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Amiko
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Amiko
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I don’t have much to say except I basically agree with kita’s comments here. Vivax seems to be ignoring or misrepresenting kita’s push on hopeless. I looked a little for context and kita’s portrayal seemed fair. Scum Post of the Century / Godfather Speculation I just don’t see this as such a scummy post kita. I mean, I see it like this- Austin raises concerns about kushm4sta because kush doesn’t seem to consider kita may be godfather. Kita raises concerns about vivax because vivax considers that kita may be godfather. Both of these arguments could be true, but I feel they could reflect either alignment. Why do you think it so super scummy for vivax? | ||
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Amiko
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##Vote: Kushm4sta | ||
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Amiko
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I can't see how town posts that. I have some ideas regarding scumpartners but I'd like to see whether kush is the original cybermaster or whether he was a convert. From his post I think he is claiming original. This is important because it can help explain why reads may have changed from night to night. | ||
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Amiko
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On April 07 2014 06:29 Tehpoofter wrote: Nice! The only is problem is this says nothing baout conversion in his role. So they did start with at least 2. Time to check out day 1 filter stuff for kush. I'm guessing the "Further information redacted" discusses conversion. Not sure though. | ||
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Amiko
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Amiko
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I want to at least go back through, though, since we now know kush is scum from d1 because On March 31 2014 08:37 Crossfire99 wrote: I'm back. Thanks to Xatalos for his great cohosting and picking up the slack while I was gone. Remind me of questions I didn't answer if I missed one. When someone changes alignment, they will know they changed alignment. When people die, they will flip their current role and alignment. They will also flip any previous role(s) and alignment(s) that they had, but you won't know when they changed role(s) and alignment(s). This hopefully will make the case on kita look stronger/weaker because we know it's possible kush converted kita, but not that kita converted kush. | ||
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Amiko
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I want to reread you before I go through kush so if I see things I want to ask you about I'll try to post it. | ||
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Amiko
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On April 07 2014 05:20 austinmcc wrote: Here's a neat open question, but would like to hear from poofter/thrawn/hopeless before others: If kush is mafia, do you belive he used the scumometer and received a result that kita is town? If not, what do you disbelieve? @Tehpoofter @Hopeless1der Since you voted earlier maybe you are around, would you answer this question? I would sort of like to answer but I don't want to answer before you. | ||
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Amiko
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If hopeless' claims is true: - Hopeless watches whoever Rose targets. - With Rose out of the game, Hopeless will watch a randomly selected person. - Hopeless does not know who he is watching. | ||
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Amiko
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- Roleblocked players do not make night visits, as far as we know. | ||
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Amiko
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- He does not see the DT's name in the list of people who he watched | ||
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Amiko
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Kita's suggestion is that it tells scum who has been DT checked. However, scum can only figure this out if they visited the checked person (and see their own name on the watch list). Hopeless argued that his role was useless. When I was a VT, I figured hey, at least he has some power. Now I'm really not too sure what his role can do. It might be effective if rose was converted (and still was "Rose" for the purpose of directing hopeless' watch). | ||
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Amiko
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On April 07 2014 07:45 Vivax wrote: Well he sees anyone who visits a guy together with rose, that's a guaranteed blue snipe every time it happens and when JJD pushes a guy he visited previously they can deduce he's cop. What imo is a strong indicator of kita being mafia is that scum shot Djo knowing that me and hopeless were both blue (if hope isn't scum), they would never take such a risk of not shooting a claimed blue without already KNOWING Djo was inventor, and inventor is clearly a much better role than a claimed JK or such a watcher. So this is sort of why I was saying kita claiming to have tracked Djo seems like a concern. If kita was converted, it makes sense that he'd tell scum who the inventor is and kill him, potentially driving him to kush as well. | ||
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Amiko
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On April 07 2014 07:48 Vivax wrote: The role isn't fake, the name can be. I mean that type of watcher could be a scum role although it is kinda weak. I'm kinda moving towards a kita/poofter scumteam as final solution. The argumet with Djo getting shot over other claimed blues is in my opinion very strong. I revisited D1 and feel less strongly about this read now. I had forgotten, but djo basically claimed blue in his first post and the post was pointed out by a few people as well. I think scum could conclude he was likely blue, even if they were not sure he was inventor. On March 31 2014 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: He just outright claims blue in his first real post... On March 31 2014 16:18 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah i thought about that. it's either that or if he's scum then every scum has a role | ||
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Amiko
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Also thrawn I meant to ask you about this before but I don't think I did On March 31 2014 16:53 thrawn2112 wrote: btw guys next person i vote for is in for a surprise so don't be scummy did this mean anything in particular? | ||
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Amiko
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Vivax Tonight & More Conversion Speculation I'm not positive you will die tonight Vivax. If the odd night conversion/even night kill theory (that I think you suggested) is accurate, we may not see any KP tonight (besides that of my armed nuclear warhead) and have to try to figure out conversions. My only hesitation with nuking among the claimed VTs is that I think it's possible they will also "power up" into blue roles. Pretend for a moment that scum can convert every night. To account for an ever-expanding amount of scum, town has to have more than 1 KP/day (via lynch). We know kush was scum, so his KP couldn't help town. KP could be created by Djo as inventor, but it is only a semi-KP role. I have become a KP role, but it's just a one-shot. Therefore, even with the high number of blue roles, I think that conversion must be not be something scum can do every night. (If they can, then I think we auto-lose unless a town role gets KP tomorrow). Anyway, that doesn't lead anywhere in particular, but I do think it's reasonable to imagine other VTs might get weaponry like an anti-cyber gun or nuke or whatever. Hopeless Retraction @Vivax: I want to win and all, but the game is not invalid based on hopeless claiming host error. When he said something before we didn't know if it was true, and when changed what he said we don't know if that was true. Imo, the game will only be invalid if the hosts confirm he is telling the truth or not. I don't think the argument that he is relying on host error is going to sway me (or that it should sway me). ...unless austin tells me it should. #birdgod I'll take another look at your posts because parts were confusing, but I think I understand your argument and don't agree with it Nuking I want to make this decision but I'd like to hear from austin cause I think everyone reads him as most town. | ||
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Amiko
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Can you think of situations where your role benefits town? I think there are some. Can you think of situations where your role benefits mafia? I think there are some. | ||
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