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On April 01 2014 06:34 austinmcc wrote:No I wasn't there and now I am. Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 06:23 Amiko wrote:
As rayn has flipped blue I want to know if anyone feels differently about massclaiming as rayn proposed d1.
I still feel it is a bad idea but since I know it was coming from someone in town I'd like to hear if anyone has re-evaluated it or feels differently. I feel no different and still think it's a bad idea, especially when everyone gets fakeclaims anyway. Show nested quote +@austinmcc I like most of your posts, but I do not really understand your vote on tehpoofter and it doesn't feel to me like you are pushing that lynch at all.
I talked about conversions some earlier, if you want to pursue that topic I'm glad to during the teatime/night phase. I think tehpoofter is the scummiest bro on D1. And as of now, since nothing much has happened since lynch. I expected to be in thread at deadline but was pulled away by a phone call, was not around for a gumshoe swap. I have not been super pushing his lynch the last couple hours, because people seem unreceptive. We'll see what pops out of chatting with him during the night.
Lets talk bro. I disagree you didn't push you case you went pretty hard and fought with rayn about it. So let me steer you in the right direction towards the green light.
So you have time to chat?
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On April 01 2014 06:43 austinmcc wrote:
poofter, what do you make of rayn's shrink claim.
Do you believe him?
I'm going to assume you mean "Did I believe him?" to which I will say that kind of. I hated that he waited until the last moment to claim although in this game his role is pretty damn important so idk. I believed him enough to switch off him and onto someone else. My switch wasn't however based solely on his claim his play and the way he reacted to kita man seemed town and he stopped making some of the posts that he was doing that I found scummy (like wanting to just make a lynch on claimed survivor and thats it) and also to list off his reads mega early and in an all encompassing function like he did something I hadn't seen him do and that earlier is really weird because there wasn't much info on a lot of people.
I don't understand your bird RP bullshit so I'll ignore it and talk to you like a person. So my reading rayn was based on the fact I had played with him and he played that game a certain way and the way he played this game was different to me. Behavior patterns is a big thing for me to read off of. I think rayn played differently and I knew he was a strong player from the previous game so my first instinct is "its different burn it with fire!!!" Cause a lot of times different play=mafia. Maybe thats just rayn's power role play and I'll know for future games. The problem I was having was that reading him I'd like a post he would make or the way he reacted to something then completely dislike what he did or didn't do. So it was like a roller coaster read... plus I know he knows I'm new to this format and I felt he is a good player and might try to pocket me with a simple town read if he knew my alignment.
(I can provide specific posts if you which but there was way more than just 2-3 so didn't want to get away from the point of what I was reading)
Now mr. Austin a question for you. What do you think of mr vivax?
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On April 01 2014 07:04 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
slam why are you still angry? you didn't get lynched right? what's there to be salty about? I will be lynched tomorrow and the general attitude. And I want an example. Treat me like trash for no reason and I will return the favor to an unreasonable extent.
Slam I'm curious why are you so sure you will be lynched? have you really just given up on the game?
Alternatively lets go into far-fetched land where you're trying to help town win... who would you want to look at as scum? And if I could get my answer in not riddle/gibberish format you might be my favorite.
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On April 01 2014 07:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Also I am still pissed because rayn was town...
If rayn had been scum I would probably have cooled off and definitely would have started plugging through filters to do my best.
but feh
see this was started for no reason by town.
What is the "this"? the way you're acting or the rayn lynch or what?
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On April 01 2014 07:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 07:04 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 01 2014 06:43 austinmcc wrote:
poofter, what do you make of rayn's shrink claim.
Do you believe him? I'm going to assume you mean "Did I believe him?" to which I will say that kind of. I hated that he waited until the last moment to claim although in this game his role is pretty damn important so idk. I believed him enough to switch off him and onto someone else. My switch wasn't however based solely on his claim his play and the way he reacted to kita man seemed town and he stopped making some of the posts that he was doing that I found scummy (like wanting to just make a lynch on claimed survivor and thats it) and also to list off his reads mega early and in an all encompassing function like he did something I hadn't seen him do and that earlier is really weird because there wasn't much info on a lot of people. I don't understand your bird RP bullshit so I'll ignore it and talk to you like a person. So my reading rayn was based on the fact I had played with him and he played that game a certain way and the way he played this game was different to me. Behavior patterns is a big thing for me to read off of. I think rayn played differently and I knew he was a strong player from the previous game so my first instinct is "its different burn it with fire!!!" Cause a lot of times different play=mafia. Maybe thats just rayn's power role play and I'll know for future games. The problem I was having was that reading him I'd like a post he would make or the way he reacted to something then completely dislike what he did or didn't do. So it was like a roller coaster read... plus I know he knows I'm new to this format and I felt he is a good player and might try to pocket me with a simple town read if he knew my alignment. (I can provide specific posts if you which but there was way more than just 2-3 so didn't want to get away from the point of what I was reading) Now mr. Austin a question for you. What do you think of mr vivax? Nono, I want to say do you believe him for fun. Did you believe him doesn't matter, because the situation has changed and his claim has been proven so it doesn't really matter what you thought previously. Nono, no need for specific posts. When you say you're a meta-based player, he was acting differently than previously, you have only played one game with him? Did you go and check other games of his? Vivax has posted enough on hopeless and toad that he looks like he actually found a thing he's been interested in and was trying to do stuff with it. If you like magical meta, this is NOT A TREMENDOUSLY GOOD EXAMPLE, but vivax was just scum in III Titanic, and did not post very much at all. Here's he's posted more than there, and him following a train of thought about specific players reads okay for me. He's not a shining beacon of townieness, but I lean town on him and I don't want to drop a Cerulean Rectangular Prism on him.
I was in the titanic game as vivax and he came after me as scum in that game so I know his scum play at least a bit. He basically lurked and got yelled at by palmer for not posting then made a case on me but also made a pretty big scum slip in that game and got lynched for it, rayn was the one who caught the slip thus I know he really pays attention as town.
I have played only the one game with rayn and the fact he was so good as town that game makes me want to get a read on him first... if I can figure out his alignment then I can feel more confident on my reads if they align with his but he wasnt giving me the same feel. I didn't go check out any of his previous games I think that would be too much reading for me. (plus not sure how I figure out what other games hes played in, in the first place.)
I'm going to quote it for you but looking at vivax filter I'm not sold that hes town.
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On April 01 2014 07:17 austinmcc wrote:
re: vivax
It's not just the amount of posting or that he's found a thing, but ... if he was lurky he'd be lurky. If he were causing havoc he'd be posting more and about stranger stuff. If he were just trying to comment and get by then he would be doing that without speaking a bunch on toad and hopeless.
His actions look more to me like a townie who has a train of thought to pursue, and don't really fit any pattern of scum behavior that I'd particularly expect.
I understand that he hasnt been super lurky my biggest concern was that he made a huge post on rayn that to me seemed like he was burying the case a townie made when I first read it.
On April 01 2014 02:13 Vivax wrote:Rayn how did you go from probably scum to strong townie, brave etc. on poofter?
On March 31 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:austin looks really good. I am surprised i get what he is saying. 
tehpoofer actually is probably scum. He tells me to do scumhunting. Surprise surprise i think i have done the most scumhunting in this game hands down. He has talked about nothing than me, he bases his read on me on one game (rofl), noone agrees with him on his read, yet his meta read must be correct. ^^ I could write a bigger case but i don't wanna do that right now. Basically he keeps flip-flopping over same things over and over again, when i tell him why they are wrong he forgets them for a while and then they suddenly just reappear. He is saying maybe two things and nothing else in this game.I agree with whoever said (austin?) that Hopeless is town. While i think his play is completely useless and idiotic he is town. JJD also looks okayish. so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe.
On April 01 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:bah i promised to tell you who is scum so no selfvoting: ##unvote
vote kitaman27Strong townies:Toadesstern - town austinmcc - had a good post about Hopeless, i totally agree with the thought process and conclusion. Hopeless would be an easy target for scum to go after, austin has not been in thread so he would probably go after him. Hopeless1der - sadly he is town, and a strong read. will not help most likely  thrawn2112 - has only good posts and is making a lot of sense. most likely to solve this game. seems to be one of the few people with any brain. kushm4sta - dumb but town. Djodref - claimed blue. Tehpoofter - brave. says stuff he wants to. while dumb conclusions they make sense for town!poofer to say more than mafia!poofer. Weaker town:JarJarDrinks - focuses on things he usually focuses on as town. will most likely be called scum at some point because people don't know what he does as town, or rather don't understand. thrawn focus on people who go after JJD and see why they do. If JJD is town (he more likely is) he is easy mislynch because people just don't get why he says stuff he does. you will get it, noone else will most likely. Amiko - would have liked to hear more from him. he does stuff that's weird and focuses on weird stuff but he is kinda brave and doesn't hesitate to give his opinions on things. looks townie. Vivax - thinks kita is scum. Weak scum:gumshoe - hasn't said anything Kill with fire:kitaman27
AlakaslamNow there is a possibility Slam is scum. Remember that. The problem is if you are going to lynch me you need to lynch mafia on D2 and D3 and you can't lynch Slam. You'll most likely lose if you do because of the yak shit. D1 doesn't matter but if you lynch town on D1 you can't risk lynching Slam on D2. You just can't and that's on you then. So lynch kita -> lynch gumshoe. Hope one of them flips yak and then lynch Slam. There is probably gonna be one more mafia after that in case Slam is not mafia (i don't think he is). If Slam is third faction with KP you are all fucked and it's good i am not in the game because i would be so mad. This is going to be my last post. Maybe i'll rub some salt into your wounds and come back and claim 5min before the deadline, just to tell how dumb you are.
then you say your vote on Hopeless was some kind of sheepy vote on a multitude of players.
Kita is among them, this is the last thing you wrote about him before putting that vote is this:
It makes sense to me but kita is building the web for some reason. I think it's distracting and therefore scummy. I don't see what he is trying to achieve.
after having called his play scummy for a while. So you wanna say that you voted hopeless cause you trusted one of your suspects to be making the right guess?
On April 01 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 01:16 Amiko wrote:
@rayn respond to my concerns please re: kitaman case My vote on Hopeless was because of the one post i found odd and because Toad was town and if all of Toad, Foolishness and kita think Hopeless is scum, in addition to me finding a scummy post from him he is probably scum. Then he started doing townie stuff and Slam claimed anti-town.
My problem with this and why I think its burying is because his point about how rayn switched on read left out two posts that basically shows the transition:
On March 31 2014 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 31 2014 16:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
idk. i think tehpoofter is more involved in the thread than a lot of people. he's definitely more engaged than he was in that last game. i'm not getting the same 'newbie town' vibe that I instantly got from him last game but traces of it are still there. like i think he's town, but he might just be more confident now and that's interfering with my noob reading abilities.
and you think he is scum because his read of you is based on poor meta reasoning? lol would you expect him to have a good understanding of meta?
No my read is based on he keeps repeating same arguments over and over again while when he talks to me he sounds like he believes me. He doesn't question my conclusions, he doesn't point anything weird/contradicting out form my play. Then when i leave the thread he keeps going back to "but does it look like rayn is scumhunting". The meta read is not a problem, the problem is he "doesn't realize" he has a sample size of 1 game and other people do not read me scum because of meta. That should ring some alarm bells.
This one is him still being scummy on me but he agrees some of my argument isn't bad just that I'm drawing bad conclusions based on other people's reads.
Then this one a couple posts later in his filter
[B]On March 31 2014 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh maybe poofer is town after all. He has probably the most posts and to a relatively new player it's highly unlike he is scum.
This comes between the two quotes he showed. so the answer was there if he read the filter... like rayn did transition from scummy (although he never voted me so not THAT scummy) to well his conclusions are bad to maybe he is town and hes new.
So vivax makes his post saying it was scum instantly to brave town when really the information was there. I can easily see scum doing something like this to bury someone because unless you read rayn's filter or remembered that little one line post (like i did) you would have no reason to doubt that was the case. It could be lazy town play because he didn't read the thread or didnt read the whole filter but seems scummy to me.
(I screwed up the bolding thing but the parts I'm talking about in the quotes I tried to underline sorry I'm bad at quoting multiple posts)
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On April 01 2014 07:32 austinmcc wrote:
If rayn was basically your sole scumread, and you kept hedging on that and finding him less scummy, why did you not look elsewhere?
You asked some folks questions. You swapped your vote to gumshoe late.
But for 24ish hours you've been appearing less and less scummy on rayn, but with no indication that you want to be MORE scummy on anyone else.
Why no hunting? Or if you WERE scumhunting, who was scummy and why? Or you scumhunted and nobody is scummy ever period?
I asked questions to probe for other scum reads but to be honest nothing was really happening aside from Slam posting a whole bunch of shit from another game it seemed. I hadn't seen any other scummy things from people at the time I was in a place that I had a weak scum read and I didn't really have anything else to go on or pressure with who was around at the time. The kita case happened and I had the vivax read that really only mattered if rayn flipped town. I believed the claim and still wanted to hit scum over Slam so yeah I didn't do a good job basically. I'm trying to turn it around atm
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More the later. I didn't have anything really to go on but I wanted to question people about each other force them to talk with each other and the likes.
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@austin what do you think about my post on vivax?
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@Slam how do I unstart it? is there a code or something?
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On April 01 2014 09:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 09:42 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Slam how do I unstart it? is there a code or something? Get scum to piss me off without NK me
Scum leave Slam alone! There we go slam, now that I've taken care of that. What do you think of kita/kush/hopeless and vivax?
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On April 01 2014 10:15 Alakaslam wrote:
Kira probably town but not strong
Kush saw as I do and made his famous meta point on me
Hopeless1der is probably town
Vivax is null
So austin reads vivax as town I think hes mafia. Do you think that austin should believe me cause I'm a boss and probably right or should I realize the error of my ways and follow austin to the promise land?
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Is anyone else around besides Slam? I want to talk to folks cause we honestly don't have a lot of info cause some people have like 1 page of filters.
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hey thrawn buddy! So me and you were the ones at the end of the day switching votes off rayn. Do you think all the mafia was on rayn there? or you think they were on slam? Like if you were mafia what do you think would be hte best idea in this setup?
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On April 01 2014 11:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
if you have some way to influence the vote secretly and don't tell us now, and we find out later, you are fucked. so best come clean now
I just looked at the vote count thing thats interesting. I am putting on my noob pants for this one are there roles that have vote changing or adding mechanics as both alignments? Or is it more indicative of one or the other?
Also thrawn yeah lets put pressure on that Vivax scummy guy. I am not as sure on kita cause he didn't seem to listen to rayn so hes not in my town circle with me you and austin. Also Slam is going to be in the circle too even though hes 3rd party he can work with us for now.
What do you think about JJD? He has a small filter its easy to read so check it out.
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On April 01 2014 12:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
i think we can deduce if the vote changing is mafia or townie based on what effect the votes have on the game
fact: rayn is town
fact: whoever caused the extra vote did not claim it
(future fact: the voter will probably not claim his vote)
seems like a mafia power to me.
^^ This unless someone comes in with some super sick logic real fast disputing otherwise we can assume mafia has an extra vote so town needs to be extra united.
Do vote powers like that usually happen every night? or is it like vigi that is typically every other night? or maybe one use type deals?
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@ JJD did you read his case against me? and his feelings about lynching slam?
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^^his in the above post = austin
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On April 01 2014 17:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
so i am bored and drunk, but oh well.
what I do know of dr who (i've watched like 1.5 seasons) makes me think that maybe scum's wincon is to convert all of us into them or reach a point where nothing can prevent that from happening?
hopefully that is the case because then everyone can win if town's bad enough!
anyways, anyone want to chat?
haha thats awesome. It would be kinda fun if that was the case.
So thrawn who do you most want to pressure tomorrow like who do you wish was on to talk the most?
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@djo if you were more present yesterday what do you think you would ahve pushed more?
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