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On March 11 2014 03:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
Sickest case in the world: The last time grack even tried to make a post containing an actual contribution was 5 days ago.
Fair enough. If Grack does not make a decent contributin in the next 24hours i will 100% switch my vote on him.
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Then stop posting useless things and read.
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On March 11 2014 03:51 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 03:21 IAmRobik wrote:On March 11 2014 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But that's what you did. Regardless of how you say you play as town, and i don't think that's very townie. In GSL game you tried to lead lynches, in this game you are not. Maybe you are just more passive. I have no intention to read anyone's filter right now because i have a case but i do not think you are mafia with templar and your observations regarding Killing, regardless of what you did, were good. What do you consider pushing/leading lynches? I made the case and people voted him based off of it. I also tried to hammer the shit out of him. You're making no sense or just fabricating stuff. Rayn, even if you're right on Temp, you have to find 1 more scum. Why is it that you are unwilling to do that? You did the same tunnel bullshit on me yesterday until you finally switched to Joey. If I build a strong case on why Grack is mafia, would you entertain it or are you so sold on the Templar lynch? Look Robik, i don't like this post. For a couple of reasons. I read people more from why they do things they do. I consider pushing a lynch that you actually try to convince people into why your case is better than the case on any other candidate. If there are two cases and someone does not give clear reasons why they vote one dude over another i consider that as not caring about the lynch. Noone of the Killing voters on D1 did try to really convince other people and pushed the case. That's my honest opinion. People voted for him and sat on their votes. That's what i saw when i read the thread and i hate myself for not being able to be here because if i was we would have lynched templar. I don't like you telling me i am fabricating stuff. If you make that kinda accusation please go to your filter and show me where are the posts where you convince people into voting Killing over VE when the votes started flying. Because you can't. I understand it's possible that's your playstyle but don't you dare to tell me i am fabricating stuff. I tell you and everyone what i see and what i think about it, and that's what i see. saying you tried to hammer is useless because you didn't. So if i am not making sense tell me where i am wrong. Because i am not. That does not mean you are mafia though. But don't tell me i am fabricating shit if you can't prove it because that IS scummy as fuck. Yes, if you make a case on Grackaroni that i think is better than my case i will vote for him instead of templar. I am perfectly capable of re-evaluating who is the best lynch based on cases there are. I miss stuff, i can't possibly notice everything, otherwise i would be lynching mafia 100% of the time. So please make a case and then we can discuss which case is better. This also leads me to this. If you defend someone then please, point out why my case is bad. Bad cases are bad for the town and everyone who is town should point out why a case is bad if they think it's bad. That's fucking simple, cut off bad cases asap so mafia has no room to hide and there are only good cases. Basic logic. I don't like the fact you repeatedly tell me Grack is a better lynch than templar but you can't point out why my case is bad nor are you even trying to make a case on Grack. I made over 5 posts on day 1 why Killing was maf. Just fucking read the filter and stop being a lazy ass. Saying that me and JAT trying to hammer him doesn't matter cause he didn't get lynched is foolish. Both of us voted within the last 2 minutes (and me 1 minute) in the day to swing the vote in favor of Joey getting lynched before Palmar and Dandelion swung it back onto VE. So while you can say "that's what you did" all you want, unless you go back and read my filter and then proclaim those same sentiments, you're either making up shit or you're misremembering and being too big of a stubborn ass to reread and do what it necessary to win the game.
You are clearly incapable of reading what i just wrote. It's pointless to argue with you about this.
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So Grackaroni what's up? Who's mafia?
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That's the point. He calls people scum without telling why they are scum.
Did you read his defence? He twists every piece of argument into something that it isn't and calls me names.
rofl, i am not switching my vote. I yell you at post game if you don't see why that dude is mafia.
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yes.
But i'll give you a prime example that proves templar is mafia.
Since you all are incapable of going to the Really small mafia game and read his filter which is 100% the same kind of play he does this game here:
Look at his stance on Grack this game. This is the last fucking time i repeat this.
D1: Grack is town because he follows a good case by templar
D2: When VE flips town Grack is mafia because he followed a bad case and "forced a mislynch" (which by templar's logic should be HIS fault as he made the case).
This is what he did in Really small mafia, these are my posts on him on D2:
On January 14 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 12:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'm going off my reads elaborated in the previous pages which currently point to Rayn as the likely scum and Artanis as likely town. Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 09:09 Corazon wrote:
Artanis [Xp], as a VT, ate radioactive Scooby Snax and died!
It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. I'm working on finding a replacement for Derrida. Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
At this point, I'm going to have to say it's between Derrida or Giggle. They both had pretty crappy reasons for voting on Mocsta, who had practically buried himself. In fact, I don't even think Derrida gave a reason, he just hammered the vote and claimed confirmed town for doing it. Meanwhile, Giggle simply claimed it was a policy lynch. I liked a lot of what Giggle contributed on D1 so that just leaves Derrida.
scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum.
On January 14 2014 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 07:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:You want some reasons even though you've given none on why I'm scum? 1. First actual post with reads On January 10 2014 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have read.
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
Derrida is a pretty pretty town. Holyflare most likely town for realising it. You sheep HF's read on Derrida that didn't even have any reasons behind it to begin with. You then vote on me for no reason aside from going hard on someone you've cleared as town without any reason. 2. Next actual real post with any reads - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=11#203You pocket HF by giving a biased argument centered around me and everyone else being responsible for shitting up the thread, and say HF isn't responsible when the first two pages of his filter are spam. HF hasn't even given a read on the game at this point (aside from saying Derrida is confirmed town), yet you know he's town. How's that scum? Your reasons are bullshit. You can't call me mafia for something i have done at the start of D1, when you have townread me at the start of D2!!You are making shit up.
On January 14 2014 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you voted me because you were "speculating a possible scenario you can back off if needed".
That's like textbook scum play, not commiting on a read, leaving yourself outs left and right.
GGTeMpLaR is so mafia it comes out from his ears, can you guys please just vote for him so we can end this gmae?
What he does is he twists the same information to fit a scenario that benefits him the most. He calls people town and mafia based on same information depending on which furthers his agenda the best.
This dude is 100% mafia, his play matches exactly his play on his ONLY scumgame on this forum and it's NOTHING like his townplay. + his posts are full of crap and his reads do not evolve naturally.
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On March 11 2014 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's the point. He calls people scum without telling why they are scum.
Did you read his defence? He twists every piece of argument into something that it isn't and calls me names.
rofl, i am not switching my vote. I yell you at post game if you don't see why that dude is mafia. True but to be fair this seems like a dm thing somehow. Just look at boone - she does exactly the same. Or are you calling both of them mafia?
GGtemplar has been playing here, he is not a total noob in forum mafia. Look at his towngames, it's nothing like this.
Please do it for me.
TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart
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On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone.
Elaborate on this please. Also why is Templar not a good lynch?
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What about his terrible posts?
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Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop.
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On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where?
Nevermind. It's not relevant.
One question:
Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1?
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On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched.
Yes this is actually true.
But i still don't think Dandel is mafia.
How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel?
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On March 11 2014 21:37 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where? Nevermind. It's not relevant. One question: Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1? Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that. I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip.
I meant it's irrelevant because Dandel is not getting lynched today anyways. I kinda get what you are saying and why but it's irrelevant to continue the discussion on Dandel today.
But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works.
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On March 11 2014 21:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched. Yes this is actually true. But i still don't think Dandel is mafia. How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel? eh still townie. He stayed on the fence until the end of the day but he voted for Killing so he gets credit for that.
Do you think he pushed Killing's lynch, especially based on the fact he called VE a terrible lynch at D2 start?
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On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:40 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched. Yes this is actually true. But i still don't think Dandel is mafia. How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel? eh still townie. He stayed on the fence until the end of the day but he voted for Killing so he gets credit for that. Do you think he pushed Killing's lynch, especially based on the fact he called VE a terrible lynch at D2 start?
I mean, by your definition (what you said about Dandel), shouldn't you read Robik as mafia because he did not defend VE who was a "terrible lynch"? Or what's different in your opinion in this situation?
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Can you make a case on your top scumread Grack?
It doesn't matter who it is.
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Also before you do so could you answer my question about JAT?
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On March 11 2014 21:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:37 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where? Nevermind. It's not relevant. One question: Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1? Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that. I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip. I meant it's irrelevant because Dandel is not getting lynched today anyways. I kinda get what you are saying and why but it's irrelevant to continue the discussion on Dandel today. But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works. I can double check but I don't think he was pushing me entirely for killing VE, but for my play as a whole. If he is actually trying to shift all of the blame for the mislynch on to me then perhaps I misspoke.
He has been pushing you because you "forced a mislynch on VE" and because "Killing's read on you was fishy" and because "you havn't done shit".
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