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There are three things that are important, here they are (in order from most important -> less important): 1) His stance on Killing. Every time Killing was not under attack (after the start of the game) templar calls him mafia. When Killing is under attack someone else is mafia. See especially his reads on D1 and his "push" on Slam on D2 when the thread was discussing killing/grack. 2) His reads do not evolve rationally. He calls people town and mafia for same reason. He calls people who do same things he does mafia. His stances on people make absolutely no sense as i have pointed out many times. 3) When he's been called out he does not attack people's arguments rather than the people behind the arguments. Now i am not going to switch my vote on this phase unless Dandel claims a red check on Grackaroni. If someone else claims to be the cop i don't believe them because they are lying either in thread or in the messages and that makes no sense from town perspective. I am not asking any more, now i am telling. To me it does not matter what templar says at this point, i have seen enough. | ||
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1) boone because of uncc'd medic 2) grack because he does not make sense as mafia with templar and i've never seen him play like this game as mafia 3) you because you have done as "much" as Grack but you don't get the + points (i've only seen you play mafia once (Thug life) and i didn't really pay attention to you after i decided you are mafia after your read on yamato). I don't understand why you want this because even i know these kinda reads are crap now because we don't know templar's alignment for sure. To answer your question about the vocal scumplayer, it's because as mafia Grack is perfectly capable of leading his team when he is the "best" (or strong or whatever, i know you get what i am saying) scumplayer in his team. The fact that he is not pushing any agenda and doesn't give a fuck indicates there would be another scum leader if Grack was mafia. The only people who have been vocal are me, JAT, Dandel, and Oats. I know i am town and i don't think JAT/Dandel are mafia and Oats is dead. That's the reason. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:20 Palmar wrote: huehue These are from the same post. Rayn pointed it out day 1. Everyone is bad. To be fair he later on said "he explained his thought process on Slam read throughout the game" and that's why he wrote a scumread and townread on him in the same post. It kinda makes sense, what doesn't make sense is why he did it in the first place. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:26 Palmar wrote: His big post where he calls me/ve/dandel/boone scum is terrible too anyway. Well now you know why i am frustrated. I made a big fucking case based on that post on D1, nobody (besides Dandel) gave a fuck. templar didn't even answer the case but OMGUSed me instead. nobody gave a fuck about that either. | ||
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You were like "oh a case. I wonder what i should do." And that's why i thought you might be mafia on N1.. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:16 Palmar wrote: Rayn are you town?  Of course i am fucking town. | ||
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On March 10 2014 22:50 Palmar wrote: Can I call you bad if you're wrong on templar? No. | ||
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Alakaslam, i have a question for you: ![[image loading]](http://i60.tinypic.com/2n6g9yg.png) Answer with MSPaint picture please! | ||
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Oats is a major mislynch target for mafia when he is town and even if he isn't, he is quite incapable of convincing anyone to lynch his reads. My guess would be mafia thought he was a bluesnipe (definitely not the Sheldon guy - unless it's DM players who killed him lol). Anyways, it's just WIFOM. | ||
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Again Robik, read my posts. I have given a clear reasoning why i don't think he is mafia, many many times. | ||
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On March 11 2014 03:21 IAmRobik wrote: What do you consider pushing/leading lynches? I made the case and people voted him based off of it. I also tried to hammer the shit out of him. You're making no sense or just fabricating stuff. Rayn, even if you're right on Temp, you have to find 1 more scum. Why is it that you are unwilling to do that? You did the same tunnel bullshit on me yesterday until you finally switched to Joey. If I build a strong case on why Grack is mafia, would you entertain it or are you so sold on the Templar lynch? Look Robik, i don't like this post. For a couple of reasons. I read people more from why they do things they do. I consider pushing a lynch that you actually try to convince people into why your case is better than the case on any other candidate. If there are two cases and someone does not give clear reasons why they vote one dude over another i consider that as not caring about the lynch. Noone of the Killing voters on D1 did try to really convince other people and pushed the case. That's my honest opinion. People voted for him and sat on their votes. That's what i saw when i read the thread and i hate myself for not being able to be here because if i was we would have lynched templar. I don't like you telling me i am fabricating stuff. If you make that kinda accusation please go to your filter and show me where are the posts where you convince people into voting Killing over VE when the votes started flying. Because you can't. I understand it's possible that's your playstyle but don't you dare to tell me i am fabricating stuff. I tell you and everyone what i see and what i think about it, and that's what i see. saying you tried to hammer is useless because you didn't. So if i am not making sense tell me where i am wrong. Because i am not. That does not mean you are mafia though. But don't tell me i am fabricating shit if you can't prove it because that IS scummy as fuck. Yes, if you make a case on Grackaroni that i think is better than my case i will vote for him instead of templar. I am perfectly capable of re-evaluating who is the best lynch based on cases there are. I miss stuff, i can't possibly notice everything, otherwise i would be lynching mafia 100% of the time. So please make a case and then we can discuss which case is better. This also leads me to this. If you defend someone then please, point out why my case is bad. Bad cases are bad for the town and everyone who is town should point out why a case is bad if they think it's bad. That's fucking simple, cut off bad cases asap so mafia has no room to hide and there are only good cases. Basic logic. I don't like the fact you repeatedly tell me Grack is a better lynch than templar but you can't point out why my case is bad nor are you even trying to make a case on Grack. | ||
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On March 11 2014 03:32 IAmRobik wrote: I read your points on Grack all game. I'm not sure I'm convinced. Let's assume Templar flips town, does anything change with regards to your Grack reads? Also, 2 scenarios: Temp flips town (2maf left) Temp flips maf (1maf left) Where are you heading in both cases? What does it matter? Are you trying to defend him based on what i think what happens after the lynch? wtf? Why are you trying to make this something that it isn't? This is very clear. If you want to lynch someone other than templar make a better case and/or tell me why my case is bad and not just repeatedly dance around the issue. | ||
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