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On March 20 2014 18:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 17:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
All this tunneling going on. lol Reading HF's wall of text now. well? surely you have an opinion after reading it. I know it is difficult to understand but still...
I just spent 10 minutes trying to quote that and its annoying but his point about how you didnt question me is bullshit. Hf I can link it but DP asked me several times about my read and that was like his main frustration at the start so i disagree with you HF on that point and I think your overall case is meh at best. I would stop tunneling DP at least for today. I feel like hes actually trying to figure out the game in his posts he seems town to me hes wrong on some things including me but he is looking and is active if hes mafia hes going to become more apparent because he will have to reach more as the days go on.
So you two should kiss and make up for today and lets find some real scum.
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On March 20 2014 18:36 Holyflare wrote:
Poofter wtf are you saying he made a case on you and then questioned you. At least say what's meh about it instead of generalisations
He questioned me before the case.... that was what I was getting at. I think you're wrong on him being mafia. Sorry I was trying to quote it but its super long. Basically I feel like hes trying to figure out the game he is pushing in weird directions but I think pushing hard is more town than mafia. If hes mafia hes sticking his neck out REALLY far on the wrong people that are going to flip town.... would suck to get caught like that on day 1. Day 1 scum IMO are people not pushing super hard. Cases like yours HF I think are better suited for day 2-3.
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As far as scum is concerned I'm going to bw here onto GT I think his content early was just enough to skate by I see a link between him and Hopeless but Hopeless isnt getting votes and I dont want towns votes to be spread then and get hammered by mafia at the end of the day.
##Vote GT paint photo to come
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Just fyi I have my vote for Hopeless on the ready I feel both are good flips and likely to be mafia.
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Well I skipped ahead to the end as just saw we killed a mafia good job team!!! Going to find out wtf happened while I was asleep did vivax actually like just come out as scum?
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Glad I contributed a lot to the lynch. Good job boys. I honestly didn't think rayn's thing was a big maf tell but now I know!
The lynch did bring me to this conclusion though. I think that Rayn Koshi are obviously town
--Rayn for me is clear the rest of the game for that if he bussed his own partner that hard he deserves the win so gg.
--Koshi bringing it up originally and his reaction to the lynch seemed very town as well.
---Oats comes out from a neutral point to a town point after the lynch for how he pushed it along and brought up the 95%/5% logic to HF. Basically saying hey this is an almost sure thing more of the time so we should roll with it on day 1. I think this put him at the number 3 spot in my town circle.
VE for me is a weird spot because his timing of showing up is really odd almost like how i felt in my first ever game where I was getting lynched and read the scum QT first and they were like "omfg you need to talk" and I forced myself to pop in and say something. To me the things that VE has said seem townie but the timing of them in the thread seems weird. Like his whole bit about how hes not convinced and if something changes hes going to stay on GT if he was scum and knew Vivax would flip scum doesn't just going "wow this guy is scum I'm with you!" seem more mafia? The only thing that gets me is when he showed up to the thread so he drops off from townie to neutral because of timing alone.
I'm about to go to dinner and look into the thread a bit more to get into where we should lynch. I'm also going to draw another vin Diagram even though you guys called it scummy last time I like the way it represents my reads vs a straight town/maf list.
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EBWOP: What I mean by "Rayn's thing" was rayns accusation oh him saying it was page 40 initially after he further explained it I definitely saw the scumminess but at first was lost. The pictures in this case totally helped me lol.
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On March 21 2014 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Why do i have a carrot? 
Carrots are good for you.... and my art skills are abysmal.
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This is where I'm at.
GT - Vivax was bringing a case on me when GT was being the main focus atm and scum needed to get the ball rolling on something else in town so he didn't get mislynched.... its entirely possible its GT and DJO and they didn't push on DJO for that reason alone so vivax had to do something so he went on me to get off GT. I'm having a hard time figuring out why he(Vivax) wouldn't just hope on GT or DJO lynches if they're town. Might as well just ride the wave and blame the people who started the mislynch as scum.
DJO- I covered it above but to a lesser extent I would lynch either of these two tomorrow. Maybe Vivax was just trying to be the hipster that started a new case before it was cool and knew GT would be a misslynch if hes town.... if thats the case I think that DJO is mafia here because Vivax's actions lead me to believe that.
I think we can actually garner a lot of information from the way DAY1 played out because Vivax was no really on towns mind until Rayn/Koshi decided to do some digging and wrecked him out of no where and plan Mafia might have formulated wouldn't have been able to handle Vivax suddenly flipping scum they had no time to hide their actions or anything. I'm going Occum's Razor until proven otherwise.
The none scum reads below as they're not as important as who i want to lynch.
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Just saw the flips. Vigi is a boss.
2 more to go.... At work so trying to read and formulate a case but might get sidetrack with pesky customers.
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On March 22 2014 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, poofter is looking odd to me.
In this post he states that he didn't think rayn's thing was that big a mafia tell...I'm assuming as explanation of why his vote wasn't on Vivax. If that's the case, then why didn't he state as much at the time? I mean if he's townreading Vivax, why not say as much in the thread in his defense? I mean if he's not here that's one thing - but that's not what his post says, his POST says that he didn't think it was that big of a mafia tell. Sooooooooo....why not say as much?
In the drawing in the same post you see me sleeping cause I was asleep the whole time the vivax accusation went down I woke up and read it all I was trying to say that I didnt realize that was a big scum tell in forum mafia when I was first reading it. I'm going to play the "wow i should have realized that was scummy I'm an idiot for not seeing it card" that make more sense VE? I was asleep when it happened.
As far as scum hunting is concerned. Based on the meta of voting I'm going to say that DJO could definitely be scum here because GT was getting a lot of heat and the next most likely case is on him so stands to reason Vivax not knowing hes about to get slammed by rayn would push a lynch on a town to avoid the GT lynch... he chose me over DJO. He would do this in my mind for 1 of 2 reasons:
1) He thinks he can make a stronger case on me than he could a town DJO so hes pushing my mislynch probably because I'm a new player to forum so he thinks I might just crumble or defend poorly or something.
2.) He is scum partners with both GT and DJO and needs to get another lynch train rolling before it comes to the end and its hammer Scum teammate A or Scum teammate B.
I'm leaning towards option 2. One of the main reasons for that is the thing where DJO claims to be just DJO and is totally okay with the Vigi shot...If that happened in video mafia its like 70/30 a scum saying that to get by an extra day. He also might be knowing that GT is the other likely shot and if he is the Vanilla Mafia he would 100% rather take a bullet than have his Godfather in GT get shot cause that could be potentially an out for mafia after a not so stellar day 1.
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General question to all how is martyring like what DJO tried to do last night typically handled? how does the flip go in forum mafia? I'm not sure on the meta so it could be very different than what I'm accustomed to.
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@Koshi thanks
@DJO What do you think maf was trying to accomplish last night with a HF kill?
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On March 22 2014 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
You have 0 valid points djo. None. Why doesnt everyone think he is scum?
I wouldn't say 0 valid points I skimmed it here when I get off work I'm going to look more closely at it and I'll quote the parts I remember agreeing with a bit. Don't get me wrong I still think hes scum by association atm just saying.
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On March 22 2014 07:40 Djodref wrote:And last but not least, there are many occurrences of Oats defending GT in the second page of his filter.Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 08:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
skip the rest, not important.
I feel that giggle has defended himself pretty decently though after you guys put him under a lotta pressure.
Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 21:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 20 2014 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town?
Do YOU think holyflare is right? I dont like that you dont want to lynch Djo and you keep repeating the same thing about GT. Some of his case was ok and made sense. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually I think GT is town never mind. He fufilled his promise of writing a case, his posts are casual and lighthearted and he seems to be working towards something.
@Oats This was the one point of DJO's case I agreed with Oats I was referring to. Knowing GT's alignment it does look a bit off for you to defend him in this kinda way but overall the case isn't good enough for me to call you scum at all. I still have you as town if you look in my latest paint just below Rayn and Koshi. This is something that shouldn't be looked at today and DJO looks far scummier.
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On March 22 2014 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think anyone else is scum besides poof mainly.
Poof mightve killed holyflare because of the video mafia connection. Also his terrible opening. And now he says ive done scummy stuff but is not really scun
I've played with HF once maybe twice on video mafia I've played with VE the most and Rayn 2nd most. I never said you did scummy things I just said there was one part of DJO's case I agreed with was scummy but I think overall you've been far more townie. I stated earlier why I thought DJO was scum sometimes scum do point out scummy thing in others though I think thats perfectly reasonable.
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On March 22 2014 14:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh if thats what you think its scummy you better have a reason beyond he flipped scum.
Ok I guess the hf kill is totally unexplainable then
I think there is a good explanation of why he was killed.
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@rayn Why did scum not just push off GT into the DJO lynch if hes town? Why did vivax try to push on me instead?
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interesting can you do a better case than DJO on Oats cause I read his case and only like the one part I linked to Oats. I felt Oats came out of yesterday looking more town.
I mean is your biggest thing the vigi thing? I understand cause vigi shot right we have a bunch of ML but I dont feel like that alone is enough to think someones mafia.
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On March 22 2014 15:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also VE is really really town now.
I will agree to that I think his night phase was quite townie.
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