EPTI'm still particularly interested in a timeline of thrawnthoughts on Vivax and Kita, and Toad even though he's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible.
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I'm still particularly interested in a timeline of thrawnthoughts on Vivax and Kita, and Toad even though he's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. | ||
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Poofter is indeed playing curiously, but that's a change since D2, not D1. If I had a gut, and not a Glorious Bird God Gizzard, and if my hypothetical gut were a betting gut, I would go with thrawn N1 conversion and either poofter or amiko N2 conversion  That's for later though. For now, we need dudes doing stuff that ain't scummy. We need dudes to talk about who they think should be checked, and why they have people on the list who aren't kita (they probably should), and why they think the check shouldn't be on kita (they shouldn't think this). We should also have kita claim. We should also all be friends and smile. Mafia, we will kill you, but we will smile while we do it. We are the friendliest murderers of your faction that you're ever going to meet. | ||
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So in some ways, urrthing intersects. | ||
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Until stuff happens like you not having a magical new read on poofter or talking about people other than poofter or us discussing who to check, or kita claiming, or any other jazz, then I really don't care about poofter much at all. Especially if you think he was converted, then it would still be optimal for town to take out whoever is DOING the converting, and therefore, poofter is a fallback lynch for you and you want to be hunting for Da Mafia Boss. | ||
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On April 05 2014 12:25 thrawn2112 wrote: You don't have to ignore him. But there's more than a single mafia in this game. And one or more of them are more dangerous than the others (assuming we're dealing with a specific converter(s), and not everyone gets to start converting).that's just stupid there is no way that if i think i've found mafia that I'm going to ignore that and REALLY austin. I wish there were players in this game that knew me, they would be able to tell you that I am the worst conversion target ever on the forum. I'm not so much asking you to ignore him (I know I kinda am a bit), but just to...not ignore EVERYTHING ELSE. Hopefully that makes sense, to everyone reading. Focusing purely on tehpoofter isn't a focus on mafia and scumhunting, it's IGNORING EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE GAME, including things like KITAMAN. | ||
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We have a thing. A townie made the thing. It is supposed to help us find scum. Should we use it? (this is an easy one) Should we use it on Poofter? Should we use it on Kita? On someone else? Rawr! It's a thing and we have it and it's hopefully good! | ||
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I'm personally in favor of checking kita over thrawn. | ||
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On April 05 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote: I find a 1-mafia start unlikely. @austin so how many scum you think there is cause if I was being objective I would say 3 at this point unless they missed a conversion then 2 assuming a 1 scum start. Would guess 3-4 total. Probably 2 start and a third converted? Another option is a 3 start with the option to convert 1 person or so, I don't think there's some MASSIVE conversion with a 3 scum start. Also given all the talk of alignment switching, I don't know what to think about conversions exactly. Having anti-conversion mechanics in rayn indicates that conversions are a lasting threat to town, indicating we probably start with like 2 scum and the threat of conversion is constant. I kind of thought there might be multiple alignment-swapping mechanics, given the OP, but it seems difficult to swap people from scum to town --> they just give up the team. One option is nothing but pseudonyms in scum chat. Seems terrible. One option is scum having limited conversion or no conversion powers, and things just happening naturally. If amiko's role swap is to be believed OR not believed, conversions could simply be a function of time. If x is alive for y cycles, send new message, convert, etc. OVERALL THOUGH ALL THAT ASIDE I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY AT 3-4 RIGHT NOW | ||
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On April 05 2014 12:59 Amiko wrote: JJD claimed to target ME N1, and kita N2.Okay, first thought: Hopeless1der claims that he watches whoever Rose (JarJarDrinks) targets. JarJarDrinks is has flipped blue so I have no reason to doubt this. Therefore, if hopeless1der is honest, n1 hopeless1der watched kitaman27. Now, hopeless1der has claimed that he saw Vivax visit the target. Therefore, if hopeless1der is honest, n1 he saw Vivax visit kitaman27. However. Vivax has claimed that he visited Austin n1 and n2. Therefore, I think there must be scum between Vivax and Hopeless1der. (umm does this make sense? lol) On N1, hopeless (if truthful) would have seen Vivax and JJD targeting me. That checks out. On N2, hopeless would have seen JJD targeting (kita). At first, hopeless said he saw ME visiting last night. I roleblocked kita, or attempted to, so that checks out. However, hopeless shortly thereafter said he got a correction and that he saw NOBODY else visiting his target. That would be the case if Vivax roleblocked me, I would not have visited kita. I don't believe there to be a contradiction. There's a contradiction if you assume Hopeless is lying about host update, 100%. However, if you believe the update, there's no contradiction. | ||
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I don't particularly see why a check would wait until the end of cycle, and I certainly don't see why, if the check is at end-of-cycle, you wouldn't...mention that. | ||
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And either way, you've written a little on kita D1 --> other days. What about thrawn, hopeless, vivax, my mother (just kidding, Bird Gods are born from the aether), and whatever else is interesting? | ||
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Bird God, suckas. #cawcaw | ||
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If you assume it's false, kita + what? | ||
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Anyway, here is where I sit in my currently unhelpful spot (because holy crap we need to lynch scum and we're all sort of dawdling while "waiting" on crap, which btw is scummy in its own right) I don't trust this check in the slightest. Here's previous stuff on Kush -+ Show Spoiler + On April 05 2014 04:26 austinmcc wrote: kush has weird posts on Kita, real weird. Think of kita as a person, his thought process is transparent, hopeless is tooscummytobescum and lynchbait. Lots of like...very randomly sure stuff on people he hasn't discussed TOO much. His comments on kita are strange throughout. REALLY WEIRD. JJD attacks kita, kush says JJD is "underestimating the fluidity of [kita's] reads D1." Despite saying he doesn't know kita well, hasn't played with the guy much. Just...look through kush's filter for kita and follow the trail. CURIOUS MAXIMUS. Kush ALSO fails to comment at all on hopeless/vivax/JJD, even though he's been pushing Vivax during the day and is scummy on vivax and voting him. But then he drops off Vivax for being "engaged and shit" on D2, and says he's overestimating Vivax's town game. (KUSH DID NOT POST WITHIN LIKE 4:30 OF LYNCH, THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS HOPELESS POSTING BUT NOT COMMENTING ON THINGS. BUT THE VIVAX STUFF IS ODD, THE WAY HE JUST DUMPS HIS READ) Kush tonight is possible scum on THRAWN, JJD, DJODREF, AMIKO, and POOFTER. Half the game is possible scum with no real reasoning. Then he jumps on Amiko for having "weak shit" to back up reads. Some of this play is just kush. I don't have a good meta grasp, have not gone back and read games, should do that if alive D3. Kush's townieness essentially just stems from the claim and shot, and I don't like sorting people's alignments based on roles, I have used that to great effect as scum in themed games myself. KP + sekrit voting are questionable town powers. Blah blah blah. Does anyone believe kush town/supertown based on NOT his role? We should chat! Because his filter raises some flags between his magically appearing N2 reads, all his stuff on Kita, and ... actually those are the biggest things for me. Kush's Early Game Kushmasta is super logical and active at the beginning of the game. Boom, slam is scum for writing sentences normally. Boom, kita is random voting for info --> and that means that kush is concerned about thrawn's response. Questions about mass claims, thoughts on slam being survivor/mafia, "catching" rayn for his actions and comparing them to past games, comments on past crossfire games being solvable with mass claims, comment on toad's case on hopeless (unconvincing) --> using that case to make a read on toad (probably town). Take that. Take that D1. He's making reads on people, he's posting in response to things happening, toad makes a case? Kush talks about the case AND makes a read on toad. Kita random votes? Kush talks about random voting AND asks questions of thrawn about his response. Yes yes good good. Now, couple of things.
Kush and Kita, Suspected of Sitting in a Tree. The Tree is Scummy. More at 11 Kush --> Kita + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 12:45 kushm4sta wrote: What kita did is referred to as RVS. Basically randomly voting someone for a bullshit reason at the beginning of the game to spur discussion. It is a tactic of dubious merits in my opinion, but it is very popular on other sites, especially mafiascum. I am also concerned about thawn's response to kita. Thrawn have you never experienced RVS before? It seems fake that you would press kita for his reasoning for a vote that is obviously based on nothing. A treatise on RVS, and what kita is doing. On March 31 2014 22:08 kushm4sta wrote: Kita has too much evidenceI think toads case on hopeless is unconvincing but it probably comes from town, unless toad stepped it up hard core since his last scum game. Gotta read Raines newest stuff still. I think there is evidence that kita has too much information. On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote: Questioning Kita's loyalties, and why he voted rayn. Keep in mind kush doublevoted rayn. It's okay to question someone else's motives for voting your target, that's super sexy. But kush never does this until AFTER the lynch.Questions for Kita why do you think this? Why is the boldified relevant? Have you ever played with town rayn before? I'm sure you have. In that game, was he not super sure about his reads d1? Why do you write more about how hopeless is scum, yet you push the rayn lynch? In your last post about rayn, which is not quoted, half of it is saying why you think he might be town. So basically, what made rayn a better lynch than hopeless yesterday? On April 02 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote: is kita a guy who hates playing scum? Hi I am 12 and how does kita play scum? AFTER KUSH POSTS THOSE QUESTIONS TO KITA, KITA RESPONDS ---> On April 01 2014 22:16 kitaman27 wrote: This post leads kush to find Kita townieScum numbers need to be balanced. If you start with the max scum numbers for a 14 player setup and then add a changing alignment mechanic on top of it your would need to compensate somehow. Having a scum - > town conversation makes no sense since they would simply post the scum list, so a nerfed starting number makes the most sense. Was trying to show my mindset as mafia, but it probably makes more sense to me than anyone else. Wasn't really necessary I suppose. Yes, though I don't recall him ever going after myself actually. The fact that he was willing to call me 100% confirmed mafia I found incredibly scummy because he essentially took that stance based on my post on him. I can't imagine myself ever acting like he did as town, but I guess he runs hotter. When I posted my case on him, I gave him several opportunities to justify his scum read on myself and essentially he gave a "I don't care"/"I'm too lazy" response even though he suggested that I was mafia several times. That didn't sit well with me so I went after him and he blew up. I wrote about hopeless because I wanted to look at a few other people before deciding that he was my preferred lynch. At the point where I wrote the rayn case, I hadn't looked at anyone else with much depth yet. I did explain in my post why I felt rayn was a better lynch due to admitting the weakness of the case based on the few quotes I picked out and that his relationship with rayn was based on post-flip analysis. I was making assumptions about his alignment based on rayn flipping a certain way, which wasn't what I wanted to base a day one lynch on. The biggest point against hope was that he seemed to suggest that he wanted to follow through with the 1:1 trade if rayn flipped town, even though he seemed to agree with my case and had not mentioned any suspicion of myself prior to rayn suggesting the deal. I'll likely be spending more time reading than posting this night cycle, but I may pop in from time to time. On April 02 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote: my thoughts on massclaim = retarded as ever dont know what you mean about "pure supposition about toad" but he looks town to me for various reasons. kitaman looking townie. On April 02 2014 13:40 kushm4sta wrote: kita slipped and was scummy for it.im kind of busy with shit now so I'm not going to filter dive at this second, which is what I really need to do. about kita having too much information.. since then i pretty much 180ed on that. It was how he said this game only has 1 or 2 scum, when i was approaching the game thinking there were 3 or 4. But in actuality, if kita were scum, he probably wouldn't have said that at all because he would be extra careful not to reveal he has too much information. But actually, if kita were scum, HE WOULDN'T HAVE SLIPPED AND BEEN SCUMMY. THIS IS A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE POINT AND I NEED TO REMEMBER IT FOR CONCISE POSTING. LOOK AT KUSH'S COMMENT HERE. "Kita slipped and gave out information that made him look like he was scum with info on scum numbers. Kita has extra information (that town does not." ---> "Kita is not scummy for this, because scumKita would not slip and give out extra information." The conclusion is HORRIBLY HORRIBLY wrong. "Scum are careful and don't do scummy things. Therefore, people doing scummy things are probably town." Seriously. I'm not exaggerating. If I'm twisting those words, it's BARELY. Kita revealed info town shouldn't have, but he's townie for that because scum would be careful and not reveal this information. ALSO ALSO, small contrast with kush asking how kita plays scum....MAYBE KITA IS THE WORST SCUM PLAYER ON EARTH OR ALWAYS SLIPS OR WHATEVER, KUSH HAS BASICALLY NO IDEA HOW CAREFUL KITA IS AS SCUM BUT WILL TOWNREAD KITA FOR DOING SOMETHING SCUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and another ! for good measure Kush --> Kita, Act 2 + Show Spoiler + Now he's called Kita town. Kita is under pressure D2. Look at kush's kita-talk. On April 02 2014 13:43 kushm4sta wrote: jjd sorry bro i dont follow your kita case at all. yes his plan to copy his own meta and reaction test was dumb and complicated. Dumb and complicated things usually come from townies though. Okeedoke, fine. Explained reason to find kita townie. Townies do dumb and complicated stuff, scum generally don't want to look dumb/strange. On April 02 2014 13:49 kushm4sta wrote: Kita is open about having doubts that rayn is scum. But pushed his lynch, and together Kita and Kush are 60% of the non-rayn votes on Kush.1 i would not call that a defense 2 if you look at kita's case, he is quite open about having doubts that rayn is scum, and he points out things about rayn that look townie. i am not seeing inconsistency. IF KUSH IS TOWN, I WOULD EXPECT HIM TO GO "WELL GEE GOLLY, KITA DOUBTED RAYN WAS SCUM, BUT WHO CARES BECAUSE RAYN WAS REALLY SCUMMY, I SHOULD KNOW, I PUT TWO VOTES ON HIM MYSELF, AND IT'S OKAY TO HAVE DOUBTS BUT LYNCH SCUMMY BROS. On April 02 2014 23:06 kushm4sta wrote: Now kush is really going deep TO EXPLAIN SOMEONE ELSE'S ACTIONS AND THOUGHT PROCESSES.jjd, you are misunderstanding this post I think. Basically the important part is at the moment. Then a combination of two things happened. Rayn did some shit kita found scummy AND kita reconsidered the scumminess in rayn's play. To me, Kita's thought process is VERY transparent. He wrote at least two long ass posts dealing with his reads and the thought process behind them. His play would be extremely hard to pull off as scum I think. Furthermore, think of Kita as a person. I don't know him that well, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt he would be the kind of flashy scum player to try to get rayn mislynched D1. I see kita as being a less confrontational scum player. Yes that meta is based on complete assumption. THIS IS A GUY WHOSE SCUM GAME HE DOESN'T KNOW. HE HASN'T CLAIMED ANY MEGA KITA KNOWLEDGE. HE HASN'T EXPLAINED WHAT OTHER PLAYERS WERE THINKING AT ANY GIVEN TIME. HE DOESN'T KNOW KITA WELL, BUT WANTS JJD TO "THINK OF KITA AS A PERSON" THIS MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL HE DOESN'T KNOW KITA'S SCUM PLAY. HE ASSUMES THAT KITA'S SCUM PLAY ISN'T FLASHY. HE ASSUMES KITA IS LESS CONFRONTATIONAL. BUT JUST EARLIER, INSTEAD OF MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, HE WAS ASKING HOW KITA PLAYS SCUM. DOES NOT COMPUTE. DOES NOT COMPUTER. #ANGRYSQUAWK. SERIOUSLY THOUGH KUSH IS BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO EXPLAIN WHAT KITA WAS DOING AND HOW KITA THINKS AND THAT IS REALLY ODD. On April 03 2014 00:36 kushm4sta wrote: NO JJD. YOU UNDERESTIMATE THE FLUIDITY OF KITA'S READS. KUSH HAS A DEGREE IN KITANOMICS. A PHD IN ANCIENT ARCHAKITAEOLOGY. KUSH HAS TRACKED KITA THROUGH THE BUSH USING NOTHING BUT BROKEN BRANCHES AND TRACES OF PARTICULAR BERRIES LEFT IN KITA'S FECES. KUSH KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT KITA WAS THINKING AND HOW HE PLAYS AND THIS REMAINS REALLY FUNKY.jjd did you see what i said about kita? i tihnk you are underestimating the fluidity of his reads d1. On April 04 2014 07:19 kushm4sta wrote: Kitaman is HELLA TOWN during N3austinmcc - hella town kitaman27 - hella town Hopeless1der - probably town thrawn2112 - possible scum JarJarDrinks -possible scum Vivax - probably town Djodref - possible scum Amiko - possible scum Tehpoofter - possible scum On April 05 2014 18:23 kushm4sta wrote: Now kita might have been converted. NOT starting scum. Strong D1, weaker other days. ok so i just read kita. d1 is really townie but then his activity falls off a lot. I wasn't really thinking about scum that could have been converted but yeah both kita and tehpoof look like possible conversions. I'm checking kita. (Note: I didn't post the full blurb in this game, but I swear I've posted it in 1-2 others. Probably Shadow. I made some minor mention here about how Kita was looking town D1, but I needed to wait, and last time I "caught" him I got NKed N1 and it was too late to push him as a sure thing. But scumKita, when I've seen him play scum, looks REALLY townie for most of D1, then just coasts. He stops pushing things, doing work, giving large reads, making cases, etc. He just builds up that cred and glides. That is EXACTLY what I remember of Kita's scum play and EXACTLY what has happened this game and EXACTLY what kush is saying) On April 05 2014 18:45 kushm4sta wrote: READ THIS READ THIS READ THIScause rayn had a power role directly relating to conversions. So does kita probably since he mentioned conversions d1. So it's very likely that there have already been conversions. (1) Rayn had a power role related to conversion (2) Kita mentioned conversions D1 (too much info, remember?) (3) Kita probably has a role relating to conversions (4) _____________________ KITA MENTIONED CONVERSIONS. TOWN HAD A SHRINK WHO IS DEAD. DOES KUSH THINK TOWN HAD TWO SHRINKS? THAT'S KIND OF A LOT. DOES KUSH THINK KITA CAN UNCONVERT SOMEONE? THAT'S A GAME-BREAKING POWER. DOES KUSH THINK KITA CAN DI THE CONVERTING? HE NEVER SAYS. FOR ALL KUSH'S THOUGHTS ON KITA AND HIS PLAY AND HIS LONG, FLOWING HAIR, AND FOR ALL HIS D1 READS "AND", KUSH MAKES A SERIOUS OBSERVATION ABOUT KITA AND 100000% DECLINES TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT. KITA KNOWS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVERSIONS, RAYN FLIPPED TOWN WITH A ROLE DEALING WITH CONVERSIONS, KITA LIKELY HAS A ROLE THAT CONCERNS CONVERSIONS, AND ______________????? IS KITA TOWN/SCUM....WHAT!? Gets the check back. Kita is town THE END. No questions asked. No suspicion of Godfatherness. Nothing. Kita --> Kush + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote: kush is someone who usually gets on my nerves early and hasn't done so yet, which is a concern. I seem to remember him playing mafia and acting completely reasonable, but I'll have to look back to familiarize myself with some of his more recent games. In my opinion, thrawn and hope both overreacted to the random vote, yet kush doesn't draw the same conclusion by only expressing suspicion of thrawn. If slam is a survivor, then kush being the first one to defend him may make sense as mafia if he knows his alignment. Kita will look into Kush's mafia play. Kush's defense of slam seems POSSIBLE scummy. On April 01 2014 04:31 kitaman27 wrote: Kush doesn't respond, again this is kita talking about low numbers and conversions.If I had to guess it would be based on my speculation of mafia numbers maybe? Anything to add kush? On April 02 2014 05:27 kitaman27 wrote: Kita asks me about suspects, I say kush/toad/gumshoe, kita does not have kush as a scum suspect despite - (1) the slam response maybe being scummy and (2) kush calling him out for extra information, AND THEN THERE'S NO FOLLOWUP ON THIS FROM KITA OR ANYTHING, HE JUST DON'T CARE I'm looking at some combination of vivax, djo and hopeless at the moment. I've been running into a lot of town reads myself. At least if the mafia pulls off a conversation, it might be easier to find mafia! XD austin, do you think toad's "foolishness" read was simply an attempt to throw us off early? Does his no vote mechanic seem like a way to make up for the mafia conversion balance wise or does it seem more like a town role to you? On April 02 2014 09:47 kitaman27 wrote: Kita defends kush here, kush likely town because his opinion on survivors is the same as in the past. This isn't....really substantive? Someone's opinion on survivors, ESPECIALLY IF EXPRESSED OVER AND OVER AS TOWN, is probably not the BEST reason to townread them. What about actual PLAY? Does Kita like Kush's vote? Don't know.You still think kush is sketchy? When I went to look at him originally, I found these quotes from persona and golden sun where he was town, which seems to match the same mentality this game. It lines up with his position of not lynching slam and suggesting that we look at those that do since mafia are likely to go after third party targets. His post length seems to be what I would expect from a town kush as well. OKAY NOW I NEED TO CLEAN THIS UP SORRY ABOUT POSTING A BIG BLOB BUT YOU CAN KIND OF FOLLOW MY THOUGHTS AND NOW I/WE NEED TO NARROW DOWN WHAT'S DUMB AND TUNNEL-Y AND WHAT IS SCUMMY | ||
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In Witchcraft, filter above, he's scumbuddies with djodref and he's all up in djodref's grill. In Default Suspicions, he doesn't really comment on his buddies much, although he says he's okay vigging one. But I swear he's got a reputation for liking to bus. That kind of weakens the case, but if you tunnel in hard enough, you see Kush talking about Kita having too much information D1, maybe starting to create distance. Then possibly because of low numbers, or Kita's role, or WHATEVER, kush backs off and is super defendy. THIS DOES NOT FIT WHAT I KNOW OF KUSH'S META, THAT IS TRUE. But i think the posts and the mindset and where he goes with things is scummy, regardless of meta. | ||
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(1) Kush's D1 involves a decent amount of posting, some casual posting, and an extension of his thoughts. "Kita is doing random voting ---> thrawn why did you respond like you did to the random voting?" "toad your case on hopeless is meh ---> toad is likely town for that case" "past crossfire games solveable with claims ----> claims probably no good here" Kush's N1/D2/N2/D3 does not involve the same sort of posts. I do not see this as conversion-y, more just tailing off or getting comfortable with being scum in this particular game. But the feel of his posts shifts. (2) Kush's filter is not as large as his filters in recent towngames. It is closer to the length of his filter in recent-ish scumgames. Specifically, even on games that end in 2 days, Kush's filter is generally double digits. (3) This particular set of posts on kita. On March 31 2014 22:08 kushm4sta wrote: Kita has too much information. This is in relation to Kita thinking scum started with low numbers and will convert people. This was before rayn's flip, we weren't SURE we had conversion mechanics in the game, just alignment-switching SOMEHOW.I think toads case on hopeless is unconvincing but it probably comes from town, unless toad stepped it up hard core since his last scum game. Gotta read Raines newest stuff still. I think there is evidence that kita has too much information. On April 02 2014 13:40 kushm4sta wrote: This conclusion. Kita slipped and had too much information. HOWEVER, a scum kita would be careful and not reveal too much information. Therefore, implicitly, kita is town.im kind of busy with shit now so I'm not going to filter dive at this second, which is what I really need to do. about kita having too much information.. since then i pretty much 180ed on that. It was how he said this game only has 1 or 2 scum, when i was approaching the game thinking there were 3 or 4. But in actuality, if kita were scum, he probably wouldn't have said that at all because he would be extra careful not to reveal he has too much information. This post, particularly, is super duper duper scummy to me. Regardless of kita's carefulness, Kush thinks kita has too much information. If Kita is town, where does he get this information? Kush does not explain, think about this, anything. He simply assumes Kita would be careful scum, and so Kita is implicitly town. That is butt, because it gives no reason why kita would have information in the first place, and Kush is basically saying that scum would be careful and not do scummy stuff, so people who do scummy things are implicitly town. Absolutely a scummy conclusion, it's not logical, it makes no sense, it doesn't explain the game, not just this game but it's a bad conclusion ALWAYS. (4) Contrast that with Kush appearing to not know Kita's scum game On April 02 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote: Kush doesn't know if kita likes/hates playing scum. Appears not to know scumKita.is kita a guy who hates playing scum? Furthermore, think of Kita as a person. I don't know him that well, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt he would be the kind of flashy scum player to try to get rayn mislynched D1. I see kita as being a less confrontational scum player. This is kush in response to JJD attacking Kita. Kush doesn't know Kita's scumplay at all. But yet he'll assume how kita plays scum, and above he assumes that scum kita is super careful. He's just making stuff up about scum kita, in part to justify kita doing scummy stuff.Yes that meta is based on complete assumption. (5) Kush's check On April 05 2014 18:23 kushm4sta wrote: Kush has been townie on kita before, "hella townie" during N3. Now he's worried about Kita, will check.ok so i just read kita. d1 is really townie but then his activity falls off a lot. I wasn't really thinking about scum that could have been converted but yeah both kita and tehpoof look like possible conversions. I'm checking kita. On April 05 2014 18:45 kushm4sta wrote: As part of explaining why kita might be suspicious (or something), he mentions conversions.cause rayn had a power role directly relating to conversions. So does kita probably since he mentioned conversions d1. So it's very likely that there have already been conversions. This is THE EXTRA INFO THAT KITA HAD D1. Kush doesn't mention that, forgets it maybe? Kush also fails to follow through this thought process.
(6) Super speculation! In a game in which town has a heavy numbers advantage and scum needs conversions, scum needs a little bit of protection in the early game. SOME of that can come from town mission votes --> see toad. Less town votes mean scum less likely to get blown up on D1. Another way is MORE scum votes --> see Kush. An extra scum vote for a day means maybe extra control of the D1 lynch, and some confusion added. Kush's role also balances that out nicely for scum. You guys get an extra vote, but can exchange it for a single shot (posted in thread). Scum can continuously dick with votes, but only in exchange for giving up KP. Anyway, I really don't trust this check right now. I could easily see Kush and Kita being mafia. The only townie thing in Kush's corner is his role/shooting gumshoe, and ALL WE KNOW ABOUT THAT IS THAT KUSH DROPPED AN EXTRA VOTE WITHOUT SAYING IT, THEN SHOT SOMEONE FOR CLAIMING HIS SPECIFIC ROLE. THAT JUST TELLS US KUSH HAD AN EXTRA VOTE AND KP. SCUM OR TOWN, WOULDN'T YOU SHOOT SOMEONE WHO WAS LYING ABOUT THEIR ROLENAME? IF YOU'RE TOWN, THEY ARE LYING SHOOT EM. IF YOU'RE SCUM, THEY AREN'T SCUM, SHOOT EM. EZPZ LEMON SQUEEZY. | ||
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