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austinmcc
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Okay, begin the game. LOOK WE ALL WIN BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN GET FAKE CLAIMS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD EVER BE RELEVANT FOR SLAM TO CLAIM A POSSIBLY MADE UP ROLE ON D1 BECAUSE IT LEADS US NOWHERE AND IT IS NOT, NOR WILL IT EVER BE, SCUMHUNTING. You don't know whether slam is a 3P or not. If he claims, you don't know whether that's truthful or not. Congratulations, you now have one uncertainty stacked on another! This is...not useful? | ||
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On April 01 2014 05:02 JarJarDrinks wrote: The TL Mafia world @austin, why in the world would town fake claim survivor?  There are a number of players that will claim random stuff and I wouldn't even bat an eye. Slam isn't among them, but he's not in the category of people that I think would never ever ever fake claim for fun/to do something. If you're town and have a sexy role, claim survivor, do nothing, hope to survive to endgame and use the role for town. If you're town and don't like being lynched/attacked, claim survivor, do nothing, hope town goes and lynches other people. | ||
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austinmcc
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It's to get people to shut up about slam and go scumhunt. I would prefer to have people actually do that instead of have to lynch someone to make it happen though. | ||
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On April 01 2014 05:06 kitaman27 wrote: The OP says everyone can request fake claims.Suppose slam is a survivor, has a role that we could force him to use in a pro-town or a role that can be confirmed, you don't care what he says? We don't need to believe him. If he lies, then he lies. If he is truthful, then we get to pick how he uses his role in exchange for his survival, rather than having a neutral player choose to use their role to their personal benefit. In PTP, I was forced to roleclaim as survivor and town eventually lynched it for me because I was shooting townies left and right. Remember? To be honest, I'd even be interested in hearing a fake claim to give us a better idea of potential roles in the setup. You can request one and see what powers you are given. HAS NOBODY ELSE REQUESTED A FAKE CLAIM JUST FOR FUN? WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING? GO GETCHER FAKE CLAIMS!!! If slam is a survivor, which we can't prove and he can't prove to us, and has a power which he can be forced to use in a pro-town way or can be confirmed by, which we don't know right now, then I believe he would have already said something about that. If people don't believe your crap, and you have a way to verify your crap, you don't keep doing this. You say "no guys, I can prove it. Ta da!" Your scenario is basically "What if slam can confirm he's not anti-town or not going to act anti-town, but ... hasn't noticed that." | ||
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I think there are both reasons, which I have given, AND I think that people claim stupid stuff on TL mafia sometimes WITHOUT good reason, jsut for lulz. Do you agree with me at all? | ||
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HE CLAIMED TO BE A SURVIVOR AND YOU JUST TRUST HIM OR THINK HE'S LYING AND A BAD DUDE. I CLAIMED TO A BIRD/THUNDER GOD AND WHY WON'T YOU GUYS JUST WORSHIP ME AND MAKE PAINTINGS OF ME AND ELECT ME BIRD GOD OF THIS GAME? ##vote: austinmcc for Bird God | ||
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Neither of them were like this. | ||
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On April 01 2014 05:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sometimes, yes.I don't understand WTF ur trying to say. Are you trying to say that we should ignore what people write? You're not making any sense. | ||
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austinmcc
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Kita, I believe it was you who poked at his scum games, and he was more active than this. I concur. His town games are also more active than this. I don't believe inactivity yields a meta read on gumshoe either way. Only that people who don't play the game, and especially people who don't play the game while being on the site and being in the mafia forum sometimes are much more likely to be mafia than town. | ||
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On April 01 2014 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: I believe the answer is different than the answer you give. In fact, I believe that I gave you SPECIFIC examples where town might claim survivor.OK, but sometimes we should right? You do agree that we need to read and analyse peoples posts in order to find mafia right? Cause I can't understand why the F you'd keep asking me the same question when you know damn well what the answer is. Like you can take any case and say "Why can't he be town?". Then when you're answered by someone explaining the reason, you can just use the same argument you made here and say "Well people type things all the time. Doesn't make it true" If nothing else, a townie who thinks he has a strong town role, wants to stay alive until endgame. By claiming survivor and doing nothing, town is less likely to lynch him than other useless folks, and scum is unlikely to shoot him. Instant survival! I kept reasking the question because you just told me what he wrote. I don't understand why you'd trust what he wrote (and you don't), and I don't understand why you would think that, if he is lying, he MUST be anti-town. Town people lie all the time even though they shouldn't. Heck, just look at a couple of rayn games. | ||
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On April 01 2014 05:31 Hopeless1der wrote: Right which is why I'm kinda interested in the people talking about traitors and conversion mechanics IF he's actually a shrinki think rayn meant a mafia-game shrink, like a doctor against conversions some are likely to be town some are likely to be scum cuz I know I didn't know exactly how any possible alignment switching would occur. and I don't love typing this out, because the ones that are scum will know who is town and might have alignment-switching stuff, but they already know that, so ... oh well | ||
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On April 01 2014 05:35 thrawn2112 wrote: austin, the hosts talked about conversion mechanics before the game started. it's probably even in the op On March 11 2014 23:55 Crossfire99 wrote: As far as I read the OP and this post, there was alignment changing.Hydras are 2 players playing as one in the game. They have the same alignment and use a shared account to play the game. The alignment changing thing means that you start as either town, scum, or 3rd party (if they exist) and there is the possibility of you changing alignments to a side you didn't start as, e.g. you start as town, you become scum; or you start as scum, you become town; or you start as town, you become 3rd party (if they exist); etc. This game will start when it is full. Most games take a week or two to get filled. It all depends on peoples schedules, current games being played, and the game that is trying to fill up. But there's nothing specific on mechanics, and given that this game is heavily themed I did not have anything specific in mind - an item, a faction, cyberman recruitment/upgrading, traitors, whatever. There are a whole lot of mechanics you could use to make faction-switching happen. | ||
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On April 01 2014 05:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: Generally, the optimal play for survivor is to say you're a survivor in your first post and then basically do nothing.that's ridiculous. claiming survivor immediately makes him a safe lynch for the town. That'd be the last thing I'd do if I was blue. Puts you right in the spotlight (just like it did) town will want to lynch you later in the game if they don't win, on the chance you're scum fakeclaiming. but town shouldn't be trying to lynch you D1. survivors, even if they are "safe" lynches, are TERRIBLE lynches for town. Lynching scum is good. Lynching not-scum is bad. | ||
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On April 01 2014 06:23 Amiko wrote: I feel no different and still think it's a bad idea, especially when everyone gets fakeclaims anyway.As rayn has flipped blue I want to know if anyone feels differently about massclaiming as rayn proposed d1. I still feel it is a bad idea but since I know it was coming from someone in town I'd like to hear if anyone has re-evaluated it or feels differently. @austinmcc I like most of your posts, but I do not really understand your vote on tehpoofter and it doesn't feel to me like you are pushing that lynch at all. I think tehpoofter is the scummiest bro on D1. And as of now, since nothing much has happened since lynch. I expected to be in thread at deadline but was pulled away by a phone call, was not around for a gumshoe swap.I talked about conversions some earlier, if you want to pursue that topic I'm glad to during the teatime/night phase. I have not been super pushing his lynch the last couple hours, because people seem unreceptive. We'll see what pops out of chatting with him during the night. | ||
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