[M][T] Foundation Mafia

On March 04 2014 07:58 Palmar wrote:


Wanna random lynch?

On March 04 2014 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:

HIJOLE THE KENPACHI GRACK

THE KENPACHI

On March 04 2014 09:46 Alakaslam wrote:

Former

See my CHALLENGE!

On March 04 2014 14:59 Alakaslam wrote:

Yess, mah brodda

Page 35 FTW, we must collect Lion King .GIFs

And clips in Spanish.

Also, rare photos of the epic 35 and such, but I will provide.

On March 04 2014 15:02 Alakaslam wrote:

More than one

On March 05 2014 01:50 Palmar wrote:


Btw at what point do you intend to do anything useful btw.

I mean you've thrown out a town-read on slam, which at the time was justified I think, and you seem to think I'm town (your wording that the two players mentioned are buddying me seems to imply that I must be town).

Do you think it's likely rayn is scum? If so, why?

On March 05 2014 02:58 Dandel Ion wrote:

If it's wrong she still fakeclaimed it and we lynch her

On March 05 2014 05:25 VisceraEyes wrote:

No Alak has been providing limited opinions - I say limited because he's intentionally trying to make himself hard to understand.

Grack has also been providing opinions, but what he's been doing I wouldn't classify as trolling, and that's why I say he's not fearless this game. He quickly faded off the trolling early and got to business, and I don't expect that from a town-aligned Grack.

On March 05 2014 03:45 austinmcc wrote:
AFK 40ish.


SLAM

• Mind meld with boone. Is her revealing our QT townie or scummy and why?
• Pick DI or oats or Killing please, and give your thoughts on them, BUT at least 60% of the words you use to give your thoughts must start with the letter R.
• Why are you not RNG lynching?

GRACK

• You summoned Oats, he appeared and has posted a good bit. What are your thoughts on Oats?
• You disliked rayn's post on me, can you speak about his other posts as well, an overall read on rayn? If you'd like, you can do so using at least 50% words that start with the letter T.
• Who are the three MOST NULL people in this game right now?

On March 05 2014 06:32 austinmcc wrote:
Grack, thanks for the oats bit. Care to divulge your thoughts on rayn?

On March 05 2014 04:28 boonetown wrote:


Austin is leaning town more and more, which is unfortunate because I was pretty happy thinking I found a mafia in the QT. GGtemp, if you have ever seen him play, is the most paranoid town player in the history of mafia, ever. He would rather sleep every single day of the game in order to not mislynch someone. He only votes if he's mafia, or if he knows the vote won't go through, as a trolly way to make it look like he made a choice. Either templar isn't even trying, or he's mafia. That's where I'm currently at with his allignment.

On March 05 2014 07:33 Dandel Ion wrote:

He's the polar opposite of her description of his townplay.

On March 05 2014 07:38 austinmcc wrote:
Palmar you can respond if you want, or fight with me, but right now I'm not liking you for scum because of that bit on the GGTemplar lynch. If you want to poke, feel free.

On March 05 2014 07:52 Palmar wrote:


Least bad post you've made in this thread. GJ.

On March 05 2014 08:35 austinmcc wrote:
Is there a particular differentiation you make between townslam's trolling and scum slam?

I checked Aperture 2, and he was relatively trolly there as well at the start, couldn't really identify anything in particular that might push me one way or the other on just his D1.

On March 05 2014 11:15 austinmcc wrote:
grack, have you ever played with scum slam? You said your townreads hadn't been wrong yet, but is that because he's just always been town with you?

people who have played with boone,

boone, what is the MOST IMPORTANT THING that has happened but everyone is missing/downplaying?

On March 05 2014 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not true. I asked austin if he thinks using the QT is a good idea or not. Pay attention, this was not a good idea.

Not true. I voted you for pure policy in SMB and i will do it every game you play like that. A question, am i supposed to read Palmar as mafia in your opinion? If not, why the fuck am i scum for it?

Didn't GGTeMpLar just call Slam town and mafia?

On March 05 2014 13:05 Alakaslam wrote:
BRB

On March 05 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes but you trolled for the first 45 hours and when you started playing i had no time to check if you are doing good or bad job and it felt like self-preservation.

Can you answer me about Palmar?

On March 05 2014 13:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The thing is Mocsta did the exact same fucking thing in Cultured game and it got me really mad. I townread Toad and he townread me and Mocsta was shitting on both of us for no reason, but he also did not think we should call each other scum. I am not paranoid about people. Especially about players i consider strong. I work with them and if they do something scummy i call them out for it. You very well know that, so i have no idea why you called me out for townreading Palmar because 1) i didn't even say i think he is town and 2) if you don't think i should call him mafia i don't see a reason why you would do so other than shitting on me and spreading mistrust for no reasoning.

I policy lynch a shitton. I just don't do that in the first 40 hours into the game.

On March 05 2014 13:47 IAmRobik wrote:
rayn...do you know why I think you're mafia?

On March 05 2014 13:53 Alakaslam wrote:

SHROOMZ

Super Mario bros

Somebody find me that hilarious thing

"Link uses tools
Donkey kong uses strength
Mario

SHROOMZ"

On March 06 2014 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah didnt see the medic claim, no bold/no caps/no green.

I find this particularly funny.

On March 06 2014 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
staph! both of you Grack and Oats. Grack why VE, are you being srs?

On March 06 2014 03:09 justanothertownie wrote:

This post. It isn't bad.

On March 06 2014 03:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Explain pls Grack.

On March 06 2014 03:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay I skipped ahead like a bad boy and people really want to lynch me? For real?

I'm going back to read, but if there's not an actual case on me in the thread by the time I catch up, heads will roll.

On March 06 2014 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I was gonna get pissed, but after rereading it's just Grack being Grack and Oats being Oats, there's no wagon and no case, no one REALLY wants to lynch me, so we're fine.

Doing stuff now. The post I quoted a second ago isn't the post I wanted to quote - it's not the best post I've read since I woke up let me go find that shiz right now.

On March 06 2014 04:43 Palmar wrote:
You guys suck why is everyone not sheeping me?

On March 06 2014 04:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE what the hell?!?!?!?!?! "what does that claim mean in the context" seriously? What the hell? :D

On March 06 2014 05:14 justanothertownie wrote:

Hijole

On March 06 2014 05:18 justanothertownie wrote:

Forgive me for I am new to the way of CHUPAZI.

Mind giving a short reasoning for killing over templar?

On March 06 2014 05:26 Killing wrote:
Ok, so I don't really know where to start with this. I read a bit that people hated what I had to say earlier so I went to re-read it and couldn't stop laughing at how terrible it was. I think I've been going about playing thsi shit completely wrong. I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about. I'm so used to knowing exactly what's going on and to having strong reads that I think I was compensating but trying to give too much except that it was all obvious garbage. It's really uncomfortable being in this position where I really don't know what's going on even though I wish I did.

Everything I've done up to now has deserved a lynch. I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good. I def gonna start playing differently starting now since I've recognized what's been going on. The most I can do for town right now is prove to you somehow that I'm town. I'm basically starting over from now. I've scrapped basically all my reads and I'm probably going to go and re-read most of the game again with a different mindset.

On March 06 2014 05:41 IAmRobik wrote:

Joey is FAR from new at mafia.

On March 06 2014 06:08 Palmar wrote:

I no longer care about this game. Everyone is refusing to play so why should I.

Lynch me if you want to, I'm gonna vote and afk for the rest of the game.

On March 06 2014 07:33 justanothertownie wrote:

His return is weak sauce but his voters are still not trustworthy although you look somewhat better now maybe.
I am absolutely not locked on a templar lynch at the moment.

On March 06 2014 07:37 austinmcc wrote:
The faction that manufactures reads is ____________

On March 06 2014 07:39 austinmcc wrote:
The faction that ALWAYS manufactures scum reads is __________________
The faction that produces more than 95% of gross manufactured read output (gMRO) is ________________

On March 06 2014 07:43 IAmRobik wrote:
Joey was _NOT_ making up his reads. Stop it.

On March 06 2014 05:26 Killing wrote:
Ok, so I don't really know where to start with this. I read a bit that people hated what I had to say earlier so I went to re-read it and couldn't stop laughing at how terrible it was. I think I've been going about playing thsi shit completely wrong. I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about. I'm so used to knowing exactly what's going on and to having strong reads that I think I was compensating but trying to give too much except that it was all obvious garbage. It's really uncomfortable being in this position where I really don't know what's going on even though I wish I did.

Everything I've done up to now has deserved a lynch. I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good. I def gonna start playing differently starting now since I've recognized what's been going on. The most I can do for town right now is prove to you somehow that I'm town. I'm basically starting over from now. I've scrapped basically all my reads and I'm probably going to go and re-read most of the game again with a different mindset.

On March 08 2014 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol.
Grack is highly suspicious for trying to lynch Alak, a well known player who plays vastly different town and scum games. Hes town this game.

On March 09 2014 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
are you talking about this Grack?

I dont remember your post about that reason I called bad as the reason I said I would lynch VE. I think I was thinking about the so little impact that VE had on the game.

On March 09 2014 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh never mind.

On March 09 2014 00:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

I really dont remember that post.

On March 09 2014 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
By ignore you mean never see then ok.

On March 10 2014 08:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


from the D1 QT where JAT convinced me that Dandel is likely town



JAT you still hold true to Dandel being town in light of the Killing flip?

On March 10 2014 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who thinks i would kill Oats as scum is retarded.

On March 11 2014 03:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
Sickest case in the world: The last time grack even tried to make a post containing an actual contribution was 5 days ago.

On March 11 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then stop posting useless things and read.

On March 10 2014 19:09 Palmar wrote:
Palmar:

So remember how I had a town read on Grack on day 1, that was mostly based on him making a few really good reads (imo at the time). I thought him being right = him being town. Here is his read on Slam:



I totally forgot about this post too, this is where I called Grack out for being useless/trolling. (remember on day 1 I was trying to get people to play the game).



Another little nugget: VE apparently called Grack out:



This next post is the big town-read post. When Grack posted this I felt really sure that he had to be town, there is no reason really for mafia to ever give Oats (knowing how Oats is usually a lynchbait) a townread. You can almost count on Oats to be there to screw up for town in lylo, but Oats actually played a very impressive game and (ironically I am the lynchbait now...) and Grack gave him props for it.

So Grack has thrown out two town-reads on people who are almost certainly town, and at this point he also seemed to like me as town too.



See! I loved that post!



This is a super interesting post from Grack. He gives me/dandel/slam/robik all a pass. We know VE is town now. Rayn is still that one piece of the puzzle I just can't get.

If anyone can explain to me if the part about "I'm inclined to believe that he (robik) would lurk as mafia" is a legitimate read, that would be great. I have no idea why Grack would assume this. But it could be based on past games? assuming robik is a newbie? idk.

To give Grack what he deserves, he was at least trying to poke at the game.
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This is one of few posts where Grack is poking at Rayn, several others regard to rayn's call for a policy lynch on Grack.



Again, to be fair to Grack, he did like me come around on austinmcc when austin started posting.

The timing of this post is very important. Grack who had previously agreed to a Killing lynch changed his mind based on Killing's "remorse" post, if you want to call it that. He then moved over to VE who Grack was also pressuring at the time. This next post is written when I had just made the switch over to Killing and called for everyone to go hammer Killing (something Grack did not do).



Since this Grack hasn't really done anything at all in the game. He argued a bit with Oatsmaster, but his filter is extremely short and he doesn't appear to be really trying to win.

That all being said, he has for the most part explained his pushes (his VE push had reasons, they weren't great but they were there). He did explain why the post by killing made Grack think Killing is town. So there are some points in his favor.

However his filter is _extremely_ short, there is almost no content in it. And here's another post that looks quite bad.



He never followed up on this against me, didn't even bother asking me himself. He just threw that out there but apparently did not care at all about the results this would generate.

He may be lazy and trolling but he may also be scum.

For now I'd say I stick him at the bottom of my town->scum list and see if anyone drops below him before we start lynching

Palmar
Jat
Slam
boone
Grack

I still need to read these other people:

Robik
Dandel
Templar
rayn

On March 11 2014 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
HEY

actually I have no clue what to say

On March 11 2014 13:49 Alakaslam wrote:

Orralé

On March 11 2014 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Elaborate on this please. Also why is Templar not a good lynch?

On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:

Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets.

On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:

How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch?

On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop.

On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Nevermind. It's not relevant.

One question:
Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1?

On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes this is actually true.
But i still don't think Dandel is mafia.

How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel?

On March 11 2014 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I mean, by your definition (what you said about Dandel), shouldn't you read Robik as mafia because he did not defend VE who was a "terrible lynch"? Or what's different in your opinion in this situation?

On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I meant it's irrelevant because Dandel is not getting lynched today anyways. I kinda get what you are saying and why but it's irrelevant to continue the discussion on Dandel today.

But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works.

On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.

Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.

Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine.

On March 11 2014 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:

I take it you have seen Palmars scum game? It has to be lurk city by your description. If you expect scum Palmar to be lazy I don't really follow your townread here.

On March 11 2014 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dandel i don't think the last point is a good one because mafia!Grack would know there is no way you are going to get lynched so what you say does not make sense from mafia perspective. Every single mafia in this game knows i am town and therefore you will not get lynched today no matter who pushes you.

On March 11 2014 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:

Wrong, I said I would stay on templar when he had a very good shot at getting lynched still.

I mean the main reason I said that was because I didn't think I would be back in time for the deadline, but point stands. IIRC he was only one vote behind the voteleader at the time.

The rest, well it's just a summary of what I did. It doesn't make me scum that I did stuff. IN FACT, it makes me super incredible confirmed town that I did anything. At all.

On March 11 2014 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni have you played a game where Dandel was mafia?

On March 11 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, i mean if you did not do anything you could to make your target lynched on D1 you are not allowed to bitch about people who mislynched. Especially if they DID something about the lynch.

On March 11 2014 22:11 justanothertownie wrote:

There was a time when it looked more like templar/killing.

On March 12 2014 03:30 Alakaslam wrote:
Did you say cocksucker yet?

On March 12 2014 04:31 IAmRobik wrote:
Convince me you're town grack............

On March 12 2014 04:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
Maybe that has to do with you being obviously wrong.

On March 12 2014 04:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Then it has to be me looking 10 times as townie and 20 times more sexy than you.

No other possibilities.

On March 12 2014 04:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't think you need that anymore.

On March 12 2014 04:54 Dandel Ion wrote:

So your angle for lynching me is that 10 times 0 is also 0?

A pretty solid logic performance :3

On March 12 2014 06:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Nah he's just WIFOMing

On March 12 2014 08:07 Alakaslam wrote:

It is never impossible to win if you are able to fool folks.

That being said that can be really really really hard to the point that it may as well be impossible

On March 12 2014 08:43 austinmcc wrote:
Like...when I was posting on killing i KNOW I got a couple people on board, and I know Palmar saw me as posting like townMe.