EPTUnless you have some superduper evidence that TehPoofter and hopeless are not scum and are willing to present it, then you can gently fuck off instead of saying "BUT IT COULD BE TOWN" 100 times. What you're doing is in no way productive, it only tries to discredit and keep doubt up.
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Unless you have some superduper evidence that TehPoofter and hopeless are not scum and are willing to present it, then you can gently fuck off instead of saying "BUT IT COULD BE TOWN" 100 times. What you're doing is in no way productive, it only tries to discredit and keep doubt up. | ||
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On March 20 2014 13:14 Holyflare wrote: uh vivax you can think someone is town because they did something that you didn't do, what's the problem with that? And the other point, and the other one? | ||
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On March 20 2014 13:18 thrawn2112 wrote: OK so X is talking about Coag vs Rayn right? OK so here is my interpretation of that. tehpoofter is not claiming that townies won't talk about coag vs rayn. His statement "Suffice it to say I was reading HF town because he wasnt talking about Rayn Coag in the first 3 hours" is related to his statement about "reading between lines," the last of which he later admitted to being a terrible miscomminication. HF "reading between the lines" means that holyflare was interested in things other than the "lines," or "the main issue in the thread." So he townread holyflare not because townies don't talk about rayn vs coag, but because HF showing interest in more than just the thread's main issue is townie. Here is my interpretation of that townread on HF, which is also a big message to you to go read the fucking thread. On March 19 2014 08:30 Holyflare wrote: This question is also relevant to 3/4 of the thread you know. I read that coag post completely differently though. What is interesting to see is how it was pointed out that dp being overdefensive was scummy (by coag) but then they completely went over the overdefensive line in response to you. | ||
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On March 20 2014 13:32 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't think you even tried to understand my post. What tehpoofter meant: "not talkng about rayn vs coag" = "reading betwen the lines" = "being interested in things other than the main topic" = "townie" Riddle me this, how does HF making a case on DP constitute "reading between the lines" when it happened BEFORE the rayn Coag shit happened? | ||
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On March 20 2014 13:52 Holyflare wrote: isn't he referencing the part where I point out palmar and dp? Maybe you should ask him, or compare the timestamps. Figure out if he's scum and shit, I thought that's what were here for, not defending people for bad reasons. You chose to dismiss my arguments without even knowing for sure who he was talking about? DP is here, you promised to tell us why he's scum. Proceed please. | ||
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On March 20 2014 13:57 thrawn2112 wrote: Look vivax. Here is holy flare doing something other than talk about coag during the rayn/coag stuff. This is what tehpoofter meant by "reading between the lines." He specifically said "IN THE FIRST THREE HOURS OF THE GAME". That post is later. GOD. | ||
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On March 20 2014 14:03 Holyflare wrote: I always use random hours to say what i'm saying "in like the first 5 hours of the game" could mean in the first 7 hours, it's not a massive point, I was asking you about a specific point you raised as to why it makes him scum because it didn't You mean you nitpicked a part of my case that you felt was easy to discredit? Do I have to assume that you found the other points good since you didn't comment on them? Ie him saying he didn't read GT cause he promised reasoning, not wondering why he would post so little in a range of roughly 1 h? Ie him agreeing with your case, then telling his scumread(?) to back off from him, then asking you if you think that a specific bit would come from a scum DP? | ||
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Moral of the story: Don't take away pressure from my scumread unless you have a damn good reason to, which you don't seem to have. Scum-or-dumb-points to both of you. | ||
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Reading your filter I also noticed you tried to paint me as scummy for the way I replied to Koshi based on shitty meta. What was the point of all that since apparently you aren't pushing me as your scumread? | ||
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On March 20 2014 14:45 Tehpoofter wrote: @Vivax so is my thing with HF and DP so scummy in my wording one phrase wrong thats worse than what GT/hopeless have done? I mean you voted for me so I assume so. Do you think that I'm scum and they aren't? IF so can I hear your town case on GT/hopeless cause those are the two I'm looking at today for my vote. Answer my questions please, else I won't know what you meant for real in that post. Did you find HF's case good, hence thought DP was scum at the point? If yes, why did you tell DP to get off of you instead of being inquisitive/suspicious towards him? I would expect a townie to not ask his scumread to get off of him cause he would figure that he was being attacked out of malicious intent. Giggletummy posted paint pictures and asked small questions to HF without getting to the core of his beef within 1 hour. That was also my beef with him until I saw his huge case post today. Regarding that, I need to know whether you agree with the point GT brought up here: However, the hopeless bit here is poop soup. In response to hopeless not jumping to vote DP and noting that Flare bussed a teammates in Cultured, Flare argues that hopeless is also mafia because, essentially, if Flare was town he's had good reads in the past and therefore must be right on DP, and if Flare is scum then he's got to be bussing DP. Either way, DP is scum, and so Hopeless should be agreeing with Flare, or at least voting DP - it's a good read or a bus. The poop soupy part is that this statement is based on that idea that bussing one guy in one game = always bus never not bus. I have never seen anyone do that. Seriously look at this. Flare calls hopeless mafia based on reasoning that says "you said I bussed a guy one time, therefore you should be thinking I always and only bus teammates, and so my target has to be scum." Do you think that saying : "Hey let's lynch this guy cause I say it and I'm always right cause I'm right as town and bus as scum" is a good reason to push a wagon? Main reasoning about GT being scum in your filter is this: So I think that after reading both cases I think GT is more scummy because HF to me seemed more town when the case was made than rayn did when DJo made his week one. Which both cases? Which case? Are you basing your scumread on the fact that you disagree with the case? Can you say what exactly you found good about VE's case? | ||
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On March 20 2014 15:18 Holyflare wrote: Do people not read it as "i liked that hf made a case" not that he likes the case and thinks dp is scum? DP seems to discredit this as being a shit read but if it was shitty I'm buying the shit at least for now so sign me up!!! This part in that post makes me pretty sure he actually agreed with the content of your case, which is backed up by this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/j4yik5X.png) | ||
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I want to see how he explains that it's townie to not talk about an issue that gives you a scumread on somebody. | ||
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On March 20 2014 15:37 Tehpoofter wrote: Its townie to talk about more than just that especially early in day 1. Its townie to know that just 1 person being mafia isnt enough and forming other circles is good. Even though you may have a good read on one mafia doesn't mean you should tunnel it and in the diagram I wasn't liking Coag but he wasn't even my biggest scum read... I didn't have heavy scum reads the biggest one was on VE because he just hadnt talked and I wanted to read him. Let's put you into the offensive for a moment since that's what you said you wanted, who do you think is mafia and why should we lynch them? | ||
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On March 20 2014 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax said his scumreads were Hopeless/GT/thrawn and promised cases later. He made cases on Hopeless and thrawn. I asked him why no case on GT? He said GT had said good things after he left. I called that bullshit because GT had not posted after Vivax left. Vivax said when he made the post he had not been caught up and he was on page 40 when he wrote the original post where he called GT/Hopeless/thrawn mafia. The evidence he points out for thrawn/Hopeless being mafia starts after page 40. Therefore he can't possibly have thought they are scum for it because he has not read those pages. I did read certain filters Rayn, especially thrawn after he +1d with his poop paint picture, and I already said why I was suspicious of hopeless previously. GT followed up with a post with content at page 60, so my reasons for thinking he was scum for the way he was not contributing didn't stand on their own any more. Seriously this wagon is bullshit and is sure to net us most if not all of scum. If there's anyone having genuine doubt about what happened there then ask me anything about it and don't blindly sheep Rayn based on a representation that isn't correct. | ||
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It's this simple: I come home tired, I don't feel like reading much, I wanna sleep. Hopeless looked scummy to me at the start of the game for the way he was all serious about HF's points in the trolly stage. Reason made before page 40. Check. I see thrawn jumping on Coag with a poop paint picture after not posting much. Reading his filter cause I was suspicious of that I see he started posting a lot more after Coag confirmed himself as town. Yes I saw more of the game in tiny bits while reading his filter. I see Giggletummy posting more paint, complaining about spam and saying some nothing-saying stuff about HF. I think this dude could be scum. At that point I feel I have enough, turn off the computer and go to sleep, at that point I was at page 40ish. No, I didn't just read that but I also read some filters, but not all filters. In fact I still didn't read most of the game cause no time. So I come back next day, look at GT and actually notice he did follow up with a pretty huge post. I start posting about other stuff. You ask me why I didn't comment on him. I reply it's cause I didn't read his post made at page 60ish. I left the game before going to sleep in the belief that the bad stuff was all he posted at that point. Yes, I was too lazy and tired to read everything, and I made it clear. This is all I have to say in my defense regarding what you people are calling a scumslip. Now off to look at Poofters followup. | ||
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