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Amiko kush Djo thrawn2112 austinmcc Nullish, but probably wouldn't consider lynching Toad - I remember back in shadow being spooked by one of his posts that was something along the lines of "I'm here if anyone has any questions for me". This game he seems to be having a similar, post if called upon attitude, but not to the point where I'd call him mafia. I'm somewhat paranoid that austin or toad would be the best conversation targets, but that opens up a can of worms that I don't want to think about really until endgame. Toad's post about untargetability makes me feel better since it lines up with his dt check post, which would make a conversion target less likely assuming he is telling the truth. JarJarDrinks - Thought he was townie d1 for the most part, but chose to nuke a third party claim, rather than his number one scum suspect, which comes off scummy, regardless of the fact that I'm town. Need to decide if he chose to nuke slam because he was afraid of the consequences of flipping me or if he actually believes that I'm a better lynch target than shot. Tehpoofter - Haven't had many issues with him, but unlike the top group, there isn't anything that I can point to and tell myself that it likely makes him townie. Want more time on him. People I'd consider lynching Hopeless1der Vivax I really don't like that Toad has the most votes right now and that two of my town reads are voting for him. The fact that nobody is really pushing a target strongly is a concern as well. My next two posts will be about hope and vivax and the things I am concerned about. I tried reading both their filters from the perspective that they are buddies and it didn't really fit, so if I had to guess, it would be one, but not the other. Need to decide which one I prefer still. Would like opinions on these two if you haven't talked about them already. | ||
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On April 03 2014 20:09 Tehpoofter wrote: @DJO, Kita hopeless toad Do you think gum got a save on amiko? or do you think something else occurred? It's possible, I thought he looked pretty townie on day one and might be a good avoid the medic shot. Him or toad who claimed untargetable would be my best guess, assuming mafia had kp on n1, which isn't a given in a recruiter setup. | ||
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On April 03 2014 23:26 Crossfire99 wrote: [/center]A nuke was spotted (many hours after being launched) heading towards Alakaslam! Must be using the same radar as in the South Pacific. | ||
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On March 31 2014 07:45 Vivax wrote: The thing about Slam is that we don't know what kind of 3p there is in the game, being a closed setup he should be lynched at some point anyway, but not necessarily today, where we should rather lynch mafia. I don't like Rayn going for the "easy" lynch so quickly and calling it a day On April 01 2014 05:52 Vivax wrote: thrawn and kita vote slam and postpone any possible scum lynches we can't be sure of at this stage. It's good play to buy time lynching a wildcard The biggest problem that I have with Vivax is his inconsistency between post 1 and 2. In the first post, he goes after Rayn for the easy slam lynch stating that slam should be dealt with at some point in the future, while trying to lynch mafia instead. I agree with that point and think it's generally good policy. Mid way through the day, he suggests that Slam could be a traitor and that he was willing to support a slam lynch, not necessarily because slam was mafia, but because it was a possibility that he was mafia. By the end of the day, Vivax wants to lynch slam to postpone a rayn lynch for another day. Here is what I find scummy. I would expect a townie to follow this path of logic: 1) We should lynch mafia, rather than slam day one 2) Slam needs to be killed at some point to remove doubt, but lets see if I can find a likely mafia instead 3) rayn isn't the best lynch today, but player X is and this is why This is Vivax's path: 1) We should lynch mafia, rather than slam day one 2) Slam needs to be killed at some point to remove doubt 3) rayn isn't the best lynch today, so I guess we have no choice but to lynch slam I don't have a huge issue with Vivax wanting to not lynch rayn, but I do have an issue with the fact that he don't attempt to pursue a player that he thinks is scum. He says that he is working on things one by one, but in the end nothing comes of it. Sure, he questions thinks he finds suspicious and asks for opinions, but there is no follow up or statements attempting to convince others to lynch a certain player, rather than the settle vote at the end, which is what he was criticizing to begin with. On April 03 2014 04:26 Vivax wrote: Also give opinions on how you wanna use the nuke plz. You should really fire it on kaslam. If Vivax argues that he was completely stumped on day one, had absolutely no mafia reads, and wanted more time to find a mafia player, I really don't like his nuke preference. He criticizes rayn for going for the easy target and calling it a day, while deciding not to suggest that the nuke be fired at a scum suspect on day two. He essentially settles two cycles in a row without indicating that he actually has a strong mafia read on slam, aside from cult speculation, which is more of a guess at a possibility than anything. On April 03 2014 08:14 Vivax wrote: Toad doesn't have a vote. Or maybe kush stole his vote. Stuff like this doesn't really seem like a mindset that he is thinking about things from a town perspective. Like toad claims to have a vote, kush claims to have two votes, so for kush to steal toad's vote, that would mean both toad and kush are lying/buddies, which doesn't even make sense. His argument with hope today does seem like it makes a hope/vivax pair unlikely, which makes me worried about who else I'm overlooking. I do want to evaluate hope a bit more in depth before deciding between the two/others, but right now I'm leaning mafia. | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:42 Vivax wrote: 1. possible 2. possible 3. not discrediting anything, just speculating on...possibilities You and kita on the other hand both pushed rayn and now both push me so I'll have to reevaluate some things cause I can't imagine kita being this bad as town, although for you it's perfectly possible. So to be clear, you thought my case on rayn was valid yesterday, but today you can't imagine me being this bad as town, even though you agreed with me? | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:58 Vivax wrote: Now I'm kinda sure you're scum cause you don't reply to my defense, but pop out once you spot something that could be construed as scummy. You don't question hopeless about anything but call him scum and the information I got from him useless. lol, so you tell me not to reply to your defense until I'm done looking at hopeless and then when I'm in the process of doing so, you attack me for not responding, saying it makes me scum? You even assume that I've chosen you over hope when I haven't indicated one way or the other. What gives? | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote: Opportunistic posturing. I'm not trying to avoid responsibility for my vote but I am not all that confident that I am able to read Vivax, I'm mostly sheeping thread sentiment. People seem less inclined to vote Toad which means its between me/Vivax. My choice would be to lynch Toad if I get the chance. There are 2 votes on toad and 2 votes on Vivax. If Toad is your preferred lynch, why are you going with thread sentiment to make your decision? | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:16 Alakaslam wrote: Kita I give u powah <3 On April 04 2014 02:17 Hopeless1der wrote: Hey Kita...have you made a case on me recently that I havent seen? Nope, working on one though. On April 04 2014 02:08 Hopeless1der wrote: so that I can be bossed around and not look like I'm trying to push a scummy agenda by tunneling Toad to everyone else. What about Vivax is scummy to you? Or are you simply voting him over Toad for self-survival? | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:17 Vivax wrote: No, he never asks you a question but thinks you are worthy of today's lynch. Huh? I've asked four questions of hope within the last page of filter. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:21 Vivax wrote: Something like: "Hey hopeless care to justify that vote on Vivax from yours cause you previously said you were biased about him? Is there any particular reason you join his lynch without saying a word about the reasons just like you did D1 when you fucking genius killed rayn on a whim after encouraging him and kita to go 1 on 1 and then not applying it the next day, effectively shrubbing off as much responsibility for the lynch as possible and not having to deliver any arguments?" lol I asked exactly that. Are you reading or just getting angry? | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:24 Vivax wrote: Yeah you just did I was still writing. Congratz on your first question to your scumread. WEEEEEEE On April 03 2014 10:15 kitaman27 wrote: Last thing for tonight....what's Vivax's alignment hopeless? On April 04 2014 01:55 kitaman27 wrote: Hope, what led you to this vote compared to when I asked last night? On April 04 2014 02:07 kitaman27 wrote: There are 2 votes on toad and 2 votes on Vivax. If Toad is your preferred lynch, why are you going with thread sentiment to make your decision? On April 04 2014 02:19 kitaman27 wrote: What about Vivax is scummy to you? Or are you simply voting him over Toad for self-survival? meh arguing with you isn't very time efficient anyways. Stepping away from the thread to finish my hopeless thoughts, then I'll reread your defense post. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:25 JarJarDrinks wrote: I really kept getting the feeling yesterday that Hopeless and Kita were trying to bait me into shooting them. Like Maybe scum gave me the nuke and something good happens for them if they get targetted by it. Unlikely but not impossible. -_- | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:27 Hopeless1der wrote: 3P lynch is bad, but leaving slam alive is worse. I wanted slam vigged, and now we have a nuke for him. If JJD doesn't fire his nuke at slam without having an ironclad case and/or hitting scum he's being tunneled until one of us dies. I didn't like the position he took here. He admits a 3P lynch is bad, but similar to my issue on Vivax rather than trying to enforce a double lynch on two scum players, he is content with the slam shot. Like why not suggest that toad should be shot if he is his number one scum read? He sounds like he is pretty sure slam is third party, so I don't see why he isn't trying to maximize our chances of hitting scum considering none have flipped yet. On April 03 2014 05:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I cant fathom wtf gumshoe was thinking. Whatever, kush confirmed town imo, amiko is pretty goddamn likely town. i'd like to lynch JJD or Toad. On April 03 2014 08:14 Hopeless1der wrote: I wasnt making a case, I was talking more about things I found interesting about Toad. Do you think I dont realize I didn't reach a conclusion? All of my points are pretty open-ended statements, more of a summary of things Toad has done that I maybe find scummy but didn't explicitly say that. At 5:18 he shares that he wants to lynch toad and posts one reason. At 5:37 he makes his post on toad. When asked about it, hope mentions that he never came to a conclusion and was just posting open ended questions. On April 04 2014 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote: My choice would be to lynch Toad if I get the chance. Since that point, there is no real mention of toad, until this recent post here after voting Vivax. He never expresses what changed from the time he made his origional post on toad to this point that made him go from no conclusion to number one read. I also find it scummy that it took me having to ask him why he wasn't voting toad for him to vote toad. If toad is his number one read, why is he unaware of the other cases against toad and that toad is leading the votes? It seems like he is detached from the thread. On April 04 2014 03:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Sorry forgot about this. I was hoping someone would call me out for the reasons you stated because they'd likely be town, knowing blues didnt get fakeclaims to start with. I havent reviewed the thread at that point yet to see if anyone might have been thinking that. I actually agree with JarJar here. This doesn't seem like a town hunting plan to me. The reasons I'm leaning towards Vivax over hopeless at the moment: He eventually shifts his opinion from the end of day one to the beginning of day two after showing signs of reading. Mafia generally stick to their reads as long as they can get away with it. On April 03 2014 08:41 Hopeless1der wrote: so, whats the word jjd? you gonna nuke me? I really like the way that he taunted JarJar knowing that he could could end up dead for it. As mafia, this would be really gutsy to try and get into an argument with the player that holds a day vig shot. When looking through his past games, I found him refer to a lynch he opposed as a circlejerk, which he did the same this game. I know this doesn't mean much, but it's worth noting. More on Vivax in a bit. I want thoughts from others on the both of them. It should be Vivax vs Hope, not Vivax vs Hope vs Toad. | ||
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If I read his hopeless reaction from the perspective that hopeless is scum, then I agree it looks really good. However, from a Vivax is scum and hopeless is town perspective, I don't find anything that says it is impossible. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:21 Vivax wrote: Something like: "Hey hopeless care to justify that vote on Vivax from yours cause you previously said you were biased about him? On April 04 2014 02:24 Vivax wrote: Yeah you just did I was still writing. Congratz on your first question to your scumread. WEEEEEEE This post really seems like he's made his mind up ahead of time. He literally posts the kind of behavior that he would expect from me as town, gets ninja'd by me completely replicating the behavior he is saying he would expect, and then votes me anyways moments later. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:27 austinmcc wrote: Well yeah, not impossibility. But scum vivax pushing town or scum hopeless, what he's doing is just hammering at little inconsistencies to try and paint someone scummier than they are? It can definitely be read both ways, but vivax probably posting for a reason and pursuing someone for a reason, you think he's decided hopeless can be painted scummy with the inconsistencies? lol hopeless IS SCUMMY for inconsistencies. No painting required. | ||
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