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On April 04 2014 02:23 kitaman27 wrote: lol I asked exactly that. Are you reading or just getting angry? Yeah you just did I was still writing. Congratz on your first question to your scumread. WEEEEEEE | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:24 Hopeless1der wrote: Mostly survival. I didn't like the way Vivax was assaulting me with questions and seeming completely oblivious to how my explanations could come from town. It didnt feel like he was trying to reconsider, he was trying to bury me or catch me slip up. However, I'm concerned about Amiko now despite gumshoes save. Whatever, I'd still prefer to lynch Toad. here: ##Unvote: Vivax ##Vote: Toadesstern I can't bury you with questions, I can bury you with cases. And having scum slip up is exactly the point of prodding them for information, so I don't see how you thought those points made me scum. I did reconsider here and there, just not always telling it to the thread. For example the way you refused to give JJD role details read townie to me, after all he was the guy with a nuke, and you'd have to be ballsy scum to piss him off This reasoning obviously isn't applicable if the nuke is a dud and you knew it so w/e. I'd rather lynch kita over you right now cause you're a damn riddle to solve and I wanna see if Slam gets blown to pieces. Still I can't be friends with the way you approach lynches. It's always enigmatic and you don't like to talk much about your reasoning (or have no proper one, which is potentially scummy, ie I have to dig to find out what you were thinking, which I did, and will keep doing while I'm alive and think it's necessary). | ||
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Also I would like to know when hopeless found out that everybody has fakeclaims, and if you actually knew that too when you confronted hopeless. Need to know this stuff cause I was preparing a post on something hopeless said but I need this info to be sure I make a valid argument and if somebody could provide it out of his memory it would be appreciated. I'm currently pretty tired and kinda slow at reading but depending on how the facts turn out to be this could look pretty bad for hopeless. | ||
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Hey kita, apologies for missing your quesitons there but I got a little heated and missed em. Anyway to have a nice showcase of some of the stuff you produced on hopeless along with others I'll have this post list even though I want to focus on two mainly. Read the bolded part, scroll down to last quote. On April 03 2014 08:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Why are you pissing about with setup speculation JJD? Do you have a point here? Am I scum because I obviously have a fakeclaim that I wont reveal and you dont therefore you must be town? Stop beating around the bush. Vivax, why is it okay for you to keep flipping the question when I ask you about Toad? Not EVERYTHING I do needs to push my agenda. I dont like cramming a case/reads down peoples throats. I think Toad is scummy. People think I am scummy. It doesnt matter that people are less retarded than we'd like to believe, logical fallacies will occur. If I phrase a statement without implying a conclusion it forces the reader to try to determine what my point is and also whether that point is more relevant to a scum or town mindset. On April 03 2014 10:20 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm biased...I havent been reading him critically because he's been a pain in my ass in recent memory. If you want me to OMGUS him, I can do that but I dont think it'd be productive. On April 04 2014 01:51 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: Vivax On April 04 2014 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote: Opportunistic posturing. I'm not trying to avoid responsibility for my vote but I am not all that confident that I am able to read Vivax, I'm mostly sheeping thread sentiment. People seem less inclined to vote Toad which means its between me/Vivax. My choice would be to lynch Toad if I get the chance. On April 04 2014 02:24 Hopeless1der wrote: Mostly survival. I didn't like the way Vivax was assaulting me with questions and seeming completely oblivious to how my explanations could come from town. It didnt feel like he was trying to reconsider, he was trying to bury me or catch me slip up. However, I'm concerned about Amiko now despite gumshoes save. Whatever, I'd still prefer to lynch Toad. here: ##Unvote: Vivax ##Vote: Toadesstern Look at the bolded part in the first quote. Now look at this post: On April 04 2014 03:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Sorry forgot about this. I was hoping someone would call me out for the reasons you stated because they'd likely be town, knowing blues didnt get fakeclaims to start with. I havent reviewed the thread at that point yet to see if anyone might have been thinking that. Hopeless asks him earlier if he was town knowing that blues don't have fakeclaims. But if you look at the tone of the post it isn't at all like hopeless "towntrap" just sprung (if anything it was a bluetrap), he's asking JJD why the hell he's on him. Later he says he was WAITING for someone to do that. JJD didn't outright say that he didn't have a fakeclaim at that point, but it's evident from hopeless first post that he was expecting it to be the case. OP says everyone can get a fakeclaim on request. Hopeless doesn't initially want to say if he has one or not, JJD fries him over it, Hopeless asks him wtf his problem is (is it cause you have no fakeclaim and I have?). Hopeless later says he was hoping for someone to call him out for that cause he would townread him. JJD did call him out for it. Did hopeless say "wow bro u so town(also thanks for claiming blue to the thread)" to him? Nope. So i'd like to hear some about this 1. | ||
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Anyway, what did we discuss so far. Me, Toad, Kita, hopeless? Some other players I kinda see as possible scum candidates are thrawn and maybe poofter so it might not be a bad idea to have a look at them and exchange some thoughts. They both seem to not be here sadly. But let's leave no stone unturned before the day ends  I don't like how kush treats me this game but he claimed blue and shot gumshoe so he'd be a bad lynch for today I figure. Given conversion mechanics we gotta pay attention to people who claimed a role though (for the future). (No kush I'm not subtly calling you scummy -.-) | ||
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Hopeless admits blue, you ask him about fakeclaims. He says he won't tell and that he wonders why you're asking him this (is it cause you're blue and have no fakeclaim) Now I don't know who of you knew about the fakeclaim requesting stuff, which changes the interpretation of events in some way. you knew it, he knew it - nope, why would he refuse to tell you he has one if it's public knowledge that anyone can. you knew it, he didn't - etc. Anyway, considering how he didn't want to tell it's pretty obvious he didn't know it, but he probably justified it in some way? This is confusing I'll go reread. | ||
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I'm frantically trying to find reasons for not lynching him cause I'm scared of the blue claim. | ||
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Hopeless claim the rolename of A and probably shit bricks. | ||
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And how did you get the conclusion that I'm mafia from that information? | ||
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 WEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEE can we postpone role discussion to night phase when time isn't so short and discuss today's lynch? Who Toad, who Kita, who anyone else. Toad is essentially a non-existent townie, he talks, says he can make himself ethereal at night, but doesn't have a vote. Go figure. Kita tried to push a mislynch on me quite aggressively before some other dudes came in and defended me valiantly + other points blah blah. Essentially I don't have a preference between the two but on a tie I'll probably go onto Toad for purposes of damage mitigation in case we mislynch. Not really a problem if we lose a guy who can't vote and is invulnerable and maybe mafia. | ||
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