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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 19:56 GMT
#894
Slaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam. I gave you my rectangular prism. You can't go out like this, regardless of alignment.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:00 GMT
#897
Let's play a game! The game is called -- "The OP says everyone can get fake claims!"

Okay, begin the game.

LOOK WE ALL WIN BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN GET FAKE CLAIMS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD EVER BE RELEVANT FOR SLAM TO CLAIM A POSSIBLY MADE UP ROLE ON D1 BECAUSE IT LEADS US NOWHERE AND IT IS NOT, NOR WILL IT EVER BE, SCUMHUNTING.

You don't know whether slam is a 3P or not. If he claims, you don't know whether that's truthful or not. Congratulations, you now have one uncertainty stacked on another! This is...not useful?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:00 GMT
#898
JJD, why can he not be town?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:04 GMT
#900
On April 01 2014 05:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@austin,

why in the world would town fake claim survivor?
The TL Mafia world

There are a number of players that will claim random stuff and I wouldn't even bat an eye. Slam isn't among them, but he's not in the category of people that I think would never ever ever fake claim for fun/to do something.

If you're town and have a sexy role, claim survivor, do nothing, hope to survive to endgame and use the role for town.

If you're town and don't like being lynched/attacked, claim survivor, do nothing, hope town goes and lynches other people.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:05 GMT
#901
Like, the ABSOLUTE BEST reason to lynch slam, imo, is none of this stuff.

It's to get people to shut up about slam and go scumhunt.


I would prefer to have people actually do that instead of have to lynch someone to make it happen though.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:08 GMT
#903
On April 01 2014 05:06 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 05:00 austinmcc wrote:
Let's play a game! The game is called -- "The OP says everyone can get fake claims!"

Okay, begin the game.

LOOK WE ALL WIN BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN GET FAKE CLAIMS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD EVER BE RELEVANT FOR SLAM TO CLAIM A POSSIBLY MADE UP ROLE ON D1 BECAUSE IT LEADS US NOWHERE AND IT IS NOT, NOR WILL IT EVER BE, SCUMHUNTING.

You don't know whether slam is a 3P or not. If he claims, you don't know whether that's truthful or not. Congratulations, you now have one uncertainty stacked on another! This is...not useful?


Suppose slam is a survivor, has a role that we could force him to use in a pro-town or a role that can be confirmed, you don't care what he says?

We don't need to believe him. If he lies, then he lies. If he is truthful, then we get to pick how he uses his role in exchange for his survival, rather than having a neutral player choose to use their role to their personal benefit. In PTP, I was forced to roleclaim as survivor and town eventually lynched it for me because I was shooting townies left and right. Remember?

To be honest, I'd even be interested in hearing a fake claim to give us a better idea of potential roles in the setup.
The OP says everyone can request fake claims.

You can request one and see what powers you are given.

HAS NOBODY ELSE REQUESTED A FAKE CLAIM JUST FOR FUN? WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING? GO GETCHER FAKE CLAIMS!!!

If slam is a survivor, which we can't prove and he can't prove to us, and has a power which he can be forced to use in a pro-town way or can be confirmed by, which we don't know right now, then I believe he would have already said something about that.

If people don't believe your crap, and you have a way to verify your crap, you don't keep doing this. You say "no guys, I can prove it. Ta da!" Your scenario is basically "What if slam can confirm he's not anti-town or not going to act anti-town, but ... hasn't noticed that."
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:14 GMT
#904
JJD, still interested in why slam can't be town
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:17 GMT
#906
Or specifically, I know you have said there is no reason for town to claim in this way.

I think there are both reasons, which I have given, AND I think that people claim stupid stuff on TL mafia sometimes WITHOUT good reason, jsut for lulz.

Do you agree with me at all?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:17 GMT
#907
But I just typed that I am a pig and queztalcoatl and stuff.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:18 GMT
#908
SORRY FOR SPAM BUT WHY DO YOU BELIEVE SLAM BUT YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME?

HE CLAIMED TO BE A SURVIVOR AND YOU JUST TRUST HIM OR THINK HE'S LYING AND A BAD DUDE.

I CLAIMED TO A BIRD/THUNDER GOD AND WHY WON'T YOU GUYS JUST WORSHIP ME AND MAKE PAINTINGS OF ME AND ELECT ME BIRD GOD OF THIS GAME?

##vote: austinmcc for Bird God
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:20 GMT
#911
They were not my normal scum games, but you just played 2 games with scumaustin rayn.

Neither of them were like this.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:24 GMT
#915
At least some of those facts, as usual, are incorrect.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:25 GMT
#916
On April 01 2014 05:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 05:17 austinmcc wrote:
But I just typed that I am a pig and queztalcoatl and stuff.

I don't understand WTF ur trying to say. Are you trying to say that we should ignore what people write? You're not making any sense.
Sometimes, yes.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:27 GMT
#918
Does anyone have a reason why gumshoe should not be lynched?

Kita, I believe it was you who poked at his scum games, and he was more active than this. I concur. His town games are also more active than this. I don't believe inactivity yields a meta read on gumshoe either way. Only that people who don't play the game, and especially people who don't play the game while being on the site and being in the mafia forum sometimes are much more likely to be mafia than town.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:28 GMT
#920
if rayn is a shrink I'm immediately mildly interested in everyone who brought up traitors and conversion mechanics
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:32 GMT
#928
On April 01 2014 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 05:25 austinmcc wrote:
On April 01 2014 05:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On April 01 2014 05:17 austinmcc wrote:
But I just typed that I am a pig and queztalcoatl and stuff.

I don't understand WTF ur trying to say. Are you trying to say that we should ignore what people write? You're not making any sense.
Sometimes, yes.
OK, but sometimes we should right? You do agree that we need to read and analyse peoples posts in order to find mafia right? Cause I can't understand why the F you'd keep asking me the same question when you know damn well what the answer is.

Like you can take any case and say "Why can't he be town?". Then when you're answered by someone explaining the reason, you can just use the same argument you made here and say "Well people type things all the time. Doesn't make it true"
I believe the answer is different than the answer you give. In fact, I believe that I gave you SPECIFIC examples where town might claim survivor.

If nothing else, a townie who thinks he has a strong town role, wants to stay alive until endgame. By claiming survivor and doing nothing, town is less likely to lynch him than other useless folks, and scum is unlikely to shoot him. Instant survival!

I kept reasking the question because you just told me what he wrote. I don't understand why you'd trust what he wrote (and you don't), and I don't understand why you would think that, if he is lying, he MUST be anti-town.

Town people lie all the time even though they shouldn't. Heck, just look at a couple of rayn games.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:34 GMT
#931
On April 01 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
i think rayn meant a mafia-game shrink, like a doctor against conversions
Right which is why I'm kinda interested in the people talking about traitors and conversion mechanics IF he's actually a shrink

some are likely to be town
some are likely to be scum

cuz I know I didn't know exactly how any possible alignment switching would occur.

and I don't love typing this out, because the ones that are scum will know who is town and might have alignment-switching stuff, but they already know that, so ... oh well
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:38 GMT
#939
On April 01 2014 05:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin, the hosts talked about conversion mechanics before the game started. it's probably even in the op
On March 11 2014 23:55 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 08:35 Steveling wrote:
Can you guys explain more about the role changing and hydra things?

Also, is this game gonna happen? I don't see people signing in, Q_Q.

Hydras are 2 players playing as one in the game. They have the same alignment and use a shared account to play the game.

The alignment changing thing means that you start as either town, scum, or 3rd party (if they exist) and there is the possibility of you changing alignments to a side you didn't start as, e.g. you start as town, you become scum; or you start as scum, you become town; or you start as town, you become 3rd party (if they exist); etc.

This game will start when it is full. Most games take a week or two to get filled. It all depends on peoples schedules, current games being played, and the game that is trying to fill up.
As far as I read the OP and this post, there was alignment changing.

But there's nothing specific on mechanics, and given that this game is heavily themed I did not have anything specific in mind - an item, a faction, cyberman recruitment/upgrading, traitors, whatever. There are a whole lot of mechanics you could use to make faction-switching happen.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 20:40 GMT
#941
On April 01 2014 05:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 05:32 austinmcc wrote:
If nothing else, a townie who thinks he has a strong town role, wants to stay alive until endgame. By claiming survivor and doing nothing, town is less likely to lynch him than other useless folks, and scum is unlikely to shoot him. Instant survival!
that's ridiculous. claiming survivor immediately makes him a safe lynch for the town. That'd be the last thing I'd do if I was blue. Puts you right in the spotlight (just like it did)
Generally, the optimal play for survivor is to say you're a survivor in your first post and then basically do nothing.

town will want to lynch you later in the game if they don't win, on the chance you're scum fakeclaiming.

but town shouldn't be trying to lynch you D1.

survivors, even if they are "safe" lynches, are TERRIBLE lynches for town. Lynching scum is good. Lynching not-scum is bad.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 31 2014 21:34 GMT
#988
No I wasn't there and now I am.

On April 01 2014 06:23 Amiko wrote:
As rayn has flipped blue I want to know if anyone feels differently about massclaiming as rayn proposed d1.
I still feel it is a bad idea but since I know it was coming from someone in town I'd like to hear if anyone has re-evaluated it or feels differently.
I feel no different and still think it's a bad idea, especially when everyone gets fakeclaims anyway.

@austinmcc I like most of your posts, but I do not really understand your vote on tehpoofter and it doesn't feel to me like you are pushing that lynch at all.
I talked about conversions some earlier, if you want to pursue that topic I'm glad to during the teatime/night phase.
I think tehpoofter is the scummiest bro on D1. And as of now, since nothing much has happened since lynch. I expected to be in thread at deadline but was pulled away by a phone call, was not around for a gumshoe swap.

I have not been super pushing his lynch the last couple hours, because people seem unreceptive. We'll see what pops out of chatting with him during the night.
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