (unless it was scumbait, that was my first thought). The post is still useful pressure and discussion for town, though, and there is no reason for scum to be so forward, so early on in the day, especially with the possible game-states (no godfather game-state). And his posts subsequent read fairly town.

Valenius is super town in my eyes, he's cleared for me.

Pixelated is neutral or slightly scummy to me.

Eden feels even more town for me. He's actively pushing the Cavalinho case and scumhunting aggressively in Day 1, while being the most active contributor to the thread thus far. Clearest town poster in my mind, as he's giving reasoned arguments here.

Cavalinho sounds...well, aggressive in all his posts. And he's OMGUSing without presenting a case, period. But given his past game behavior, he also does this when he's town so I'm not sure if my scrumread on him is wrong. Like, this is almost a repeat of LII Day 1 in terms of the Cavalinho lynch progression, however without any substance from him. I'm leaving him as possible scum atm tho I'm confused by it. Maybe the most scummiest read I have, even his past town play aside. Like and should mark him as clear scum, but...might just be his playstyle.


This is actually a strong analysis of what I was trying to say.

You know what, Cavalinho isn't angry and pissed off enough to have the righteous indignation like his LII newbie game, nor still tries to contribute. Or hell, contribute an actual case for his OMGUSing.

sqrtofneg1 has thus far been fairly disconcerting to me. I indulged him with the Hearthstone convo, and I think that's irrelevant to the thread thus far. It was a fair shot at getting something going, if inflating his filter/post. After the first actual serious post to pop up Day 1 (the OK policy lynch), he posted this and didn't respond to the looming topic at hand, then had a sleep post. Like, its non-contributive lurking at best. There was definitely things available to comment on at the time of his sleep post. Hell, by the time of that post, IAmRobik had already made his wtf post about OnceKing's lynch policy post. It piggybacks off IAmRobik's joke posts, but he at least follows up with substance after there's clearly something to respond to. He still has time to become an active contributor, but seems to be a scum lurker to me. Probably my primary lynch target today because I'm still fking confused by the signals given off by Cavalinho's playstyle and posting patterns.


The exact same reason you were pushing on OK for: because it's good to make the appearance of contribution. idgaf about the HS posts too much, but the fact he continued the joke posting and made a sleep post before contributing anything useful makes me unhappy.

Quick point to RolandJarvis before the plunge, that was a continued joke post. I was jokingly referencing the LII newbie game where I was OMGUSing OK hard for focusing on me Day 1 (mostly for some inconsistencies in his case). Posted that and the correction right as OK was posting the policy lynch post (note the policy lynch post being nestled between that post and the edit), which is the first serious post of the game, which should have been a clue. I'm overall happy with your contribution, however, and I would recommend you read the LII newbie game, since quite a few of the players here were in that game (and should give you a general idea of our playstyles as town (I think all of us present played as town that game), so you can get a feel for us. You voiced the concern about OK only voicing his read on IAmRobik, but his playstyle is (at least, going off his LII and stated gameplay) to only give his strongest reads. So this isn't inconsistent or scummy for me, just how he plays. Just like how Cavalinho still confuses the fk out of me.

Or you might have and the mistaken use of punctuation in the post confused you.



Overall, I'm quite happy with the way this thread activity has been. no ded gaem

Also, my sleep schedule is fked up, so I may be responding at odd times such as this.

On March 26 2014 20:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:

ZzZ. I knew I should've tried posting that part some other time. Or maybe I should've approached it with more subtlety (see: any subtlety at all).

Was trying to scumbait with it when questioning Cavalinho and sqrt. Was trying to see if they would piggyback off of it. Went back and deleted those sections specifically to try.

My true reads:
Valenius leans town at best. I'm hesitant to call him anything at this stage of the game, when his only post is at best asking for a PAINFULLY obvious clarification on a policy. Or in other words, in line with what everyone else has said.

Pixelated is leaning town. He's had more posts and has given reads on sqrt and Valenius, but the main crux of their points have been similar to what OK and others in the thread have said (not much to be said this early into the game, however). He was however the first to defend OK's post (outside of OK), and rightly so. If we're continuing with the Cavalinho lynch, it is...unlikely for them to simultaneously bandwagon on a possible lynch and defend the person in question.



This is again going off of my experience with Cavalinho in LII, though the more you prod, the more I think you may be right about me softballing Cavalinho. I may be trying to discern too much off meta, and am letting how LII Day 1 went color my view of the game and his (pretty scummy) actions too much.


As I EXPLICITLY note, it was posted AFTER the serious posting began, and AFTER IAmRobik's wtf on OK. The timestamp is key: if it were before that, and even OK's post, whatever. idgaf because that was part of the joke phase. That's what I find the most disconcerting of his posting, versus Valenius (whose post at least addressed something serious).


My main issue with sqrt again is the timing of his post and decision to start lurking at that juncture, which makes me far more leery of him over Valenius. Look at the time stamps: 3.5 hours between OK's post and Valenius's question and his sleep post, 4 minutes between Robik's wtf post and his highlighted post, and 11 minutes between the post I highlighted and his sleep post. Certainly there's time to post...something serious? When we had clearly moved past the jokes votes?

Putting him among my top scum reads is/was a means to pressure him into posting something of value and see if he posts anything that makes me pursue that line of inquiry. Similarly, the main thing which Cavalinho isn't doing is giving anything of substance in his posts. This is also why I was posting a full reads list, to see if there was any piggybacking going on.

On March 27 2014 02:32 IAmRobik wrote:


I disagree with this assessment. I think that he demotes Val to "leaning town" to give himself an "out" in case he needs to vote for Val later. Thus if LT is in fact mafia, I think that Val is more likely town.

On March 27 2014 05:25 OnceKing wrote:
Great, then let's talk about HearthstoneValenius. Right now you've made reads based upon the LT-Valenius relationship (which may or may not have been a scumbait?? LT pls respond). Now Valenius has spoken up with some of his own thoughts on current players. Two questions:
1) How do you feel about Valenius now?
2) How do you feel about Valenius's reads?

On March 27 2014 07:06 Valenius wrote:


Translation (Correct me if im wrong sqrt)

His neutral read on me was before I posted my long read post. Since thoroughly digesting that long post, he feels nothing in there was new, so it hasn't changed any of his reads.

That the gist of it?

On March 27 2014 07:17 Cavalinho wrote:


Why did you vote me? Was it really based off the fact that I made a promise to respond to a post later on? Is that supposed to be a legitimate scumread?

On March 27 2014 08:51 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I'll post mpre when I have a computer, but.

I kinda want to vote for myself just to spite you and see what happens when I flip green.



Pixalated what is your yake on all this.

On March 28 2014 01:38 Cavalinho wrote:


He can't. He's trying to to make himself seem more town, and I know he does it because he did the same thing last game.

Also, could you unvote me already? We've already determined that your vote was derp and I think you need to reread the thread to find a real scumread.

On March 28 2014 01:46 Pixalated wrote:
Sqrt why? Also thoughts on LT.

On March 28 2014 01:56 Pixalated wrote:
Sqrt, I haven't played with robik before but I think you have. Do you think he has been playing similarly to how he was when he was town?

On March 28 2014 02:03 RolandJarvis wrote:


If you're town could you uh help me see that some time before I lynch you? thx

On March 28 2014 02:08 IAmRobik wrote:

I'm always willing to reevaluate, but when I give out my town reads, I don't give them out willy nilly and I will stand by them as long as I can.

On March 28 2014 02:12 IAmRobik wrote:

This is stupid. I'm not going to go out of my way to call someone scummy if I think they are town.

On March 28 2014 02:16 Eden1892 wrote:
ROBIK, VOTE. Thanks.

On March 28 2014 02:42 Pixalated wrote:
Okay, im really tired and need to sleep. Since I am not really feeling like LT and Cav are good lynches anymore, I am placing my vote on val, as I like onceking's case against him the most. Wanted to wait for val to get back to respond before deciding intially, but I had a long day and my brain is kinda fried.

I don't like sqrt as well, but I think I prefer val

##Unvote
##Vote: Valenius

I will try to wake up an hour before lynch, but I will probably sleep through my alarm so don't count on it. Will be here for awhile more can answer any quick questions.

On March 28 2014 06:34 RolandJarvis wrote:
I am nervous about who won't be around and the possibility of no accountability vote switches in the name of not lynching the claim.

On March 30 2014 02:17 Valenius wrote:
I cannot think of any reason why a mafia would roleblock you if you're town.

##Vote: sqrtofneg1

On March 30 2014 06:59 Valenius wrote:


He has an a instead of an e in his name. It's been bugging me for a while.

On March 30 2014 07:41 Valenius wrote:
No.

You think he's mafia, why aren't you voting for him?

On March 31 2014 07:20 Valenius wrote:


Why do you say that?

On March 31 2014 08:13 OnceKing wrote:
I think sqrt is mafia. He keeps assuming there's a medic in the setup which would keep him consistent with his convenient claim to have been roleblocked.

Reads atm

Towniest of towns tier
OnceKing

Probably town tier
RJ
LT
Valenius

Sketchy tier
Robik

Scum tier
sqrt

On March 31 2014 08:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Then stop asking about it. If you're town YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW WHO'S MEDIC. The only ones who wants to know are SCUM so they can nightkill him.

On March 30 2014 02:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
OnceKing is currently my top town.
He was the first one to vote me this day, and that creates a lot of attention. I doubt that mafia want that to happen to them.

On April 01 2014 09:49 Valenius wrote:
I'll take another look in the morning, but my initial impressions are that you're lying out of your ass.

Tolkien, i still want a yes/no as to whether you're doctor.

On March 27 2014 06:00 IAmRobik wrote:
What's confusing? I think he's town and i'm prolly just being paranoid that he could be mafia.

On April 01 2014 07:45 IAmRobik wrote:

If you're doing what I think you're doing, then I approve. Otherwise, I'm kinda nervous about the implications.

On April 01 2014 10:18 IAmRobik wrote:
Don't do that to me sqrt.

1) Don't POE me
2) It's not even right
3) I obv doubt myself when my top scum read turns out to be town

Here's an example from Heavyweight Champ game where I was town (link below for reference):



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=47#921

Just cause I doubt myself doesn't make me scum. Doubting myself is natural cause I'm town and I need to reevaluate things as new information is brought forward.

On April 01 2014 11:26 OnceKing wrote:
"W-well m-m-maybe they KNEW I was m-medic!" Please. If they knew you were medic, why wouldn't they just shoot you? There would be nothing stopping that! In fact the entire situation that Robik is backing your claim suddenly makes it evident this is a poorly thought out gambit by the scum team to try to win ASAP. You two were even RJ's scum reads, so you guys shot him to prevent him from pushing any further -- the logic here is clear and simple unlike your huge mess.

None of your actions match what a real doctor would do -- a real doctor is town and plays like town, not scum (which is what you've played like).

On April 01 2014 17:03 Valenius wrote:
As it stands now.

##Vote: sqrtofneg1

Sqrt, why did you try and save robik last night?

On March 31 2014 06:16 Valenius wrote:
If town lynch sqrt, and neither him or pix are mafia, we lose.

On March 27 2014 06:27 OnceKing wrote:
Yeah actually I agree. I'm not going to wait around for LT to keep dodging the question.
##VOTE: Lord Tolkien.
Come make me move it.

On March 27 2014 04:46 OnceKing wrote:

You're my partner because you're Lord Tolkien!

On April 03 2014 03:01 Valenius wrote:


Get some tissues ready.

On April 03 2014 04:32 IAmRobik wrote:

Is that how long you're going to celebrate your scum victory?

On April 03 2014 05:20 Valenius wrote:
Tolkien, you around? Haven't posted in a bit.

On April 03 2014 07:51 RolandJarvis wrote:
I didn't read day 3 but I thought everybody town played fine or better

On April 03 2014 08:20 OnceKing wrote:

I think you just need to start standing up for yourself and trying to be confident sooner!

On April 03 2014 08:36 OnceKing wrote:
dammit Simon
I guess last newbie we had Rick and... whoever else it was though so it all works out
and yes D2 was undebatably the worst thing ever

On April 03 2014 09:11 RolandJarvis wrote:
If the doc can save the same person each night why doesn't the cop insta claim on day 1 and the poor mafia have to hope to luckbox the doc?

On April 04 2014 05:33 Promethelax wrote:
Squirt:
You were interesting for me to coach, you were less willing to listen to me than other people have been in the past. I urge you think about your reads more. You had a lot of fucks to give and that is great, you just didn't apply a lot of reasons to your reads. Your heuristics were weak and you wouldn't reevaluate them.
You need to get it together and remember that your reads are based on the whole game and not just what has happened in the last five minutes, you have a very irl based game which you need to get away from. You need to realize that forum mafia is very different than irl mafia.
Think about soccer, did you ever play pick up games or parks and rec games? Yeah? Well have you ever played FIFA World Cup (the video game)? Think about how the rules are the same but the skill sets simply don't transfer, the way you are playing now is like if David Beckham showed up to WCG and was like "don't worry guys, I know what I'm doing"
use your understanding or irl mafia to give yourself a leg up in forum mafia but keep in mind that two two games are not the same and that different skill sets apply to both.

On April 05 2014 09:22 Amiko wrote:
sqrt: Let's play together when you get back I probably won't join another game between now and then.