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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:00 GMT
#2401
I guess one weird possibility is that gumshoe became a PGO and marv RB'd him for some reason and then he died because of the PGO effect. It seems unlikely that a PGO would survive 2 KP as well though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 22:00 GMT
#2402
Whatever, LSB and Gumshoe are the scummiest players. Let's forget about night actions and just kill them.
If we forget about night actions altogether perhaps we should think about Palmar and Oats again but fuck that.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:01 GMT
#2403
Oats is confirmed town though. And Palmar killed austin. I guess there's a small chance that Palmar did that just to gain cred but it simply cannot be Oats.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 09 2014 22:02 GMT
#2404
Isn't oats confirmed by xatalos?
Computer says mafia
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 22:02 GMT
#2405
On March 10 2014 07:02 Palmar wrote:
Isn't oats confirmed by xatalos?

Yeah a green check, that's why I said if we ignore night actions because everything is fucked.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 09 2014 22:04 GMT
#2406
This isn't a bastard host game.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 09 2014 22:04 GMT
#2407
LSB/prplhz/gumshoe/artanis are the people that aren't confirmed-ish.

Computer says mafia
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 22:05 GMT
#2408
On March 10 2014 07:04 Palmar wrote:
This isn't a bastard host game.

The simplest explanation is that there's a bus driver. There are no bus drivers in any of the roles mentioned. And that's just the simplest explanation.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:06 GMT
#2409
Here are the things that confirm Oats:

1) A greencheck while having no role (no way to be immune to a check)
2) marv dying through weird night actions (no way for Oats to kill him)

I *guess* there's a very small chance that Oats's role became something else because of him being scum. A VERY small chance. But then his role would need to be 1) immune to Cop checks 2) able to kill through protection / bus drive. It's just unlikely.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 22:06 GMT
#2410
On March 10 2014 07:06 Xatalos wrote:
Here are the things that confirm Oats:

1) A greencheck while having no role (no way to be immune to a check)
2) marv dying through weird night actions (no way for Oats to kill him)

I *guess* there's a very small chance that Oats's role became something else because of him being scum. A VERY small chance. But then his role would need to be 1) immune to Cop checks 2) able to kill through protection / bus drive. It's just unlikely.

I agree it's incredibly unlikely but every combination I come up with seems so unlikely, that's why I said IF WE IGNORE NIGHT ACTIONS.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:12 GMT
#2411
It's too bad yamato and austin were so useless that there's really no way to make connection theories. Although here are a couple of things I thought about:

1) Pretty much the only "contribution" from yamato was to throw dirt at Palmar. This makes Palmar more likely town.
2) The only thing austin did was to hard defend LSB. It's weird no matter how you look at it. I can't fathom his thought process there for now. WIFOM regarding a scummate? Maybe.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 22:20 GMT
#2412
Let's try to make sense of the night actions.
Palmar shot Austin. Presumably Austin's role didn't go through.
Hopeless shot (and failed?) Gumshoe
LSB checked Xatalos, green.
Xatalos checked Oatsmaster, green.
I jailed Marv.
Presumably, Rayn healed me.
Marv roleblocked ???

Is it possible that Marv roleblocked Hopeless because he didn't trust him? Could that be why Gumshoe didn't die?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:24 GMT
#2413
I don't think so. marv would love to see Hopeless claim scum by doing something unexpected. Although I guess it's not totally impossible.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 22:25 GMT
#2414
Marv said he explicitly wanted Hopeless to shoot Gumshoe though, probably wouldn't have done that if he was planning on rbing him.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:25 GMT
#2415
On March 10 2014 07:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Marv said he explicitly wanted Hopeless to shoot Gumshoe though, probably wouldn't have done that if he was planning on rbing him.


Exactly.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 22:27 GMT
#2416
But if it wasn't Hopeless then his RB couldn't affect the outcome other than being killed by a PGO. The only one who would make sense as a PGO is gumshoe but there's no reason for him to rb gumshoe as veteran takes precedence over a rb. Then again, there wasn't really a reason to rb anyone.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:30 GMT
#2417
I still have a nagging doubt that something like this happened:

1) Hopeless shot gumshoe (gumshoe got the notification just after the deadline)
2) prplhz fakeclaimed a day-vig shot on gumshoe at that same moment (maybe his role changed into something different and he had to fakeclaim a day-vig shot at this perfect opportunity?)

prplhz seems town though and his role changing so drastically from day-vig is very unlikely....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 22:32 GMT
#2418
I'd really want a medium here so we could ask marv if he roleblocked anyone :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 22:32 GMT
#2419
On March 08 2014 01:30 geript wrote:
austinmcc the Mafia Rolecop is dead

Role Cop -
Show nested quote +
Once during each night phase, you may PM the host to select one player by sending ##Arrest: Player Name. You will be PM'd the following day phase what the player's Role name is (e.g. Detective or Jailkeeper). If you are investigated by the Detective, that investigation will return as Town-aligned regardless of your actual alignment. If you are roleblocked by the Roleblocker, JoAT (Roleblocker) or Jailkeeper on the same night you are investigated, then the investigation by the Detective will return your actual alignment.

Something like this could be the reason for Marv choosing his rb target. Who would he most likely think he could stop if mafia with such a block though?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 22:37 GMT
#2420
He trusted me and rayn so he wouldn't rb us.
He seemed pretty trusting of Xatalos too so that seems unlikely.
Oats didn't have a role. It seems reasonable to presume scum would also only be able to choose a role if there was one left.
Hopeless was acting upon his orders
Austin flipped red so there was no reason to suspect LSB
Prplhz didn't have a night action and Palmar already shot scum
Leaves Gumshoe. He was already getting shot so it seems very possible Marv would rb him. If Gumshoe was indeed the PGO vet, why wouldn't Hopeless die then though? And why didn't Gumshoe die of two shots?
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