EPTIT'S.........BEAUTIFUL
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IT'S.........BEAUTIFUL | ||
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I would read some filters and respond and we'll hunt scum whether or not you're scum, yesyes go! | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:02 kushm4sta wrote: I've got like two fat posts on you a couple pages back. One is ... messy, the other is more concise and specific.godamnit austin which posts? can you facilitate this process as to minimize the amount of time i have to spend talking to you? And yes, I realize you're likely to be River Song. | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:12 kushm4sta wrote: you spent a long time defending him HARD though, on regular "he did this and that and these things were townie" avenues, as well as stuff likecause when i townread him, it was only from the first 2 pages of filter lol "you underestimate the fluidity of his reads" and "he had extra information, but scum wouldn't let town know they have extra information, therefore he's town" Its...difficult to accept "I read filters until I think someone is town then I stop" and also see posts like that. You didn't just think he was town, you defended him D2 when he was a legitimate scum option for a LOT of people, so obviously he's not the towniest town ever. In fact, he's not towny enough that you 100% flip your read when you actually look through his filter. The combo of defending without reading everything and defending FOR THE SPECIFIC REASONS you did don't look gewd. | ||
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I'm skeptical to believe Vivax could be scum given our recent turn as scum in III Titanic. Interested in seeing stuff on hopeless, more interested in seeing things on Kush. Will reread Vivax, but i BELIEVE there's a bunch of comments from him that I found townie, asking this question or that question or just commenting on something at the "right" time. | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:59 kushm4sta wrote: It would help to figure out who those people are by reading filters and whatnot.i feel like half of this game has already been converted and everyone is mafia conspiring against me. | ||
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Cultured mini, vivax 19 filter pages in 3 full cycles as town vigi Game of thrones, vivax ~4 page filter, lynched on D3, mafia Replaces into Bluelightz Mafia: The Attack, ~4-5 page filter in les than 2 full cycles, town Titanic Mini, ~8 page filter, NKed N1, town At least over the last chunk of time, he's much more posty as town, across the board. 3 and 4 pages in his scum games, compared to the first titanic with 8 pages in his first cycle. He's 11 pages in this game, which is a pretty decent amount compared to a lot of the players. That's a point in his favor. Need to look at specific posts, but I wanted to check on that since we were JUST scum together and it didn't appear that either one of us could get our crap together and post. Caveat to that is that these were different games, there was a lot of posting in titanic, not so much activity here. | ||
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And as a paranoid person, I don't care about 4. I can understand "I find some people scummy and they want this other scummy guy to get checked and we're sort of at endgame and need a scum lynch and I'm really worried that this indicates a godfather." Like, your explanation for 4 starts out "From a mafia Vivax perspective." I don't really care if something makes vivax look scummy from a mafia vivax perspective, EVERYTHING IS SCUMMY FROM A MAFIA VIVAX PERSPECTIVE CUZ HE'S MAFIA... Again, I need to do some more filtering. I'd love to hear Kush thoughts. | ||
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On April 06 2014 11:19 Vivax wrote: If someone spends a buttload of time on a post, I'm going to chat with them. I want to know kita's alignment and this is one way to work towards that. Austin I don't want your meta defense I want to figure this game out and you won't do that if you focus on arguing why I'm town. I wanna find out who between kita, poofter, kush, thrawn and hopeless is scum and who is town. Talking with kita, kita posting, is good for town. If I have to make posts that call you town in order to talk with kita, that still leads to goodness for town. | ||
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Alas, they are regular size and I'm just playing my normal town game where I'm not entirely sure if the game is pretty much solved or everything is super wrong. | ||
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Vivax's posts read more skeptical of you. On April 01 2014 02:43 Vivax wrote: I am working things off one by one. Nowhere did I say my suspicion of kita went "poof", so don't assume so just cause I am currently not asking him questions. If you could simply answer instead of spamming desperation cryouts cause of a question then it would be appreciated thanks. On April 01 2014 03:38 Vivax wrote: I like how you explain things around rayn here in your post in spoiler since I got the feeling that he's creating a lot of confusion and drama and I don't like that, it's just that I can't tell if he's doing it on purpose or cause he's just being like that and town but what I do see is that he throws around with scumreads without trying to let them be productive. He's accusatory not inquisitive and he reminds me of the kind of attitude I saw on him in that game where he hydraed with Mocsta as scum, in which he also behaved pretty negatively throughout the game. I'm not sure if I would lynch him D1 though, I would rather be happy with a Kaslam lynch, like I mentioned it's also possible he's traitor and it's already enough if we don't lynch town and get the doubt of the way. + Show Spoiler + On March 31 2014 23:12 kitaman27 wrote: On raynpelikoneet So here is what I was doing at the start of this game. I was actually trying to accomplish something with my play. I was reproducing my behavior to a tee from the recent shadow mini mafia game. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote: ##Vote Sandroba On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote: Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought? I random voted moments into the game, I refused to provide an explanation when asked, I requested that someone vote with me without details, I asked a similar question when prompted, and I moved off the random vote shortly after. The goal here was to prompt someone to question my behavior and see if they attempt to make the connection or if they simply pass off my play as scummy. rayn mentioned that he observed shadow and toad and austin played in it, so even if they don't remember the random vote, it would likely be the first place to look as it was my most recent town game. It's important to note that I'm not trying to say that me emulating my shadow mafia play makes me town. I'm saying that the connection is there for anyone interested in finding it. I was pretty happy that rayn had suggested that was was going to do some research and pushed him in the right direction several times as you can see below. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote: As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion. On March 30 2014 16:23 kitaman27 wrote: Well I'm going to bed now. When I wake up, can you provide a follow up to the "web of disruption" post? On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, have you finished your research yet? On multiple occasions, rayn confirms that he will do the work to back up his initial suspicions. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i gotta figure out if kita does this only as mafia or does he do this as town too (or maybe only as town?) On March 30 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. I'll watch the Formula 1 race that starts in ~30min and i'll do my research after that. Yet when push comes to shove, he decides not to put the effort in. He spends the time into coming up with his thesis that I'm creating a "web of disruption", yet has no interest in backing it up. If he is going to call me scummy, when does he have no interest in catching me? Now there are three possible explanations: 1) He dropped the ball as town, attacking me without putting in the effort 2) He did the research as mafia, didn't like what he found, and dropped the case to avoid calling me town 3) He is a lazy scum player who didn't want to go after me at a point where several players are calling me town If rayn thought that I was looking decently townie otherwise, then maybe I'd consider number one. The biggest issue that I have right now is that as far as I can tell, I am rayn's number one scum suspect. He is pushing slam for being anti-town and shows that he may have reconsidered his read on tehpoofer, yet not a word about myself. rayn describes his play best. I don't think you can argue that he isn't being lazy here. rayn was given the pieces of the puzzle to solve and he chose not to because he "doesn't care". This line of thought is pretty terrible. He explains his willingness to vote for hopelessness over a minor observation about hope a few hours into the game. Not only does he not consider that foolishness could be wrong, he is using the justification for the vote because he respects foolishness as a player, not because he thinks its a valid argument. He even goes as far as dropping his suspicion of myself due to my interaction with hope. rayn states that he has done the most scum hunting in the game hands down, he suggests that I am his number one scum read, and he hasn't showed any attempt to figure out my alignment. As he mentioned earlier, he is trying to force the pieces in the wrong order. The one thing holding me up is 1) His mass claim policy is consistent with his previous behavior as town 2) Slam is one of the most anti-town players in recent memory Right now I'd probably be leaning towards a rayn lynch and hopefully having a vig take care of slam so he is removed as a discussion topic. I would like to look at a few more individuals before I finalize my vote. On April 01 2014 03:46 Vivax wrote: Nullish atm, didn't like how you started with your trick, then it seemed like you reacted to the pressure by giving a summary of the situation which felt like a stretch and looked like a post designed to look good not to find scum. That would be my main beef with your play. The way you replied to rayn made me feel better about you cause you pointed out his disruptive attitude. Pushes for slam OVER a rayn lynch. So he's not thinking "Best Case of the Century" about you --> rayn. Some stuff that might be relevant later. MWAHAHAHAHAHA I FOUND A THING MWAHAHAHAHAHA I AM SNEAKY MWAHAHAHAHA. There's a lot of rolefishing, including at toad about being "protected." That's not so good. A decent amount of thread wrangling. Let's stop talking about claims / possible reasons why nobody dead N1 / the alignment of Vivax, and focus on ---> this case, these people, etc. Townie, although certainly a thing scum can do. This INCLUDES stuff like hopeless half claiming, and vivax immediately swapping focus to other people he's been finding scummy or scummy-ish, saying hopeless is off the table. Isn't IMMEDIATELY worried about JJD, given that we saw no KP N1, and he later believes that I might have been a N1 NK target. This is not good, during the claimfest he wonders what JJD was doing N1, but...if he believes he actually got a protect and ONLY JJD visited me other than himself, he should be believing that JJD tried to kill me. Like...he should at least have that lightbulb go off and be reading JJD the moment Hopeless claims. He immediately, after the 2 N2 NKs, is looking at who they were suspicious of. Unclear what to make of this. If he's town, he's looking to see why they might have been NKed. If he's scum, those were NKs designed to drive the D3 lynch onto town, both djo/JJD scummy on hopeless and kita. HOWEVER, I assume scum trying to push lynches on town, not possibly get a scum lynched for no reason on D3, so his focus on hopeless/kita would make it more likely they are town in a scumVivax world, leaving us needing like 1-3 scummers to go with vivax who aren't myself/hopeless/kita and that's a weird world and I don't like it. I dunno. His posts look pretty townie. He's constantly around, chiming in with smallish posts. That is 1000000000% unlike III Titanic, and I'm not liking this filter for scum. He also seems to legitimately be reading things. Randomly today finds Gumshoe saying he's the doctor. WHO ON THE SCUM TEAM IS LOOKING AT GUMSHOE'S POSTS ON D3? WHY IS THE SCUM TEAM LIKE "OH HEY, DID GUMSHOE RANDOMLY CLAIM ANY OTHER ROLES AND MAYBE SOME TOWNIES GOT IMPLICATED HUE HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE?" THE ANSWER IS NO SCUM IS NOT LOOKING AT FRIGGING GUMSHOE'S POSTS FROM D1 BECAUSE GUMSHOE IS DEAD AND HE DOESN'T MATTER AND THEY'RE TRYING TO LYNCH TOWN AND WIN THE GAME AND THEY'RE GONNA ARGUE ABOUT STUFF THAT MATTERS AND NOT WHAT GUMSHOE DID ON D1 AND THAT IS STUPIDLY TOWNIE AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T A WONDERFUL REASON AND IF MARV IS IN OBS HE'S EITHER LIKE "DAMN AUSTIN IS BETTER THAN ME" OR THINKS I'M AN IDIOT BUT REALLY WHY IS SCUM IN GUMSHOE'S FILTER? | ||
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It's not a terrible read, it's not a big time-waster. I would love to hear just basic basic rough guesses. Kush mafia? Kush possible mafia behind like 1 mistaken read? Kush and Vivax sexy mafia friendzzz? | ||
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I know it's a thing for scum to harp on and chat about and look busy, but when I've been reading it (at least up until today's start), it felt more like a townie overthinking/valueing the blue roles or something. I dunno, he's curious but I liked his N1/early D2 enough that he's been off my radar. | ||
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Kita's semi-not-around for a bunch of it, clearly puts a bunch of work into some posts, makes points, has a train of thought, blah blah blah. Okay, great. And he sticks around to talk about his post a little. Alright, good. But in the ~48ish minutes of making his post and leaving thread, while he talks about it a little and responds, he doesn't just go....check stuff on kush? Again, we NEED to lynch scum, and should want to know if kush is scum with vivax, more likely scum than vivax, if vivax is super scummy and therefore kush is townie because of whatever. But he just...doesn't. He drops his case and moves things forward a little but in the tiny bit of extra time he's not like...looking for more. | ||
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I think 3 protective roles is a lot. I think 2 roleblockers for town is kind of a lot. I think being able to roleblock someone repeatedly (as JK) is weird, but my PM says nothing about not being able to target the same guy, and neither does Gumshoe's medic PM. I think most anything and an inventor is a lot, that always feels like such a powerful role. I think your stuff on why scum could use a the mickey role to track Rose (especially knowing she's a DT) and try to undermine her checks ahead of time is kind of doodycakes. For one, they don't know where she goes UNTIL SHE GOES THERE. They can't bus red checks or shoot green checks before she gets checks, because they don't find out where she went until she went there. They can bus a teammate right before Rose claims the red check, or can bus IF rose doesn't claim her role and just pushes red checks, but ...... it's not like they get free reign to limit the usefulness of cop checks. And if they got to watch AHEAD of time, were told who she was GOING to target, they could just kill targets. I don't think it's useful in the way you were saying, and I think it's really odd for you to go on that tangent, just for a bit, even if you conclude it doesn't make much sense for Hopeless to be mafia and Vivax town, etc. | ||
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Like...spending a bunch of time shows that you care about the game. Which makes it more likely you look at things, tired or no, 5 hours or no. It cuts both ways. Plus I'm curious about a Kush/Vivax team and whether you think that's possible. If it's NOT, then I'm looking in ALL THE WRONG AREAS AND THAT IS BAD. If you think it fits stuff, then maybe we have some common ground and maybe you're not mafia or whatever. | ||
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I will look over him more, but again, I just liked his response to my scumread on him and there was that one particular post that I just don't think scum makes. | ||
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On April 01 2014 18:13 Tehpoofter wrote: I think austin's case sounded townie even though it was against me. So its a weird question to ask mafia because if I'm right and austin is town then they have to comment on a town on town case and they might polarize who they can push on safely by answering in a way where they call us both town. I also find it odd it gained like no traction since I was town probably because there wasnt a lot of scum and rayn is stronger than me and was being voted but still its a good thing to bring up now before we get to a point where the main wagons from the D1 are lynched or dead or w.e. so if people bring it up as evidence they have to go with what they say no as opposed to being able to say w.e. they want to throw dirt on me or austin. (again this is mostly based on the read I have that austin is town.) That one, it's such a wonky sentiment. I think austin's case sounded townie even though it was against me. So its a weird question to ask mafia because if I'm right and austin is town then they have to comment on a town on town case and they might polarize who they can push on safely by answering in a way where they call us both town. Like, it's just really weird. Sure, it could be scum giving a funky scummy answer and being unwilling to call me mafia, but it doesn't read like someone just unwilling to call me mafia, it's this strange-sounding plan "AHA I AM TOWN AND HE IS TOWN AND SCUM WILL HAVE A HARD TIEM DEALING WITH TOWN ON TOWN ACTION AND SO NOW I SHALL PURSUE SCUM HAHA!"(Would be useful to look and see whether he pursues any reads on the people he was asking about my case on him. He SHOULD be doing this if he's really trying to read those people) He also calls my existence as Quetzalcoatl "bird RP bullshit." Scum is unlikely to risk my wrath by mocking my divine avian nature. | ||
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