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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 09 2014 23:16 GMT
#2050
It's probably Dandel Ion
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 10 2014 18:31 GMT
#2249
On March 10 2014 08:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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GGTeMpLaR
03-06-2014
03:05 PM ET (US)
yea you make a good point actually..

if Dandel is mafia he can leave his vote on me and not get suspicion for hammering VE.

The only way it really makes a lot of sense is if Killing is mafia with Dandel and then he accomplishes 2 things - 1. saving his partner and 2. lynching a strong town player


from the D1 QT where JAT convinced me that Dandel is likely town

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justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
03-06-2014
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Yep. But in this case it is still really really bold to do. Mafia seldom save their buddies in a manner this obvious because it fucks them in the long run. I mean killing will die soon (one way or the other) and then dandel will not be in good shape.


JAT you still hold true to Dandel being town in light of the Killing flip?

No that's not true. Mafia last second switch because they panic. I've done it before; I think it's pretty common.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 10 2014 18:34 GMT
#2251
On March 10 2014 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who thinks i would kill Oats as scum is retarded.

haha don't be an ass just because Oats got killed before you.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 10 2014 18:46 GMT
#2257
On March 11 2014 03:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
Sickest case in the world: The last time grack even tried to make a post containing an actual contribution was 5 days ago.

Hey I'm just reading through the thread. I didn't say anything about that being a case.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 10 2014 18:50 GMT
#2261
On March 11 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then stop posting useless things and read.

And because something is not a case it suddenly becomes useless? Grouchy people today.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 10 2014 19:11 GMT
#2277
On March 10 2014 19:09 Palmar wrote:
Palmar:

So remember how I had a town read on Grack on day 1, that was mostly based on him making a few really good reads (imo at the time). I thought him being right = him being town. Here is his read on Slam:

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On March 04 2014 14:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Alakaslam ez town read. You no vote slam you need sheep. Sheep Grack win. Grack win = good.


I totally forgot about this post too, this is where I called Grack out for being useless/trolling. (remember on day 1 I was trying to get people to play the game).

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On March 05 2014 01:55 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 05 2014 01:50 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2014 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Oats and Rayn are both buddying you so hard.


Btw at what point do you intend to do anything useful btw.

I mean you've thrown out a town-read on slam, which at the time was justified I think, and you seem to think I'm town (your wording that the two players mentioned are buddying me seems to imply that I must be town).

Do you think it's likely rayn is scum? If so, why?

I wasn't implying that you have to be town. It's just you have people who you like which coincidentally appear to be the people who like you.



Another little nugget: VE apparently called Grack out:

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On March 05 2014 06:04 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 05 2014 05:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 05 2014 05:09 austinmcc wrote:
On March 05 2014 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
@austin
Alak is fearless in his trolling, Grack not so fearless. Between the two I'd say Grack has a higher chance of flipping scum based on what's been said, Alak more likely to flip town. I don't think they both scum, but it's possible they both town.
You're of the opinion that they've both just been purely trolling? Nothing's non-trolly and valuable for readin'?

No Alak has been providing limited opinions - I say limited because he's intentionally trying to make himself hard to understand.

Grack has also been providing opinions, but what he's been doing I wouldn't classify as trolling, and that's why I say he's not fearless this game. He quickly faded off the trolling early and got to business, and I don't expect that from a town-aligned Grack.

Drats suspicion. And I was the confirmed town too - prime sheeping material whenever I figure out who I will kill. You suck VE.


This next post is the big town-read post. When Grack posted this I felt really sure that he had to be town, there is no reason really for mafia to ever give Oats (knowing how Oats is usually a lynchbait) a townread. You can almost count on Oats to be there to screw up for town in lylo, but Oats actually played a very impressive game and (ironically I am the lynchbait now...) and Grack gave him props for it.

So Grack has thrown out two town-reads on people who are almost certainly town, and at this point he also seemed to like me as town too.

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On March 05 2014 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 05 2014 07:52 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2014 06:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 05 2014 03:45 austinmcc wrote:
AFK 40ish.


SLAM
  • Mind meld with boone. Is her revealing our QT townie or scummy and why?
  • Pick DI or oats or Killing please, and give your thoughts on them, BUT at least 60% of the words you use to give your thoughts must start with the letter R.
  • Why are you not RNG lynching?


GRACK
  • You summoned Oats, he appeared and has posted a good bit. What are your thoughts on Oats?
  • You disliked rayn's post on me, can you speak about his other posts as well, an overall read on rayn? If you'd like, you can do so using at least 50% words that start with the letter T.
  • Who are the three MOST NULL people in this game right now?

Oatsmaster: Oatsmaster offers opinions of other origins. Oatsmaster often opposite others. Once overly open - obvious Oatsmaster


Least bad post you've made in this thread. GJ.

I liked that one too.


See! I loved that post!

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On March 05 2014 08:32 Grackaroni wrote:
eh It's really not as hard this game as last game. I'm sure that Slam is town. Oats looks pretty good to me. DI looks quite good when you compare this game to his scum play. Robik is pretty active and I'm inclined to believe that he would lurk as mafia. Palmar looks decent.

From there you just have to narrow it down. Rayn and VE both sound like fun lynches to me. Boone/Killing are harder for me to read because I'm unfamiliar with them and they make longer posts, which I misread frequently because players have plenty of time to craft them and make those posts look good.


This is a super interesting post from Grack. He gives me/dandel/slam/robik all a pass. We know VE is town now. Rayn is still that one piece of the puzzle I just can't get.

If anyone can explain to me if the part about "I'm inclined to believe that he (robik) would lurk as mafia" is a legitimate read, that would be great. I have no idea why Grack would assume this. But it could be based on past games? assuming robik is a newbie? idk.

To give Grack what he deserves, he was at least trying to poke at the game.
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On March 05 2014 15:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Rayn can you please talk about your Austin read? Usually when you find something suspicious you will harp on about it until people agree with you. Why did you drop your suspicion?


This is one of few posts where Grack is poking at Rayn, several others regard to rayn's call for a policy lynch on Grack.

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On March 06 2014 03:49 Grackaroni wrote:
hmmm I like Austin's killing points.


Again, to be fair to Grack, he did like me come around on austinmcc when austin started posting.

The timing of this post is very important. Grack who had previously agreed to a Killing lynch changed his mind based on Killing's "remorse" post, if you want to call it that. He then moved over to VE who Grack was also pressuring at the time. This next post is written when I had just made the switch over to Killing and called for everyone to go hammer Killing (something Grack did not do).

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On March 06 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:
wtf is palmar doing?


Since this Grack hasn't really done anything at all in the game. He argued a bit with Oatsmaster, but his filter is extremely short and he doesn't appear to be really trying to win.

That all being said, he has for the most part explained his pushes (his VE push had reasons, they weren't great but they were there). He did explain why the post by killing made Grack think Killing is town. So there are some points in his favor.

However his filter is _extremely_ short, there is almost no content in it. And here's another post that looks quite bad.

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On March 09 2014 00:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Has anyone questioned Palmar on his thought process from the end of the day?


He never followed up on this against me, didn't even bother asking me himself. He just threw that out there but apparently did not care at all about the results this would generate.

He may be lazy and trolling but he may also be scum.

For now I'd say I stick him at the bottom of my town->scum list and see if anyone drops below him before we start lynching

Palmar
Jat
Slam
boone
Grack

I still need to read these other people:

Robik
Dandel
Templar
rayn

You killed VE just because he wasn't raging even though you said that all of the scummers were voting for him? And Robik kept arguing that he would lurk heavily if he was mafia in my last game when he was town so I assume he was probably telling the truth.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 04:46 GMT
#2413
On March 11 2014 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
HEY

actually I have no clue what to say

ándale pues
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 04:52 GMT
#2415
On March 11 2014 13:49 Alakaslam wrote:
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On March 11 2014 13:46 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
HEY

actually I have no clue what to say

ándale pues

Orralé

Quihúbole?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:13 GMT
#2427
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:14 GMT
#2428
Probably going to end up on me though lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:15 GMT
#2432
If Rayn was scum I don't think that he would bother to go through all of this trouble to defend me. It's much easier to just get on the Grack train because I'm pretty sure he knows I'm not going to do much.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:17 GMT
#2434
On March 11 2014 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone.

Elaborate on this please. Also why is Templar not a good lynch?

I think he's had some good posts. Specifically the ones about Boone not changing her reads after still thinking it was both me and Dandel after not getting shot as the medic. Additionally, I don't think that there's anything wrong with him changing his read on me. He thought that I was town entirely for sheeping his argument on VE, who he thought was scum. Of course his read is going to be altered after VE flips town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:25 GMT
#2437
On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:
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On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone.

Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets.

There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel.

I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you.

Slam is town

Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself.

Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:25 GMT
#2438
I don't know who else is in the game lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:26 GMT
#2439
Oh Robik. Pretty unlikely since he was very close to putting Killing over the edge on day1.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:28 GMT
#2442
On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:
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On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone.

Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets.

There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel.

I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you.

Slam is town

Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself.

Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious.

How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch?

Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:29 GMT
#2443
On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop.

Where?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:37 GMT
#2447
On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop.

Where?

Nevermind. It's not relevant.

One question:
Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1?

Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that.

I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:40 GMT
#2448
On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone.

Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets.

There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel.

I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you.

Slam is town

Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself.

Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious.

How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch?

Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched.

Yes this is actually true.
But i still don't think Dandel is mafia.

How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel?

eh still townie. He stayed on the fence until the end of the day but he voted for Killing so he gets credit for that.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
March 11 2014 12:48 GMT
#2452
On March 11 2014 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:40 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone.

Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets.

There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel.

I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you.

Slam is town

Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself.

Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious.

How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch?

Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched.

Yes this is actually true.
But i still don't think Dandel is mafia.

How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel?

eh still townie. He stayed on the fence until the end of the day but he voted for Killing so he gets credit for that.

Do you think he pushed Killing's lynch, especially based on the fact he called VE a terrible lynch at D2 start?

I mean, by your definition (what you said about Dandel), shouldn't you read Robik as mafia because he did not defend VE who was a "terrible lynch"? Or what's different in your opinion in this situation?

Oh I completely forgot about that. It was really strange when Robik called the VE lynch terrible the next day after being split on who to kill day1.
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