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On April 07 2014 10:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 07:45 Vivax wrote:
What imo is a strong indicator of kita being mafia is that scum shot Djo knowing that me and hopeless were both blue (if hope isn't scum), they would never take such a risk of not shooting a claimed blue without already KNOWING Djo was inventor, and inventor is clearly a much better role than a claimed JK or such a watcher. Then explain why I wouldn't roleblock djo knowing that he was the inventor and protected austin instead? That's essentially a free nuke or dt check added to the game because I was feeling generous?Djo claimed blue early on in the game so it's only a process of elimination to figure out his identity. I'm also on the nuke tp bandwagon. He jumps on kush for a weak reason, he has a vanilla role which is likely fake and kush chose not to check him even though he was his strongest scum read. Instead, he checked the player he claimed to have a town read on for most of the game.
On April 05 2014 05:44 austinmcc wrote:
Okay good. Not 100%, as I could see scum having either the Cyber Planner or the Doctor as a main role, possibly with Godfather protection, but that's nice.
I am a roleblocker and RBed Toad N1, RBed Kita N2. If kita shows town and does what I think he might do, he's likely cleared. If kita doesn't do what I think he might do, it may be because of my RB and Vivax would have faked his claim (or kita don't do what i think he do).
Usually roleblocker blocks before jailer but on the other hand that's when they RB each other.
There's however the fact that hopeless was watching you and didn't see anyone (if he's not lying)...That means austin's roleblock didn't work. But what if...
On April 05 2014 06:22 Hopeless1der wrote:Not that its worth anything, but I can confirm that JJD and Austin's claim match my check:
This is a lie?
I think I need to think some more on you and hopeless.
REVOKE NUKE ON TP.
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This fucking supposed host mistake makes me angry. It's incredibly unfair if hopeless is scum lying, and it's unfair if the hosts don't announce they made a mistake.
I actually think hopeless is lying precisely because the hosts didn't confirm that they made a mistake to the thread. If they did it would be game changing information and they need to fix that. If we lose the game cause of this the hosts are to blame and I can shrub off responsibility for my following conclusions.
So I'll work on the premise that the hosts didn't make a mistake, and hopeless lied to cover up HIS mistake.
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Let's see. I jail austin, you protect austin, austin roleblocks you.
Hopeless sees austin roleblock kita.
That means that my jail didn't work on austin either cause of order of preference or cause I was roleblocked, order of preference usually only applies when jailer and roleblock target each other. Means I have been roleblocked.
Since you likely have been converted then scum can also have 2 roleblocks. SCUM HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST 1 ROLEBLOCKER WITH THOSE ROLES.
So the plan was this: Your roleblocker 1 roleblocks me, roleblocker 2 (kita) roleblocks Djo.
My jail on austin doesn't work for some reason. He roleblocks you however and Djo manages to invent the scumometer.
It also makes sense to roleblock me for fear that I might jail one of your targets.
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Targets changed to hopeless kita.
##Votenuke Kitascum
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On April 07 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Wait, so lets get this straight, the scum team is myself, kush, and hopeless.
"So the plan was this: Your roleblocker 1 roleblocks me, roleblocker 2 (kita) roleblocks Djo. "
So who is our mysterious roleblocker? Are you saying it was 4v4 yesterday? You just said 4v4 was unreasonable a few moments ago?
Hopeless can have additional powers he simply didn't claim.
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It's not exactly Ockham-proof but I don't care. If hosts fucked up with hopeless' PM's and don't tell it to the whole thread and only to him, then this game is invalid. Hence hopeless lied.
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On April 07 2014 11:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 11:00 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Wait, so lets get this straight, the scum team is myself, kush, and hopeless.
"So the plan was this: Your roleblocker 1 roleblocks me, roleblocker 2 (kita) roleblocks Djo. "
So who is our mysterious roleblocker? Are you saying it was 4v4 yesterday? You just said 4v4 was unreasonable a few moments ago? Hopeless can have additional powers he simply didn't claim. So he just decided to guess that nobody else visited austin hoping that he wouldn't get caught in a lie? Or are you saying he performed two actions at once?
Hopeless' "power" is a passive, not a power he has to choose to use.
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If he didn't say that nobody visited austin, this would have happened.
On April 05 2014 06:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 06:26 Amiko wrote:
I think the argument is:
Vivax has said he jailed Austin, which would mean that Austin did not visit Kita. Oh fuck didn't think of this. Okay, nuke clearance is back.
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On April 07 2014 11:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax can you explain what the "missing" night action is? or the "extra" one? or whatever you're talking about lol.
I think hopeless is perfectly capable of having extra powers since his watcher role works automatically. He latches onto rose and watches whoever she visits.
The host mistake probably isn't a mistake the hosts made, it's a mistake hopeless made.
Why did nobody roleblock Djo and stop him from inventing the scum-o-meter? Cause they roleblocked me, the remaining blue between hopeless and Djo. Roleblock Vivax and Djo, kill Djo. Hopeless is one of them anyway.
Since I was jailing austin and have been roleblocked, he managed to roleblock kita. Hopeless posted what he really saw in his PM, then realized that mistake could get him lynched, he backtracked.
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Kita it's irrelevant what you think of me cause I'm dying tonight and you know it. Tell me why you are not suspecting hopeless of being scum in light of the fact that it probably was his mistake and not the hosts
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This night is all about what happened there.
Amiko can choose between believing that hosts would be douchebags and not tell the thread about a mistake, or he can believe that hopeless lied.
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On April 07 2014 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
well i'm still lost
It's perfectly simple.
Hopeless got a wrong PM from the hosts and only he gets that feedback? GJ hosts, you influenced the game favouring a faction depending on hopeless' alignment.
Hopeless got the right PM but soon realized that the true claim will get him into danger? He lied to cover it up.
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On April 07 2014 11:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Good work Vivax, blame the hosts for not modconfirming me town. Totally their faults.
Telling the thread if they made a mistake with your PM doesn't modconfirm you jack. They can make that mistake no matter what your alignment is and your role was already confirmed to the thread cause you saw me and JJD visiting austin.
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Besides, by not telling the thread they already influenced the game.
You cannot not behave.
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1st axiom of communication btw
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On April 07 2014 11:41 kitaman27 wrote:
If I'm mafia, why am I a vet? Town doesn't even have any kp aside from the vet proof nuke. That would be completely worthless.
Converted N1.
Tell me this, kita.
Why have you been stalling with your roleclaim? Specifically you only claimed after everybody else already had claimed their actions.
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On April 07 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 11:38 Amiko wrote:
@Hopeless1der:
Can you think of situations where your role benefits town? I think there are some.
Can you think of situations where your role benefits mafia? I think there are some. My role, as claimed, is not useful to mafia.
That is not your only power. That's your passive. Your active power is a roleblock, possibly a conversion.
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Nice argument hopeless, you even put the caveat in there all on your own.
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On April 07 2014 11:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
You retards are implying I have more abilities than what I claimed. I dont have anything else. That is my role. I am a modified watcher and thats it. Obviously I shouldn't have taken the hosts at face value when they reported my check. I'm obviously to blame. Similarly, when it was corrected, I should have claimed scum instead of trying to provide the town with my corrected results.
You should have requested for their mistake to be made public cause it made you look worse and caused unnecessary confusion.
But you couldn't cause it was your mistake and not theirs.
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On April 07 2014 11:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
Well feel free to explain to me how my role, as claimed, benefits me if I am mafia.
You catch any blue that visits the same target as Rose.
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