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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:01 GMT
#2441
On March 10 2014 07:53 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:46 LSB wrote:
The whole entire "Palmar can't have two abilities" argument is so bullshit really. You are willing to accept Gumshoe having 3 abilities but not palmar having two?

Gumshoe getting +1 vest and a PGO ability would fit with the role of veteran and it's two defensive abilities, versus another offensive ability for palmar plus some ability for him to prevent a hit on gumshoe (why would he do that?), or him busdriving. Tell me, how does a busdriving assassin make any sense?!


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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:02 GMT
#2442
I doubt that prplhz or Palmar would suddenly gain a bus driver ability in addition to their KP. Pretty much the only role where it really makes sense is if it replaces one of the (for Mafia) useless JOAT powers.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:03 GMT
#2443
On March 10 2014 07:56 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno. This game seems to hardly make any sense. I guess there's something huge we're missing... But I somehow can't picture how gumshoe could be scum with his Veteran role.

+1 vest and kill the first guy that visits you is what is required for that. I think it's very likely marv roleblocked him, and it would've taken precedence over a vig visiting as per the role list.
On March 10 2014 07:55 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:46 LSB wrote:
I'm going to assume that the mafia role PM tells you if you are "Goon, GF, or Roleblocker" and then you can select an additional ability off of that.

On March 03 2014 19:19 geript wrote:
Setup

+ Show Spoiler +
This is a semi-open setup for 12 players. There will be either 9 Town and 3 scum or 9 Town, 2 Scum and 1 Third Party Survivor. At the start of Day 1 all players will receive the one of the following PMs:
Vanilla Townie
You are a Vanilla Townie. You have no special powers other than your vote as of yet. At the end of Day 1 you may receive a new role pm if you successfully draft a new role. You win when there are no more remaining Mafia players.

Mafia Goon
You are a Mafia Goon. You have no special powers other than your vote as of yet. At the end of Day 1 you may receive a new role pm if you successfully draft a new role. You win the game when Mafia players equal or outnumber the Town and/or Third Party players remaining in the game.

Third Party Survivor
You are a vanilla Third Party Survivor. You receive an extra bulletproof vest to absorbs the first KP which targets you (this works against factional KP). Otherwise, you have no special powers other than your vote as of yet. At the end of Day 1 you may receive a new role. If you survive until End Game, then you win the game alongside Town or Scum.

Please stop making terrible assumptions.

You saw Austinmcc's role right? It doesn't suggest that either you are correct or I am correct, it implies either explanation is likely

Yes, but they didn't START with the role. It was in the rolecop role that they could get with PYP.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:04 GMT
#2444
On March 10 2014 08:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 07:53 Xatalos wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 07:46 LSB wrote:
The whole entire "Palmar can't have two abilities" argument is so bullshit really. You are willing to accept Gumshoe having 3 abilities but not palmar having two?

Gumshoe getting +1 vest and a PGO ability would fit with the role of veteran and it's two defensive abilities, versus another offensive ability for palmar plus some ability for him to prevent a hit on gumshoe (why would he do that?), or him busdriving. Tell me, how does a busdriving assassin make any sense?!


This needs a Paint picture. Badly.

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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:04 GMT
#2445
We lynch gum today guys. I've got the feels.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:06 GMT
#2446
LSB, what do you think of lynching gumshoe?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:06 GMT
#2447
Hey Palmar, Palmar
Policy on Gumshoe.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 09 2014 23:08 GMT
#2448
On March 10 2014 08:06 Xatalos wrote:
LSB, what do you think of lynching gumshoe?

Horrible idea, gumshoe is confirmed town in my explanation. That's what I'm hoping to make clear to you guys at least
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:11 GMT
#2449
On March 10 2014 08:08 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 08:06 Xatalos wrote:
LSB, what do you think of lynching gumshoe?

Horrible idea, gumshoe is confirmed town in my explanation. That's what I'm hoping to make clear to you guys at least

True: I jailed Marvellosity.
True: RBer takes precedence over jailing.
Likely: Marvellosity RBed Gumshoe.
Plausible: The person that Marv visited killed him
Plausible: A scum veteran role could turn into a PGO-like role as it makes sense for the flavour of the role
Why is Gumshoe confirmed town again?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:11 GMT
#2450
With how you thought scum could start with roles and thought you could use more than one role, I really don't think you're in a position to make things clear to us LSB.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 09 2014 23:13 GMT
#2451
On March 10 2014 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 08:08 LSB wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:06 Xatalos wrote:
LSB, what do you think of lynching gumshoe?

Horrible idea, gumshoe is confirmed town in my explanation. That's what I'm hoping to make clear to you guys at least

True: I jailed Marvellosity.
True: RBer takes precedence over jailing.
Likely: Marvellosity RBed Gumshoe.
Plausible: The person that Marv visited killed him
Plausible: A scum veteran role could turn into a PGO-like role as it makes sense for the flavour of the role
Why is Gumshoe confirmed town again?



If Gumshoe is PGO why didn't hoplelessder die last night?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:13 GMT
#2452
On March 10 2014 08:13 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:08 LSB wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:06 Xatalos wrote:
LSB, what do you think of lynching gumshoe?

Horrible idea, gumshoe is confirmed town in my explanation. That's what I'm hoping to make clear to you guys at least

True: I jailed Marvellosity.
True: RBer takes precedence over jailing.
Likely: Marvellosity RBed Gumshoe.
Plausible: The person that Marv visited killed him
Plausible: A scum veteran role could turn into a PGO-like role as it makes sense for the flavour of the role
Why is Gumshoe confirmed town again?



If Gumshoe is PGO why didn't hoplelessder die last night?

Perhaps only the first person that visits him dies. It makes sense as Marv's action takes precedence over a vig shot.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:17 GMT
#2453
It has to be Gumshoe because LSB has made so many wrongful assumptions AND didn't want to lynch Gumshoe whom is like the only realistic lynch other than him. Also makes sense with the Austin hard defend. Gumshoe has no reason to be town other than night actions and I've found a reasonable narrative for him to be scum even with the night actions so get on him.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 09 2014 23:18 GMT
#2454
On March 10 2014 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 08:13 LSB wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:08 LSB wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:06 Xatalos wrote:
LSB, what do you think of lynching gumshoe?

Horrible idea, gumshoe is confirmed town in my explanation. That's what I'm hoping to make clear to you guys at least

True: I jailed Marvellosity.
True: RBer takes precedence over jailing.
Likely: Marvellosity RBed Gumshoe.
Plausible: The person that Marv visited killed him
Plausible: A scum veteran role could turn into a PGO-like role as it makes sense for the flavour of the role
Why is Gumshoe confirmed town again?



If Gumshoe is PGO why didn't hoplelessder die last night?

Perhaps only the first person that visits him dies. It makes sense as Marv's action takes precedence over a vig shot.

So you assume three things for Gumshoe to be mafia.

1) Marv RBed Gumshoe - Most likely
2) Gumshoe has extra Lives / immune to night KP - on top of vet, really?
3) Gumshoe has a PGO ability that only targets the first person that visits him at night - Okay this is just getting silly

For anyone else to be mafia, they would need a bus drive ability. Just one assumption.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:18 GMT
#2455
Like what scum says "damn I'm about to get lynched better call the only alternative confirmed town!"
LSB town.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:18 GMT
#2456
I'm trying to wrap my head around if this a good WIFOM plan by LSB or if he's simply town. There are several things that point to town:

1) Clear belief that I would return green if I checked him
2) Unwillingness to lynch the easiest possible mislynch
3) Wrong assumptions about how the Mafia roles would work

I have to admit that LSB is doing a good job of playing innocent if he's scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:20 GMT
#2457
On March 10 2014 08:18 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:13 LSB wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:08 LSB wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:06 Xatalos wrote:
LSB, what do you think of lynching gumshoe?

Horrible idea, gumshoe is confirmed town in my explanation. That's what I'm hoping to make clear to you guys at least

True: I jailed Marvellosity.
True: RBer takes precedence over jailing.
Likely: Marvellosity RBed Gumshoe.
Plausible: The person that Marv visited killed him
Plausible: A scum veteran role could turn into a PGO-like role as it makes sense for the flavour of the role
Why is Gumshoe confirmed town again?



If Gumshoe is PGO why didn't hoplelessder die last night?

Perhaps only the first person that visits him dies. It makes sense as Marv's action takes precedence over a vig shot.

So you assume three things for Gumshoe to be mafia.

1) Marv RBed Gumshoe - Most likely
2) Gumshoe has extra Lives / immune to night KP - on top of vet, really?
3) Gumshoe has a PGO ability that only targets the first person that visits him at night - Okay this is just getting silly

For anyone else to be mafia, they would need a bus drive ability. Just one assumption.

You have to look at the flavour of the role too. A detective isn't suddenly going to get KP when they're scum. Survivability abilities for a veteran role make sense. A busdrive ability for an assassin makes no sense. You have to look at abilities within their role type. No way is a dayvig or an assassin going to have a busdrive ability.

A veteran scum getting two extra abilities is more reasonable to me than the alternative. And if we look at the actual play, Gumshoe is the only player in the game that has no reason to be town.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:20 GMT
#2458
We lynch Gumshoe today.
Fin.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 09 2014 23:22 GMT
#2459
On March 10 2014 08:18 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2014 08:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:13 LSB wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:08 LSB wrote:
On March 10 2014 08:06 Xatalos wrote:
LSB, what do you think of lynching gumshoe?

Horrible idea, gumshoe is confirmed town in my explanation. That's what I'm hoping to make clear to you guys at least

True: I jailed Marvellosity.
True: RBer takes precedence over jailing.
Likely: Marvellosity RBed Gumshoe.
Plausible: The person that Marv visited killed him
Plausible: A scum veteran role could turn into a PGO-like role as it makes sense for the flavour of the role
Why is Gumshoe confirmed town again?



If Gumshoe is PGO why didn't hoplelessder die last night?

Perhaps only the first person that visits him dies. It makes sense as Marv's action takes precedence over a vig shot.

So you assume three things for Gumshoe to be mafia.

1) Marv RBed Gumshoe - Most likely
2) Gumshoe has extra Lives / immune to night KP - on top of vet, really?
3) Gumshoe has a PGO ability that only targets the first person that visits him at night - Okay this is just getting silly

For anyone else to be mafia, they would need a bus drive ability. Just one assumption.


I do agree that this is a far-fetched theory. But it's also quite far-fetched that Palmar or prplhz would receive a bus driving ability on top of their already powerful KP roles.... And they're also otherwise towny. That would really just leave you.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 09 2014 23:26 GMT
#2460
On March 10 2014 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
We lynch Gumshoe today.
Fin.

Start voting folks. This bus is taking off today.
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