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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 21:11 GMT
#2382
Actually this stuff might be against the rule. I think it should be fair to find out in which phase the shot was made but the exact timing probably shouldn't be revealed. It should be discernable if someone was shot by a dayvig or a vig if it was close, but we shouldn't be able to confirm him based on the exact timing thing. I think it's fair if Xatalos tells us if he was told just before or just after but we probably shouldn't go further than that.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 21:30 GMT
#2384
Yeah, that's what I said in the post.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 21:37 GMT
#2387
Boo hiss.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 21:39 GMT
#2389
Whatever, prplhz is town anyway.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 21:43 GMT
#2391
On March 10 2014 06:41 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 04:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway if it isn't LSB then this game is really dumb.
LSB's confidence could also come from the DT ability turning into a framing ability for scum and being able to frame himself to look as town so he'd be confirmed town. And he could be allowed to use two abilities. Would be a pretty OP role then but those kinda roles are all we're potentially left with anyway, and JOAT makes the most sense for it.


I doubt it'd be two powers at the same time. It's possible that it was just a risk he took. Actually if I redchecked him he'd be screwed anyway, so why not?

He could've busdriven himself with marv, let gum die and have you "greencheck" him.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 21:46 GMT
#2393
Stay awhile if you can, I need to discuss this.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 21:47 GMT
#2395
On March 10 2014 06:46 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 06:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 06:41 Xatalos wrote:
On March 10 2014 04:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway if it isn't LSB then this game is really dumb.
LSB's confidence could also come from the DT ability turning into a framing ability for scum and being able to frame himself to look as town so he'd be confirmed town. And he could be allowed to use two abilities. Would be a pretty OP role then but those kinda roles are all we're potentially left with anyway, and JOAT makes the most sense for it.


I doubt it'd be two powers at the same time. It's possible that it was just a risk he took. Actually if I redchecked him he'd be screwed anyway, so why not?

He could've busdriven himself with marv, let gum die and have you "greencheck" him.


Then gumshoe would be dead now and marv would be alive?

Yeah, and he would be confirmed town because you got a greencheck on him. Why wouldn't he do that?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 21:52 GMT
#2397
On March 10 2014 06:50 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm. I'd say killing marv instead of gumshoe is a pretty big plus. Also I didn't really give the impression that I was going to check LSB from my thread presence... Maybe he felt like he had to take a risk?

But we told the DT's to check each other, I'd imagine he'd find it likely that he'd be checked. And getting ticked off as confirmed town after a gf flip as well as nothing funky happening with nk's so no one is surprised that gumshoe flips would be pretty good for him. I'd imagine it's worth the tradeoff with not shooting Marv.
I have the feeling we're missing an option here, or a night action being different than we think. The bus driver theory alone doesn't cut it for me.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 21:54 GMT
#2399
Hmmm. Still, there was a clear call for people to organize their actions, but you could be right.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:00 GMT
#2402
Whatever, LSB and Gumshoe are the scummiest players. Let's forget about night actions and just kill them.
If we forget about night actions altogether perhaps we should think about Palmar and Oats again but fuck that.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:02 GMT
#2405
On March 10 2014 07:02 Palmar wrote:
Isn't oats confirmed by xatalos?

Yeah a green check, that's why I said if we ignore night actions because everything is fucked.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:05 GMT
#2408
On March 10 2014 07:04 Palmar wrote:
This isn't a bastard host game.

The simplest explanation is that there's a bus driver. There are no bus drivers in any of the roles mentioned. And that's just the simplest explanation.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:06 GMT
#2410
On March 10 2014 07:06 Xatalos wrote:
Here are the things that confirm Oats:

1) A greencheck while having no role (no way to be immune to a check)
2) marv dying through weird night actions (no way for Oats to kill him)

I *guess* there's a very small chance that Oats's role became something else because of him being scum. A VERY small chance. But then his role would need to be 1) immune to Cop checks 2) able to kill through protection / bus drive. It's just unlikely.

I agree it's incredibly unlikely but every combination I come up with seems so unlikely, that's why I said IF WE IGNORE NIGHT ACTIONS.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:20 GMT
#2412
Let's try to make sense of the night actions.
Palmar shot Austin. Presumably Austin's role didn't go through.
Hopeless shot (and failed?) Gumshoe
LSB checked Xatalos, green.
Xatalos checked Oatsmaster, green.
I jailed Marv.
Presumably, Rayn healed me.
Marv roleblocked ???

Is it possible that Marv roleblocked Hopeless because he didn't trust him? Could that be why Gumshoe didn't die?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:25 GMT
#2414
Marv said he explicitly wanted Hopeless to shoot Gumshoe though, probably wouldn't have done that if he was planning on rbing him.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:27 GMT
#2416
But if it wasn't Hopeless then his RB couldn't affect the outcome other than being killed by a PGO. The only one who would make sense as a PGO is gumshoe but there's no reason for him to rb gumshoe as veteran takes precedence over a rb. Then again, there wasn't really a reason to rb anyone.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:32 GMT
#2419
On March 08 2014 01:30 geript wrote:
austinmcc the Mafia Rolecop is dead

Role Cop -
Show nested quote +
Once during each night phase, you may PM the host to select one player by sending ##Arrest: Player Name. You will be PM'd the following day phase what the player's Role name is (e.g. Detective or Jailkeeper). If you are investigated by the Detective, that investigation will return as Town-aligned regardless of your actual alignment. If you are roleblocked by the Roleblocker, JoAT (Roleblocker) or Jailkeeper on the same night you are investigated, then the investigation by the Detective will return your actual alignment.

Something like this could be the reason for Marv choosing his rb target. Who would he most likely think he could stop if mafia with such a block though?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:37 GMT
#2420
He trusted me and rayn so he wouldn't rb us.
He seemed pretty trusting of Xatalos too so that seems unlikely.
Oats didn't have a role. It seems reasonable to presume scum would also only be able to choose a role if there was one left.
Hopeless was acting upon his orders
Austin flipped red so there was no reason to suspect LSB
Prplhz didn't have a night action and Palmar already shot scum
Leaves Gumshoe. He was already getting shot so it seems very possible Marv would rb him. If Gumshoe was indeed the PGO vet, why wouldn't Hopeless die then though? And why didn't Gumshoe die of two shots?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:39 GMT
#2421
If Gumshoe is PGO vet with 3 night lives it's possible, but that seems excessive.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 09 2014 22:43 GMT
#2423
Gumshoe is the only realistic target as Palmar already fired and prplhz is a dayvig so he has no night action, plus I don't think he suspected prplhz. If Marv rbed, it was on Gumshoe, and given how he wanted the role and how Austin's flip showed that roleblocks can have significant effects I would be surprised if he didn't try to rb him.
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