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On February 27 2014 04:36 Palmar wrote:
nit to mention this game will definitely be very friendly for a first time forum player. slam is a chill guy, ve and I always get along great in games and bh is basically a model citizen of tl mafia. polite calm and helpful. dandel is pretty cool too.
/in
^_^
now we only need geript, marv and DarthPunk.
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Well if townies get themselves modkilled this game it's not gonna be because of lurking and it's gonna be fun instead. 
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austin let's talk with MSpaint pictures all game?
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Hi Palmar are you around?
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On March 04 2014 18:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 17:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'll do at the very least one of those things tomorrow. Please do. This game doesn't have a ton of quality posters and more than it's fair share of trolls. You know this and you know that if you're town we absolutely need you to contribute to the game. If you disappear or blend in with little opinions throughout the early game, I _will_ policy lynch you.
I would like you to elaborate on this post a bit more.
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Yes Slam is most likely town.
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That's basically why i asked about it (the VE thing, i got that). But another thing is who do you think are the people not quality posters?
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Yeah that's mainly why i asked. I can now see better what you were most likely thinking because i didn't find many incoherent people, especially because i like Oats and Slam this game. Oats had a really good point on Austin imo.
We lynch Grackaroni if he decides to troll, no fucking trolling because when he tries to play he is actually good or readable if he is mafia.
I am looking forward to robik/boone/killing interactions, i WOULD think they can read each other to some extent, and rob seems to be doing a good job there (also might add GGtemplar here). Rob however knows how he played in the last game so i would not draw any definite conclusions about it yet. I wanna see how that all unfolds.
justanothertownie is decent. Also posts a decent amount as either alignment and i think he is quite readable. I'd put him into same category as non-troll!Grack.
Dandel we just figure out if he is scum or town and kill him if he is scum.
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On March 04 2014 19:08 Palmar wrote:Do you have any other reads?
Austin top scumread atm but i need to hear more from him.
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On March 04 2014 19:21 Palmar wrote:
I like your plan.
The one thing that stood out in your post is your thoughts on ggtemplar. I have no reason to believe anything he says until he starts explaining his thought process. These new kids all keep talking about "I'm reading you scum" or "I'm reading you town" but there seems to be little behind those reads except some vague meta feels.
The point is that's what they do in video mafia. Draw reactions, fake drawing reactions etc. IT's really easy to attack them but it's not alignment indicative yet. They have their own way of getting reads and/or starting the game and it's easy to call them out for it but it does not achieve anything because they would do that as either alignment.
You just get a shitfest which ends up in TL guys accusing them and the other way around.
At least Robik was able to "adjust" to forum mafia play a bit after the game start so that's what i am expecting from him and from other people. I know GGtemplar has played many games here and he seems the most "off" from the group because that's not what he usually does.
I actually want to ask GGtemplar why did you vote for the people you voted for?
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EBWOP: ...i except also from other video mafia players to do so too.
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Robik why are you picking on boone?
Can you give me a train of thought what she's doing in your opinion?
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On March 04 2014 20:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 19:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Robik why are you picking on boone?
Can you give me a train of thought what she's doing in your opinion? Do you not think his point on boone is fair?
Not necessarily. I might know what he is after but i am not sure.
On March 04 2014 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2014 19:08 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2014 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes Slam is most likely town. Do you have any other reads? Austin top scumread atm but i need to hear more from him. Would you mind explaining? I get the slam read, just the austin read.
I liked Oats' point on him as i said. I don't know, why are you asking this, was i not clear enough? That's like the only thing that stood out for me besides what i have talking about / asking in thread but it's not enough for me to call austin totally scum for it, especially considering i have a history of totally misreading him in exactly 100% of our games together.
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Let's talk about it after robik answers me okay?
I think Dandel is town what do you think?
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Yes he is a troll but there is also this thing between his town ans scum play whereas as scum he only trolls and as town he trolls and actually forms reads and says stuff. Do you think he hasn't said anything useful that counts as contributing?
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On March 04 2014 21:07 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 21:03 justanothertownie wrote:
Random lynching is a good discussion starter but a terrible play itself while policy lynching has it's merits. Well that is just wrong
Like this post is really good in my opinion because JAT's post is really bad.
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On March 04 2014 22:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2014 20:24 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2014 19:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Robik why are you picking on boone?
Can you give me a train of thought what she's doing in your opinion? Do you not think his point on boone is fair? Not necessarily. I might know what he is after but i am not sure. On March 04 2014 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:On March 04 2014 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2014 19:08 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2014 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes Slam is most likely town. Do you have any other reads? Austin top scumread atm but i need to hear more from him. Would you mind explaining? I get the slam read, just the austin read. I liked Oats' point on him as i said. I don't know, why are you asking this, was i not clear enough? That's like the only thing that stood out for me besides what i have talking about / asking in thread but it's not enough for me to call austin totally scum for it, especially considering i have a history of totally misreading him in exactly 100% of our games together. Hm, ok. I didn't remember that. Also I think it is a pretty weak reason for a scumread. Especially since what oats said is not true.
What have i missed, explain please.
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On March 04 2014 22:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2014 21:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 04 2014 21:03 justanothertownie wrote:
Random lynching is a good discussion starter but a terrible play itself while policy lynching has it's merits. Well that is just wrong Like this post is really good in my opinion because JAT's post is really bad. Why is it good? What does it achieve?
Random lynching can't be a good discussion starter if it's terrible play. That's just not possible.
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On March 04 2014 22:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2014 22:10 justanothertownie wrote:On March 04 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2014 21:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 04 2014 21:03 justanothertownie wrote:
Random lynching is a good discussion starter but a terrible play itself while policy lynching has it's merits. Well that is just wrong Like this post is really good in my opinion because JAT's post is really bad. Why is it good? What does it achieve? Random lynching can't be a good discussion starter if it's terrible play. That's just not possible. It's a good discussion starter because it get's people talking. That is what I wanted to say. You could rightfully argue that there are more productive discussion topics. My main point here was that the act of random lynching in itself is bad.
If you acknowledge that random lynching is bad, then you should also think noone should support it because why would they if it's bad? Therefore it can't be a good discussion starter as you can't possibly draw any conclusions from people's responses because everyone should act the same, cut off bad stuff from the thread. If it's a good discussion starter it can't be bad because in your opinion supporting/not supporting it are both valid opinions (given proper) which contradicts the statement that it's terrible play.
This is also to Palmar, because the next post from Dandel where he says "every lynch, even random lynching gives us information so you are wrong etc." makes me think this is what he caught from JAT's post i brought up, because those two statements actually do not go together.
I think random lynching is terrible, i don't think it should be discussed, because you can only support it and not support it which means you want to or don't want to lynch VE, and it tells absolutely nothing about your alignment in comparsion (or regardless of) to VE's. But if people keep discussing this shit i try to draw conclusions from what people said, like this one, where i think JAT's post is really bad and i don't know why he made it.
On March 04 2014 22:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2014 22:06 justanothertownie wrote:On March 04 2014 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2014 20:24 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2014 19:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Robik why are you picking on boone?
Can you give me a train of thought what she's doing in your opinion? Do you not think his point on boone is fair? Not necessarily. I might know what he is after but i am not sure. On March 04 2014 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:On March 04 2014 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2014 19:08 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2014 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes Slam is most likely town. Do you have any other reads? Austin top scumread atm but i need to hear more from him. Would you mind explaining? I get the slam read, just the austin read. I liked Oats' point on him as i said. I don't know, why are you asking this, was i not clear enough? That's like the only thing that stood out for me besides what i have talking about / asking in thread but it's not enough for me to call austin totally scum for it, especially considering i have a history of totally misreading him in exactly 100% of our games together. Hm, ok. I didn't remember that. Also I think it is a pretty weak reason for a scumread. Especially since what oats said is not true. What have i missed, explain please. Well austin mentions boone once in a question to another player because that player talked about her. How is talking about boone the only substantial thing austin says then and why should he have/post a read on her especially? Don't get me wrong I won't claim that austin contributed much but that statement from oats is just wrong.
The thing is, he dropped a random question to robik and went away. I can see him doing that as town aswell but the fact is to me it looks like he is sort of defending boone rather than trying to find out what rob's reads were about. The way he words his former question is also really weird.
Like he said:
On March 04 2014 12:45 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 12:02 IAmRobik wrote:On March 04 2014 11:28 boonetown wrote:
Hey guys! sorry I got here late, I see we've decided to let RNGsus pick our lynch. I want/ed to play with VE, so I'm going to just wait before jumping on the bandwagon if that's alright with you guys. Do I just read every DM person scummy? Each one is reading the opposite of their town game. This is so weird. I'm usually the one who clears everyone ever and this game I just find everyone scummy. This is not a good sign. Can you be specific with 1-2 of your reads?
He basically asks rob to pick a read from the pool boone/ggtemplar/killing. Like it's fucking weird in the first place and idk why would he do so in the first place? There is no follow up like "why did you pick that specific read", just sort of a defense after rob gives his read and then nothing. I don't get if austin even cares about who rob talks about... The whole thing reads like "what the fuck" to me...
From me, i am not sure if Oats is right or wrong or if this was what he is after in the first place, i am not sure if Oats is even town, but pressuring austin to talk and to give conclusions is the correct play regardless of anyone's alignment. Because austin doesn't reach to fucking conclusions before i get mad to him and start to tunnel him. That's why i always think he is town, he just posts random questions and shit that looks fancy but it never leads to anything until it's too late for me to think he is town.
So i, myself, want to pressure him into giving some concrete shit from the beginning. And what he said about boone/robik is weird as fuck to me for the reasons i stated above.
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EBWOP: why i always think he is scum.
I should really sleep for an hour or so, i can't even type anymore..
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JAT (or anyone) is there something you want me to talk about before i disappear for a while?
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Because that is a post that i would have essentially made regardless of if you asked me about it or not and my first post was a +1 to Oats because i wanted also him to encourage elaborate more on the matter as i don't 100% know what he is after and i want to see his follow up too.
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On March 04 2014 22:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Except rayn's stuff on austin is worse than Oats' because that's not at all what austin said.
Can you explain to me what austin said because that's exactly what he said.
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On March 04 2014 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT (or anyone) is there something you want me to talk about before i disappear for a while? I would like to hear an opinion on boone and see if you are seeing what I am seeing but I guess we can also discuss this later when she posted a bit more. I will be available for a pretty long time today.
Again yes, but only after Rob answers me about boone.
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On March 04 2014 22:49 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2014 22:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Except rayn's stuff on austin is worse than Oats' because that's not at all what austin said. Can you explain to me what austin said because that's exactly what he said. He asked for actual reads instead of wishy-washy general statements. You're talking about stuff like the pool of newbies or whatever, I don't see anything like that from austin. In fact, you are the only one in the game that suggested something like that, but here you are attacking austin for it when he didn't.
I don't get a fucking thing about this post.
Robik said: "I think boone, ggtemplar and killing seem all scummy because they are different than usually as town"
austin: "can you elaborate on 1-2 of those reads"
Robik: [stuff about boone]
austin: "okay that seems reasonable" [some questions]
What i picked up considering the red part is the starting point i don't get the green follow up. How is this how it didn't happen?
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Actually who the fuck is Joey?
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Okay yes, i want to hear austin's read on boone, killing and GGtemplar.
Now i am seriously off for a while.
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On March 05 2014 04:38 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 04:34 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2014 04:33 boonetown wrote:On March 05 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2014 04:28 boonetown wrote: Boone, why is austin scum, and why is GGtemp voting badly, and has the other people you play video mafia with match their meta there so far? Austin is leaning town more and more, which is unfortunate because I was pretty happy thinking I found a mafia in the QT. GGtemp, if you have ever seen him play, is the most paranoid town player in the history of mafia, ever. He would rather sleep every single day of the game in order to not mislynch someone. He only votes if he's mafia, or if he knows the vote won't go through, as a trolly way to make it look like he made a choice. Either templar isn't even trying, or he's mafia. That's where I'm currently at with his allignment. Is austin leaning town because of qt or thread activity? Both, but more so what has been recently posted in the QT. Could be a show, but seems very genuine. Has rayn posted in there? What is your opinion on him? Rayn has posted very little, but I really liked that he asked if we should bring the QT to the thread and let people know about it. Rayn. I think based on early gut reads and reactions Rayn is town. I had stated earlier that if there were mafia between the two I thought it was Austin, now that my read on him is changing I'm going to have to reread Rayn in the thread and see if my read on Rayn adapts as well. For now, They could both potentially be town, which would be great for the purpose of the QT.
Not true. I asked austin if he thinks using the QT is a good idea or not. Pay attention, this was not a good idea.
On March 05 2014 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
It's kind of strange to me that Rayn wanted to policy lynch me this game when he hasn't really tried to do it in other games, but maybe he's just really sick of my play.
Other than that nothing besides the Austin attack sticks out to me.
Not true. I voted you for pure policy in SMB and i will do it every game you play like that. A question, am i supposed to read Palmar as mafia in your opinion? If not, why the fuck am i scum for it?
Didn't GGTeMpLar just call Slam town and mafia?
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In other news this game is boring because what i expected just happened. So i go play the other game for a while.
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On March 05 2014 13:02 Grackaroni wrote:
That was one of my better games lol. I would have gotten Koshi lynched if you didn't pop in at the last minute and move it off Koshi onto me.
Yes but you trolled for the first 45 hours and when you started playing i had no time to check if you are doing good or bad job and it felt like self-preservation.
Can you answer me about Palmar?
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On March 05 2014 13:01 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2014 04:38 boonetown wrote:On March 05 2014 04:34 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2014 04:33 boonetown wrote:On March 05 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2014 04:28 boonetown wrote: Boone, why is austin scum, and why is GGtemp voting badly, and has the other people you play video mafia with match their meta there so far? Austin is leaning town more and more, which is unfortunate because I was pretty happy thinking I found a mafia in the QT. GGtemp, if you have ever seen him play, is the most paranoid town player in the history of mafia, ever. He would rather sleep every single day of the game in order to not mislynch someone. He only votes if he's mafia, or if he knows the vote won't go through, as a trolly way to make it look like he made a choice. Either templar isn't even trying, or he's mafia. That's where I'm currently at with his allignment. Is austin leaning town because of qt or thread activity? Both, but more so what has been recently posted in the QT. Could be a show, but seems very genuine. Has rayn posted in there? What is your opinion on him? Rayn has posted very little, but I really liked that he asked if we should bring the QT to the thread and let people know about it. Rayn. I think based on early gut reads and reactions Rayn is town. I had stated earlier that if there were mafia between the two I thought it was Austin, now that my read on him is changing I'm going to have to reread Rayn in the thread and see if my read on Rayn adapts as well. For now, They could both potentially be town, which would be great for the purpose of the QT. Not true. I asked austin if he thinks using the QT is a good idea or not. Pay attention, this was not a good idea. On March 05 2014 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
It's kind of strange to me that Rayn wanted to policy lynch me this game when he hasn't really tried to do it in other games, but maybe he's just really sick of my play.
Other than that nothing besides the Austin attack sticks out to me. Not true. I voted you for pure policy in SMB and i will do it every game you play like that. A question, am i supposed to read Palmar as mafia in your opinion? If not, why the fuck am i scum for it? Didn't GGTeMpLar just call Slam town and mafia? I think? I'm not really sure even. Look at the vote thread rayn, does not that stuff look suspicious to you?
I don't knowwhat do you mean? Elaborate please.
Top 2 vote leaders are bad votes and i don't even know why there are votes on them.
Also:
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
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I still have no idea what you mean Slam.
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I can understand these new people finding you sucmmy because what you usually post is scummy even when you are town rofl. That's not a scumtell but it's also not a way of reading you.
What has boonetown done that she is not scummy to you or ggtemp that he is more scummy?
She has been very open about her thoughts and i can follow her thought process and reasoning behind why she does things she does. GGTeMpLaR called you fucking scum and town in the same post and gave two easy other reads with 10010 words and some fancy pictures..
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On March 05 2014 13:35 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2014 13:02 Grackaroni wrote:
That was one of my better games lol. I would have gotten Koshi lynched if you didn't pop in at the last minute and move it off Koshi onto me. Yes but you trolled for the first 45 hours and when you started playing i had no time to check if you are doing good or bad job and it felt like self-preservation. Can you answer me about Palmar? Palmar policy lynches all the time and calls people shit. You not as much. That doesn't really have much to do with why I dislike you. Austin just asked me to talk more about you and that was the only other thing that was kind of weird to me. So of course you shouldn't call Palmar scum for that. (I'm not sure if this is what you were asking though? lol)
The thing is Mocsta did the exact same fucking thing in Cultured game and it got me really mad. I townread Toad and he townread me and Mocsta was shitting on both of us for no reason, but he also did not think we should call each other scum. I am not paranoid about people. Especially about players i consider strong. I work with them and if they do something scummy i call them out for it. You very well know that, so i have no idea why you called me out for townreading Palmar because 1) i didn't even say i think he is town and 2) if you don't think i should call him mafia i don't see a reason why you would do so other than shitting on me and spreading mistrust for no reasoning.
I policy lynch a shitton. I just don't do that in the first 40 hours into the game.
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On March 05 2014 13:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Did you change your mind on Austin from before, or do you think he's shaped up since then?
I have no fucking idea what austin is doing.
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On March 05 2014 13:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GGTeMpLaR called you fucking scum and town in the same post and gave two easy other reads with 10010 words and some fancy pictures.. You're not even reading clearly. I was explaining why I had initially voted for him and then stopped voting for him. I clearly concluded I had a light town read on him. go reread my post, which isn't even that big - it's 50% oversized pictures
So who is mafia? I don't care about your townreads on DM people because it's the easiest thing you can write an essay about. I don't care why you had a scumread on Slam and why you did change your mind.
You basically wrote a big post about something that says very little.
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Slam i am confused. Are you voting for boone because you think she outed the scum QT?
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On March 05 2014 13:47 IAmRobik wrote:
rayn...do you know why I think you're mafia?
No i don't. And you didn't answer me. Also if you think your explanation of scumreading boone is good enough then you can die and be mafia.
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What's the case against boone and what's the case against Dandel?
We need to lynch GGTeMpLaR because he wasn't doing anything and when he was called out for it he wrote a big pile of crap. Apparently there indeed was a buried "i changed my mind on Slam" between all the crap but the point still stands that the post is inceribly hard to read and it says basically nothing.
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On March 05 2014 14:14 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Yeah that's mainly why i asked. I can now see better what you were most likely thinking because i didn't find many incoherent people, especially because i like Oats and Slam this game. Oats had a really good point on Austin imo. We lynch Grackaroni if he decides to troll, no fucking trolling because when he tries to play he is actually good or readable if he is mafia. I am looking forward to robik/boone/killing interactions, i WOULD think they can read each other to some extent, and rob seems to be doing a good job there (also might add GGtemplar here). Rob however knows how he played in the last game so i would not draw any definite conclusions about it yet. I wanna see how that all unfolds. justanothertownie is decent. Also posts a decent amount as either alignment and i think he is quite readable. I'd put him into same category as non-troll!Grack. Dandel we just figure out if he is scum or town and kill him if he is scum. what do I find most appalling about this post? Hint: we fought about it last game. Also, the situation regarding boone has changed. I think she might be town now
I think you mean this:
I am looking forward to robik/boone/killing interactions, i WOULD think they can read each other to some extent, and rob seems to be doing a good job there (also might add GGtemplar here). Rob however knows how he played in the last game so i would not draw any definite conclusions about it yet. I wanna see how that all unfolds.
right?
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On March 05 2014 14:18 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2014 14:14 IAmRobik wrote:On March 04 2014 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Yeah that's mainly why i asked. I can now see better what you were most likely thinking because i didn't find many incoherent people, especially because i like Oats and Slam this game. Oats had a really good point on Austin imo. We lynch Grackaroni if he decides to troll, no fucking trolling because when he tries to play he is actually good or readable if he is mafia. I am looking forward to robik/boone/killing interactions, i WOULD think they can read each other to some extent, and rob seems to be doing a good job there (also might add GGtemplar here). Rob however knows how he played in the last game so i would not draw any definite conclusions about it yet. I wanna see how that all unfolds. justanothertownie is decent. Also posts a decent amount as either alignment and i think he is quite readable. I'd put him into same category as non-troll!Grack. Dandel we just figure out if he is scum or town and kill him if he is scum. what do I find most appalling about this post? Hint: we fought about it last game. Also, the situation regarding boone has changed. I think she might be town now I think you mean this: I am looking forward to robik/boone/killing interactions, i WOULD think they can read each other to some extent, and rob seems to be doing a good job there (also might add GGtemplar here). Rob however knows how he played in the last game so i would not draw any definite conclusions about it yet. I wanna see how that all unfolds. right? if so, folks are allowed to change their minds. THere is line between this and wishy washy
I think he means the fact that in the last game as mafia i called him out for doing what i said he will most likely be doing this game and he reads it as me trying to please or buddy him or whatever.
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Robik you were pressuring boone at the start of the game correct?
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On March 05 2014 15:09 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2014 14:14 IAmRobik wrote:On March 04 2014 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Yeah that's mainly why i asked. I can now see better what you were most likely thinking because i didn't find many incoherent people, especially because i like Oats and Slam this game. Oats had a really good point on Austin imo. We lynch Grackaroni if he decides to troll, no fucking trolling because when he tries to play he is actually good or readable if he is mafia. I am looking forward to robik/boone/killing interactions, i WOULD think they can read each other to some extent, and rob seems to be doing a good job there (also might add GGtemplar here). Rob however knows how he played in the last game so i would not draw any definite conclusions about it yet. I wanna see how that all unfolds. justanothertownie is decent. Also posts a decent amount as either alignment and i think he is quite readable. I'd put him into same category as non-troll!Grack. Dandel we just figure out if he is scum or town and kill him if he is scum. what do I find most appalling about this post? Hint: we fought about it last game. Also, the situation regarding boone has changed. I think she might be town now I think you mean this: I am looking forward to robik/boone/killing interactions, i WOULD think they can read each other to some extent, and rob seems to be doing a good job there (also might add GGtemplar here). Rob however knows how he played in the last game so i would not draw any definite conclusions about it yet. I wanna see how that all unfolds. right? Incorrect. It was the smiley face. TSSK TSSK. You should know better after the first game
Oh my fucking god.
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That's like the worst reasoning ever Robik.
GGTemPlaR your reads are really bad and contradicting. Vote stands.
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On March 05 2014 15:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn can you please talk about your Austin read? Usually when you find something suspicious you will harp on about it until people agree with you. Why did you drop your suspicion?
I get his explanation about boone/robik thing.
One thing that bothered me besides that is that he was giving reads in our QT, missed my townread on Slam and called Slam possibly mafia. He was also more interested in using the QT than posting stuff in thread which is not the way to play as town.
Obviously i could not bring this up because i didn't want to out the QT. Now it does not matter because it's outed.
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Or he didn't actually call Slam mafia but wanted to kill him.
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Why is me questioning Palmar scummy?
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Also why is it scummy regarding you think Palmar is scum?
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Also explain in more detail what posts made you go from "Slam is mafia" to "boone is mafia".
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On March 05 2014 16:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is me questioning Palmar scummy? You throwing Palmar softballs // useless questions is scummy.
Bad answer. Back up with quotes.
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Just because i do not ask useless questions.
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Even as mafia i do have a game plan and i STILL don't ask useless question so this is actually interesting because what you are saying is general crap that leads nowhere.
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Oats do you still think JAT is mafia? I liked your post about him.
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1) It's a same question, so you don't actually have questionS which is already a misrepresentation.
2) Palmar gave me an answer that was not scummy and i could follow his train of thought.
Now tell me, again, how is my question useless?
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On March 05 2014 17:16 Palmar wrote:
I think we should lynch boone
I don't.
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That's fucking stupid GGTeMpLaR. So so fucking stupid. You should know me well enough to know i don't give a fuck if Palmar or anyone thinks i am a "quality player". You die for this bullshit.
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The only reason i asked Palmar why he thinks there are many "non quality posters" is because i do think there are not many non-quality posters and from them Oats/Slam already proved they most likely will be quality posters this game.
That only leaves possibly Dandel (and maybe Grack) to me, so i was curious why Palmar thought there were "only few quality posters".
Do you even fucking think why people say what they do?
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EBWOP: because i don't think...
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Also quality poster =/= quality player.
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Quality player = someone who is really good.
Quality poster = someone who can at least form decent posts no matter how good/bad they are
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I don't see a reason why i should lynch her.
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On March 05 2014 17:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2014 17:16 Palmar wrote:
I think we should lynch boone I don't. If nothing else, I clarified with thrawn that the wording on the OP is actually 100% correct. So amongst other reasons I want to policy lynch her for roleclaiming on day 1.
I really don't like the bolded part because apparently there is also another mason group who also claimed and i don't know what are the "other reasons".
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Hmm that's actually a really good point VE.
##unvote:
##vote: boonetown
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Did she actually claim a role besides the QT thing?
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If boone flips mafia someone needs to cop me or austin. Just pointing that out right now.
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On March 05 2014 18:13 Palmar wrote:
VE claims to be in the foundation chat.
I clarified with thrawn that his wording is CORRECT. There should only be one foundation chat at time. So whatever it is that you/austin/her are in, is not the foundation chat. One of you has a role, or the host decided to add random hidden mechanics to the game for lulz. I'm inclined to think it's the former.
So, I'm killing boonetown for roleclaiming. I thought I was gonna kill austin today for misrepresenting my position, but this kill is better.
I was told i was in the secret mason group when i got my role PM.
I went to the QT and boone and austin were there aswell.
That's all i know.
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boone i actually do have a question to you amongst other things you are accused of:
Why are you so sure there is scum in our mason group and why do you base your reads on me/austin on that?
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Palmar i think she is accusing austin based on her hypothesis that there is mafia in our mason group which is already a fucking bad reason to base your reads on if you are town.
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Since i see no reason why we should be even talking in our mason group i'll post this all here:
austinmcc:
trolls, says him and rayn are bad at reading each other and will most likely accuse each other when both town
austinmcc:
possibly mafia here, unlikely rayn/boone both mafia. Says we want possibly bring this QT into the thread at some point. Is happy to keep it as a secret for now.
austinmcc
asks if boone has played here before, says hasn't been paying attention lately (i assume this is for games played on TL)
raynpelikoneet:
Hi austin! Why no pictures in thread? Also any early reads?
boonetown
hello!!!
austinmcc
Says pictures is bad idea. no early reads, doesn't want to lynch Palmar on D1 unless he is inactive. Would kill Slam/Grack atm in order to get more legible thread but not because they are scummy.
raynpelikoneet
Did you read my posts in thread? Especially the second one?
raynpelikoneet
I have a question austin. Do you think it's a good idea to use this QT yet?
boonetown
Says she posted mason group in htread, does not feel like group is helping town atm. She thinks rayn is town. Thinks austin is not helping the town atm.
austinmcc
Thinks it's a good idea to use QT. Doesn't have an idea how to use it for now, just a nice discussion tool.
austinmcc
bitches about boone outing the group. Thinks it was a bad idea because it does not help the town to know about the group. Asks boone why reveal.
austinmcc
Says JAT not scum if anyone in here is scum. Says JAT feels genuine in his frustration and questions about the reveal.
austinmcc
Asks boone(?) do answer in here what she thinks town gains from being told about the QT. And maybe what scum gains and why town gains more than scum.
boonetown
Because she needs town to trust her, and this seemed like a great way to do so. Says all of town is against her and they are wrong. Says she can be very helpful and useful further on. She is frustrated because game is hard and because people misreepresent her. says she is looking scummier by the second and she know this... asks what to do. Says she did what she thought was the best thing to do.
austinmcc
tells boone to scumhunt and do things she thinks is best for the town. Asks boone the "why" question again.
austinmcc
asks Boone about if she thinks Palmar is still as townie as before.
boonetown
Says Palmar needs to post more to maintain his towniness, has no reason to take him off her list. Also thinks Rob is town and Templar mafia.
austinmcc
Asks if everyone going after templar bother her.
boonetown
Not really.
Asks about austin's vote on her. (i don't understand what she's talking about - something like austin didn't follow the thread sentiment but voted for her and that's contradicting)
boonetown
clarifies that austin did not vote for her but also didn't defend her.
austinmcc
says the situations are different. says GG is being called mafia for doing nothing and boone is called mafia for doing things people find scummy.
austinmcc
explains why boone is being voted for. asks boone about her opinion on templar.
austinmcc
Rephrases; Does boone think austin should have same reaction to boone/templar being called scum.
boonetown
defends herself based on "if the two of us or all of us in this group are town then this is useful group" and that's why austin should have been interested in knowing why people jumped on her.
boonetown
doesn't understand why people call her scum, asks austin to elaborate.
austinmcc
Posted about liking VE, not wanting to rng yet. Posted some responses to people which templar has not done. In comparsion boone is called scum for her actions, templar because he hasn't done anything.
austinmcc
Says he would like to know the alignment's of everyone in this QT.
Clarifies what something might tell about someone (really fucking useless post i don't get anything about it).
raynpelikoneet
austin i have no idea what you are doing right now..
raynpelikoneet
There is literally no fucking reason to use this QT until there is a confirmed town in here. That's not possible on D1, so don't use this thing, post your shit in thread.
and that's our QT so far.
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On March 05 2014 19:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
analyse your qt with reads on Austin and Boone pls Rayn.
I have no fucking idea what either austin & boone are doing in the QT.
From boone i can somehow understand it from town perspective, from austin no.
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No, austin's thread posts are way better and i can't read him so i might be wrong about him being scum.
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That's only the most recent game. In LXII austin didn't do shit on D1.
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Sorry in LXIII: Time to die, that's the game i meant, not Noir.
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On March 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
He has done shit though in this game, its just not very good.
That's basically what i meant. But again, i never understand what he does because he does not explain it very well and he talks more about potatoes and spaceships than he talks about mafia and it's annoying because i have to use time to actually think what he is even trying to say.
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I like tha plan.
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GGTeMpLaR is really good in outing himself as mafia based on night kills.
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Yes but i am not as confident on him being mafia because of him backing down on me.
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Ehh.. Dandel do you think boone is scummier than GGtemplar or not?
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Jesus JAT are you reading at all or just keep asking stupid questions?
I have very clearly explained why i did vote for boone. In the post where i voted for her, and it has btw nothing to do with Palmar.
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haha
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I agree i have not put much effort to this game, mainly because the night before last night i played video mafia until 10am or smth and all my posts at the first 24 of the game were not really thought out. So i decided to sheep the best case after that.
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btw i like your list a lot Palmar. I'd only swp Grack a bit lower and VE up and i am obviously town.
Robik is probably just dumb and not scum. Also Slam & Oats are really much townier than Robik + you.
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On March 05 2014 23:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw i like your list a lot Palmar. I'd only swp Grack a bit lower and VE up and i am obviously town.
Robik is probably just dumb and not scum. Also Slam & Oats are really much townier than Robik + you. I think I agree with that. So I am also in your neutral category rayn? Why? You said I would be so easy to read.
I am not comfortable reading you on D1. After that i am.
You are one of the few people i am probably not comfortable lynching on D1 no matter how scummy you look.
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Also yes, you are neutral, leaning scummy but there are too many scum already so not leaning too heavily.
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I am confused, are you... not happy you don't get "scummy answers" from me?
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Like i get you can fish for "scum answers" but why unhappy? What would you expect a "really townie" answer to be because i just gave you one.
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You are asking a lot of questions which generally do not seem to be leading anywhere, like in that game.
This has also happened in your towngames like in PYP LOL and that's why i am not comfortable making a judgement call on your alignment yet.
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The same thing happens with austin every time. He posts a lot of poo poo that i can't understand where he is going with it except that in austin's case there is never going to be a conclusion and then i just think he is mafia.
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On March 06 2014 00:05 justanothertownie wrote:
You mean the game where my play was totally different and which was a pm game that isn't comparable in the slightest?
I don't think your play was different from your town games on D1, at least radically different. It comes later, on N1 i was quite convinced you were scum, #3 scumread after Derridaslot and Vayne.
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Yeah. I am basically waiting on people expressing their opinions about the lynch. The people who are not here right now as these people have given theirs.
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btw why are you not voting for anyone JAT?
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On March 06 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are asking a lot of questions which generally do not seem to be leading anywhere, like in that game.
This has also happened in your towngames like in PYP LOL and that's why i am not comfortable making a judgement call on your alignment yet. I think I played pretty well in PYP LOL and pretty badly in the pm game but hey...
I can't fully +1 this statement because you basically tunneled me until i got shot but other than that yes you played pretty well.
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On March 06 2014 00:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw why are you not voting for anyone JAT? Are you gonna tell me that's scummy now?
No but it would possibly be townie if you would take a real stance in saying which lynch you think is the best by voting for the person you think is the best lynch, unless you have some reason not to.
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Who are you weighing between and why?
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That's what i am talking about JAT. I have no clue who you think is suspicious enough to get lynched for you. I mean, i can see who you think are mafia or not necessarily town but i have no idea who are your top suspects.
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Okay so what's the reason for not asking them stuff instead of other people?
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Jesus christ Oats. Read please.
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wow that's a pretty bad post.
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Killing can you explain your scumreads in more detail. Also the GGTeMpLaR read, he is perfectly capable of making big posts as either alignment.
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Well that was unexpected.
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If killing / Robik flips mafia kill the other one. 100% guaranteed.
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Oh shit, not necessarily, might be GGTeMpLaR too.
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On March 06 2014 01:45 IAmRobik wrote:
Rayn,
if you're town calling me maf, you're going to be very embarrassed at the end of the game. I'm posting openly and freely (although to be fair a tiny bit less than last game) regarding all of my opinions. I think Killing COULD be mafia, but setting up a situation where we are mafia together is pretty scummy (cause, like, I'm town, and like whatnot).
What he just said is highly unlike to be an individual thought and i have only "shat on players" when i called your smiley post dumb and templar's post bad (because they were bad).
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Killing if you think i hav not posted original thoughts you are either mafia or delusional.
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Alakaslam is town because he is incapable of being this happy as mafia.
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I call bad shit bad, that's quite simple.
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On March 06 2014 02:02 IAmRobik wrote:I think it's a bit cute that Joey's defending me here. I also think it's cute that he think I'm more BM than he
I dunno, what makes you think he is defending you rather than templar?
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On March 06 2014 02:11 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2014 02:02 IAmRobik wrote:I think it's a bit cute that Joey's defending me here. I also think it's cute that he think I'm more BM than he I dunno, what makes you think he is defending you rather than templar? maybe it's cause you just tried to lump me and joey as maf together. Maybe it's cause he has me as his top town.
Okay why do you think he does not bring up Dandel who has actually shat on you?
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I meant good point on Killing. ^^
I think it's weird that he brings up me and not Dandel if he is defending you. So it has to do with GGTeMpLaR. I literally just read my filter and i am way more friendly than usual and i have definitely not shat on players in this game.
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Like i called your smiley read dumb because it is dumb. I also called templar's posts bad because tehy were bad. Hell people even fucking agree with me on that, how the fuck is that "shitting on someone"? Posts that say nothing or posts which are based on bad logic are bad, there is no reason to call them flowers.
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boone can you reason your scumreads? They seem to differ for some parts from mine.
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It does not matter Oats we are not lynching her.
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No boone can you make a TLDR; version of why the people you called mafia are mafia?
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Also do you think Killing is town after his latest posts?
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jesus christ ignore Oats!!
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staph! both of you Grack and Oats. Grack why VE, are you being srs?
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On March 06 2014 02:34 boonetown wrote:
I honestly have no idea how to format this shit so that it's pleasing to your oh so precious eyes. I claimed, that's all you need to know. Green, underlined, bolded... fuck off.
My reads are a little hap hazard because I'm really confused on Palmar and Oats. I, for the longest time thought Palmar was town, and he might very well be, but the way he's pushing on me as a town who has legit being trying at this game, failing, but tying... just seems like he's going for an easy lynch.
Oats, you're an idiot. So much so that I almost read you as town because of it. You can't honestly be this bad and rude, as mafia. You'd probably try harder to be nice if you were mafia. so my reads will change in the next 5 hours I'm sure.
Actually ignore Palmar and Oats for now. We have 5 hours and your opinion on templar and Killing is more valuable than on players who are most likely not gonna get lynched.
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On March 06 2014 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Well the one thing I find odd about Palmar is that he has repeatedly played himself down in the oh-i-could-be-wrong fashion, which I've never seen him do Day 1, I've generally found him (to act) very confident on Day 1.
Palmar calls "one of my town reads is wrong" as town if that's what you mean?
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Like this Dandel:
On February 21 2014 21:31 Palmar wrote:
I am almost always terribly wrong on one mafia and call him town, so you could check out in my top 7.
But I think toad is a good day 1 lynch.
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Also where the fuck is VE?
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We are not lynching Dandel, that's for sure!
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Okay so templar made a case on me that was really bad and then he gave three town reads. I think that qualifies as not doing anything useful? I would lynch Killing for his posts but i have a hard time believing he went all out on me like that as mafia.
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Also the post where he stated his reads was full of contradictions and stuff that's not alignment indicative, i'll make a post about it, Oats caught some already earlier.
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This post. For starters he has five scumreads in a game where there is three mafia.
I'll break the post in parts:
On March 05 2014 14:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2014 13:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On March 05 2014 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GGTeMpLaR called you fucking scum and town in the same post and gave two easy other reads with 10010 words and some fancy pictures.. You're not even reading clearly. I was explaining why I had initially voted for him and then stopped voting for him. I clearly concluded I had a light town read on him. go reread my post, which isn't even that big - it's 50% oversized pictures So who is mafia? I don't care about your townreads on DM people because it's the easiest thing you can write an essay about. I don't care why you had a scumread on Slam and why you did change your mind. You basically wrote a big post about something that says very little. People I'm currently suspicious of/things that struck me as scummy: Boone - For reasons stated before by myself and others. It's likely she slipped up early on, but I'll need to see more of her reads before I make her my final vote. Some other potential candidates depending on how the day plays out -
Sheeping thread sentiment, not necessarily scummy but nothing new to see here.
Ehh.. this is pretty much OMGUS and nothing more.
Asking people to contribute to find scum is a way of finding scum, and at worst is a null tell and not scummy. He also brings up the me/Palmar interaction and the conclusion is hilarious. Even if asking "useless questions that do not move town forward" was what Palmar was doing in those quotes it does not make him mafia because he has other posts aswell, and templar is not telling what the mafia agenda here is (also see the read on me for that). [/quote]
rayn
Your questioning of Palmar was pretty scummy and you not reading my post properly is a little scummy as well, but I somewhat understand the criticism in your current post. I still don't like the early bit, or your fucking vote on me like I'm the best lynch.
Another OMGUS + a read that i am scummy because i am questioning his scumread... w00t??
DandelionThe dumb argument he had with JAT around page 15 and Robik later on felt like mafia just filling the thread arguing useless stuff with stubborn town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=337&topic_id=444554Not even accusing him, just lightly throwing suspicion on him. Can't remember if someone else pointed it out or not. I know he's been called a trolly player but this game it's more like a mafia spreading chaos that fills up the thread with confusion and misdirection.
Another instance where he takes a post or two that may or may not have anything to do with the game and ignores the rest of Dandel's posts. EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS MADE A TROLLY POST IN THIS GAME! Someone joking or making a trolly post(s) does not make them mafia. The argument with JAT was not dumb, or if it was it's not proven here why, and why dumb =/= scum??
TLDR;
- Too many scumreads in the first place makes no sense, why would a townie have more scumreads than there are mafia, seems like scum saying "i can lynch half of the people in game so i can change my mind more than just between three people"
- Bad reasoning for scumreads, doesn't point out why something is scummy, it's "dumb" or "bad".
- Contradicting reads, people who are scum call out other scum and again he does not explain how this is more likely to be scum/scum interaction
- All the stuff that's been questioned in this post by me & Oats has basically been retracted by GGTeMpLaR so it in itself proves this is really bad. He is not bad as he himself proved (by quoting the LXIV game when questioned by Oats) -> a lot of misrepresentations that have been pointed out.
That's why ggtemplar is mafia. lynch.
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Would lynch:
ggtemplar
Killing
austin
Would not lynch:
Everyone else unless they claim scum or something.
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I would only lynch VE because it's hilarious to lynch VE on D1, like lynching yamato.
But i don't think he is mafia. Inactivity does not mean he is mafia, he's been playing video mafia last night, i know that for a fact.
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I'll brb in 30min, i gotz sauna ready.
Also the PYP game got boring and this one got interesting so see you guys soon! ^_^
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On March 06 2014 03:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
also rayn why did you take a decent-ish case and then added the shit about "town wouldn't suspect 5 people"
That's like so not true.
I might be biased becaue I play by elimination but w/e
The rest was fine-ish as I said.
I can explain this in more detail if you want to, short answer is "no".
Also i have not seen templar do that, in LXIV he had exactly 4 scumreads.
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EBWOP: When there was 4 scum..
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On March 06 2014 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Boone is a hard read on Forum mafia. She's very good at Video Mafia, but one thing I've noticed about her play in Video Mafia is that it's based EXCLUSIVELY on body reads. She has NEVER in my experience with her made a read based on what people have said, logic, contradictions, anything. She has SPECTACULAR reads....when they're made based on body reads.
That being said, I'm willing to give her more time to prove to at least me that she's just out of her medium here.
##Unvote
##Vote: Killing
Why are you voting for Killing over ggtemplar?
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Dandel, the fact about templar and his too many scumreads is that it's not like "i think these guys might be mafia", it's like he makes a case on everyone, which is retarded and i don't see why he would do that as town. The only reason i could see him do that is if he is mafia and he can later on say "see i found this guy scummy here for these reasons already".
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On March 06 2014 03:55 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dandel, the fact about templar and his too many scumreads is that it's not like "i think these guys might be mafia", it's like he makes a case on everyone, which is retarded and i don't see why he would do that as town. The only reason i could see him do that is if he is mafia and he can later on say "see i found this guy scummy here for these reasons already". How often do you employ this rule that making too many cases/having too many red reads = scummy?
always in a sense i presented it here.
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trololol are all the scum not voting?
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Okay now a serious question, is anyone entertaining the possibility of boone fakeclaiming here?
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I kinda wanna lycnh VE for his bad post about boone's claim.
Also ggtemplar so vote stands.
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Her claim.
Who the fuck claims (as mafia) like "HERE ARE MY 1000 READS AND THE THINGS I HAVE and btw i am medic" instead of "I AM MEDIC DONT LYNCH ME PLZ also here might be something wifom"?!?!?!!?!?
really???
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VE what the hell?!?!?!?!?! "what does that claim mean in the context" seriously? What the hell? :D
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On March 06 2014 04:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:This is retarded- Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If killing / Robik flips mafia kill the other one. 100% guaranteed. So is this- Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh shit, not necessarily, might be GGTeMpLaR too. If there is scum it's Killing, not Robik, because this is the 2nd time Robik has called out Killing on something small in his post that was a good point. Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i called your smiley read dumb because it is dumb. I also called templar's posts bad because tehy were bad. Hell people even fucking agree with me on that, how the fuck is that "shitting on someone"? Posts that say nothing or posts which are based on bad logic are bad, there is no reason to call them flowers. Town fucking asked for my thought process on the votes on like 6 separate occasions so I gave it. If you don't want bad/useless shit don't fucking ask for it over and over throughout the thread. Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote:I am going to do this all in the order as I read it.. there are 10 pages to go through, so if this is too long I don't really care at this point. I'm just going to start responding to everything. I have noticed there are now 6 votes on me, and 6 hours to get them off of me. That doesn't leave me much time, so I'm pretty sure I'll end up being the lynch. That being said, I'm going to do everything I can right now to try and make that no happen. For reasons stated before by myself and others. It's likely she slipped up early on, but I'll need to see more of her reads before I make her my final vote. Templar, how in the hell do you see a slip? You guys are reaching and grasping at things that aren't there because you WANT me to be mafia, not because I am. There is no world right now, where I am mafia. Because you cracked like it was the first game of mafia as mafia you ever played when you got pinged early on in those first few posts of yours getting hyper-defensive and backlashing against everyone. If you think I WANT you to be mafia, that's absurd. It objectively read as what a mafia would say to me, not town. Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote:
OMFG... I asked him (and he didnt answer by the way) because Templar as town would be the first to admit that what he did was scummy. He would confirm that the way I was reading him was correct, which would in turn allow (as a whole) understand that I'm not just making shit up, I'm reading, paying attention and trying to figure this game out.
Actually I did answer and I sympathized with where you/killing/robik were all coming from in your meta scum read on me - However, I explained how that style really doesn't carry over into forum mafia because the voting mechanics are COMPLETELY different and said if you were town you should re-evaluate the meta read because it didn't make sense in this medium. Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote:
I am not, nor have I ever acted scummy in this thread, I might be nervous and I might have no idea what I'm doing (because, HI.. this is my first forum game) but I think I did an okay job.
That's bullshit. I sympathized with it being your first game, but your first few posts were scummy and the way you backlashed at everyone for calling it scummy came across as hyper-defensive and just read more scummy. When you started giving actual reads instead of arguing with people "not knowing how to read you", you did a good job, especially in this latest post, I was reading you less and less scummy from your conviction if nothing else. Now that you've claimed it's all moot but now that you're basically confirmed town it's important you townread me so that's my thoughts on the matter. Also, I agree with this 100%: and that he's been so stupid that he has to be town because a mafia couldn't be that bad Right now I actually still like the VE lynch. I don't like how he reacted to my obvious joke in the QT and I still don't like his reason for voting me. Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
He also did something really scummy in the foundation chat (of which I am a part) in coming in and saying "I know both of you are scum, don't even talk to me" as his very first act. My first reaction to being chosen as one of the foundation thingys was "Hmm I guess I better go check the OP to see if it's possible scum are in here....looks like it's possible, better be careful" and I'm town. My first reaction was NOT that I was certain scum were allowed to be in the Foundation chat. The only people who should feel that way as their first reaction should be scum - because they know scum are allowed in the chat.
Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2014 06:48 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2014 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Another Palmar thing I'm missing is stressing the importance of being read as town on D1 for all townies. I thought I covered that with my rant on how I needed you to look town as I couldn't count on other people looking town earlier in the day. At any rate, now that I look townie to you what do you think of GGTemp as a lynch? I'm pushing it not as an inactivity policy lynch, but based on the things he's said in the QT. I understand that's not super helpful to you, but considering what he HAS done in the thread, I can't imagine you opposing it. After I linked the actual QT thread info, do you guys honestly think what is in there is a viable reason to scumread/lynch someone? I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to killing austin today, but I wouldn't really endorse it either. If that's too tentative for you, deal with it, but I haven't really focused on him at all so he's pretty much dead-middle-null for me. Another lynch that is actually growing on me is the Killing one, specifically for two things Robik pointed out in his posts on two separate occasions which were really dumb 1. Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 04:55 IAmRobik wrote:On March 05 2014 04:52 Killing wrote:
Also VE is really high in my town list, I liked what he had to say earlier and try to fix the fight between Robik and Dandel is probably townie.
Really? This is like the easiest thing in the world to do as mafia to get town credit if Dandelion and I are both town. This should be role neutral at best. 2. Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 02:13 IAmRobik wrote:On March 06 2014 01:29 Killing wrote:
Hey guys, Sorry I lurked all of last night. The reason I unvoted GGtemplar was simply because of his gigantic post. When he's town in video mafia, he'll go into these long winded theories about who he thinks the mafia and why but when he's mafia he'll just do a quick explanation. I'm not saying that he couldn't do his gigantic post as scum but I think it's extremely unlikely.
I don't know what's going on with boone this game as it isn't her town or mafia play. Typically, she can project town extremely well as either alignment but in this game she's done a pretty bad job. I don't really know what was the deal with the QT stuff in regards to the game but outting it probably pushed her to more scummy in my eyes.
Also, I had austin as one of my strongest towns earlier in the game but I don't know where he's been for hours. Where u at?
Here are my updated reads:
Strong Town
Rob
Leaning Town:
Palmar
GGTemplar
JAT
Dandelion
Neutral
Grack
Oats
VE
Leaning Maf
Alakazam
Rayn
Strong Maf
Boone
I think that's all except austin. I didn't put him because I was reading him town before but now that he hasn't really said much which makes me more unsure of him. no idea where to put him. if anyone has any questions about any of my reads, just ask and i'll clarify
There's a contradiction in the bolded parts. You say that her play is off and you can't get a good feel on whether she is maf or town, but that you lean scum on her (by the end of that bolded paragraph), but then you list her under "STRONG MAF" reads. I am so wishy-washy on Boone right now, I think having her as "strong maf" is quite the stretch. Also, I still like my behavioral read of Dandelion this game trying to troll town (JAT/Robik) and cause chaos/confusion/misdirection. Those are really the 4 people I'm okay with voting today. If I had to prioritize them, it would be like this VE
Dandelion
Killing
AustinRayn/Oats need to work on reading comprehension but I can't really scumread them for constantly misreading my posts. Especially you Rayn, you read me right the past 2 games I played with you. If you're actually town you need to get off me. Still like Robik as my top town but I also like Grack a lot for being the only other person besides myself to call out VE on that QT shit.
Kill for this post. Kill fo this post!!!!!!
Killing was green earlier! Now when he is a lynch target he is scum.
Kill kill kill!!!
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No reasoning given. Fuck this dude is so scum!!
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Again the "scumread" is buried somewhere in the middle. For fucks sake kill this scum already.
I am off, rofl.
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On March 06 2014 05:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2014 04:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:This is retarded- On March 06 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If killing / Robik flips mafia kill the other one. 100% guaranteed. So is this- On March 06 2014 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh shit, not necessarily, might be GGTeMpLaR too. If there is scum it's Killing, not Robik, because this is the 2nd time Robik has called out Killing on something small in his post that was a good point. On March 06 2014 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i called your smiley read dumb because it is dumb. I also called templar's posts bad because tehy were bad. Hell people even fucking agree with me on that, how the fuck is that "shitting on someone"? Posts that say nothing or posts which are based on bad logic are bad, there is no reason to call them flowers. Town fucking asked for my thought process on the votes on like 6 separate occasions so I gave it. If you don't want bad/useless shit don't fucking ask for it over and over throughout the thread. On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote:I am going to do this all in the order as I read it.. there are 10 pages to go through, so if this is too long I don't really care at this point. I'm just going to start responding to everything. I have noticed there are now 6 votes on me, and 6 hours to get them off of me. That doesn't leave me much time, so I'm pretty sure I'll end up being the lynch. That being said, I'm going to do everything I can right now to try and make that no happen. For reasons stated before by myself and others. It's likely she slipped up early on, but I'll need to see more of her reads before I make her my final vote. Templar, how in the hell do you see a slip? You guys are reaching and grasping at things that aren't there because you WANT me to be mafia, not because I am. There is no world right now, where I am mafia. Because you cracked like it was the first game of mafia as mafia you ever played when you got pinged early on in those first few posts of yours getting hyper-defensive and backlashing against everyone. If you think I WANT you to be mafia, that's absurd. It objectively read as what a mafia would say to me, not town. On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote:
OMFG... I asked him (and he didnt answer by the way) because Templar as town would be the first to admit that what he did was scummy. He would confirm that the way I was reading him was correct, which would in turn allow (as a whole) understand that I'm not just making shit up, I'm reading, paying attention and trying to figure this game out.
Actually I did answer and I sympathized with where you/killing/robik were all coming from in your meta scum read on me - However, I explained how that style really doesn't carry over into forum mafia because the voting mechanics are COMPLETELY different and said if you were town you should re-evaluate the meta read because it didn't make sense in this medium. On March 06 2014 02:19 boonetown wrote:
I am not, nor have I ever acted scummy in this thread, I might be nervous and I might have no idea what I'm doing (because, HI.. this is my first forum game) but I think I did an okay job.
That's bullshit. I sympathized with it being your first game, but your first few posts were scummy and the way you backlashed at everyone for calling it scummy came across as hyper-defensive and just read more scummy. When you started giving actual reads instead of arguing with people "not knowing how to read you", you did a good job, especially in this latest post, I was reading you less and less scummy from your conviction if nothing else. Now that you've claimed it's all moot but now that you're basically confirmed town it's important you townread me so that's my thoughts on the matter. Also, I agree with this 100%: On March 06 2014 02:31 boonetown wrote:
oats you're an idiot and that he's been so stupid that he has to be town because a mafia couldn't be that bad Right now I actually still like the VE lynch. I don't like how he reacted to my obvious joke in the QT and I still don't like his reason for voting me. On March 05 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
He also did something really scummy in the foundation chat (of which I am a part) in coming in and saying "I know both of you are scum, don't even talk to me" as his very first act. My first reaction to being chosen as one of the foundation thingys was "Hmm I guess I better go check the OP to see if it's possible scum are in here....looks like it's possible, better be careful" and I'm town. My first reaction was NOT that I was certain scum were allowed to be in the Foundation chat. The only people who should feel that way as their first reaction should be scum - because they know scum are allowed in the chat.
On March 05 2014 07:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2014 06:48 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2014 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Another Palmar thing I'm missing is stressing the importance of being read as town on D1 for all townies. I thought I covered that with my rant on how I needed you to look town as I couldn't count on other people looking town earlier in the day. At any rate, now that I look townie to you what do you think of GGTemp as a lynch? I'm pushing it not as an inactivity policy lynch, but based on the things he's said in the QT. I understand that's not super helpful to you, but considering what he HAS done in the thread, I can't imagine you opposing it. After I linked the actual QT thread info, do you guys honestly think what is in there is a viable reason to scumread/lynch someone? I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to killing austin today, but I wouldn't really endorse it either. If that's too tentative for you, deal with it, but I haven't really focused on him at all so he's pretty much dead-middle-null for me. Another lynch that is actually growing on me is the Killing one, specifically for two things Robik pointed out in his posts on two separate occasions which were really dumb 1. On March 05 2014 04:55 IAmRobik wrote:On March 05 2014 04:52 Killing wrote:
Also VE is really high in my town list, I liked what he had to say earlier and try to fix the fight between Robik and Dandel is probably townie.
Really? This is like the easiest thing in the world to do as mafia to get town credit if Dandelion and I are both town. This should be role neutral at best. 2. On March 06 2014 02:13 IAmRobik wrote:On March 06 2014 01:29 Killing wrote:
Hey guys, Sorry I lurked all of last night. The reason I unvoted GGtemplar was simply because of his gigantic post. When he's town in video mafia, he'll go into these long winded theories about who he thinks the mafia and why but when he's mafia he'll just do a quick explanation. I'm not saying that he couldn't do his gigantic post as scum but I think it's extremely unlikely.
I don't know what's going on with boone this game as it isn't her town or mafia play. Typically, she can project town extremely well as either alignment but in this game she's done a pretty bad job. I don't really know what was the deal with the QT stuff in regards to the game but outting it probably pushed her to more scummy in my eyes.
Also, I had austin as one of my strongest towns earlier in the game but I don't know where he's been for hours. Where u at?
Here are my updated reads:
Strong Town
Rob
Leaning Town:
Palmar
GGTemplar
JAT
Dandelion
Neutral
Grack
Oats
VE
Leaning Maf
Alakazam
Rayn
Strong Maf
Boone
I think that's all except austin. I didn't put him because I was reading him town before but now that he hasn't really said much which makes me more unsure of him. no idea where to put him. if anyone has any questions about any of my reads, just ask and i'll clarify
There's a contradiction in the bolded parts. You say that her play is off and you can't get a good feel on whether she is maf or town, but that you lean scum on her (by the end of that bolded paragraph), but then you list her under "STRONG MAF" reads. I am so wishy-washy on Boone right now, I think having her as "strong maf" is quite the stretch. Also, I still like my behavioral read of Dandelion this game trying to troll town (JAT/Robik) and cause chaos/confusion/misdirection. Those are really the 4 people I'm okay with voting today. If I had to prioritize them, it would be like this VE
Dandelion
Killing
AustinRayn/Oats need to work on reading comprehension but I can't really scumread them for constantly misreading my posts. Especially you Rayn, you read me right the past 2 games I played with you. If you're actually town you need to get off me. Still like Robik as my top town but I also like Grack a lot for being the only other person besides myself to call out VE on that QT shit. Kill for this post. Kill fo this post!!!!!! Killing was green earlier! Now when he is a lynch target he is scum. Kill kill kill!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger sums up your life on the forums
"Incapable of answering arguments" would describe you you fucking asshat! I adon't even feel bad saying this because you do that as mafia.
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YOU HAVE NOT EVEN ANSWERED MY CASE YOU JUST MADE A RETARDED MISQUOTE POST.
die scum.
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I don't give a fuck if i get modkilled but for the sake of my sanity i go do something else.
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just read posts and lynch mafia plz.
this guys should be called OMGUStemplar.
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wow, that was a bad night kill. Or good, depending on where you look from.
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
My work here is done.
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boone could you translate 98th post from the QT to the thread? I can't read austin.
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and by that i mean i literally can't understand what he says
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IAmRobik can you explain this:
Also, killing VE was so bad. I hope all mafia jumped onto VE there.
That's not what it looked like at the end of D1 based on your posts.
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On March 06 2014 07:20 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2014 07:18 IAmRobik wrote:On March 06 2014 07:07 austinmcc wrote:
Robik, if you believe Killing is ... curious/mafia, and my case or posts on him is/are good, then why vote DI, who is not getting lynched today? Cause I'm going to snipe vote the shit out of someone. Cause I'm town and I can do that type of shit and get away with it cause IDGAF about looking scummy (well I kinda do, but like, I'm super obv town so yah) Well, do you care about winning? I do. Very much so. Will vote how I feel is right. Want more information before I decide between VE/Joey.
On March 06 2014 07:34 IAmRobik wrote:
JAT, my homie, are you going to be changing your vote or are you sold on Temp being scum? I would much prefer a lynch out of Joey (killing) or VE.
On March 06 2014 07:47 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 07:43 IAmRobik wrote:
Joey was _NOT_ making up his reads. Stop it. To clarify....JOEY'S READS HAVEN'T EVEN CHANGED SINCE HE'S REEVALUATED. READ WHAT HE SAID AND READ HOW HE WAS CONVINCED HE NEEDED TO REREAD AND REEVALUATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE SAID HE WAS SO WRONG AND CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSIONS AS BEFORE.
Austin...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do me a favor and make a quick case against VE (even if you think Joey is more scummy)
All this doesn't really line up with "VE was a terrible lynch and Killing so good lynch!"
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Probably not form austin unless you suggest he had some secret role which was hidden on his flip.
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On March 07 2014 08:16 justanothertownie wrote:
I believe the other three DM players (boone, Robik, GG) to all be town. They have put in more effort than anyone else this game thus far. They all seem reasonable.
This Hari guy seems to read a different game than this.
Yeah lol
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EBWOP: read the scumgame and this game.
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On March 07 2014 08:22 justanothertownie wrote:
I see no reason why I should not post the rest of what happened in our qt although it isn't that much. Will do soon.
I am interested in what heppened in your QT. Who was the third guy there besides you and VE?
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Why do you think hie vote ended up on VE?
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I mean, has VE done something in QT?? Anything?
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On March 07 2014 08:31 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
boone could you translate 98th post from the QT to the thread? I can't read austin. you want me to translate it and copy paste the whole thing, breaking it down?also incoming post from me... i wrote it over the last 24 hours as a just in case i dont die... and i didnt. huzzah! sad about austin tho 
Yes please, but you are not able to just copy paste, you need to paraphrase.
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On March 07 2014 08:39 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 08:36 Alakaslam wrote:
Folks
HARI SELDON IS THE MAN WHO CREATED THE FOUNDATION
lol
Who here knows what foundation is? This is great flavor and it is flinging over everyone's head I am an idiot... just caught that. Um.. I hadn't thought to check out anything about the foundation until Austin brought it up in the QT and made some really interested points. I'm not ready to reveal that part of what he said tho, not yet anyway.
If you mean post 48 it's stupid setup specualtion and 100% wrong because VE already flipped and hosts would be lying.
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On March 07 2014 08:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
You can quote from qt's just don't include any posts from a host
Now i am sad you made me rewrite ~30 posts on D1.
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On March 07 2014 08:47 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 07 2014 08:39 boonetown wrote:On March 07 2014 08:36 Alakaslam wrote:
Folks
HARI SELDON IS THE MAN WHO CREATED THE FOUNDATION
lol
Who here knows what foundation is? This is great flavor and it is flinging over everyone's head I am an idiot... just caught that. Um.. I hadn't thought to check out anything about the foundation until Austin brought it up in the QT and made some really interested points. I'm not ready to reveal that part of what he said tho, not yet anyway. If you mean post 48 it's stupid setup specualtion and 100% wrong because VE already flipped and hosts would be lying. Yes, but just because part of it isn't true, doesn't mean part of it can't be true. I hope that made sense.
He basically suggests the foundation mason QT is mafia which cannot possibly be true based on OP (and VE flipping town).
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On March 07 2014 09:07 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
What' up now?
Are we lynching robik or Templar? why would we lynch robik?? lol
did you read my post?
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I dunno, maybe people are not around? I have a lynch in another game soon and i am pretty tired so i'm capable of thinking pretty well atm. There was something really odd in the mason QT JAT posted. I'll look more into it tomorrow.
Robik needs to explain his weird comment, that was really bad because it certainly does not line up with his thread posts from D1. I still think templar is the best lynch.
Also waiting for what Killing does when he actually does something.
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SEEE SLAM! I DID!
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Also Palmar said some dumb stuff about me.
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Apparently video mafia players just OMGUS people.
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I like this point the most:
I feel dumb for townreading Grack d1. I loved his point that he made against VE because I made the same point. So yes I liked him siding with me against VE, but it was literally a sheep read and now with VE flipping town, it looks even worse, especially when he pushed so hard on VE.
"I thought Grackaroni said something good but now that he was wrong it was not good but scummy instead. I did the same thing but me totes town of course".
Logic!
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I can't believe i need to tell you how a mafia game works.
As town you either make your own arguments why someone is mafia or pick the good arguments other people make and agree with them and disagree with bad arguments. What you are suggesting here is that you made an argument and Grackaroni agreed with it. Grackaroni used your argument to push a lynch on VE (something you failed to do yourself). Now that your argument was in fact wrong, because VE was town, that suddenly makes Grackaroni more likely to be mafia.
That can't possibly be true if you are town because being wrong does not make anyone mafia.
You are basically arguing that your argument was bad in the first place, because otherwise Grackaroni would have been following a good argument.
In fact that makes you mafia.
/get dunked kid
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Stop with your bullshit staw man shit already. The only thing you are able to do as mafia is discrediting other people for no good reasons as you do in this game. That's something that should be quite clear for anyone who reads the Really Small mafia game filter of yours.
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On March 07 2014 10:16 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:IAmRobik can you explain this: Also, killing VE was so bad. I hope all mafia jumped onto VE there. That's not what it looked like at the end of D1 based on your posts. I voted for Killing, not VE. The reason I asked Austin for a case against VE wasn't that I thought VE was mafia, but because I wasn't sure on Austin's role, and Austin's response was the towniest response in the entire fucking thread, especially after VE flipped town. If I were mafia, I would be like "fuck this, I'm not making a case against a random townie just cause you asked me to, especially after i made it clear that I kinda think he's town." But he took the time to actually fulfill the request for a random townie. SO yeah...I used that to decide Austin was town, not to decipher VE's alignment. ADDITIONALLY, I was hedging my bets against Boone's claim. If Boone claimed medic as mafia, she was voting VE over Killing. Thus I thought that voting for Joey would hedge my bets. If Boone is town, it doesn't mean that Killing is town or mafia, but if Boone is mafia then it's more likely for Killing to be mafia than VE. The push against Killing was super super scummy AND FINALLY: it's really fucking annoying cause I keep writing Joey and having to delete it and re-write Killing
Robik, in these posts:
On March 06 2014 07:20 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2014 07:18 IAmRobik wrote:On March 06 2014 07:07 austinmcc wrote:
Robik, if you believe Killing is ... curious/mafia, and my case or posts on him is/are good, then why vote DI, who is not getting lynched today? Cause I'm going to snipe vote the shit out of someone. Cause I'm town and I can do that type of shit and get away with it cause IDGAF about looking scummy (well I kinda do, but like, I'm super obv town so yah) Well, do you care about winning? I do. Very much so. Will vote how I feel is right. Want more information before I decide between VE/Joey.
On March 06 2014 07:34 IAmRobik wrote:
JAT, my homie, are you going to be changing your vote or are you sold on Temp being scum? I would much prefer a lynch out of Joey (killing) or VE.
On March 06 2014 07:47 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 07:43 IAmRobik wrote:
Joey was _NOT_ making up his reads. Stop it. To clarify....JOEY'S READS HAVEN'T EVEN CHANGED SINCE HE'S REEVALUATED. READ WHAT HE SAID AND READ HOW HE WAS CONVINCED HE NEEDED TO REREAD AND REEVALUATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE SAID HE WAS SO WRONG AND CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSIONS AS BEFORE.
Austin...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do me a favor and make a quick case against VE (even if you think Joey is more scummy)
...you definitely do not think Killing is a good lynch and VE is "terrible".
What happened after this that made VE go to "terrible" lynch? I am well aware you voted for Killing but again, what you said at the start of D2 does not line up with your posts on D1.
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So basically you said "Killing is mafia because it's possible that boone is mafia aswell" and that somehow made VE super bad lynch? wtf? And you don't say any of this on D1, only AFTER the lynch?
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And why the fuck you keep calling me out for "going after easy lynches" because you are super good player and obviously you can read me so well in your opinion, so you can't possibly be an easy lynch.
Can you make some real arguments if you think i am mafia?
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On March 07 2014 11:50 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So basically you said "Killing is mafia because it's possible that boone is mafia aswell" and that somehow made VE super bad lynch? wtf? And you don't say any of this on D1, only AFTER the lynch? It looked like Joey was going to get lynched and then there was a shady late push from Dandelion and Palmar. I mean, if Joey is town, then it doesn't matter too much, but if he's maf, the votes are very telling. No one cares about how the voting went down?
Of course i do. That's what i am trying to do here. I don't know Killing's alignment so i can't make conclusions based on assumptions he is town/mafia because they are nothing but WIFOM.
What i saw is that you did consider between VE/Killing, you didn't push either of the lynches, and now you are calling VE terrible lynch, which your posting at the end of D1 definitely does not back up. I am trying to figure out why you didn't push the lynch you thought was the best if - as you now claim - the other lynch was terrible.
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Hey Palmar what's your read on ggtemplar?
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On March 07 2014 19:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Palmar what's your read on ggtemplar? His consistency in yelling at you that you're scum seems somewhat genuine. On a general note I think his stance is too controversial for him to be mafia.
Did you read the game i posted? His scumgame.. where he acts just like this, attacks people and not their arguments and calls everyone who calls him scum mafia.
Nevermind, i'll make a case tonight if people don't even bother to investigate anything themselves.
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JAT do you agree with the statement that in the end VE did not think ggtemplar is mafia?
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Yeah that's right. Fucking VE, why does he have to be so wishy-washy on everything. I hav no idea what he actually thought because after that he wants to shoot templar and the QT does not suggest he has a townread on him. Also he never commented on my case. ugh..
anyways i am still going to write the case tonight.
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ehh... it's weird but i think he could do that either as town or mafia. I don't like him not wanting to lead and then saying he doesn't want me to lead either.
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He's like throwing it out there that he does not trust me (idk why because he never says why) and he doesn't offer a solution for a leader - like Dandel, you, etc... Seems uncharacteristic from Palmar.
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And all this happens after he killed VE who is a possible leader..
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oops wrong thread. haha..
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Can you explain the "easy targets" part?
Other than that i agree.
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Have you ever been in a game where i am scum Palmar?
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On March 07 2014 21:54 Dandel Ion wrote:Before templar did anything. Once he did something he just dropped him because he knew the other newbies would see through it easily. I'm easy because he can excuse lack of actual reason for me with the mod warning and never talk about me again (like he did what a surprise) rayn is easy because I know it's super easy to call him scum (i kinda do it too and nothing happened because of it so i can first hand confirm how easy it is) After that he sheeps someone on Killing (who I don't think I have to explain why he's an easy target) and just never lets go. And that's it.
I generally don't like people bringing up the "easy targets" argument because "easy targets" can also be mafia, like kush and sidesprang/Slam in Default suspicion mafia. Someone being a lynchbait or easy target does not make them mafia, but to elaborate:
I agree on templar. However that might be to pressure him because they know each other from video mafia. I specifically agree on the part that he dropped him as a suspect because i don't think templar has done anything townie in this game and his play lines up with his scumplay.
I agree on you. If all the people who know you well enough and have played with you call you town some alarm bells should ring in his head, especially when he does not really have any argument on you other than "he calls me mafia".
I agree on myself too. I know i am an easy target to call scum and people are generally more suspicous of me when i am town than when i am mafia. There are very few people who actually know what makes me mafia and i can tell you if i was scum i would have taken far more control over the town especially considering the playerbase in this game. Again, he does not seem to have any real arguments why i am mafia, he just calls me mafia which is scummy.
On Killing i am not so sure. I totally get his point about the contradiction, but the thing is it's not only mafia that contradicts themself and to be honest what does mafia!Killing gain in calling boone not mafia and then calling her mafia? At least half of the town at that time thought boone was mafia and given Killing's conclusion (boone best lynch) why not just be consistent in his read? Of course it's possible that he jsut fucked up his thought process as scum in one post but that's not usually what mafia does because they are more careful in what they post. I have VERY RARELY seen mafia contradict themselves in single post like that. I don't understand why robik just decides Killing is mafia based on that and does not investigate that any further, especially given that he was weighing the lynch between VE/Killing at the eod1.
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iam 3pm, you world clock is definitely broken slamdunk
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I know you don't, i was just curious and wanted to check that out if it had happened.
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Do you seriously think Dandel is mafia?
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On March 07 2014 21:39 Dandel Ion wrote:Robik is scum and by far the best lynch today. - Only goes after easy targets
- Tries to shift blame for the day1 mislynch like a boss just because the mislynch he was on didn't get through (just look at what he said about the VE lynch yesterday in comparison to what he's saying today)
- His reads are clearly fake because they don't change naturally like they would if he was town
- They also are only made to fit the 'conclusions' he's trying to push, he decided what his conclusio is first and then posts things that support it ignoring everything that doesn't.
Because bitches love this shit I'm even gonna give you a prime example: Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 12:37 IAmRobik wrote:GGTeMpLaR
03-06-2014
03:05 PM ET (US)
yea you make a good point actually..
if Dandel is mafia he can leave his vote on me and not get suspicion for hammering VE. I disagree with you regarding dandelion vote. I had forgotten that his vote was on you. He was clearly around from what I remember and if he left his vote on a person that wasn't one of the top 2 wagons, that would have looked extraordinarily scummy. I'm extraordinarily scummy for changing my vote last minute. However, I would also have been extraordinarily scummy for not changing my vote. What does that mean? That Robik doesn't think about the game. He's decided to act like he's decided I'm mafia, so now everything ever in the whole world has to mean I'm mafia. Ignoring the fact that I'm confirmed town times 20. He does the same thing to Killing. Just yells mafia, not even trying to figure out whether that's true or not. vote et al
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Why don't you want to policy lynch the shit out of this Palmar?
You know that's not going to stop.
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##unvote:
##vote: IAmRobik
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Killing what do you mean by this?
I'm still forming ideas on the other 2 but I want to put this post out there for now so it allows people to read me better and to read my cases as well. I'm gonna watch a tv show real quick to refresh my brain ok brb.
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On March 08 2014 02:40 IAmRobik wrote:
Hey Rayn, why do you refuse to acknowledge that my reaction to Dandelion is the same as my reaction to you in GSL?
It does not maen anything. I also get mad at people who i think are stupid as town and as scum and it's not alignment indicative.
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But i gotta tell you if you are town it's extremely unhelpful and distracting and i WILL policy lynch for it.
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I have never said it is not similar.
I am saying it is not alignment indicative.
Stop twisting my words.
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On March 08 2014 02:47 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2014 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But i gotta tell you if you are town it's extremely unhelpful and distracting and i WILL policy lynch for it. So because you were scum that game it was fine of you to do it and bad of me to do it?I'm town this game. I have the same reaction cause I'm tired of being pushed on for stupid fucking reasons. I ACTIVELY TRIED TO AVOID FLIPPING OUT ON D1, so I made a case on him and then let it be. I know I'm town, so the fact that you are choosing to vote me over him is a HUGE red flag in my eyes. I _KNOW_ it's not helpful. That's why I tried to avoid it for the longest fucking time. Then he went and couldn't get his head unstuck from up his own ass. Dandelion is either doing this on purpose because he's just like that or he's mafia purposefully shitting up the thread. I am biased because I know I'm town. I would be happy to not focus at all on Dandelion, but like, if there's gonna be pressure on me and I have to spend the day defending myself based off an accusation that I already ripped to shreds for how wrong it is, only to have the person who made the argument say that I didn't respond to it, NO SHIT I'm gonna get irritated.
Yes, that's what i am saying because it distracts town.
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and i knew people will not lynch me for it.
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On February 26 2014 09:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:edit. doitdoitdoit
Second post. I was town. Case dunked.
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Also Robik i don't know if you are talking shit but i can't possibly use meta on you when i have never seen you play as mafia before, so i have no idea how you come to a conclusion that i "should be able to clear you because of meta".
That argument is just wrong and you should know it yourself.
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Here's something for you to consider.
I am town this game, i am playing totally different than in GSL game so you should be able to tell i am town because i am. You can't, so you are mafia. See what i did there? That's basically what your arguments are.
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Yeah and that's my point. There is only one person on this forum who can reliably tell if i am mafia or not and that's not you because i post the exact same way as mafia and as town. so if you want to call me mafia you need to give something else than "he used a smiley trololol" because that's not a tell.
So, if you think i am mafia look at the content i have posted and tell me where is the mafia agenda in my posts and i bury you to the ground because you are wrong.
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On March 08 2014 06:49 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2014 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here's something for you to consider.
I am town this game, i am playing totally different than in GSL game so you should be able to tell i am town because i am. You can't, so you are mafia. See what i did there? That's basically what your arguments are. Except you're not playing differently. You're attacking me for shitty reasons and you're being stubborn and pushing on "easy" lynches...which is what you thought I was in that game because I was new, and kinda what you think of me this game, but for the different reason that you saw that some people wanted me lynched. I HAVE seen your mafia game. I know that you like to keep your options open for possible mislynches and you like to leave the least towniest people alive so that you can try to get them mislynched. You have 0 concern for PR hunting and worry about taking out people that think you're scummy or that have strong reads on others or you think are good players.
So based on this post i am town. Because i do not keep my options open, i call people i think are town town, i DEFINITELY in this game, am not trying to "leave the least towniest people alive". Because you are scummy as fuck, templar is scummy as fuck, and you are the people i think are mafia. You are suggesting i killed austin, a fucking dude who nearly everyone thought is mafia, including me.
Your argument stinks, and it stinks so fucking hard.
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I have confirmed it even before Oats made the post.
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A couple of things. I just went through Grackaroni's filter because of the comment Oats made about him going after Slam. Oats do you know something i don't? You need to explain the comment. Also where the fuck does Grackaroni "agree with templar's case on VE" like he suggests? Explain.
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Where the hell is Grack trying to lynch Slam??? Have i missed something?
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Like i literally read all Grack's posts three times and he calls Slam town, not mafia...
what the hell Oats?
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Grack has done more than most of the players in this game.
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For example there are currently a total of 2 players who have a stance on the lynch based on an actual case.
Nobody besides me and Dandel has done anything on D2. Robs vote is pure OMGUS and his reads are based on absolutely nothing game relevant so he does not count.
At least Grack pushed a lynch on D1, same can't be said from many players this game.
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JAT let me ask you this;
Who would you say has put us more close to lynching mafia on D2 than Grack? Like, who has contributed more towards lynching mafia than Grack has on D2?
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On March 09 2014 00:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
I raise my hand
Yeah me too but other hands should not raise imo.
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Oats do you think Grack is more likely to lead the town than for example Palmar is?
Also do you think Palmar has lead the town more than Grack has this game?
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On March 09 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT let me ask you this;
Who would you say has put us more close to lynching mafia on D2 than Grack? Like, who has contributed more towards lynching mafia than Grack has on D2? Everyone that posted some kind of opinion on anything. I don't even want to argue with you about if day2 has been good so far but that you are defending grack for "nobody else has been really good" is just ridiculous.
I am not defending Grack, i am trying to get a better read on you and Oats because your thought process clearly does not line up with mine and i want to know where this sudden "Grack is mafia" is coming from. Because i don't see it, Oats' reasoning for Grack being scum was bullshit in the first place and when he was called out for it he went "oh yeah you are right but Grack still scum for this other reason i didn't bring up in the first place" which is also bullshit.
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Oats do you really think Grackaroni is the scummiest person in this game at this moment?
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On March 09 2014 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 09 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT let me ask you this;
Who would you say has put us more close to lynching mafia on D2 than Grack? Like, who has contributed more towards lynching mafia than Grack has on D2? Everyone that posted some kind of opinion on anything. I don't even want to argue with you about if day2 has been good so far but that you are defending grack for "nobody else has been really good" is just ridiculous. I am not defending Grack, i am trying to get a better read on you and Oats because your thought process clearly does not line up with mine and i want to know where this sudden "Grack is mafia" is coming from. Because i don't see it, Oats' reasoning for Grack being scum was bullshit in the first place and when he was called out for it he went "oh yeah you are right but Grack still scum for this other reason i didn't bring up in the first place" which is also bullshit. bullshit and totally false are different things. Why are you comparing both reasons when 1 is just completely wrong?
Because the new reason you came up with does not make him mafia. Pushing a lynch on a townie does not make anyone mafia, and when Grackaroni makes cases as scum they are not one liners like his "case" on VE. Do you disagree with this?
On March 09 2014 00:14 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 09 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT let me ask you this;
Who would you say has put us more close to lynching mafia on D2 than Grack? Like, who has contributed more towards lynching mafia than Grack has on D2? Everyone that posted some kind of opinion on anything. I don't even want to argue with you about if day2 has been good so far but that you are defending grack for "nobody else has been really good" is just ridiculous. I am not defending Grack, i am trying to get a better read on you and Oats because your thought process clearly does not line up with mine and i want to know where this sudden "Grack is mafia" is coming from. Because i don't see it, Oats' reasoning for Grack being scum was bullshit in the first place and when he was called out for it he went "oh yeah you are right but Grack still scum for this other reason i didn't bring up in the first place" which is also bullshit. What I said is that it is very possible that he is scum and I think so because everything he did was a push on a townie day1. So you are sure that Grack is town?
I am not sure but i think he is more likely to be town than mafia.
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EBWOP: And i was not calling your second reason bullshit (while i think it's a bad reason), i was calling the evolution of your posts and how you ended up from the first one to the second one bullshit. Like:
"grack mafia because x"
"but that's not true"
"oh yeah, but hey, grack still mafia because of y"
It looks more like you are making things up on the fly and have decided to call Grack mafia before you have the reasons, because if you had a legit scumread you had given the reason y in the first place if that makes him mafia.
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On March 09 2014 00:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn can you say why you think Grack is more likely to be town than mafia instead of repeating the same thing over and over?
I don't see him pushing any agenda which he usually does as mafia. He seems just disinterested for whatever reason.
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On March 09 2014 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 09 2014 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2014 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 09 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT let me ask you this;
Who would you say has put us more close to lynching mafia on D2 than Grack? Like, who has contributed more towards lynching mafia than Grack has on D2? Everyone that posted some kind of opinion on anything. I don't even want to argue with you about if day2 has been good so far but that you are defending grack for "nobody else has been really good" is just ridiculous. I am not defending Grack, i am trying to get a better read on you and Oats because your thought process clearly does not line up with mine and i want to know where this sudden "Grack is mafia" is coming from. Because i don't see it, Oats' reasoning for Grack being scum was bullshit in the first place and when he was called out for it he went "oh yeah you are right but Grack still scum for this other reason i didn't bring up in the first place" which is also bullshit. bullshit and totally false are different things. Why are you comparing both reasons when 1 is just completely wrong? Because the new reason you came up with does not make him mafia. Pushing a lynch on a townie does not make anyone mafia, and when Grackaroni makes cases as scum they are not one liners like his "case" on VE. Do you disagree with this? On March 09 2014 00:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2014 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 09 2014 00:10 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT let me ask you this;
Who would you say has put us more close to lynching mafia on D2 than Grack? Like, who has contributed more towards lynching mafia than Grack has on D2? Everyone that posted some kind of opinion on anything. I don't even want to argue with you about if day2 has been good so far but that you are defending grack for "nobody else has been really good" is just ridiculous. I am not defending Grack, i am trying to get a better read on you and Oats because your thought process clearly does not line up with mine and i want to know where this sudden "Grack is mafia" is coming from. Because i don't see it, Oats' reasoning for Grack being scum was bullshit in the first place and when he was called out for it he went "oh yeah you are right but Grack still scum for this other reason i didn't bring up in the first place" which is also bullshit. What I said is that it is very possible that he is scum and I think so because everything he did was a push on a townie day1. So you are sure that Grack is town? I am not sure but i think he is more likely to be town than mafia. I don't know what kind of cases Grack makes as mafi because I never played with mafia grack if I am not mistaken. Why are you attacking me for entertaining the possibility of this if you yourself aren't sure about him?
Because i have read his filter and you and Oats are just flip-flopping around. If you think Grack is mafia ask him questions, make him participate, or make a case. This is going nowhere with what you are doing.
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Then make a case!
What the fuck are you trying to gain from this discussion? Do something that counts! This day has been shit because noone does anything, just flip-flops around.
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I don't have to prove somebody is town. You have to prove he is mafia if you think so.
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I have my vote on the person i want to lynch in case you have not noticed.
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There is no counter-case so i expect people to vote for Robik unless they make a case on someone.
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No it doesn't. But i can't lynch more than one person / day.
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And at this point i am doing shit. I am provoking you and JAT do do shit because you seem to think Grack is mafia, but you are not interested in pushing a lynch on him. So, wtf is up with that?
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On March 09 2014 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no counter-case so i expect people to vote for Robik unless they make a case on someone. Thats so dumb rayn. Are you dumb rayn?
Tell me what i am supposed to do? Make a counter-case to a case that's on my top scumread and argue with myself that my #2 scumread is more likely to be mafia than my #1 scumread?
really Oats?
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On March 09 2014 00:30 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have my vote on the person i want to lynch in case you have not noticed. And you really think scumrobik would put himself in the spotlight like that? He could never have thought that he would win if the lynch is between him and dandel. On top of that he attacked you for some very weak reasons (yeah, the act in itself is scummy but who does that when he knows that you will tear it to shreds later on?). This is suicidal scumplay.
There is a reasonable case on him. His defence does not answer the accusation. His reads are based on nothing. He gets unreasonably mad. Those all are things i don't see a townie do.
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On March 09 2014 00:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
So calling him scummy and a vote on him isnt a push? Ok rayn.
You dont seem interested in getting us to vote for Robik. So hypocrisy at its best.
What's the case on Grack?
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I need a break. Seriously if this is how this game is gonna go there is no reason for me to post anything. For fucks sake people arguing against a clear case with no alternative. rofl
see you in few hours..
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Oats is probably mafia. He knows me better than this.
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On March 09 2014 00:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Why did you say this then rayn? Show nested quote +On March 08 2014 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why don't you want to policy lynch the shit out of this Palmar?
You know that's not going to stop. If you think robik is scum?
Because that was before he made some posts that were not only "RAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGERAGE".
wtf, read the thread.
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Also it is a question to Palmar, it has nothing to do with if i think it's a policy lynch or not. Fuck you, you are trying to twist my argument into something that it isn't. I know Palmar, as town, loves to policy lynch a shit out of that kinda behavior. I was wondering why, in this case, he didn't want to do so.
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It is impossible to argue with you Oats because you don't think asingle bit when you read people's posts. You just see what you want to see. Or you are mafia. So if you are not mafia, please try to THINK FOR A LITTLE BIT why people post what they do.
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On March 09 2014 00:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 00:44 Alakaslam wrote:On March 09 2014 00:30 justanothertownie wrote:On March 09 2014 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have my vote on the person i want to lynch in case you have not noticed. And you really think scumrobik would put himself in the spotlight like that? He could never have thought that he would win if the lynch is between him and dandel. On top of that he attacked you for some very weak reasons (yeah, the act in itself is scummy but who does that when he knows that you will tear it to shreds later on?). This is suicidal scumplay. Which makes it WIFOM which makes it a smart move. Not if he could just avoid the whole thing altogether. Good that you are here slam - you think we should lynch robik today? Why?
The point is he can't if he is mafia and can't reasonably answer the case.
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You said it yourself at some point. If the case is so bad why could robik just debunk it?
Why start a flamewar?
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On March 09 2014 00:53 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You said it yourself at some point. If the case is so bad why could robik just debunk it?
Why start a flamewar? I know I said that and I still think the case itself is really good. Sorry, that I am trying to gather more information and am willing to consider different explanations than "he is mafia, gg".
Fair enough. That's reasonable.
I just happen to know from personal experience that's a perfectly valid mafia strategy when you get caught. I use it all the time against marv, when i am caught i just distract the town leaders for the rest of my time in the game because i can't answer the case. I've done it many times, and to me his behavior looks more likely to come from mafia and i can't find any reasoning why he would do that as town.
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To answer Oats' "case":
On March 09 2014 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
(1): Throughout this whole game, I havent felt like Rayn really wanted to solve the game and thats one of my biggest problems with him.
Also contradictory.
[...]
(2): He doesnt try and convince anyone to vote for GGTemp here but just a while ago, he asked us to make a case/convince people on Grack if we wanted to move votes. Actions dont match his words.
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(3): he totally drops this read in favor of lynching GGtemp, never really talks to Grack about lynch VE, the top propnent towards his lynch. Basically it doesnt look like he wants to find scum, just push people who look bad.
1) I have tried to solve the game. I have had clear reads and i have given reasoning for my reads. All game long.
2) This is not true (see (3) for more details). Also the situation here is completely different. Here we have 7,5 hours until lynch, there are 3 people who have voted and one real case. At the time you quoted my post we were ~24h into the game, you can't compare these situations because 24h before the deadline you don't need to necessarily push a lynch. I was waiting on other people to give their opinions, because as it has happened many times, if i am wrong on D1 people just sheep my case, we mislynch and there is no information to gain. At that time I wanted more opinions and there is nothing wrong/scummy in that.
3) Complete misrepresentation of my D1. I never dropped my read on GGtemplar. My vote ended up on him. That in itself proves you wrong. Also you said i did not push his lynch. That's not true. After boone claimed madic i made a huge fucking case on templar and every single one of my posts on D1 after that was pushing templar lynch forward. at the time i went to sleep (my last post)...
On March 06 2014 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
just read posts and lynch mafia plz.
this guys should be called OMGUStemplar.
.. he was a vote leader tied with Killing.
Also you are saying "i am not trying to find scum, just pushing people who look bad". I don't know what you mean by "people who look bad". I push people whose actions do not make sense from town perspective. Of course scum "look bad" BECAUSE THAY ARE MAFIA! PEOPLE WHO LOOK BAD ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE MAFIA OATS!!! People who do not make sense are more likely to be mafia. seriously, do you even know what makes people mafia???
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Oats this is a real question:
Did you even read my posts from D1 when you made that "case"?
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On March 09 2014 01:49 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok rayn, but you are really only pushing one lynch (yesterday it was templar - why is he not your lynch today btw?, today it is robik) and it doesn't seem like you are trying to figure anything out besides that. You aren't questioning people the way I would expect you to.
If robik continues what he is doing now, maybe shows some interest in scumhunting i am willing to consider someone else as a lynch, templar/Killing. The PYP game was much more interesting than this one on D1 and i had already made my case on who i believed to be mafia and i don't like repeating myself. I expect people to read my posts. I don't understand what you mean by "questioning people the way i would expect you to" so i can't really answer that.
On March 09 2014 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
I literally mean 'look bad' there. Look bad could be lynchbait.
And it looks like GGtemp is town.
Why didnt you talk to Grack about VE?
Please Oats, never ever bring up the lynchbait argument when you are talking to me. I lynch people who are scummy, i don't give a fuck if they are lynchbaits as town or whatever, because lynchbaits can also be mafia. I just lynched Corazon in Survivor game, which you were in. He was scummy as fuck, you could argue he was a "lynchbait", i don't care. I lynch people who are scummy. I don't understand what i was supposed to talk to Grack about VE? I wanted to lynch templar, why would i talk about VE?
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On March 09 2014 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because you said you also could lynch VE and Grack was the VE pusher. Wasnt there any kinda moment where you were, "so VE or GGtemp?".
You clearly dont get my lynchbait point, Im saying that you are finding shit that looks bad at first glance rather than finding shit that makes someone scum rather than bad town.
Green part: Based on one post, yes. ggtemplar made an equally bad post regarding the situation. VE gave an explanation to the post. templar didn't. templar was scummier than VE before that. wtf? No, there was no "VE or templar" moment, as i clearly said when i wrote "VOTE STANDS" in the post you quoted. I made it bold and all caps so you can't misrepresent it any more.
Red part: That's not true. Show me where i have done so, because i have not.
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BECAUS PEOPLE WHO LOOK BAD ARE USUALLY MAFIA!
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY OATS?
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SHOULD I BE LYNCHING THE TOWNIEST PEOPLE? WHAT?
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jesus christ i need a break...
JAT please post when you are back. You seem to be level-headed, let's figure this shit out.
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also btw i have to leave 23:00 my time which is 4h from now and i can only be semi-here after that so asap would be good.
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##unvote
##vote Killing
For now. I like this:
I would probably lynch Killing (promised to prove he is town and didn't do so)
At least Robik is here and trying to do stuff.
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Stil lwaiting for the explanation on that one btw.
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On March 09 2014 02:47 justanothertownie wrote:
You aren't really questioning people besides your lynch target. What is there to explain?
Well that's entirely false.
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Palmar you are either scum or playing a really bad game if you seriously consider that i am mafia.
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On March 09 2014 02:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar you are either scum or playing a really bad game if you seriously consider that i am mafia. I'm not scum, so help me out here. Do you agree with my list of townies? Do you agree Oats/Jat are town and boone should be treated as town?
Yes, i agree with JAT & Oats, i'll give you even more since the day is so shit.
I'm gonna play a couple of games of BW with Artanis, then i make cases on templar / Killing and then we decide which one of those guys we lynch (add robik here). We need to find a lynch, this is not gonna end well if this keeps going on like this.
It's highly unlike they are all 3 scum, but i am quite sure 2 of them is. I have no idea who the third one is.
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Dandel and Slam also strong townreads for me.
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GGTeMpLaR i thought you said you don't know if Killing is town or not. If i am your top scumread why are you voting for the dude your top scumread is voting for?
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So you think i am bussing him?
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The problem is you didn't do anything to push the lynch despite bringing up a good point on him.
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fuck it i am just gonna go play voice mafia, i think this is a good lynch.
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On March 09 2014 05:58 IAmRobik wrote:
Oh, one more thing. The fact that no one (or at least no one that I noticed) has brought up anything with regards to new foundations QT is super weird. I think it's VERY VERY anti-town to not mention people who are in a QT, which we know there should be one based off of the mod post describing the game.
The QT has been posted in thread..
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On March 09 2014 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is you didn't do anything to push the lynch despite bringing up a good point on him. I don't give a fuck. I voted him at the end and anyone that plays with me knows that I'm not very good at pushing lynches. I've even mentioned it this game that my forte is putting out my thoughts and being right and just having people do the pushing for me and me agreeing or disagreeing based off of that. It's a weakness in my game. That doesn't make me mafia.
You know, as town, about 70% of the game is about you getting people to listen to you. You are not a fucking noob, you know this. If you can't convince people about your reads you are useless, unless you sheep the right people.
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Anyone who thinks i would kill Oats as scum is retarded.
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On March 10 2014 17:50 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 15:10 IAmRobik wrote:
Also, I read both messages, I very much doubt that Hari is "fictitious." You can tell that what's written is done so in the nighttime, as it doesn't have information on the night kills. I agree with this. The only problem I have is that I'm not entirely certain of Hari's alignment, but if he is mafia he has done a good job of continuity with the Slam plotline. If you read his day 2 post, he mentions Slam being completely unreadable which makes perfect sense with him checking Slam on n1. The good news is that if he's cop, we will get another check on day 3 no matter what, as messages are almost certainly written at nighttime. Sort of hoping he checks me.
If the cop is real there is most likely a godfather and/or framer in the game or they are one-shot. Normal cop with an ability to publicly announce his last check the following night is OP without mafia powers to fuck with it. Especially given there are random masons. Btw the mason group between me, boone and austin is permanent. This is what i wrote there @ N2 end:
I think JAT is quite obviously town. He's been curious about people's motives and reasoning behind their posts all game long. Same can be said about Oats. While his case on me D2 was laughably terrible that's what he does as town. He was also the first on to vote for Killing. I still think you are town but i honeslty have to say i don't follow you pretty well in thread.
I need to revist my opinion on Dandel and Slam. If i look at them purely by their actions they could be mafia. However i have never seen Dandel put this much effort into the game as town. When he is mafia he just does not post and basically scumclaims. Mayyyyybe Slam could be mafia, ugh idunno. Last game i caught him instantly when he started posting, and it was totally different from his towngames, he tries too hard as mafia and cares about how he looks.
What i just said about Slam applies to Grack. Grack busses, a lot. While he hasn't done much this game he is not pushing mafia agenda. He can get bored as town, but i have never seen him do that as scum. If he somehow is scum there is most likely a vocal scumplayr, but that looks quite unlike to me atm (jsut because people who are vocal and actually do something and push the thread forward are me/JAT/Oats, especially on D2).
Palmar is an enigma. I have no idea what he is doing. He is either not trying at all (which he unfortunately can do as town) or he is mafia. There is just nothing to say about him because i can't form a read on him as he is just.. doing nothing. He is one of the best players on TL when he wants to be and one of the worst (lol) when he doesn't try.. I fucking hate his ply this game if he is town.
One of templar/robik is mafia. I am really really sure of it. Neither of them is acting proactively, they are defensive, do not ask any questions from anyone and are not trying to push the town to right direction. While Robik had some good observations on Killing on D1 he did nothing to push a lynch on him, he just sat back with his vote. Definitely not scum with Dandel. templar is more likely to be mafia from those two. All he does is flings shit on people (qhich is what he does as scum), he has no good arguments and his stance on Killing is really really really fishy throughout all game. Before D1 end he puts Killing as his 4th suspect (why the fuck??) as a "backup scum", on D2 start he says Killing is probably not mafia and he considers him/rob/you in like "one of them is scum but i don't really give a fuck which one", he never does anything to that suspicion, never trieds to push his higher scumreads, and later on just sheeps a vote on Killing, who his top scumread (me) is already voting for. That does not make ANY sense at all. On top of that i made a case on him on D1, he never answered the case. He gave no reasonable answers to any of the points i brought up, that's also EXACTLY what he does as mafia.
This Boone's post is directed to me in the mason QT and it's her reads on N1 end:
I truly think I'm going to die tonight so this is the best place for me to get my shit out there I guess.
I think there is a mafia between Palmar and Dandel. I hate how they changed their vote literally in the last minute of the lynch from KILLING/TEMPLAR to VE, ensuring his death. If there is one between the two, I'm certain it's Dandel. Now, I have flip flopped a LOT on Oats and JAT, and so, other than Grack whom i think is mafia, the other possible mafia is JAT imo. I reread joey's filter and he tries really hard not to talk to, or about either of them. JAT is mentioned more than Grack but still very seldom. Templar and Robert are town in my eyes, You're my biggest question mark but I have thought you were town for this long, I dont want to get paranoid and change that read. Alakaslam is another WTF for me but if I had to make an opinion of him on the spot, it would be town. So to sum it up, I think that Dandel, Grack and JAT are most likely scum, with Palmar trailing at the end.
Here is the full QT:
+ Show Spoiler +austinmcc 03-03-2014 06:20 PM ET (US) OH CRAP HOW ARE WE GONNA POST PAINT PICS HERE? OR GET ANYTHING DONE IF WE'RE JUST SUSPICIOUS OF EACH OTHER ALL GAME. OR READ THIS QT CUZ IT WILL PROBABLY END UP VERY LARGE. AKAEHRKLAHFKAERJHEAR Anyway, also hi to killing. rayn and I always seem to be suspicious of each other, especially when we're both town. We'll see if things play out differently this game. austinmcc 03-03-2014 06:22 PM ET (US) Since nothing is going on, random musings and suspicions about QT. Possible there's a mafia member in here, UNLIKELY that you guys are both mafia. Possible we want to bring this QT to the attention of the thread, but at least FOR NOW, I'm happy to keep it a secret and see if we can use it at all. Secret QT = distraction, and it's possible we can use this to push lynches we agree on without it distracting thread. (in the first place it was announced Killing was in the group with me and austin instead of boonetown and host corrected it, that's why austin's confusing posts)austinmcc 03-03-2014 06:25 PM ET (US) Well, hi boonetown and NOT killing. We also haven't played together, so same thing. I've only been half paying attention lately, you just played in a game or two, right? raynpelikoneet 03-03-2014 08:57 PM ET (US) Hi austin! Why no pictures in thread? Also any early reads? boonetown 03-03-2014 09:17 PM ET (US) Well hello!!! Got a late start on this, my apologies! austinmcc 03-03-2014 10:14 PM ET (US) /m6 Adding pictures to nonsense thread is bad idea. No real early reads. Palmar is a non-issue for today imo, we watch his N1/D2 or so, unless he's ridiculously inactive today. No reads atm. Would like to kill Slam and Grack in order to get a more legible thread, but not because they're scummy. raynpelikoneet 03-04-2014 04:32 AM ET (US) Did you read my posts in thread? Especially the second one? raynpelikoneet 03-04-2014 05:16 AM ET (US) I have a question ustin. Do you think it's a good idea to use this QT yet? raynpelikoneet 03-04-2014 05:17 AM ET (US) EBWOP: austin boonetown 03-04-2014 12:17 PM ET (US) I absolutely think this should be talked about, in fact i posted about it. I feel like this mason group isn't going to help town. Rayn I think you're great and I feel like you're town, Austin, I don't have much to say to you at this point in time, but I don't think you're trying to help town at all. austinmcc 03-04-2014 12:51 PM ET (US) I think it's a good idea to use this QT. I don't have anything PARTICULAR in mind as far as what we use it for. It CAN be useful for more than discussion, but right now I think it's just a nice discussion tool and not used for setting up plays, etc. austinmcc 03-04-2014 12:54 PM ET (US) Oh wtf. Just got to you posting about the mason group. I think that's a spectacularly bad idea, because town is not helped at all by knowing there's a mason group at this point. Town goes "okay," and scum goes "well now we can watch these players a little harder" (if they weren't already in the mason group) Why reveal? austinmcc 03-04-2014 01:32 PM ET (US) ROUGH GUT BUT COULD BE BEING MINDGAMES JAT not scum if anyone in here is scum. Easy to fake curiousity and ask questions, but I dunno that he'd think of it and he seems GENUINELY frustrated and curious about things. austinmcc 03-04-2014 01:39 PM ET (US) Plz do answer in here what you think town gains from being told about the QT. And maybe what scum gains. And why town gains more than scum. Or something. I'm really interested in your reasoning behind revealing to get a better read on you. boonetown 03-04-2014 02:16 PM ET (US) I revealed for a few reasons, one is because I need town to trust me, and letting them know about this seemed like a great way for them to do so. At this point in time, they do not know that it is a permanent QT, and maybe that is something that you would like to tell them? Right now, all of town is against me and they need to not me, I can be very helpful and useful further into this game. I am frustrated because I sincerely didn't realize how hard a forum game would be, and how easily words would be taken the wrong way. I am looking scummier by the second and I know this... so what do I do? I did what I thought would be best. If that upset you, I'm sorry but I think they should know about this group. The specifics might not be as important as the knowledge we exist. austinmcc 03-04-2014 02:32 PM ET (US) If town don't trust you and you're town, you just play. You hunt scum, you do whatever you think is good for town, and you'll look townier. I guess...I don't think revealing the QT makes town trust you. You drop this weird thing into thread, people will talk about it, but ... why would you doing that make you appear townie? What does town GAIN from knowing about this QT? I'm not going to tell them permanent, I 100% don't think we should, as that is GOOD information for scum to know (there's a group of perma-masons) and doesn't actually help town imo. If you're town, don't worry at all about me being upset or anything. It's a silly game, and in 10 hours I'll have forgotten and will be posting paint pics of why rayn is scum and smelly and whatever. If you're scum, still don't worry about upsetting me. No worries no worries. (Except if scum you should be worried because we gonna lynch your team) austinmcc 03-04-2014 02:49 PM ET (US) Boone, are you still as townie on Palmar as you were previously? boonetown 03-04-2014 02:54 PM ET (US) I want Palmar to post more, to maintain his townyness, but for now I have no reason to take him off the list just yet. He's a little lower than a few people tho. I really think Rob is town, and I'm pretty sure Templar is mafia. austinmcc 03-04-2014 02:57 PM ET (US) kk. does kind of everyone thinking GG is mafia bother you at all? boonetown 03-04-2014 03:20 PM ET (US) Not really, because it's further into the game and people have openly explained why he's scummy. Secondly, how come when even more people were raging about me being scummy, you didn't say the exact same thing about me. Instead, you voted on me... that's super contradicting. boonetown 03-04-2014 03:27 PM ET (US) I didn't mean you voted on me, I meant that you didn't come to my defense and left it at that. My wording was incorrect. austinmcc 03-04-2014 03:36 PM ET (US) Cuz the situations are different (and also I don't think I'm defending GG?) GG is getting called mafia for essentially doing NOTHING You were getting called mafia for WHAT YOU HAD DONE, and were also active austinmcc 03-04-2014 03:39 PM ET (US) There's also you calling out GG early on, then everyone talking about him, and you not commenting on them calling out the dude you think is scum. Granted, there's nothing new from him to discuss, but it's odd to me for someone to be silent about the person they're voting when that person starts to really bubble into the thread's discussion. So you have an opinion on GG, which i'm interested in. I don't care about other people's opinions on you, early or now. austinmcc 03-04-2014 03:45 PM ET (US) Slightly odd question, do you fully believe that I should have had the same reaction to people calling you scummy and people calling GG scummy? Also, I have now asked you a couple questions. Any more for me? boonetown 03-04-2014 07:13 PM ET (US) Here is why I think you should have been more concerned for me than you were, if you are town and hope that I am also town... we are in a mason group together than last the entire game. If we can determine that we are both or all three town, this is a very useful QT. So, you should have wanted to know why people were jumping all over me, especially for the reasons they were. For you do say you dont care about other people's opinion on me seems really weird. You should care. boonetown 03-04-2014 07:29 PM ET (US) Also, can you explain to me "what I have done", seeing as tho you seem to have the same opinion as a few others. Which is that I had in fact done something to make me look scummy. austinmcc 03-04-2014 07:54 PM ET (US) You posted. You posted about liking VE, not wanting to RNG lynch yet, posted some response to people. GGTemplar hasn't responded to anything. When compared to GGTemplar, "something" is posting and actually speaking on your own behalf. I don't mean you did something scummy or townie or whatever, just that you actually DID THINGS. That makes you getting attacked an entirely different character than GGTemplar getting attacked. You minorly fought back, he doesn't. People were on you because of a POST, people are essentially on him at this point for posting nothing. austinmcc 03-04-2014 07:56 PM ET (US) Yes, I would like to know the alignment's of everyone in here. But what non-host people think about your alignment doesn't matter to me early on D1. You're not getting lynched 12 hours into the game. You're not town or scum for being attacked/not being attacked. So people attacking you may tell me something about THEM, but it doesn't tell me much about you, poking at them doesn't determine your alignment for me. I may OUGHT to care about what they think about you, but I don't when it's the start of the game, and I don't think their thoughts affect your alignment. raynpelikoneet 03-04-2014 11:34 PM ET (US) austin i have no idea what you are doing right now.. raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 02:20 AM ET (US) There is literally no fucking reason to use this QT until there is a confirmed town in here. That's not possible on D1, so don't use this thing, post your shit in thread. austinmcc 03-05-2014 01:06 PM ET (US) /m32 How exactly do you propose we figure out if there is "confirmed town"? You just want 1 of us to wait until the other 2 flip, and if they both flip town, THEN that one person can use the QT? And you want to do that...despite not knowing exactly how this QT works? We don't know if other people join the QT when one of us dies, or any nonsense other stuff. We're in here, may as well use it. boonetown 03-05-2014 01:24 PM ET (US) I'm basically confirmed town now, but I'm dying either way. So, you two need to figure out if this QT is a good thing or a bad thing. He's right, we have no idea if i'll be replaced once I die, but even if I'm not, it's just you two. So figure it out. Rayn I'm convinced you're town, and I'm super grateful for it... Austin, I'm pretty sure you're mafia. austinmcc 03-05-2014 01:37 PM ET (US) Which is cool but I'm still not mafia. You're NOT confirmed town now. There are no magical confirmed townies. What do you think of Killing's thoughts re: you throughout the day? austinmcc 03-05-2014 01:51 PM ET (US) rayn, if you were a thug this game would your name be Koshi? austinmcc 03-05-2014 02:01 PM ET (US) rayn rayn, I'm actually really interested in this, just for a moment. (1) /m36 ? (2) If no, how do you propose we magically confirm people in here? raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 02:02 PM ET (US) Jesus austin, you need to start making sense. On D1 there is no fucking reason to use this QT because there is supposed to be no "hidden info" as we don't have extra info unless someone is mafia nad wants to push their own agenda. WHY IS THERE POSSIBLY A QUESTION ON D1 THAT THE WHOLE THREAD DOES NOT NEED TO SEE, OR HOW IS IT BENEFICIAL TO TOWN??? If you can answer the bolded part i retract from all my bad thoughts about you. My name would be Koshi, Koshi is <3 raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 02:04 PM ET (US) AUSTIN SHE CLAIMED MEDIC, NOT A DOCTOR!!! raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 02:12 PM ET (US) (1) Koshi (2) Medic Now what? austinmcc 03-05-2014 02:16 PM ET (US) /m39 WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? AREN'T THOSE THE SAME THINGS? /m38 YOU UNDERSTAND ME? There are TONS of questions that the whole thread doesn't need to see. Maybe I want to figure out boone's alignment in secret. Maybe I want to confirm a read with you or boone without using the thread. Maybe we do shenanigans. I guess to me, it's not about identifying a SPECIFIC THING that is good to put here, but more...if conversations AWAY FROM THREAD were NEVER HELPFUL, then we would never use unconfirmed mason pairs, we would never send PMs in PM games, ... there are SO MANY TIMES that unconfirmed masons and PMs and information outside the thread can be useful. Even if not useful...it's a THING. I don't want to get a shiny car and go "oh man, it MIGHT not get me to Croatia. I better not ever use it." It's up to US to figure out HOW we can make this beneficial to town, if that's the only time you're ever willing to use it. Not to just fold our hands D1 and go "gg never useful no use." austinmcc 03-05-2014 02:17 PM ET (US) /m40 now i think i understand you a little better if you're not lying. I think? I dunno. It's hard to tell with you. If there's a difference between medic and doctor, I'm 100% unaware of it. I've always seen those roles used interchangeably. Apart from that, we figure out who to lynch and we lynch em and they flip red. raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 02:25 PM ET (US) Austin she has not played a forum game on TL before, where the fuck else are doctors called medics?!!?!?!?!?!? austinmcc 03-05-2014 02:28 PM ET (US) Wait....you are trying to say that because she used a particular terminology, the claim is truthful? I NO LONGER UNDERSTAND AT ALL I thought you meant the claim was important because she's a medic and NOT a doctor, like medics had some different ability that we could verify or was better or something. I don't think the specific role a person claims matters here, although if you can argue that I'm all ears. raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 02:31 PM ET (US) Yes, that's what i am saying. Of course there is a possibility someone told her what to claim or she requested a fakeclaim or something but look at the post. The claim is buried there somewhere, it's not the MAIN FUCKING THING IN THE POST like scum fakeclaim. raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 02:31 PM ET (US) Man, how can you even entertain the possibility it's a fakeclaim. SERIOUSLY? raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 02:32 PM ET (US) When do "newbie" scum make fakeclaims like "oh here are my 1000 reads and btw i am also a medic." austinmcc 03-05-2014 02:33 PM ET (US) I did a little flavor research. In the Foundation series, Bad Shit will happen if Main Character doesn't get a group of luminaries together and compile all knowledge into some books. Essentially, Group (The Foundation), is gonna try and stop some future suffering. It later comes out that there's ANOTHER group of dudes who are ACTUALLY teh people who are gonna stop some future suffering. They're the Second Foundation. The Foundation tries to kill/destroy the Second Foundation. Based on flavor, we're town. Especially especially if we've got a doc or something in here. THIS IS A TERRIBLE THING TO RELY ON BUT SOMETIMES IN WORKS IN THEMED GAMES austinmcc 03-05-2014 02:35 PM ET (US) YO I AM A PARANOID MOFO AND YOU KNOW THAT. I don't trust D1 claims with hours to go when the person has been acting questionably during the cycle. I have seen newbies fake roles, not often, but sometimes. The list is short I think. I don't think there are hard and fast rules for players as a whole to claim in certain ways though, from what I've seen, certain players claim in certain ways, or under certain amounts of pressure, but I don't like a generalization that reads + tacked on claim = claim true. raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 02:40 PM ET (US) The thing is the claim is not the main part of her post! If she is mafia he would be going "DONT LYNCH ME IM A MEDIC here are also my reads maybe", not "Here's where i am at, also btw i am a medic". austinmcc 03-05-2014 02:42 PM ET (US) I disagree on that. I've seen mafia fakeclaim with throwaway claims before, it just depends on the PLAYER for me. Do you agree that there either ARE or ... have to be, some decent uses for this QT? I don't think it's possible that you believe nobody should ever speak outside of thread unless the person they speak to is confirmed. austinmcc 03-05-2014 02:48 PM ET (US) Why should templar hang over Killing? I think it is ... not infrequent that people make lists with more scum than town on them. I KNOW i've noticed it in the past, but do not have a specific example to grab and show you. I'd rather someone provide EXTRA scumreads with reasons than...less. His scumreads also seem...not mafia-aligned to me? Who goes after VE but not really. Who attacks palmar on specific fluff grounds, then fights about fluff for 10 posts? raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 03:00 PM ET (US) because killing is going all out on me which is the fucking stupidest thing to do if you are mafia. other than that they are quite equally scummy, templar retracted from his scumread as soon as i pointed out his shitlogic. boonetown 03-05-2014 03:03 PM ET (US) here's what I will say, if there is a mafia between them, it's probably killing and not templar, but i sincerely dont think either of them are mafia. raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 03:05 PM ET (US) ugh... austinmcc 03-05-2014 03:06 PM ET (US) Killing's not even ... tunneling you. You DO like to talk shit, yes, often about things you find to be shit. I don't think it's wrong for someone to call you out on it, especially if they haven't played with you much, OR EVEN IF THEY HAVE. Where does he go all out on you? He's had far far more posts on Slam and Boone being mafia. raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 03:33 PM ET (US) i am done with this retard ggtemplar, just kill him. good night. austinmcc 03-05-2014 04:04 PM ET (US) I hate that return post by killing SO MUCH. Hi guys, I read what you guys thought was scummy and...OH MAN IT'S SO SCUMMY. I promise to contribute more though and do what I can! ------> ______________________ boonetown 03-05-2014 04:25 PM ET (US) either joey (killing) is super fucking town, or his forum play is 1000% different than his video mafia play. austinmcc 03-05-2014 04:28 PM ET (US) oh no, QT ninjaed! I was actually curious about your specific kill read, but posted in in the thread boonetown 03-05-2014 04:40 PM ET (US) austin wtf are you doing. do you even read what people write? or just ask questions because you're lazy austinmcc 03-05-2014 04:51 PM ET (US) I DO read what people write. GGTemplar just posted an ACCURATE REPRESENTATION of killing's stuff. You're saying he's apologizing and that's townie, but he's apologizing for...FABRICATING READS (A THING SCUM DOESSSSSSSSSSSSS). At the same time saying he understands the game and is gonna scrap some of his reads. At the same time saying he DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE GAME. His posts are so incredibly contradictory, and all we're left with is "Everything I've posted is bad and made up." austinmcc 03-05-2014 04:57 PM ET (US) Like...you have said your reads keep changing, you have no idea what's going on at times, people are making this difficult and confusing, etc. etc. Killing is saying: (1) I had no idea what was going on (2) My response to that was to MAKE THINGS UP (3) I know now what's going on (4) I will play different I would argue that (2) is NEVER A TOWNIE THING. Whether you own up to it or not, townies get confused and go "wtf this game is confusing." They don't go "i don't understand this game right now so i will MAKE THINGS UP." I would also argue that (3) is...PROBABLY ALSO A LIE/MISREPRESENTATION. He's been entirely absent, magically returns and understands the deep inner workings of the game? He knows everyone's alignment? He's not confused anymore? HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? Especially given he didn't say how he magically understands things now, and has presented a sum total of nothing since magically understanding things. austinmcc 03-05-2014 05:24 PM ET (US) I don't think VE is the super worstest lynch. But man I really want to lynch killing. I still see NO explanation for things that...need explanation. Now he has reads on 3 people, but doesn't post them until he's asked, doesn't have a scumread, and essentially APPEARS to have not read thread and not have any reads. If those were legit, he should have...you know, told town he had reads. Without being asked. austinmcc 03-05-2014 06:02 PM ET (US) plz be scum. flip flip flip austinmcc 03-05-2014 06:03 PM ET (US) THIS POST WAS ALL EXCITED THAT WE COULD USE THE QT TO POST DURING SILENT NIGHTS THERE ARE NO SILENT NIGHTS THAT IS ANOTHER GAME THEREFORE, THIS POST NOW STANDS AS A MONUMENT TO MY MULTI-GAME SHAME Edited 03-05-2014 06:04 PM austinmcc 03-05-2014 06:08 PM ET (US) NOW EVEN MORE SHAME CUZ THIS ***IS*** THE SILENT NIGHT GAME. AND HERE'S WHY WE REALLY REALLY REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE OUTED OURSELVES BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A HUGE ADVANTAGE. TOWN HAS 48/72 HOURS TO TALK. WE HAVE 72/72. SUCH A GIANT ADVANTAGE AND NOW MAFIA CAN SHOOT US AND WE WON'T HAVE IT AND THAT MAKES ME SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD austinmcc 03-05-2014 06:10 PM ET (US) Unholy fucker of mothers how did we not remember that and notice austinmcc 03-05-2014 06:16 PM ET (US) I am interested in hearing from each of you the most suspicious VE voter and the most suspicious Killing voter. austinmcc 03-05-2014 06:21 PM ET (US) (I checked just in case, we ARE allowed to talk during night phases) So...yayayayaya let's post! boonetown 03-05-2014 06:55 PM ET (US) I'm really upset right now, I think a lot of my reads are being flipped because i feel bad and think that I screwed up as town. So, I will talk as much as I can the next 24 hours because I think I'm going to die. I already know who I want to save, and I'm not going to out it in here in the off chance there is a mafia here who can meta it. I'll talk about VE after I read his filter, I suggest you both do the same if you're interested. austinmcc 03-05-2014 07:04 PM ET (US) Yeah, don't reveal a save target. BECAUSE I CAN'T HELP BUT TUNNEL PEOPLE -----> your reaction to a mislynch or your reads being wrong is that you're confused and you think you screwed up and you want to fix them. Killing's reaction to ... not having reads, is to SAY he'll scrap them/fix them, give 3 of the same reads he gave before, not have any scum read, and vote VE despite having no scumread on VE. If you're really a doc and town, the REACTION to being wrong in your reads is...different imo austinmcc 03-05-2014 07:09 PM ET (US) ODD QUESTION: Did you read my thing about the Second Foundation within the flavor of the Asimov books? Does it...do anything for you? boonetown 03-05-2014 07:17 PM ET (US) honestly, it's the reason i didn't push on you harder toward the end. austinmcc 03-05-2014 07:18 PM ET (US) I am thoroughly amused by that answer and actually kind of like it! boonetown 03-05-2014 07:37 PM ET (US) i don't like it. i don't like that i had such a strong read (or at least what I thought was a strong read) and because you brought up something that might have zero relevance to the game, i voted for someone else. granted, the vote on you wasnt happening... but i dont like how easily my mind is being swayed in this game austinmcc 03-05-2014 07:45 PM ET (US) Right, but it's useful for me because either you're playing me hard or townie. So hahahahahahah good for me, bad for you, mwahahahahahaha. I'm normally a real big fan of making reads, and seeing other people make/change reads, based on...little things or single behaviors. raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 11:05 PM ET (US) fucking terrible lynch. raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 11:23 PM ET (US) /m69 : you and GG, but tbh you are not mafia if Killing is mafia, GG is still scum because the only way Killing gets mad at me for absolutely no reason is if he is scum with GG, that was fucking odd. raynpelikoneet 03-05-2014 11:24 PM ET (US) And if that's the case ugh.. Could Palmar be mafia? I have hard time believing Dandel is scum. Or maybe Grack, idk. austinmcc 03-06-2014 10:17 AM ET (US) DI will out himself over time if he's mafia. So far he's way way way more involved than scum DI, so I'm fine giving him a pass for a bit. Palmar COULD be, I have never gone "omg palmar mafia" on D1, but he also tends to kind of...get more apparent as the game goes on. The vote swap, to me, reads kind of town-palmar-y. Fucking with thread for fun and POSSIBLE extra townie motives (see if anyone swaps, what happens), smells okay. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 10:31 AM ET (US) well if you are not mafia then who the fuck is? austinmcc 03-06-2014 10:40 AM ET (US) Other folks. Killing. Maybe JAT for some weird reason? Maybe palmar or you if you're lying, because I berieve that there'd be a little balance. Maybe we're all being SUPER TROLLED and it's three video mafia peeps. I think I still like killing and slam, + someone raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 11:03 AM ET (US) I wanna kill templar and Killing. templar has basically OMGUSed around all game. That's exactly what he did in Really small mafia as scum. There is this thing i brought up in thread about Killing. JAT could be scum, you are right. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 11:09 AM ET (US) Slam is not mafia. Look at Default suspicion mafia and the game before that, ugh, survivor series game. I am really goot at reading Slam. Especially this post onwards: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4438...-mafia?page=80#1592raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 11:21 AM ET (US) here's templar's scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4402...afia?user=GGTeMpLaRin contrast here is his last town game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4408...tart?user=GGTeMpLaRThe difference is huge. So huge. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 11:27 AM ET (US) If you actually read templar's scumgame filter you also know why i am so fucking tired of posting when i know he is mafia. boonetown 03-06-2014 12:29 PM ET (US) Okay, I'm going to trust you guys on Templar, because I am basing my town read on him due to the fact that he's conveying what i'm used to seeing from him in a video mafia game. He could be doing that, in hopes that people will trust my read on him, and go with it. So, since you have actually played a forum game with him, I trust you. I do think Palmar is scummy, but again, I don't think he's lynchable because he could just be frustrated with the way the game is going. Totally understandable. Killing, I really think he's town. He's fucked me over before, but I cannot see him ever being like this as mafia. He's so prideful, has the biggest ego you will ever see and is never willing to admit he's played badly as mafia, this would be a first. austinmcc 03-06-2014 12:41 PM ET (US) I still think that there is a HUGE gap between admitting you played badly and admitting you ARE MAKING UP YOUR READS and that it isn't just saying "i've been playing badly." It's "I understand the game now, despite giving no indication that I do, and no reasoning when or why this happened, and STILL HAVING ZERO SCUMREADS." It's also "I will play townie now, except I won't have any scumreads, I'll use the same reads I was giving earlier that I claim to have been making up." Like...I do not see him scumhunting. I do not see him contributing. Regardless of his restart or no, he CONTINUED TO DO NOTHING. austinmcc 03-06-2014 12:50 PM ET (US) And read ALL of his posts on you again. He's either making up his reads or he's not. If he's MAKING UP A READ ON YOU, doesn't that bother you? All the video mafia people SEEM to be saying they can tell each other's alignments. It doesn't bother you that essentially he is saying "i couldn't tell anyone's alignments and instead of trying harder or saying that I made up reads"? If he's NOT MAKING UP A READ ON YOU, then holy crap what is his read? Cuz you're scummy but townie but scummy but maybe townie, except that he never actually grows the balls to call you MAFIA. So many times something is "un-townie" or off or whatever, but he's not able to summon up the nerve to say you look SCUMMY. What is his READ on you in his posts? He either was making it up, which is strange given that all video mafia people are somewhat focused on reading video mafia people, or he's not making it up, in which case...his read is nothing and it's super scummy. austinmcc 03-06-2014 03:06 PM ET (US) I'm running out for like an hour, then want to give this game more attention and be really active here. Will anyone be around? I have another game I need to do stuff in, but I really want us to all chat for like an hour if we can, we haven't taken much advantage of being in QT and we keep talking past eachother. You guys around in...an hour, or two hours? Can we schedule a sekrit QT meeting? austinmcc 03-06-2014 04:07 PM ET (US) plz? anyone anyone? boonetown 03-06-2014 04:42 PM ET (US) I'm here, sorry. I have been reading through some filters and compiling a post for the thread if I manage to live through the night. Now that night actions should be in, should I tell you who i put my save on, just in case i die? austinmcc 03-06-2014 05:03 PM ET (US) I'm trying to think of whether it would ever be bad. Mafia's already acted, so I guess it can't. boonetown 03-06-2014 05:05 PM ET (US) But they technically have an hour to change it, if there is a mafia in here... I'll post it with 3 minutes left. They can't change anything at that point in time. boonetown 03-06-2014 05:06 PM ET (US) that way, if i'm the only death... that means i might have gotten a save. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 05:13 PM ET (US) I am here from now on. boone why do you think if you are the only death you might have gotten a save? austinmcc 03-06-2014 05:24 PM ET (US) JAT randomly worries me, and i think the ONLY reason is that he's in the middle of the pack for me. Specific things he's done, a lightbulb moment where he goes "oh, maybe QT shouldn't share everything", go in his favor for me. But not much, and he kind of just...didn't do anything that LEAPS out to me D1, and nobody SAID anything about him that leaps out to me. The first...chunk of his filter is just nothingness. It's chatter, even once discussion and scumhunting start. He's just kinda dancing around with oats/rayn/me/boone after a bit, but he's never SAYING anything, tbh. The QTs come up, he says some stuff about QTs, decides he's okay lynching boone and maybe lynching ggtemplar? (He says he's in agreement with a DI post where DI wants to lynch those two). He's really interested in the QT. The MOST effort he puts in through half of D1 is questioning about the QT. He's still not really DOING stuff with it, just questions. His dropping the questions can be lightbulb moment or someone saying HOLY BALLS STOP FISHING FOR INFORMATION YOU LOOK SO WEIRD STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOOOOOOOP. He rebuffs VE wanting to talk about GGTemplar. THEY'RE ALL IN A QT. THERE'S MAYBE STUFF TO DISCUSS? I DUNNO!? wo;atyihawlkthwTLKET. He's just doing NOTHING. Half-ass questioning boone about me, and her read on me. He's not calling me townie or anything, he's not really...putting together a big attack or case on you boone, he's just sort of dawdling around. Durdle durdle. This post. What is it. He's halfway attacking rayn, questioning Palmar, but Palmar is attacking Boone, who JAT just attacked in a way, or at least his posts SEEMED like he doesn't agree with her read on me? He was questioning why Boone scummy on me, in a way that made it seem like he disagreed, but then he's attacking someone attacking boone? He's DOING NOTHING. The boone wagon is rolling so easily...he says but adds nothing more. He says it's unsettling, but doesn't call her town, and doesn't...ugh. Then questions townreads on oats, despite having never said anything about oats ever. The grand conclusion of a burst of activity on oats is that he's going to IGNORE oats, not make a read or anything. His suspects are all the common suspects. No idea who to lynch, maybe Killing/GG/Boone. Shocker. Won't kill VE (why?), slam (why?), DI (why?) NEED TO READ PAST GAMES OF JAT. IS HE SUPER LAZY AS TOWN? HE BASICALLY HAS NO VOTE, AND *MIGHT* CHOOSE ONE OF 4-5 PEOPLE TO LYNCH "TO TEST RAYN". THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE. THAT'S NOT A REASON TO VOTE A OVER B-E. AND HE MIGHT SWAP VOTE BECAUSE HE'S WORRIED ABOUT VOTERS? EXCEPT HE'S WORRIED ABOUT VE (who was do not lynch before, unclear when this changed), worried about me (why?), he's ... he's moving without any explanation really. Reads are shifting for NO apparent reason. He's NEVER giving his own reasons for why GGtemplar or killing or anyone are mafia. And he's chippy with oats, like...calling oats out for not making points to convince JAT of something, while JAT never takes the time to make original points against ANYONE. Check past games. Check to see if he has scum play, if his town play is just to sit and do nothing and use other people's points. Check to see if his vote switch with 2 min to go DID anything. Did he respond to Palmar moving? Is him responding to palmar moving scummy? I WILL LOOK INTO THIS STUFF IF ALIVE. THIS POST IS TOO LONG boonetown 03-06-2014 05:25 PM ET (US) in the set up is says 'Mafia KP is delivered factionally.' based on that, i have no idea how many KP they have. I'm used to mafia having 2 KP until there are 3 remaining. We know there are 3 left... so I am assuming (which is probably not the best thing for me to do), that mafia might have 2 KP. They won't double stack me, cause there is no reason to. austinmcc 03-06-2014 05:27 PM ET (US) I DON'T LIKE HIS FILTER ONCE I READ IT AND REALLY I HAD HIM JUST TOWNIE BECAUSE HE STOPPED FISHING BUT MAYBE THE FISHING WAS BAD AND HE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT. His scumreads seem to be nonexistent or built on other people's posts without any particulars. His reads shift for no apparent reason. Not only none given, but i can't think of WHAT happened that would make VE go from do not lynch to "I don't want to vote the guy that guy is voting." There are jumps without reason, that is bad. austinmcc 03-06-2014 05:32 PM ET (US) He's okay with GG, not sold on GG, willing to move to Killing probably. He doesn't want to lynch VE, but he doesn't really find VE townie. Palmar claims to unvote Killing and vote VE, when they were 4-4 (with VE in lead), making it VE(5) to Killing(3). JAT, who likes lynching nearly anyone but hasn't ever moved his vote, asks Palmar what to do next. Why? Palmar just came in and did something dumb and Palmar-y. Why is JAT's response to ask PALMAR what next? Then he gets all "I don't know what to do/who to vote" YOU BEEN CALLIN' 2-3 THE OPTIONS SCUM AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO TO VOTE? IT'S THE END OF THE DAY. Palmar says to hammer killing. JAT doesn't notice? JAT just does what Palmar says. WHY IS JAT JUST DOING WHAT PALMAR SAYS ESPECIALLY WHEN PALMAR IS DOING PALMAR STUFF WITH A COUPLE MINUTES TO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. WHY IS HE CONFUSED ABOUT WHO TO VOTE WHEN HE DOESN'T SEEM TO CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE. WHY AM I SPAMMING QT ABOUT THIS? austinmcc 03-06-2014 05:35 PM ET (US) THIS IS A STUPID THING TO JUST BE LOOKING AT WITH AN HOUR TO GO. He doesn't really fit with killing though, right? Like...he asks Palmar what to do, he wouldn't vote a scumbuddy just because Palmar says so, unless they're all being weird and scum together. That is stupid. And he doesn't know Palmar is headed back to VE. So it doesn't seem like he would do whatever Palmar wants when that's "lynch your scumbuddy." raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 05:35 PM ET (US) /m98: I am kinda okayish with JAT. He did care about the lynch in the end, unlike Palmar and Dandel who should have been leading. What you described about him in the last paragraph is both of his town and scumplay. He was mafia in LXIV (before the restart), that's his only scumgame. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 05:37 PM ET (US) boonetown mafia has most likely 1 KP, maybe one-shot vigi or something, but unlikely. If you are telling the truth about your claim there is probably at least a roleblocker. austin why do you think JAT is mafia, he voted Killing after all? austinmcc 03-06-2014 05:38 PM ET (US) I'll give that a look then. I had him as town in PYP LOL but that's my only game with him. I don't think it's likely they're together, but I need to be looking over stuff and I want to work on my game and second-guess myself more, try and see if it improves anything. If I list out townie people and scummy people though, JAT just had really weak weak reasons for being anywhere, he didn't make an impression D1, and I don't like that. Looking back over his filter, there's just no commitment to anything for 48 hours. austinmcc 03-06-2014 05:41 PM ET (US) you better not be lying. I will be cross. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 05:43 PM ET (US) Anyways in case i die i think templar is mafia, he is so mafia. Killing might be, austin might be, Palmar might be. I don't remember anything Robik did at the end of the day. I remember him being there but not doing shit, that's odd but he's probably town. Oats, Dandel, Slam boone strong town. Grack probably town for leading a lynch. As mafia he trolls or busses. I don't see him doing either. Rest of the people kinda bleh. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 05:44 PM ET (US) Yes JAT could be mafia but for now i would not be too worried about him, at least sort out templar/Killing first. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 05:45 PM ET (US) hmm weird, i thought there was more people in the game.. lol So JAT was the only on who is "bleh". austinmcc 03-06-2014 05:46 PM ET (US) I want to poke him a bunch tomorrow, or at least stir up votes on him to see what happens. I haven't looked at past templar games, will get to them after this and then other deadline. austinmcc 03-06-2014 05:54 PM ET (US) SO HEY. WE SHOULD TOTALLY AT THE VERY LEAST SET UP A TIME N2 IF WE'RE ALIVE AND THEN REALLY REALLY REALLY CHAT, RAPID FIRE STUFF PEW PEW PEW raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 05:56 PM ET (US) shure! I don't think we die, boone might, but not we because we always think each other is scum and apparently other people think we are scum aswell. I have the biggest filter in the game and people think i am scum rofl. While i can post that much as mafia there is so stupid content in thread (like 50% - half of the day was wasted in discussing QT's which was dumb as fuck) i would not. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 05:57 PM ET (US) austin don't be mafia in case i got killed ok? please raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 05:57 PM ET (US) Also goodluck! austinmcc 03-06-2014 05:58 PM ET (US) whatever you're always mafia boone possibly dies. I don't THINK i die. Robik maybe? He didn't influence the thread but was consensus townie. I just...there's not really a frontrunner for dead bro to me. YOU SERIOUSLY BETTER NOT BE LYING AND I THINK YOU MIGHT BE OR NOT KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 06:01 PM ET (US) I never understand you austin. austinmcc 03-06-2014 06:01 PM ET (US) GG LADY AND GENT. boonetown 03-06-2014 06:30 PM ET (US) OMG im so mad, I almost saved austin, then flipped to Robik. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 06:31 PM ET (US) Well that was not a good save, even if Robik is town. boonetown 03-06-2014 06:47 PM ET (US) should we keep this secret now? they probably think it's ended and that we can't still communicate with each other. boonetown 03-06-2014 06:50 PM ET (US) yeah, originally i thought to save you, then i thought austin, then it was like... rob is the most town for me so i want him around. doesnt mean i DIDNT save him, especially if there is a mafia vigi, or a own vigi that decided to be stupid. but i dont want to bring it up in thread regardless. boonetown 03-06-2014 06:54 PM ET (US) well fuck me. i'm an idiot and just accidentally said we could still talk in here. OMG. i hate my life. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 06:55 PM ET (US) Yeah don't bring it up. Let's keep this as a secret for now. Is there anything you don't want posted in thread in this QT? I am at least posting the N1 discussion because it's important people know what austin thought as he is confirmed town. raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 06:55 PM ET (US) haha well it does not matter raynpelikoneet 03-06-2014 06:57 PM ET (US) About your post, yes i get the second part and if you are really medic then yes, it's true. But in general it's stupid to assume something based on flavor because flavor should never help any faction to figure out someone's alignment. boonetown 03-06-2014 09:06 PM ET (US) i totally understand and agree. sorry i screwed that up raynpelikoneet 03-07-2014 05:02 AM ET (US) I'm making a case on ggtemplar tonight, hopefully people actually can see what i am talking about. His actions are full of contradictions and he does not attack arguments but people behind the arguments which in itself is a mafia trait. boonetown 03-07-2014 12:51 PM ET (US) omg... i'm in another mason group WITH templar and alakaslam raynpelikoneet 03-09-2014 11:57 AM ET (US) hey wassup? boonetown 03-09-2014 01:38 PM ET (US) Where have you been!?!?!? raynpelikoneet 03-09-2014 01:58 PM ET (US) I had kind of a busy couple of days an video mafia. I should be able to reread the thread before night ends and post my reads here! What are your thoughts at the moment? boonetown 03-09-2014 03:07 PM ET (US) I truly think I'm going to die tonight so this is the best place for me to get my shit out there I guess. I think there is a mafia between Palmar and Dandel. I hate how they changed their vote literally in the last minute of the lynch from KILLING/TEMPLAR to VE, ensuring his death. If there is one between the two, I'm certain it's Dandel. Now, I have flip flopped a LOT on Oats and JAT, and so, other than Grack whom i think is mafia, the other possible mafia is JAT imo. I reread joey's filter and he tries really hard not to talk to, or about either of them. JAT is mentioned more than Grack but still very seldom. Templar and Robert are town in my eyes, You're my biggest question mark but I have thought you were town for this long, I dont want to get paranoid and change that read. Alakaslam is another WTF for me but if I had to make an opinion of him on the spot, it would be town. So to sum it up, I think that Dandel, Grack and JAT are most likely scum, with Palmar trailing at the end. raynpelikoneet 03-09-2014 03:23 PM ET (US) Killing flipped mafia, there is only 2 mafia left. raynpelikoneet 03-09-2014 03:43 PM ET (US) I am watching a movie right now, i'll go through the thread for more detailed reads before night ends in case i get whacked but here's where i am at; I think JAT is quite obviously town. He's been curious about people's motives and reasoning behind their posts all game long. Same can be said about Oats. While his case on me D2 was laughably terrible that's what he does as town. He was also the first on to vote for Killing. I still think you are town but i honeslty have to say i don't follow you pretty well in thread. I need to revist my opinion on Dandel and Slam. If i look at them purely by their actions they could be mafia. However i have never seen Dandel put this much effort into the game as town. When he is mafia he just does not post and basically scumclaims. Mayyyyybe Slam could be mafia, ugh idunno. Last game i caught him instantly when he started posting, and it was totally different from his towngames, he tries too hard as mafia and cares about how he looks. What i just said about Slam applies to Grack. Grack busses, a lot. While he hasn't done much this game he is not pushing mafia agenda. He can get bored as town, but i have never seen him do that as scum. If he somehow is scum there is most likely a vocal scumplayr, but that looks quite unlike to me atm (jsut because people who are vocal and actually do something and push the thread forward are me/JAT/Oats, especially on D2). Palmar is an enigma. I have no idea what he is doing. He is either not trying at all (which he unfortunately can do as town) or he is mafia. There is just nothing to say about him because i can't form a read on him as he is just.. doing nothing. He is one of the best players on TL when he wants to be and one of the worst (lol) when he doesn't try.. I fucking hate his ply this game if he is town. One of templar/robik is mafia. I am really really sure of it. Neither of them is acting proactively, they are defensive, do not ask any questions from anyone and are not trying to push the town to right direction. While Robik had some good observations on Killing on D1 he did nothing to push a lynch on him, he just sat back with his vote. Definitely not scum with Dandel. templar is more likely to be mafia from those two. All he does is flings shit on people (qhich is what he does as scum), he has no good arguments and his stance on Killing is really really really fishy throughout all game. Before D1 end he puts Killing as his 4th suspect (why the fuck??) as a "backup scum", on D2 start he says Killing is probably not mafia and he considers him/rob/you in like "one of them is scum but i don't really give a fuck which one", he never does anything to that suspicion, never trieds to push his higher scumreads, and later on just sheeps a vote on Killing, who his top scumread (me) is already voting for. That does not make ANY sense at all. On top of that i made a case on him on D1, he never answered the case. He gave no reasonable answers to any of the points i brought up, that's also EXACTLY what he does as mafia. Thank god Killing was mafia, now we actually have something to go with. boonetown 03-09-2014 05:50 PM ET (US) I understand there are only 2 left, i'm saying between the 3 people I think are mafia, I think the 2 are in there. You and I are reading this game very different, our reads so not on the same track at all. Lol. You have more experience with these people tho, or at least some of them. boonetown 03-09-2014 08:03 PM ET (US) i have to let them know about this foundation group i think, and that its still ongoing. cause they are asking about my recent post and why you werent mentioned in it, and it's because it was directed to you in case i died.
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D1:
At the start of the game templar has Killing as town because he pointed out good stuff on Palmar.
A bit later templar changes his read on killing to be scum because of what robik said.
When the votes start to pile on VE/Killing instead of him, Killing is not anymore mafia and Robik gets demoted from strong town (wasn't the stuff good anymore?).
Grackaroni is strong town because he realized same stuff templar did about VE and pushes his lynch.
In the end of D1 Killing is back to being mafia "in case scumbuddy flips at least i called him scum".
D2:
At the start of the day Dandel gets a townread for what JAT said in QT.
Grackaroni is mafia because he pushed VE lynch for stuff templar thought was good aswell!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!
templar points out more evidence for Killing being mafia, but likes Boone/Killing/Robik a lot less, there's probably at least one mafia in them but doesn't know who it is yet. This makes no sense given his stance on them EOD1.
He calls boone mafia because boone is casting light suspicion on Palmar but not trying to lynch him. Notice templar's top scumread has been me throughout the game, and he has shown no interest in building a case on me nor convincing anyone to vote for me.
Then he votes for Slam out of nowhere, "because he has done nothing but troll". But this is what he said a while back; "Kinda like Palmar/Slam still". He asks a couple of people about their stance on Slam.
When me and Oats vote for Killing templar comes in with a "case", but hey, he still wants to kill me the most. It does not matter his top scumread is voting for the same target he ends up voting for.
He points out Palmar's alignment is not necessarily related to Killing's or that we can't deduce Palmar's alignment based on Killing's.
D3:
Votes for Grack because Grack defended Killing on D1 and pushed VE lynch instead.
Says "(just to make it more clear, Killing had 2 scum yesterday, Robik was his top scumread, Grack was his second. his reasoning on Grack was weird/awkward as hell)". This should point into Grack being town because if mafia's reasoning for someone to be mafia is awkward it's more likely they can't come up with a good reasoning because the target is town. As mafia it's easy to make a case on mafia because you already know the other person is mafia. So this reasoning is pure bullshit.
Suddenly Dandel is scum again because Grack is scum too and templar "can see them both being mafia with Killing".
Boone could be mafia because she called Grack/Dandel scum yesterday (with myself as a possible fourth) and has been defending Rayn a lot. If she really nailed it there mafia would have certainly killed her in the night (no reason not to hit two birds with one stone).
Ends up voting for Palmar.
TLDR; DO I SERIOUSLY NEED TO FUCKING WRITE ANOTHER PARAGRAPH WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THESE THINGS TEMPLAR HAS DONE?
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
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On March 10 2014 20:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
So why exactly aren't we lynching grack right now?
Hint: I think we should lynch Grack today.
Why is that?
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Whatever. Everyone can do whatever they want to. I am being honest here, i basically don't give a fuck about this game because people make shit cases, when someone is being called out they don't respond, but instead they shit on the accuser and OMGUS the shit out of everyone. I don't feel like putting effort to the game where noone even realizes how a mafia game works or maybe people just don't give a fuck. So i won't either.
templar is mafia and you should vote for him.
peace.
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Dandel if you have a red check on Grackaroni just say so. Nobody is stupid.
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I don't know because you haven't done shit this game.
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That's why i said i don't know in the first place.
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I also understand nobody will even notice my case. Nobody will pay any attention to the fact that nobody noticed my case on D1, nobody will pay any attention to the fact that templar didn't answer my case on D1, but guess what;
That's why i don't give a fuck, nobody is playing mafia in this game. So do your guessing game then because i am sick of repeating same things over and over again. Please, by all means continue doing jack shit. But don't expect me to play the game then.
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And this robik guy has fucking balls to come tell me i don't read. Go take a shit because you are full of it.
*this is not an insult, it's been proven in the last game*
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Palmar i can't answer you because i don't know the answer. If that does not please you there is nothing i can do about it. I don't do pre-flip association because they are shit. I don't know who is mafia besides templar and i don't have to think about it until he is lynched.
There are three things that are important, here they are (in order from most important -> less important):
1) His stance on Killing. Every time Killing was not under attack (after the start of the game) templar calls him mafia. When Killing is under attack someone else is mafia. See especially his reads on D1 and his "push" on Slam on D2 when the thread was discussing killing/grack.
2) His reads do not evolve rationally. He calls people town and mafia for same reason. He calls people who do same things he does mafia. His stances on people make absolutely no sense as i have pointed out many times.
3) When he's been called out he does not attack people's arguments rather than the people behind the arguments.
Now i am not going to switch my vote on this phase unless Dandel claims a red check on Grackaroni. If someone else claims to be the cop i don't believe them because they are lying either in thread or in the messages and that makes no sense from town perspective. I am not asking any more, now i am telling. To me it does not matter what templar says at this point, i have seen enough.
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If you absolutely want and answer Palmar, those three people from town to mafia:
1) boone because of uncc'd medic
2) grack because he does not make sense as mafia with templar and i've never seen him play like this game as mafia
3) you because you have done as "much" as Grack but you don't get the + points (i've only seen you play mafia once (Thug life) and i didn't really pay attention to you after i decided you are mafia after your read on yamato).
I don't understand why you want this because even i know these kinda reads are crap now because we don't know templar's alignment for sure.
To answer your question about the vocal scumplayer, it's because as mafia Grack is perfectly capable of leading his team when he is the "best" (or strong or whatever, i know you get what i am saying) scumplayer in his team. The fact that he is not pushing any agenda and doesn't give a fuck indicates there would be another scum leader if Grack was mafia. The only people who have been vocal are me, JAT, Dandel, and Oats. I know i am town and i don't think JAT/Dandel are mafia and Oats is dead. That's the reason.
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On March 10 2014 22:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 09:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
i. Alakascum
Last game I played with Alakaslam, he was town and he trolled very differently - it made me want to policy lynch him because he really didn't ever explain his reads on Day1 and just trolled a lot like he wanted to be read scummy. This game, his early trolling read more like he was trying to be funny while still appearing to contribute. Not much to go on, which is why it was a simple gut read.
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Ultimately from their interactions, I came to have a light town read on Slam and a light scum read on Boone, which I still hold now. The only thing that's made me second-guess scumreading her is when she outed her QT thread for reasons that she was afraid of being manipulated in it by mafia and having it hurt town.
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Top town is Robik. Town read on Killing too. Light town on Slam but it's more tentative. Still read Boone as mafia but there's still like 23 hours for me to evaluate shit. huehue These are from the same post. Rayn pointed it out day 1. Everyone is bad.
To be fair he later on said "he explained his thought process on Slam read throughout the game" and that's why he wrote a scumread and townread on him in the same post. It kinda makes sense, what doesn't make sense is why he did it in the first place.
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On March 10 2014 22:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 10 2014 22:20 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2014 09:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
i. Alakascum
Last game I played with Alakaslam, he was town and he trolled very differently - it made me want to policy lynch him because he really didn't ever explain his reads on Day1 and just trolled a lot like he wanted to be read scummy. This game, his early trolling read more like he was trying to be funny while still appearing to contribute. Not much to go on, which is why it was a simple gut read.
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Ultimately from their interactions, I came to have a light town read on Slam and a light scum read on Boone, which I still hold now. The only thing that's made me second-guess scumreading her is when she outed her QT thread for reasons that she was afraid of being manipulated in it by mafia and having it hurt town.
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Top town is Robik. Town read on Killing too. Light town on Slam but it's more tentative. Still read Boone as mafia but there's still like 23 hours for me to evaluate shit. huehue These are from the same post. Rayn pointed it out day 1. Everyone is bad. To be fair he later on said "he explained his thought process on Slam read throughout the game" and that's why he wrote a scumread and townread on him in the same post. It kinda makes sense, what doesn't make sense is why he did it in the first place. His big post where he calls me/ve/dandel/boone scum is terrible too anyway.
Well now you know why i am frustrated. I made a big fucking case based on that post on D1, nobody (besides Dandel) gave a fuck. templar didn't even answer the case but OMGUSed me instead. nobody gave a fuck about that either.
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"Might just test rayn and sheep him on templar" doesn't sound like you think the case is good.
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Like when people think a case is good they go "yeah that's a good case and i agree with it so i'll vote for this case".
You were like "oh a case. I wonder what i should do."
And that's why i thought you might be mafia on N1..
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On March 10 2014 22:16 Palmar wrote:Rayn are you town?
Of course i am fucking town.
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lol
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On March 10 2014 22:50 Palmar wrote:
Can I call you bad if you're wrong on templar?
No.
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Alakaslam, i have a question for you: ![[image loading]](http://i60.tinypic.com/2n6g9yg.png) Answer with MSPaint picture please!
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IAmRobik if you did know anything about Oats you would know i would not nightkill him ever regardless of if he thinks i am mafia or what his reads are. You are just trying to WIFOM, so stop it.
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I also doubt Grack would either, at least for Oats' reads.
Oats is a major mislynch target for mafia when he is town and even if he isn't, he is quite incapable of convincing anyone to lynch his reads. My guess would be mafia thought he was a bluesnipe (definitely not the Sheldon guy - unless it's DM players who killed him lol). Anyways, it's just WIFOM.
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Robik, where the hell do you get the idea i think you are mafia? Why are you so overly defensive. If you have read any of my posts you would know i think you are not mafia because i have said multiple times i find it impossible you and templar are both mafia.
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But that's what you did. Regardless of how you say you play as town, and i don't think that's very townie. In GSL game you tried to lead lynches, in this game you are not. Maybe you are just more passive. I have no intention to read anyone's filter right now because i have a case but i do not think you are mafia with templar and your observations regarding Killing, regardless of what you did, were good.
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Yes Palmar is probably town because he's sheeping a good case.
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I don't remember a single post from Grackaroni from the GSL game.
Again Robik, read my posts.
I have given a clear reasoning why i don't think he is mafia, many many times.
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On March 11 2014 03:21 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But that's what you did. Regardless of how you say you play as town, and i don't think that's very townie. In GSL game you tried to lead lynches, in this game you are not. Maybe you are just more passive. I have no intention to read anyone's filter right now because i have a case but i do not think you are mafia with templar and your observations regarding Killing, regardless of what you did, were good. What do you consider pushing/leading lynches? I made the case and people voted him based off of it. I also tried to hammer the shit out of him. You're making no sense or just fabricating stuff. Rayn, even if you're right on Temp, you have to find 1 more scum. Why is it that you are unwilling to do that? You did the same tunnel bullshit on me yesterday until you finally switched to Joey. If I build a strong case on why Grack is mafia, would you entertain it or are you so sold on the Templar lynch?
Look Robik, i don't like this post. For a couple of reasons.
I read people more from why they do things they do. I consider pushing a lynch that you actually try to convince people into why your case is better than the case on any other candidate. If there are two cases and someone does not give clear reasons why they vote one dude over another i consider that as not caring about the lynch. Noone of the Killing voters on D1 did try to really convince other people and pushed the case. That's my honest opinion. People voted for him and sat on their votes. That's what i saw when i read the thread and i hate myself for not being able to be here because if i was we would have lynched templar.
I don't like you telling me i am fabricating stuff. If you make that kinda accusation please go to your filter and show me where are the posts where you convince people into voting Killing over VE when the votes started flying. Because you can't. I understand it's possible that's your playstyle but don't you dare to tell me i am fabricating stuff. I tell you and everyone what i see and what i think about it, and that's what i see. saying you tried to hammer is useless because you didn't. So if i am not making sense tell me where i am wrong. Because i am not. That does not mean you are mafia though. But don't tell me i am fabricating shit if you can't prove it because that IS scummy as fuck.
Yes, if you make a case on Grackaroni that i think is better than my case i will vote for him instead of templar. I am perfectly capable of re-evaluating who is the best lynch based on cases there are. I miss stuff, i can't possibly notice everything, otherwise i would be lynching mafia 100% of the time. So please make a case and then we can discuss which case is better.
This also leads me to this. If you defend someone then please, point out why my case is bad. Bad cases are bad for the town and everyone who is town should point out why a case is bad if they think it's bad. That's fucking simple, cut off bad cases asap so mafia has no room to hide and there are only good cases. Basic logic. I don't like the fact you repeatedly tell me Grack is a better lynch than templar but you can't point out why my case is bad nor are you even trying to make a case on Grack.
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On March 11 2014 03:32 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:I don't remember a single post from Grackaroni from the GSL game. Again Robik, read my posts. I have given a clear reasoning why i don't think he is mafia, many many times. I read your points on Grack all game. I'm not sure I'm convinced. Let's assume Templar flips town, does anything change with regards to your Grack reads? Also, 2 scenarios: Temp flips town (2maf left) Temp flips maf (1maf left) Where are you heading in both cases?
What does it matter?
Are you trying to defend him based on what i think what happens after the lynch? wtf?
Why are you trying to make this something that it isn't? This is very clear. If you want to lynch someone other than templar make a better case and/or tell me why my case is bad and not just repeatedly dance around the issue.
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On March 11 2014 03:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
Sickest case in the world: The last time grack even tried to make a post containing an actual contribution was 5 days ago.
Fair enough. If Grack does not make a decent contributin in the next 24hours i will 100% switch my vote on him.
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Then stop posting useless things and read.
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On March 11 2014 03:51 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 03:21 IAmRobik wrote:On March 11 2014 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But that's what you did. Regardless of how you say you play as town, and i don't think that's very townie. In GSL game you tried to lead lynches, in this game you are not. Maybe you are just more passive. I have no intention to read anyone's filter right now because i have a case but i do not think you are mafia with templar and your observations regarding Killing, regardless of what you did, were good. What do you consider pushing/leading lynches? I made the case and people voted him based off of it. I also tried to hammer the shit out of him. You're making no sense or just fabricating stuff. Rayn, even if you're right on Temp, you have to find 1 more scum. Why is it that you are unwilling to do that? You did the same tunnel bullshit on me yesterday until you finally switched to Joey. If I build a strong case on why Grack is mafia, would you entertain it or are you so sold on the Templar lynch? Look Robik, i don't like this post. For a couple of reasons. I read people more from why they do things they do. I consider pushing a lynch that you actually try to convince people into why your case is better than the case on any other candidate. If there are two cases and someone does not give clear reasons why they vote one dude over another i consider that as not caring about the lynch. Noone of the Killing voters on D1 did try to really convince other people and pushed the case. That's my honest opinion. People voted for him and sat on their votes. That's what i saw when i read the thread and i hate myself for not being able to be here because if i was we would have lynched templar. I don't like you telling me i am fabricating stuff. If you make that kinda accusation please go to your filter and show me where are the posts where you convince people into voting Killing over VE when the votes started flying. Because you can't. I understand it's possible that's your playstyle but don't you dare to tell me i am fabricating stuff. I tell you and everyone what i see and what i think about it, and that's what i see. saying you tried to hammer is useless because you didn't. So if i am not making sense tell me where i am wrong. Because i am not. That does not mean you are mafia though. But don't tell me i am fabricating shit if you can't prove it because that IS scummy as fuck. Yes, if you make a case on Grackaroni that i think is better than my case i will vote for him instead of templar. I am perfectly capable of re-evaluating who is the best lynch based on cases there are. I miss stuff, i can't possibly notice everything, otherwise i would be lynching mafia 100% of the time. So please make a case and then we can discuss which case is better. This also leads me to this. If you defend someone then please, point out why my case is bad. Bad cases are bad for the town and everyone who is town should point out why a case is bad if they think it's bad. That's fucking simple, cut off bad cases asap so mafia has no room to hide and there are only good cases. Basic logic. I don't like the fact you repeatedly tell me Grack is a better lynch than templar but you can't point out why my case is bad nor are you even trying to make a case on Grack. I made over 5 posts on day 1 why Killing was maf. Just fucking read the filter and stop being a lazy ass. Saying that me and JAT trying to hammer him doesn't matter cause he didn't get lynched is foolish. Both of us voted within the last 2 minutes (and me 1 minute) in the day to swing the vote in favor of Joey getting lynched before Palmar and Dandelion swung it back onto VE. So while you can say "that's what you did" all you want, unless you go back and read my filter and then proclaim those same sentiments, you're either making up shit or you're misremembering and being too big of a stubborn ass to reread and do what it necessary to win the game.
You are clearly incapable of reading what i just wrote. It's pointless to argue with you about this.
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So Grackaroni what's up? Who's mafia?
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That's the point. He calls people scum without telling why they are scum.
Did you read his defence? He twists every piece of argument into something that it isn't and calls me names.
rofl, i am not switching my vote. I yell you at post game if you don't see why that dude is mafia.
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yes.
But i'll give you a prime example that proves templar is mafia.
Since you all are incapable of going to the Really small mafia game and read his filter which is 100% the same kind of play he does this game here:
Look at his stance on Grack this game. This is the last fucking time i repeat this.
D1: Grack is town because he follows a good case by templar
D2: When VE flips town Grack is mafia because he followed a bad case and "forced a mislynch" (which by templar's logic should be HIS fault as he made the case).
This is what he did in Really small mafia, these are my posts on him on D2:
On January 14 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 12:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'm going off my reads elaborated in the previous pages which currently point to Rayn as the likely scum and Artanis as likely town. Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 09:09 Corazon wrote:
Artanis [Xp], as a VT, ate radioactive Scooby Snax and died!
It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. I'm working on finding a replacement for Derrida. Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
At this point, I'm going to have to say it's between Derrida or Giggle. They both had pretty crappy reasons for voting on Mocsta, who had practically buried himself. In fact, I don't even think Derrida gave a reason, he just hammered the vote and claimed confirmed town for doing it. Meanwhile, Giggle simply claimed it was a policy lynch. I liked a lot of what Giggle contributed on D1 so that just leaves Derrida.
scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum.
On January 14 2014 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 07:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:You want some reasons even though you've given none on why I'm scum? 1. First actual post with reads On January 10 2014 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have read.
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
Derrida is a pretty pretty town. Holyflare most likely town for realising it. You sheep HF's read on Derrida that didn't even have any reasons behind it to begin with. You then vote on me for no reason aside from going hard on someone you've cleared as town without any reason. 2. Next actual real post with any reads - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=11#203You pocket HF by giving a biased argument centered around me and everyone else being responsible for shitting up the thread, and say HF isn't responsible when the first two pages of his filter are spam. HF hasn't even given a read on the game at this point (aside from saying Derrida is confirmed town), yet you know he's town. How's that scum? Your reasons are bullshit. You can't call me mafia for something i have done at the start of D1, when you have townread me at the start of D2!!You are making shit up.
On January 14 2014 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you voted me because you were "speculating a possible scenario you can back off if needed".
That's like textbook scum play, not commiting on a read, leaving yourself outs left and right.
GGTeMpLaR is so mafia it comes out from his ears, can you guys please just vote for him so we can end this gmae?
What he does is he twists the same information to fit a scenario that benefits him the most. He calls people town and mafia based on same information depending on which furthers his agenda the best.
This dude is 100% mafia, his play matches exactly his play on his ONLY scumgame on this forum and it's NOTHING like his townplay. + his posts are full of crap and his reads do not evolve naturally.
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On March 11 2014 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's the point. He calls people scum without telling why they are scum.
Did you read his defence? He twists every piece of argument into something that it isn't and calls me names.
rofl, i am not switching my vote. I yell you at post game if you don't see why that dude is mafia. True but to be fair this seems like a dm thing somehow. Just look at boone - she does exactly the same. Or are you calling both of them mafia?
GGtemplar has been playing here, he is not a total noob in forum mafia. Look at his towngames, it's nothing like this.
Please do it for me.
TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart
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On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone.
Elaborate on this please. Also why is Templar not a good lynch?
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What about his terrible posts?
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Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop.
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On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where?
Nevermind. It's not relevant.
One question:
Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1?
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On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched.
Yes this is actually true.
But i still don't think Dandel is mafia.
How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel?
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On March 11 2014 21:37 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where? Nevermind. It's not relevant. One question: Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1? Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that. I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip.
I meant it's irrelevant because Dandel is not getting lynched today anyways. I kinda get what you are saying and why but it's irrelevant to continue the discussion on Dandel today.
But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works.
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On March 11 2014 21:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched. Yes this is actually true. But i still don't think Dandel is mafia. How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel? eh still townie. He stayed on the fence until the end of the day but he voted for Killing so he gets credit for that.
Do you think he pushed Killing's lynch, especially based on the fact he called VE a terrible lynch at D2 start?
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On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:40 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched. Yes this is actually true. But i still don't think Dandel is mafia. How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel? eh still townie. He stayed on the fence until the end of the day but he voted for Killing so he gets credit for that. Do you think he pushed Killing's lynch, especially based on the fact he called VE a terrible lynch at D2 start?
I mean, by your definition (what you said about Dandel), shouldn't you read Robik as mafia because he did not defend VE who was a "terrible lynch"? Or what's different in your opinion in this situation?
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Can you make a case on your top scumread Grack?
It doesn't matter who it is.
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Also before you do so could you answer my question about JAT?
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On March 11 2014 21:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:37 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where? Nevermind. It's not relevant. One question: Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1? Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that. I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip. I meant it's irrelevant because Dandel is not getting lynched today anyways. I kinda get what you are saying and why but it's irrelevant to continue the discussion on Dandel today. But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works. I can double check but I don't think he was pushing me entirely for killing VE, but for my play as a whole. If he is actually trying to shift all of the blame for the mislynch on to me then perhaps I misspoke.
He has been pushing you because you "forced a mislynch on VE" and because "Killing's read on you was fishy" and because "you havn't done shit".
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And because you defended Killing on D1.
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Dandel i don't think the last point is a good one because mafia!Grack would know there is no way you are going to get lynched so what you say does not make sense from mafia perspective. Every single mafia in this game knows i am town and therefore you will not get lynched today no matter who pushes you.
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I refuse to answer that question Grackaroni.
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On March 11 2014 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:59 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.
Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.
Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine. You were there. You talked about Killing being scum earlier in the day when he wasn't getting much pressure. You said you were going to stick to the Templar lynch when he wasn't going to be lynched, but then when the vote was changeable you switched to VE because you had a hunch that Palmar might have had a good reason to switch. I don't know why you are still alive at this point to be honest. well I know I'm not scum. That doesn't mean you aren't. nope. It's not the same. Wrong, I said I would stay on templar when he had a very good shot at getting lynched still. I mean the main reason I said that was because I didn't think I would be back in time for the deadline, but point stands. IIRC he was only one vote behind the voteleader at the time. The rest, well it's just a summary of what I did. It doesn't make me scum that I did stuff. IN FACT, it makes me super incredible confirmed town that I did anything. At all.
ahahahah this is 100% true
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Grackaroni have you played a game where Dandel was mafia?
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On March 11 2014 22:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Lol Rayn you are usually a stickler for vote justification. You don't think Dandel Ion's actions are even remotely strange?
I think Dandel is one of the easiest players to meta on TL and i can't believe he is mafia in this game based on meta.
I don't think his vote on D1 was too suspicious, yes, it was strange, but i find people who bitched about the D1 lynch more suspicious / hypocrite than people who straight up admit they were wrong / didn't do enough and don't twist shit regarding D1.
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Like, i mean if you did not do anything you could to make your target lynched on D1 you are not allowed to bitch about people who mislynched. Especially if they DID something about the lynch.
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Fair enough, i can see what you are saying.
Do you think both mafia were on VE or not?
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On March 11 2014 22:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 22:15 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, i mean if you did not do anything you could to make your target lynched on D1 you are not allowed to bitch about people who mislynched. Especially if they DID something about the lynch. Who me? Can't be directed at you. I think this goes to robik et al
It was directed to Grack regarding my post before the quoted one.
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Fuck i thought boone didn't vote for VE..
bad me.
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On March 11 2014 10:10 Alakaslam wrote:
So
See vote thread.
RAYN DEFENSE THYSELF WASSUP WITH YOU DEFENSE KILLING BRO
U DEFENSE KILLING BRO
I think it has something to do with this.
I just have no idea what lol.
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I don't want to lynch Grack.
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On March 11 2014 09:00 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, the case checking has become a full filter read on rayn. I have to be insane. I am still not 100% sold on him especially because of things like this: Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On Killing i am not so sure. I totally get his point about the contradiction, but the thing is it's not only mafia that contradicts themself and to be honest what does mafia!Killing gain in calling boone not mafia and then calling her mafia? At least half of the town at that time thought boone was mafia and given Killing's conclusion (boone best lynch) why not just be consistent in his read? Of course it's possible that he jsut fucked up his thought process as scum in one post but that's not usually what mafia does because they are more careful in what they post. I have VERY RARELY seen mafia contradict themselves in single post like that. I don't understand why robik just decides Killing is mafia based on that and does not investigate that any further, especially given that he was weighing the lynch between VE/Killing at the eod1. (1): Holy shit is that bad. Especially if you are grilling people for contradictions all the fucking time. I can see where he is coming from regarding templar but I don't know if I want to lynch that guy over Grack atm tbh (I don't understand why rayn is defending Grack all game). I don't remember this to be Gracks townplay. (2): General complaint: Rayn, your new case on templar reads more like a summary of what he did than an explanation for why he is scum for the most part (I know it can be figured out what you mean usually) and I am not a fan of linking posts instead of quoting them. It makes it harder to follow your thought process. Situation right now: Would lynch into Grack/Templar.
A couple of things:
1) I don't "grill people for contradictions". I grill them for shit that does not make sense to me from town perspective. I know townies contradict themselves all the time and i didn't see any scum motivation for Killing to say what he did about boone. If you think that makes me mafia fair enough, but it doesn't. That was my opinion and apparently i was wrong.
2) That's not true JAT. If you read my post i have pointed out clear leaps of logic in Templars posts. I pointed out stuff that does not make any sense from town perspective.
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You should know me JAT. I rarely give a shit about what people post, i give a shit about WHY they do post what they do.
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I don't give a fuck if Slam is voting for me or not since his vote tells more about him than it does about me.
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On March 11 2014 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You should know me JAT. I rarely give a shit about what people post, i give a shit about WHY they do post what they do. Maybe. But what I see in this quote is you defending a mafia with weak and suspicious reasoning. Anyways you should probably discuss this with slam since he is the one voting you for it. You are not my lynch for today.
Also i gave a clear reasoning why in my opinion Killing's post did not make sense from mafia perspective. Agreed?
So if you think i am scum for that why don't you then say so?
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Because being wrong does not make anyone mafia and my my resaoning is not suspicious unless you want to point out why, then we can discuss it.
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On March 11 2014 22:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Fair enough, but you don't want his vote to end up there, do you?
Of course i don't.
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On March 11 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because being wrong does not make anyone mafia and my my resaoning is not suspicious unless you want to point out why, then we can discuss it.
Like I really hate when people do this. Killing's alignment does not make my post any less townie/scummy. Because i gave a clear reasoning why i said what i did. If people want to call me mafia for that post they should have done so right after i made the post, not after Killing flips mafia because the flip is IRRELEVANT. Being wrong =/= mafia and i would hope people would learn that at some point..
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On March 10 2014 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
D1:
At the start of the game templar has Killing as town because he pointed out good stuff on Palmar.
A bit later templar changes his read on killing to be scum because of what robik said.
When the votes start to pile on VE/Killing instead of him, Killing is not anymore mafia and Robik gets demoted from strong town (wasn't the stuff good anymore?).
Grackaroni is strong town because he realized same stuff templar did about VE and pushes his lynch.
In the end of D1 Killing is back to being mafia "in case scumbuddy flips at least i called him scum".
D2:
At the start of the day Dandel gets a townread for what JAT said in QT.
Grackaroni is mafia because he pushed VE lynch for stuff templar thought was good aswell!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!
templar points out more evidence for Killing being mafia, but likes Boone/Killing/Robik a lot less, there's probably at least one mafia in them but doesn't know who it is yet. This makes no sense given his stance on them EOD1.
He calls boone mafia because boone is casting light suspicion on Palmar but not trying to lynch him. Notice templar's top scumread has been me throughout the game, and he has shown no interest in building a case on me nor convincing anyone to vote for me.
Then he votes for Slam out of nowhere, "because he has done nothing but troll". But this is what he said a while back; "Kinda like Palmar/Slam still". He asks a couple of people about their stance on Slam.
When me and Oats vote for Killing templar comes in with a "case", but hey, he still wants to kill me the most. It does not matter his top scumread is voting for the same target he ends up voting for.
He points out Palmar's alignment is not necessarily related to Killing's or that we can't deduce Palmar's alignment based on Killing's.
D3:
Votes for Grack because Grack defended Killing on D1 and pushed VE lynch instead.
Says "(just to make it more clear, Killing had 2 scum yesterday, Robik was his top scumread, Grack was his second. his reasoning on Grack was weird/awkward as hell)". This should point into Grack being town because if mafia's reasoning for someone to be mafia is awkward it's more likely they can't come up with a good reasoning because the target is town. As mafia it's easy to make a case on mafia because you already know the other person is mafia. So this reasoning is pure bullshit.
Suddenly Dandel is scum again because Grack is scum too and templar "can see them both being mafia with Killing".
Boone could be mafia because she called Grack/Dandel scum yesterday (with myself as a possible fourth) and has been defending Rayn a lot. If she really nailed it there mafia would have certainly killed her in the night (no reason not to hit two birds with one stone).
Ends up voting for Palmar.
TLDR; DO I SERIOUSLY NEED TO FUCKING WRITE ANOTHER PARAGRAPH WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THESE THINGS TEMPLAR HAS DONE?
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
On March 10 2014 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are three things that are important, here they are (in order from most important -> less important):
1) His stance on Killing. Every time Killing was not under attack (after the start of the game) templar calls him mafia. When Killing is under attack someone else is mafia. See especially his reads on D1 and his "push" on Slam on D2 when the thread was discussing killing/grack.
2) His reads do not evolve rationally. He calls people town and mafia for same reason. He calls people who do same things he does mafia. His stances on people make absolutely no sense as i have pointed out many times.
3) When he's been called out he does not attack people's arguments rather than the people behind the arguments.
If there is something you don't understand or want me to elaborate more on please do ask.
The bolded & underlined parts go together with (2). Everything else basically goes together with (1). (3) is a general observation from all of his posts. I would also add (4) which is that i have noticed a pattern in his activity which is that he is not here posting at any point other than when he is under attack from someone. That does tell about him not wanting to figure out the game instead of just wanting to survive which is a basic mafia trait.
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On March 11 2014 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because being wrong does not make anyone mafia and my my resaoning is not suspicious unless you want to point out why, then we can discuss it. We could. But my time is limited and it doesn't help us finding the lynch target for today so I'd rather not have to argue with you. Don't need no PYP LOL 2.
Then don't, because i am town.
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Also you should put your votes on ggtemplar.
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Not only the case but his defence was "the stuff rayn says is just incorrect, fabricated, etc etc.." without pointing out why.
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Funny thing. templar says he has been pro-active and trying to figure out shit. JAT go through templar's filter, ctrl+f "?" in his filter and see how many questions & conclusions based on those questions he does have in his filter.
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EBWOP: questions that can be even remotely labeled as "trying to figure out the game" in case it wasn't clear.
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Don't worry this lynch is my baby.
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On March 11 2014 23:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Funny thing. templar says he has been pro-active and trying to figure out shit. JAT go through templar's filter, ctrl+f "?" in his filter and see how many questions & conclusions based on those questions he does have in his filter. Nice observation. There are nearly no questions that are gaining him information. There are rhetorical questions, questions used in his own defense but apart from that... Possibly useless observation: If he for once posts a real question then it's often directed at slam or about slam somehow. This might be the strongest argument you brought up thus far.
The problem is not necessarily that do does that. The problem is he claims he has been pro-active in trying to figure out the game which is definitely not true based on what i said.
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Like, some people are not pro-active. They observe and make conclusions. But claiming you have been pro-active when you are not is a straight out lie.
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Yes boone is one to watch. Especially since i think Palmar is not mafia. It's possible that mafia has a roleblocker and she is a medic but as there is a cop i'd say it's more likely that there is a GF/framer (based purely on balance).
Also the nightkills kinda implicate she is town, otherwise i don't see anyone making those kills (unless mafia is all DM, but that's WIFOM so screw that).
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stfu and go do something useful robert.
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You should all be voting for templar because:
1) he is mafia
2) nobody has told why my case is bad so apparently noone disagrees with it
3) there is no other case
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he also calls boone & Palmar mafia but ends up voting for... SURPRISE SURPRISE me for Oats' case I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED!!!
Fucking BS! So fucking BS. scum.
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Oh and he calls me town. trololol.
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On March 11 2014 09:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So there's far too many people this game who don't know how to read for them all to be scum, so most of the people doing dumb shit are probably just incompetent/lazy town who SHOULD feel stupid as hell when I flip green.
At this point the best thing I can do is try to have my vote on scum when I die so I can feel better about getting lynched by logical fallacies.
Rayn is probably just a noob town tunneled on me at this point, partially motivated by a meta-read from another game.
The way Palmar completely flipped on him/me though felt weak as fuck. I thought Palmar was scummy D1, and after analyzing the votes he's probably with Grack or Dandelion. Fortunately you still have a misslynch after you kill me so if you kill Palmar tomorrow, the order in which you kill Grack/Dandel doesn't matter too much. Kill the three of them and you probably win the game.
I was seduced into townreading Dandel by JAT after the D1 flip but in light of Killing flipping scum I think it's possible his analysis was just wrong, sort of like how he's wrong on me right now. If he's right though the last one is Grack.
I scumread Dandel/Palmar D1 as well and D2 Grack went on my radar. Rayn defended all three of them and pushed me the whole game. No one wants to lynch rayn so if rayn is scum, all the town should feel stupid because they are (although they probably won't. they'll just blame me).
And if I'm right that it's Palmar and Dandel or Grack, then Rayn should feel stupid for defending mafia against a town accuser the whole game and pushing a lynch on a townie who was trying to kill scum (although they probably won't. they'll just blame me).
##Vote: Palmar
On March 12 2014 02:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2014 02:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On March 12 2014 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 12 2014 01:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Anyways, right now, assuming Rayn is wrong, I can't really put stock into his townreads because I know his reads are shit this game. He will get time to re-evaluate them once I flip green though so hopefully he can figure this shit out after he wastes one of the misslynches based on a "meta-read".
I know there seems to be this huge town circle from Rayn/Palmar that seems to conclude that Grack/Dandel/Palmar/Rayn/Slam are all town but I know this can't be the case because I'm fairly confident that Robik is town now so it can't be Robik/Boone, meaning someone is pretty fucking wrong.
So your scumread on rayn has vanished? It's not vanished. If I meta-read him he's playing almost the same as his other town game (although not exactly the same). I'm suspicious over that small discrepancy but it's so small it could just be regular town-town discrepancy in his play. I think his accusations against me are bullshit but apparently I'm the only one (aside from the Grack point I concede). I can sort of understand where he's coming from though, and almost everyone here seems to think he's town at this point so it's pretty pointless beating a dead horse. If he's mafia you guys probably already lost. In any case he isn't the lynch today. Ok. If you think so there are only 2 ways for you to survive this day. 1) You convince rayn that you are town. Unlikely. 2) You make a better case on a mafia. Maybe possible. Rayn is clearing Grack/Dandel. It's still possible Rayn is wrong because he is clouded by me, but I sort of liked Grack's/Dandel's contributions today. That basically leaves Palmar as an almost necessary scum.I don't think both Boone/Killing would be rolled mafia together when it's both of their first forum games, but it's possible. Boone has been off this game for me so I'm suspicious of her. If I ignore meta things like that and the medic claim, she would be my #1 lynch even before Palmar.
On March 12 2014 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn
Can we kill this scum already?
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Boone is almost definitely mafia if templar is mafia. She has done everything to defend him and the nightkills make absolutely zero sense for most of the TL players. Or Slam, if the check is somehow fucked up.
In an imaginary world where templar is town 2 out of you/Grack/boone. Maybe even Slam if the check is fucked up. His vote is so terrible. But i don't live in imaginary world so i haven't really paid attention to this.
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No you are insane if you are trying to tell me templar has made "some amazing logical arguments against people (right or wrong)".
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How the fuck can you and Robik even argue he is town based on meta when NEITHER OF YOU HAVE PLAYED WITH HIM IN FORUM MAFIA!?!?!?
Jesus christ a copule of hours ago you AGREED with me that THIS LOOKS LIKE HIS SCUMPLAY"!!!
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On March 12 2014 01:24 boonetown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:yes. But i'll give you a prime example that proves templar is mafia. Since you all are incapable of going to the Really small mafia game and read his filter which is 100% the same kind of play he does this game here: Look at his stance on Grack this game. This is the last fucking time i repeat this. D1: Grack is town because he follows a good case by templar D2: When VE flips town Grack is mafia because he followed a bad case and "forced a mislynch" (which by templar's logic should be HIS fault as he made the case). This is what he did in Really small mafia, these are my posts on him on D2: On January 14 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 12:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'm going off my reads elaborated in the previous pages which currently point to Rayn as the likely scum and Artanis as likely town. On January 13 2014 09:09 Corazon wrote:
Artanis [Xp], as a VT, ate radioactive Scooby Snax and died!
It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. I'm working on finding a replacement for Derrida.On January 13 2014 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
At this point, I'm going to have to say it's between Derrida or Giggle. They both had pretty crappy reasons for voting on Mocsta, who had practically buried himself. In fact, I don't even think Derrida gave a reason, he just hammered the vote and claimed confirmed town for doing it. Meanwhile, Giggle simply claimed it was a policy lynch. I liked a lot of what Giggle contributed on D1 so that just leaves Derrida.
scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum. On January 14 2014 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2014 07:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:You want some reasons even though you've given none on why I'm scum? 1. First actual post with reads On January 10 2014 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have read.
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
Derrida is a pretty pretty town. Holyflare most likely town for realising it. You sheep HF's read on Derrida that didn't even have any reasons behind it to begin with. You then vote on me for no reason aside from going hard on someone you've cleared as town without any reason. 2. Next actual real post with any reads - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=11#203You pocket HF by giving a biased argument centered around me and everyone else being responsible for shitting up the thread, and say HF isn't responsible when the first two pages of his filter are spam. HF hasn't even given a read on the game at this point (aside from saying Derrida is confirmed town), yet you know he's town. How's that scum? Your reasons are bullshit. You can't call me mafia for something i have done at the start of D1, when you have townread me at the start of D2!!You are making shit up. On January 14 2014 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you voted me because you were "speculating a possible scenario you can back off if needed".
That's like textbook scum play, not commiting on a read, leaving yourself outs left and right.
GGTeMpLaR is so mafia it comes out from his ears, can you guys please just vote for him so we can end this gmae? What he does is he twists the same information to fit a scenario that benefits him the most. He calls people town and mafia based on same information depending on which furthers his agenda the best. This dude is 100% mafia, his play matches exactly his play on his ONLY scumgame on this forum and it's NOTHING like his townplay. + his posts are full of crap and his reads do not evolve naturally. it's pretty much identical.. (by the way i just got back so i have like, 5 pages to read through, sorry guys!)
Explain this post right now boone!
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On March 12 2014 05:49 IAmRobik wrote:
the dandelion read/conviction is 100% based off of meta?
Not 100%.
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On March 12 2014 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
Rayn. I think his play this game is subpar. I think a lot of people are playing poorly. Having said that, he made that one post about "Killing has become this killed". The lighthearted tone of this post is difficult to emulate as mafia because mafia would be upset about a lynch of their teammate, not jovial.
That's bullshit. In Really Small mafia he also made those "lighthearted" posts.
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If you can't fake you are happy about a scum lynch or sad about a town lynch in forum mafia you probably should not play forum mafia because you are absolutely terrible.
Noone is that terrible and i don't think your argument is very good Robert.
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I will not lynch Grackaroni. period.
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So how can you read him as town BECAUSE OF META?
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Jesus guys you are idiots.
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fucking dandel you are dumb.
please don't be dumb.
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btw i dislike the fact that the only mafia power role can't communicate with their scumbuddies and has powers that can only incriminate them.
gg wp town.
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The point of mafia game is that there is informed minority and uninformed majority.
If you make the minority uninformed you should give some serious tools to fuck with the majority.
2 goons and a dude who can't communicate with his scumteam and can't decide on night kills is not fair.
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what the fuck ever.
try playing the setup yourself when you need to try do something when you have no idea what your team does.
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apparently yamato should not be able to even vote on D3.
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On March 12 2014 07:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn, imagine if grack had acted sanely and voted for templar, then your extra vote secures the GG mislynch
now town can't blindly trust seldon
then, the next day you write your own seldon message designed to lead town down a path of your choosing
the next day the real seldon comes in and goes "hey guys that last one wasn't me"
and now town has NO IDEA what to think of anything seldon does
Of course it is mafia because it's retarded to give mafia TWO extra votes on D3.
Any sane person can figure that shit out instantly.
If the vote would have actually changed (which would be AT LEAST SOMEWHAT reasonable when you can't even kill the cop in the whole game!!"!!!) i would have had a plan.
But there is no point when every action you have besides the roleblock hits yourself in the face at some point unless you of course lynch townies every day and win the game on D4. Which can't be reasonably done because you are not allowed to discuss strategy with your team....
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Yes town played really well in this game. I agree.
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On March 12 2014 07:39 Grackaroni wrote:
And I didn't even remember Rayn had another vote because I didn't talk to him all game long. None of the people on me wanted to save me over Templar so I thought maybe Robik would switch to Dandel and I can sneak onto Templar.
Like this is the point.
How are we supposed to know what to do like mafia usually does in the game?
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On March 12 2014 07:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I apologize if I got unusually BM this game.
Don't worry. If it's because of me it's usually reasonable (despite that i was not being BM to you - at least i tried not to)
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It was literally impossible to win when Grack got lynched.
EDIT: When i could not incriminate Hari Seldon.
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Why the fuck do i always roll mafia in imba games?
I should probably stop playing heavily theamed setups.
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On March 12 2014 08:07 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It was literally impossible to win when Grack got lynched.
EDIT: When i could not incriminate Hari Seldon. It is never impossible to win if you are able to fool folks. That being said that can be really really really hard to the point that it may as well be impossible
It was. Every night kill incriminated me.
I had to defend my buddies because i did not want to bus them because the game becomes 100000x harder every day.
I could have probably lynched someone still, maybe 2 guys with a shitton of luck but 3 mislynches after hard-defending 2 mafia nonono.
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btw i am going to say this right now.
from this game on i will policy lynch anyone who posts a townie seal.
i refuse to vote for anyone else than a seal poster and i refuse to post anything until they/me die.
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Well i could fake being you once. That does not really help..
Because you can clear yourself the next night.
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I still don't understand the austin kill. Why kill someone everyone is suspicious of?
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If i knew Hari Seldon was someone not in the players i would have totally framed Slam.
I was flip-flopping between myself, Palmar and Killing and ended up framing Killing (because i thought he gets checked and the cop will at least soft-defend him on D2 as he gets a green check).
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On March 12 2014 08:42 IAmRobik wrote:
That's fucking weird that I'm the only one who read Austin town. What fucking mafia takes however fucking long it took him to write a long ass post on what someone (VE) could be mafia (the case wasn't even that good) after saying "i don't know why you want me to do this" insinuating that he was going to be voting Joey anyway.
Because it's a fluff post that does not matter and possibly counts as a "contribution".
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On March 12 2014 08:45 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 12 2014 08:42 IAmRobik wrote:
That's fucking weird that I'm the only one who read Austin town. What fucking mafia takes however fucking long it took him to write a long ass post on what someone (VE) could be mafia (the case wasn't even that good) after saying "i don't know why you want me to do this" insinuating that he was going to be voting Joey anyway.
Because it's a fluff post that does not matter and possibly counts as a "contribution". In a game where the voting is close, ESPECIALLY where the voting is close between mafia and townies, mafia wouldn't give up the last 20 minutes of the day to go write a case on a townie that they don't think is mafia. imo The moment killing flips, not only was I pushing him D1, but instead of messing with votes or trying to do anything to save a buddy, I go write a case on a guy all the while saying I think he's town. I don't see mafia doing that.
Yes but Killing was not supposed to flip. That's the point.
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I mean i am 80% sure if i was in the scum QT Killing would have not gotten lynched on D2.
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On March 12 2014 08:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
dunno JAT was pretty damn obvious town.
0 paranoia was had about him
You'd be surprised how similar his posting is as mafia on D1.
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Also you were totes the MVP Oats.
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Now everyone let's go play the MSPaint Titanic game. Maybe we can be friends there austin!
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lol i didn't even think about that austin.
You ask weird shit all the time, i thought you were just making up some of your usual shit haha.
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So i totally did not claim cop.
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On March 12 2014 09:21 austinmcc wrote:You 100% claimed cop. then a couple minutes later Show nested quote +rayn rayn, I'm actually really interested in this, just for a moment.
(1) /m36 ? (my question)
(2) If no, how do you propose we magically confirm people in here? And you said you would be koshi, a couple times. And I hinted that I was saying something in particular Then later I have you as possibly scum "if you're lying."
I don't know how you can say i claimed a cop when i had no idea what your question was about and i really did not pay attention to it and just answered something. I have no reason to lie because the game is over.
EDIT: I mean i can see now what you mean and i have to say it was quite brilliant. It's just that you have to know the other person really well. I had no idea what you meant and if we were both town and alive later on that would have probably been a disaster haha.
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On March 12 2014 13:45 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah, mafia wasn't proactive enough about discrediting me. If they knew about me from the beginning, it's their own damn fault, IMO.
I think it's stupid to assume there is a player in the game who actually is not in the game IMO.
The only thing i could discredit on N1 was a check on Killing, there was nothing too dangerous GIVEN THE PLAYERS IN THE GAME.
Later on i could have discredited EVERYONE IN THE GAME, because yes, i had a plan.
The only way i could discredit you was the telepathy. Now do you suggest i discredit you on N1 by using the telepathy ability when you can just go "hey there is a scum dude who can fuck up with this so pay attention, also i am town so this probably means..". Basically the ONLY thing i could do i to CANCEL your effect (or making it WIFOM - ane even that is only MAYBE), which i did not know in the first place because i thought you were a player in the game (because everything else is just dumb).
The extra vote was just dumb how it worked. The only thing it could do is to incriminate my team unless you succesfully use it on LYLO. Otherwise it's just a proof that there is a mafia dude who has an extra vote, and my role said it was one shot so the best way to use it is on LYLO. Why should i assume i get ANOTHER vote when i use it??
So basically we were playing 11-3 with no ability to cooperate and a cop who could not vote but also could not be killed and has an ability to watch the game as an outsider (which usually makes making reads easier because the mafia does not even fucking know they are playing against you).
I would like to see marv roll mafia in a game like that and then he can come tell me i "whine like a little bitch".
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Oh i am sorry, the cop in fact COULD vote. rofl.
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On March 12 2014 19:34 marvellosity wrote:
seriously though, everything you say about balance is invalid.
Well i suggest you try playing a game like this.
Hell the host can make me an unkillable observer cop so i can just give reads and scum need to guess which guy that would be, individually.
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For example from what yamato said he caught Grack purely because he was in fact not in the game.
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If i could access scum QT and Hari Seldon was one of the players in the game i think it would be fair.
Not being able to communicate is the biggest imbalance in mafia game for scum.
Also marv, think about it, what if you had been Hari Seldon without mafia knowing it. You would have totally caught me on D1. Because as scum you are supposed to evaluate what you can get away with based on who the players are. I didn't know i was playing against yamato, why should i assume so? Also not being in game gives you an edge over other people because you can just tell what you see, you don't have to think about if you get lynched or if people believe you or not. You don't have to defend yourself in any case. You can just tell what you think.
Because i was playing against people in the game i wanted to see what this Sheldon guy does on N1, to get clues on who they are and from there on HOW TO DISCREDIT them. I made a plan, and i think it could have won us the game. Except that it would not because the Sheldon guy was not in the game. So we were TOTALLY an uninformed minority, whih in my opinion is NOT balanced.
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Also i think the scum extra vote should cancel town extra vote (make it so that Sheldon moves his vote). Otherwise it's nothing but a proof that there is a scum role that can fuck with the Sheldon guy, which in fact helps the town...
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How do you suggest i should have proceeded to do it this game so that it's good for scum given that i thought he was someone in the game?
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Like you can't just say "wow you are so bad you should have done something".
I am perfectly capable of admitting i am wrong if i am in fact wrong and someone can tell me why. But given the information and the tools i had i do not see how i could have done anything that does not hurt my team in the long run.
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Well idk, maybe it's my fault because i just couldn't assume there would be another player who is not really in the game because i think it's just completely BS.
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On March 13 2014 00:29 Koshi wrote:
rayn is always mafia when it is the most fucked up mafia setup.
It is known.
I gave him a scumread for it in Suspicion mafia but the set up was not crazy enough. Evul scummers lying and stuff.
Well i was town in the Mini PYP so not always.
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I think role-cop was really useless ability, that's what i figured out really quick.
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rofl i just noticed that too.
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On March 13 2014 00:45 Koshi wrote:
Also. Rayn almost has exact same post number as me.
We must post in turns in Titanic game.
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On March 13 2014 00:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
here's another thing, it's really hard to balance out all these weird ass roles because you have no idea how the players are going to use them
-2nd foundation... I never would have thought that somebody who gets to be in a secret qt would have claimed the qt on d1. that was actually meant to be a buff to the mule. so no, the 2nd foundation wasn't random, i'd always planned on throwing the mule in there with 2 random townies, and since i knew i was going to pick a good scum player as mule I figured it'd be a buff for the mule. boonetown inadvertantly spoiled your advantage there
-seldon messages and town's reaction to seldon... I didn't expect that yamato's first post would be so... boring? i guess in hindsight what he did was probably correct play because it gave scum as little info as possible. i kinda expected him to claim "yamato" or something. I NEVER thought that town would be so trusting of seldon as they were. a few people grew paranoid when yamato voted grack, and who knows how more paranoid they would have been if the mule used telepathy. i think yamato's reads were just so good that it was very difficult for town not to trust him
That's one of my points.
You basically can't balance the game based on it "looks good on paper".
Basically the only way for scum to play that game was lynch townies every day. That was the ONLY way i could actually discredit Sheldon:
N1) find out what's thet guy up to
N2) make people know there is something that fucks up with the power
N3) drop a really hugeass WIFOM bomb
*losing one mafia is acceptable at this point. you can still win*
N4) make Sheldon work for you because of the WIFOM
D4-D5) LYLO, use the extra vote and ggnore.
If you lose 2 mafia the game becomes unwinnable because you can't deal with the Sheldon role (especially as i didn't know i could use the extra vote again).
One of the problems was that i could not tell the game plan to my team.
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On March 13 2014 01:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
i don't know.
i think i probably underestimated what you could have assumed about your role given the information you had about seldon (minimal, but more than every player)
i think you are probably underestimating how much damage your seldon abilities could have caused town given the information town had about seldon (none)
like imagine you are a townie. they didn;t know anything about seldon! alakaslam even decided it was so crazy it most have been host wifom. this seldon guy (apparently) has multiple votes even though he claims to only have 1, he leaves you messages, one of them missing letters, some of the messages don't agree with each other and seldon might even have to discredit himself by saying "i totally didn't write that last message and that vote wasn't me"
what about this scenario:
you use telepathy for the D3 (seldon's 2nd chance to post) post, and in that post you say "guys! that D2 post wasn't me! i'm town, so there must be some way for mafia to interfere what i'm doing!"
then real seldon shows up D4 and goes "uh guys the D3 seldon is the real liar! trust me, not him! btw here is my town cop check on alakaslam"
then tduring D4 the mule uses his extra vote on alakaslam. then the real seldon must immediately use HIS vote on not-slam
so from town's perspective, seldon has been essentially fighting and aruging with himself. if you are a townie who is naturally suspicious of everyone and everything, are you ever going to trust this guy as implicitly as everyone trusted yamato?
That's what i was trying to do onwards into the game!
I was going to claim a red check on myself from N2 so it doesn't even matter if town believes the Sheldon or not but the check is WIFOM and the messages can't be trusted and hopefully i gain so much town credit i can save Grackaroni until eternity.
If i knew the Sheldon role was not a player in the game i would have started earlier. I wanted them to claim and work for scum instead of the town. I still think it's unreasonable to assume there is a guy in the game who is really not there. Ugh.. that kinda fucked over me because i just couldn't assume so.
But yeah thrawn, i got the idea, i just approached it a bit differently because i thought the Sheldon guy was in the game and i wanted to figure out who he is (by letting him give a non-fake N1 message as they can't possibly claim their check).
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Like this:
"My post was fucked with on D3. My vote was fucked with on D3. There is something wrong. I checked rayn N2 he is mafia. I checked rayn N2 he is mafia. I checked rayn N2 he is mafia. I checked rayn N2 he is mafia. I checked rayn N2 he is mafia. I checked rayn N2 he is mafia."
wat to do, who to trust?
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On March 13 2014 01:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh another things, the jamming ability...
I think it actually ended up being pro-seldon instead of anti-seldon as intended. People spent so much time reading the message trying to decode it that yamato's will to lynch grack probably bled into the thread in a way it woudn't have if town hadn't of had to work for the message.
Yeah that's actually true.
But honestly for me it did not matter. It was not the message's fault Grack got lynched, it was his own fault. The only thing i wanted to achieve with jamming the message was to tell "there is something that can fuck with you".
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