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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On April 01 2014 06:49 Alakaslam wrote: Then the previous was false? I switched off him and nobody switched on. I dunno I went for gumshoe. Anyway I am really snarly so I will take a hike The previous votecount was also correct. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17323 Posts
gumeshoe's vote is considered as having been on rayn. doh! Whatever I split dem hairz | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 06:43 austinmcc wrote: poofter, what do you make of rayn's shrink claim. Do you believe him? I'm going to assume you mean "Did I believe him?" to which I will say that kind of. I hated that he waited until the last moment to claim although in this game his role is pretty damn important so idk. I believed him enough to switch off him and onto someone else. My switch wasn't however based solely on his claim his play and the way he reacted to kita man seemed town and he stopped making some of the posts that he was doing that I found scummy (like wanting to just make a lynch on claimed survivor and thats it) and also to list off his reads mega early and in an all encompassing function like he did something I hadn't seen him do and that earlier is really weird because there wasn't much info on a lot of people. I don't understand your bird RP bullshit so I'll ignore it and talk to you like a person. So my reading rayn was based on the fact I had played with him and he played that game a certain way and the way he played this game was different to me. Behavior patterns is a big thing for me to read off of. I think rayn played differently and I knew he was a strong player from the previous game so my first instinct is "its different burn it with fire!!!" Cause a lot of times different play=mafia. Maybe thats just rayn's power role play and I'll know for future games. The problem I was having was that reading him I'd like a post he would make or the way he reacted to something then completely dislike what he did or didn't do. So it was like a roller coaster read... plus I know he knows I'm new to this format and I felt he is a good player and might try to pocket me with a simple town read if he knew my alignment. (I can provide specific posts if you which but there was way more than just 2-3 so didn't want to get away from the point of what I was reading) Now mr. Austin a question for you. What do you think of mr vivax? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17323 Posts
On April 01 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote: slam why are you still angry? you didn't get lynched right? what's there to be salty about? I will be lynched tomorrow and the general attitude. And I want an example. Treat me like trash for no reason and I will return the favor to an unreasonable extent. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 07:04 Alakaslam wrote: I will be lynched tomorrow and the general attitude. And I want an example. Treat me like trash for no reason and I will return the favor to an unreasonable extent. Slam I'm curious why are you so sure you will be lynched? have you really just given up on the game? Alternatively lets go into far-fetched land where you're trying to help town win... who would you want to look at as scum? And if I could get my answer in not riddle/gibberish format you might be my favorite. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17323 Posts
It really does take a lot to really piss me off. I brush things off like a duck brushes off water. But if you want to piss off a duck get your garden hose out. And actually a mallard can break the skin, they really get pissed- they will fly in your face and bat you with their wings and peck, they get really mad. So I have said I was Wile E. Coyote. really though, I am more likely daffy duck | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17323 Posts
On April 01 2014 07:05 Tehpoofter wrote: Slam I'm curious why are you so sure you will be lynched? have you really just given up on the game? Alternatively lets go into far-fetched land where you're trying to help town win... who would you want to look at as scum? And if I could get my answer in not riddle/gibberish format you might be my favorite. I have been considering doing this it depends on the scum | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17323 Posts
If rayn had been scum I would probably have cooled off and definitely would have started plugging through filters to do my best. but feh see this was started for no reason by town. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Also it is fun to feed them artificial cheese puffs. Their beaks get all that orange powder on them and they look silly. That is all. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On April 01 2014 06:57 Alakaslam wrote: ah! gumeshoe's vote is considered as having been on rayn. doh! Whatever I split dem hairz gumshoe's vote was not counted at all. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 07:07 Alakaslam wrote: Also I am still pissed because rayn was town... If rayn had been scum I would probably have cooled off and definitely would have started plugging through filters to do my best. but feh see this was started for no reason by town. What is the "this"? the way you're acting or the rayn lynch or what? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 01 2014 07:04 Tehpoofter wrote: Nono, I want to say do you believe him for fun. Did you believe him doesn't matter, because the situation has changed and his claim has been proven so it doesn't really matter what you thought previously. I'm going to assume you mean "Did I believe him?" to which I will say that kind of. I hated that he waited until the last moment to claim although in this game his role is pretty damn important so idk. I believed him enough to switch off him and onto someone else. My switch wasn't however based solely on his claim his play and the way he reacted to kita man seemed town and he stopped making some of the posts that he was doing that I found scummy (like wanting to just make a lynch on claimed survivor and thats it) and also to list off his reads mega early and in an all encompassing function like he did something I hadn't seen him do and that earlier is really weird because there wasn't much info on a lot of people. I don't understand your bird RP bullshit so I'll ignore it and talk to you like a person. So my reading rayn was based on the fact I had played with him and he played that game a certain way and the way he played this game was different to me. Behavior patterns is a big thing for me to read off of. I think rayn played differently and I knew he was a strong player from the previous game so my first instinct is "its different burn it with fire!!!" Cause a lot of times different play=mafia. Maybe thats just rayn's power role play and I'll know for future games. The problem I was having was that reading him I'd like a post he would make or the way he reacted to something then completely dislike what he did or didn't do. So it was like a roller coaster read... plus I know he knows I'm new to this format and I felt he is a good player and might try to pocket me with a simple town read if he knew my alignment. (I can provide specific posts if you which but there was way more than just 2-3 so didn't want to get away from the point of what I was reading) Now mr. Austin a question for you. What do you think of mr vivax? Nono, no need for specific posts. When you say you're a meta-based player, he was acting differently than previously, you have only played one game with him? Did you go and check other games of his? Vivax has posted enough on hopeless and toad that he looks like he actually found a thing he's been interested in and was trying to do stuff with it. If you like magical meta, this is NOT A TREMENDOUSLY GOOD EXAMPLE, but vivax was just scum in III Titanic, and did not post very much at all. Here's he's posted more than there, and him following a train of thought about specific players reads okay for me. He's not a shining beacon of townieness, but I lean town on him and I don't want to drop a Cerulean Rectangular Prism on him. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
It's not just the amount of posting or that he's found a thing, but ... if he was lurky he'd be lurky. If he were causing havoc he'd be posting more and about stranger stuff. If he were just trying to comment and get by then he would be doing that without speaking a bunch on toad and hopeless. His actions look more to me like a townie who has a train of thought to pursue, and don't really fit any pattern of scum behavior that I'd particularly expect. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 07:12 austinmcc wrote: Nono, I want to say do you believe him for fun. Did you believe him doesn't matter, because the situation has changed and his claim has been proven so it doesn't really matter what you thought previously. Nono, no need for specific posts. When you say you're a meta-based player, he was acting differently than previously, you have only played one game with him? Did you go and check other games of his? Vivax has posted enough on hopeless and toad that he looks like he actually found a thing he's been interested in and was trying to do stuff with it. If you like magical meta, this is NOT A TREMENDOUSLY GOOD EXAMPLE, but vivax was just scum in III Titanic, and did not post very much at all. Here's he's posted more than there, and him following a train of thought about specific players reads okay for me. He's not a shining beacon of townieness, but I lean town on him and I don't want to drop a Cerulean Rectangular Prism on him. I was in the titanic game as vivax and he came after me as scum in that game so I know his scum play at least a bit. He basically lurked and got yelled at by palmer for not posting then made a case on me but also made a pretty big scum slip in that game and got lynched for it, rayn was the one who caught the slip thus I know he really pays attention as town. I have played only the one game with rayn and the fact he was so good as town that game makes me want to get a read on him first... if I can figure out his alignment then I can feel more confident on my reads if they align with his but he wasnt giving me the same feel. I didn't go check out any of his previous games I think that would be too much reading for me. (plus not sure how I figure out what other games hes played in, in the first place.) I'm going to quote it for you but looking at vivax filter I'm not sold that hes town. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
You asked some folks questions. You swapped your vote to gumshoe late. But for 24ish hours you've been appearing less and less scummy on rayn, but with no indication that you want to be MORE scummy on anyone else. Why no hunting? Or if you WERE scumhunting, who was scummy and why? Or you scumhunted and nobody is scummy ever period? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 07:17 austinmcc wrote: re: vivax It's not just the amount of posting or that he's found a thing, but ... if he was lurky he'd be lurky. If he were causing havoc he'd be posting more and about stranger stuff. If he were just trying to comment and get by then he would be doing that without speaking a bunch on toad and hopeless. His actions look more to me like a townie who has a train of thought to pursue, and don't really fit any pattern of scum behavior that I'd particularly expect. I understand that he hasnt been super lurky my biggest concern was that he made a huge post on rayn that to me seemed like he was burying the case a townie made when I first read it. On April 01 2014 02:13 Vivax wrote: Rayn how did you go from probably scum to strong townie, brave etc. on poofter? On March 31 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: austin looks really good. I am surprised i get what he is saying.  tehpoofer actually is probably scum. He tells me to do scumhunting. Surprise surprise i think i have done the most scumhunting in this game hands down. He has talked about nothing than me, he bases his read on me on one game (rofl), noone agrees with him on his read, yet his meta read must be correct. ^^ I could write a bigger case but i don't wanna do that right now. Basically he keeps flip-flopping over same things over and over again, when i tell him why they are wrong he forgets them for a while and then they suddenly just reappear. He is saying maybe two things and nothing else in this game. I agree with whoever said (austin?) that Hopeless is town. While i think his play is completely useless and idiotic he is town. JJD also looks okayish. so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe. On April 01 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: bah i promised to tell you who is scum so no selfvoting: ##unvote vote kitaman27 Strong townies: Toadesstern - town austinmcc - had a good post about Hopeless, i totally agree with the thought process and conclusion. Hopeless would be an easy target for scum to go after, austin has not been in thread so he would probably go after him. Hopeless1der - sadly he is town, and a strong read. will not help most likely  thrawn2112 - has only good posts and is making a lot of sense. most likely to solve this game. seems to be one of the few people with any brain. kushm4sta - dumb but town. Djodref - claimed blue. Tehpoofter - brave. says stuff he wants to. while dumb conclusions they make sense for town!poofer to say more than mafia!poofer. Weaker town: JarJarDrinks - focuses on things he usually focuses on as town. will most likely be called scum at some point because people don't know what he does as town, or rather don't understand. thrawn focus on people who go after JJD and see why they do. If JJD is town (he more likely is) he is easy mislynch because people just don't get why he says stuff he does. you will get it, noone else will most likely. Amiko - would have liked to hear more from him. he does stuff that's weird and focuses on weird stuff but he is kinda brave and doesn't hesitate to give his opinions on things. looks townie. Vivax - thinks kita is scum. Weak scum: gumshoe - hasn't said anything Kill with fire: kitaman27 Alakaslam Now there is a possibility Slam is scum. Remember that. The problem is if you are going to lynch me you need to lynch mafia on D2 and D3 and you can't lynch Slam. You'll most likely lose if you do because of the yak shit. D1 doesn't matter but if you lynch town on D1 you can't risk lynching Slam on D2. You just can't and that's on you then. So lynch kita -> lynch gumshoe. Hope one of them flips yak and then lynch Slam. There is probably gonna be one more mafia after that in case Slam is not mafia (i don't think he is). If Slam is third faction with KP you are all fucked and it's good i am not in the game because i would be so mad. This is going to be my last post. Maybe i'll rub some salt into your wounds and come back and claim 5min before the deadline, just to tell how dumb you are. then you say your vote on Hopeless was some kind of sheepy vote on a multitude of players. Kita is among them, this is the last thing you wrote about him before putting that vote is this: It makes sense to me but kita is building the web for some reason. I think it's distracting and therefore scummy. I don't see what he is trying to achieve. after having called his play scummy for a while. So you wanna say that you voted hopeless cause you trusted one of your suspects to be making the right guess? On April 01 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: My vote on Hopeless was because of the one post i found odd and because Toad was town and if all of Toad, Foolishness and kita think Hopeless is scum, in addition to me finding a scummy post from him he is probably scum. Then he started doing townie stuff and Slam claimed anti-town. My problem with this and why I think its burying is because his point about how rayn switched on read left out two posts that basically shows the transition: On March 31 2014 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: On March 31 2014 16:52 thrawn2112 wrote: idk. i think tehpoofter is more involved in the thread than a lot of people. he's definitely more engaged than he was in that last game. i'm not getting the same 'newbie town' vibe that I instantly got from him last game but traces of it are still there. like i think he's town, but he might just be more confident now and that's interfering with my noob reading abilities. and you think he is scum because his read of you is based on poor meta reasoning? lol would you expect him to have a good understanding of meta? No my read is based on he keeps repeating same arguments over and over again while when he talks to me he sounds like he believes me. He doesn't question my conclusions, he doesn't point anything weird/contradicting out form my play. Then when i leave the thread he keeps going back to "but does it look like rayn is scumhunting". The meta read is not a problem, the problem is he "doesn't realize" he has a sample size of 1 game and other people do not read me scum because of meta. That should ring some alarm bells. This one is him still being scummy on me but he agrees some of my argument isn't bad just that I'm drawing bad conclusions based on other people's reads. Then this one a couple posts later in his filter [B]On March 31 2014 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: meh maybe poofer is town after all. He has probably the most posts and to a relatively new player it's highly unlike he is scum. This comes between the two quotes he showed. so the answer was there if he read the filter... like rayn did transition from scummy (although he never voted me so not THAT scummy) to well his conclusions are bad to maybe he is town and hes new. So vivax makes his post saying it was scum instantly to brave town when really the information was there. I can easily see scum doing something like this to bury someone because unless you read rayn's filter or remembered that little one line post (like i did) you would have no reason to doubt that was the case. It could be lazy town play because he didn't read the thread or didnt read the whole filter but seems scummy to me. (I screwed up the bolding thing but the parts I'm talking about in the quotes I tried to underline sorry I'm bad at quoting multiple posts) | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 01 2014 07:32 austinmcc wrote: If rayn was basically your sole scumread, and you kept hedging on that and finding him less scummy, why did you not look elsewhere? You asked some folks questions. You swapped your vote to gumshoe late. But for 24ish hours you've been appearing less and less scummy on rayn, but with no indication that you want to be MORE scummy on anyone else. Why no hunting? Or if you WERE scumhunting, who was scummy and why? Or you scumhunted and nobody is scummy ever period? I asked questions to probe for other scum reads but to be honest nothing was really happening aside from Slam posting a whole bunch of shit from another game it seemed. I hadn't seen any other scummy things from people at the time I was in a place that I had a weak scum read and I didn't really have anything else to go on or pressure with who was around at the time. The kita case happened and I had the vivax read that really only mattered if rayn flipped town. I believed the claim and still wanted to hit scum over Slam so yeah I didn't do a good job basically. I'm trying to turn it around atm | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 01 2014 07:48 Tehpoofter wrote: When you say probe for other scum reads, do you mean you had people who might be scum and you wanted to talk to them to confirm suspicions, or you had no scum reads and so were throwing some questions around to people to see whether anything came out scummy?I asked questions to probe for other scum reads but to be honest nothing was really happening aside from Slam posting a whole bunch of shit from another game it seemed. I hadn't seen any other scummy things from people at the time I was in a place that I had a weak scum read and I didn't really have anything else to go on or pressure with who was around at the time. The kita case happened and I had the vivax read that really only mattered if rayn flipped town. I believed the claim and still wanted to hit scum over Slam so yeah I didn't do a good job basically. I'm trying to turn it around atm | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
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