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On March 21 2014 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I checked Vivax' games from the database. When he is lynched as town he fights to the end. When he is mafia he quits.
mebbe he is hitler
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now i'm even more convinced of my tehpoofter town read
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did any of the vivax voters start doubting that vivax was mafia when he made his angry posts? i didn't, in fact they made me feel even better about the lynch. I am asking because djo's reaction to them seems implausible
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VE you mean unvoted vivax?
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VE that's the worst reason to call me mafia, especially since much of my filter is very townie and the flip makes me look even townier. maybe i should sheep my early PE list that everyone gave me so much shit for
On March 20 2014 02:14 thrawn2112 wrote: i'd probably lynch out of this group right now
4. djodref 6. VisceraEyes 8. Vivax 15. Alakaslam
cept alakslam, probably
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On March 21 2014 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Roleblocker is an important role. Unvoting to gauge thread sentiment and immediately revoting is certainly viable if you're scum. Just calm down and wait until I read your interactions before you start tunneling plz.
you've dropped my name as potential scum a few times before this, so you MUST have some reasons why you think I'm mafia. reasons that aren't about the voting thing.
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vivax didn't randomly throw thrawn's in there, he'd been talking about him for almost all of his filter. it sorta looked like he was building up to push for thrawn's lynch, but then halfway through D1 thrawn got his shit together and became obviously townie. vivax had to let go of his semi push on thrawn after thrawn successfully answered vivax's questions about dp/hf. so once thrawn was no longer a viable scum read for vivax, he switched to tehpoofter.
which means thrawn/tehpoofter are probably town
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On March 21 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a problem because there is some scum(mers) hiding somewhere and i don't know where. I refuse to believe both of Djodref and GT are mafia because it does not make any sense. And even if they are there is still at least one scum somewhere and i don't know where.
plz halp guis!
why aren't you allowed to call ve mafia
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hf are you talking about something related to DP with those thrawn quotes?
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did anyone in this game play mario mini, as town?
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On March 21 2014 11:37 DarthPunk wrote:And I caught djo so if it is related to him I am the expert 
do you remember the mostly useless thing he did there instead of real scumhunting?
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On March 21 2014 11:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: DarthPunk did you not find any Djodref's posts during the end of D1 interesting?
I am reading his posts now. Slow reader remember. I actually liked Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 06:54 Djodref wrote:On March 21 2014 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Djodref and giggletummy.
What mislynches mafia tried to push throughout D1 and why? Actually you came up with Vivax quite late in the day and I don't feel like the mafia could have time to react to it at all and proposed a counter-push. Vivax has been thrown down under the bus hardcore I think, the votecount corroborates it. I don't feel like mafia tried to disrupt the thread that much actually... Please assume that GT and I are both town for one moment, like two townies playing so bad that they end up like the serious potential mislynches for day1, without any help from the mafia or really little help. I think in that case mafia don't feel like they need to do anything and don't try to push anybody. Maybe they add some fuel to the GT's wagon. I still have some doubts about Oats but I don't feel like I was pushed by mafia at all, and in this assumption it means that mafia didn't need to. In this case, mafia was safe for most of D1 and didn't need to do anything. Please assume now that I'm town and that GT is scum. In this case, I think that mafia is bussing GT and is trying to get towncredit for his lynch, and they don't try to push my lynch over his at all. Meaning mafia players are players with enough towncredit and balls to choose the risky strategy to bus a liability D1. But Vivax giving up on GT doesn't make sense in this case. So from my point of view, the first assumption is more likely to be true than the second one. I really would like some feedback on this idea, because I feel like a lot of people have either GT or me pinned as scum, or both of us, while it may very be the case where we are both shit town players. This post. It shows he is thinking about the game and like the mindset he has while writing this doesn't seem like a natural train of thought for mafia to fake.
i was going to say that this post and the ones that followed are like what he did in mario, talking about weird theories instead of doing real scumhunting
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hopelss IS town though. i'd think that would be obvious
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On March 21 2014 12:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 12:50 thrawn2112 wrote: hopelss IS town though. i'd think that would be obvious why is that?
mainly because he's been pretty harmless and has tried to cooperate in his own hopeless1der kind of way. the way he sheeps looks a lot more like town sheeping than scum sheeping
but my own subjective reasoning is that during that conversation where vivax and I argued about reads, he tried to convince me hopeless was mafia. the arguments he brought up didn't even make me me reconsider my read, and if hopeless is mafia, then vivax WOULD have been able to at least make me doubt hopeless's alignment, because vivax would know exactly why hopeless was mafia.
same reason tehpoofter is town. (not just because of the timing of vivax's thrawn push and tehpoofter push) vivax's case for a scum tehpoofter was extremely weak, and if he was bussing it wouldn't have been extremly weak because vivax would have had the extra information needed to know why tehpoofter was mafia. his hopeless and tehpoofter cases were shitty cases because they were cases made by mafia about townies.
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On March 21 2014 13:03 Holyflare wrote: so what do you think of slam thrawn?
I dont
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holyflare do you know what the difference is between my arguing with vivax and your argunig with vivax?
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On March 21 2014 13:29 thrawn2112 wrote: holyflare do you know what the difference is between my arguing with vivax and your argunig with vivax?
i will answer
both of us had made noise about vivax maybe being scum. i had picked him through PoE, you had said some stuff about some of his posts. i dont remember what your read was prior to that convo but at least the seeds were there for you to be able to see vivax as mafia
so the two of us argue with him. i argue about why his hopeless/tehpoofter reads sucked, you chimed in about his tehpoofter reads. he became really defensive and snapped at both of us, when neither of us were being agro at all. I did let on that I thought he was mafia, but I defineitely was not interrogating him or anything like that. in fact he was probably driving the conversation
so thrawn is part of this interaction and walks away with the conclusion of:
On March 20 2014 13:06 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't know vivax. I still think tehpoofter is town and it's making me think you're pushing lynchbait, especially now since it's pretty obvious that you're not going to be able to tunnel me anymore.
On March 20 2014 13:23 thrawn2112 wrote: if you think my implied undertone of "vivax is mafia" throughout this conversation is antagonistic then you probably ARE mafia for being so defensive about it
holyflare is part of this interaction and walks away with the conclusion of:
On March 20 2014 15:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 15:43 Tehpoofter wrote: @HF Do you know vivax and DP play? Is tunneling this poorly on a town indicative of either's alignment? Like I read DP as town from his filter even though hes wrong. Vivax in my opinion could have jumped on the Rayn thing if he was mafia I basically set him up for early but maybe it was super obvious idk. So I actually read them both as town but to me their case is like way too much harping on a little bit of phrasing so just want to see what you think about if this is alignment indicative of either of them. Dp is scum and if you read his filter you'd know it. He even just tried to give you an out "if you are town prove it" despite previously calling you 100% scum, a liar that is scum etc etc. Vivax.. Idk he's asking for your reads so meh
you dont mention anything about this wierd interaction with vivax you just had and you go on to tunnel dp. then later you protest the vivax lynch by attacking the points against vivax while never actually saying you think vivax is town. bascially you don't give a shit about actually trying to figure out vivax's alignment.
you see why I think that's a bit odd?
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On March 21 2014 13:46 Holyflare wrote: yes thrawn but there's 1 simple answer, i didn't read any of his case and i didn't draw any conclusions from it because i didn't care at the time i was writing the dp case (as you can see the next page) i was just responding in real time to his random points
exactly. you didn't give a shit about tying to help us figure out vivax's alignment.
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