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IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 17:45 GMT
#2236
Just read Oat's filter. Grack and Rayn are his top 2 scum reads. That combined with our buddy Hari

##vote grack

Having said that, I'm going to read Grack's filter to see if there's a reason that he shouldn't be our lynch today.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 17:57 GMT
#2239
Rayn,

You still think I'm mafia and are pushing the notion that I could be mafia based off of "not pushing joey," so forgive me if I don't value your opinion highly this game. You're refusing to answer my question regarding that situation too.

Palmar/Grack makes sense
Grack/Boone makes sense
Boone/Rayn makes sense

GGTemp doesn't make sense to me with anyone at the moment.


List time:
Me
JAT
Slam


Boone/Temp/Dandelion


raynpelikoneet
Palmar
Grackaroni
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 18:03 GMT
#2242
On March 10 2014 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:While Robik had some good observations on Killing on D1 he did nothing to push a lynch on him, he just sat back with his vote.


I'm being a bit selective -- you do go on to say that it's more likely to be him...but like, you're soft pushing and leaving doubt instead of taking a strong stance that I'm town. I shat all over Joey on D1 and I definitely did push his lynch for 2 straight days (maybe not heavily on d2, but that was my first post and the majority of my non-dandelion content). Why are you so unwilling to give me the credit?

Again, I request, if you are town, to go read my filter (especially d1) and then put that Super Duper town check mark next to my name.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 18:18 GMT
#2246
Grack/Rayn team not making sense.

On March 05 2014 01:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like what Rayn has been saying so far. His whole Austin post was nonsense - Austin asked a question, he somehow flipped it into Austin being scum for defending boone. Austin didn't defend Boone and I wouldn't find it scummy even if he did defend Boone.


On March 05 2014 02:42 Grackaroni wrote:
Boone/Austin/Rayn actually wouldn't shock me. Rayn's Austin attacked seemed forced so that would make sense.




Grack has some good posts on d1.

Strangely enough, I like this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=59#1174



You guys have played a lot more with Grack than I have. Would he ever hard defend someone? I don't recall him taking a strong stance as town in the GSL game.



This post doesn't have any flow to it as I was just picking some posts that grack made.

If Grack is maf, I think Palmar is likely to be his teammate based off of their interactions. He asks people about palmar and kinda insinuates palmar could be mafia, but he never takes a stance on him.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 18:21 GMT
#2247
On March 11 2014 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But that's what you did. Regardless of how you say you play as town, and i don't think that's very townie. In GSL game you tried to lead lynches, in this game you are not. Maybe you are just more passive. I have no intention to read anyone's filter right now because i have a case but i do not think you are mafia with templar and your observations regarding Killing, regardless of what you did, were good.

What do you consider pushing/leading lynches? I made the case and people voted him based off of it. I also tried to hammer the shit out of him. You're making no sense or just fabricating stuff.

Rayn, even if you're right on Temp, you have to find 1 more scum. Why is it that you are unwilling to do that? You did the same tunnel bullshit on me yesterday until you finally switched to Joey. If I build a strong case on why Grack is mafia, would you entertain it or are you so sold on the Templar lynch?
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 18:32 GMT
#2250
On March 11 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't remember a single post from Grackaroni from the GSL game.
Again Robik, read my posts.
I have given a clear reasoning why i don't think he is mafia, many many times.

I read your points on Grack all game. I'm not sure I'm convinced. Let's assume Templar flips town, does anything change with regards to your Grack reads?

Also, 2 scenarios:

Temp flips town (2maf left)
Temp flips maf (1maf left)


Where are you heading in both cases?
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 18:51 GMT
#2262
On March 11 2014 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 03:21 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 11 2014 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But that's what you did. Regardless of how you say you play as town, and i don't think that's very townie. In GSL game you tried to lead lynches, in this game you are not. Maybe you are just more passive. I have no intention to read anyone's filter right now because i have a case but i do not think you are mafia with templar and your observations regarding Killing, regardless of what you did, were good.

What do you consider pushing/leading lynches? I made the case and people voted him based off of it. I also tried to hammer the shit out of him. You're making no sense or just fabricating stuff.

Rayn, even if you're right on Temp, you have to find 1 more scum. Why is it that you are unwilling to do that? You did the same tunnel bullshit on me yesterday until you finally switched to Joey. If I build a strong case on why Grack is mafia, would you entertain it or are you so sold on the Templar lynch?

Look Robik, i don't like this post. For a couple of reasons.

I read people more from why they do things they do. I consider pushing a lynch that you actually try to convince people into why your case is better than the case on any other candidate. If there are two cases and someone does not give clear reasons why they vote one dude over another i consider that as not caring about the lynch. Noone of the Killing voters on D1 did try to really convince other people and pushed the case. That's my honest opinion. People voted for him and sat on their votes. That's what i saw when i read the thread and i hate myself for not being able to be here because if i was we would have lynched templar.

I don't like you telling me i am fabricating stuff. If you make that kinda accusation please go to your filter and show me where are the posts where you convince people into voting Killing over VE when the votes started flying. Because you can't. I understand it's possible that's your playstyle but don't you dare to tell me i am fabricating stuff. I tell you and everyone what i see and what i think about it, and that's what i see. saying you tried to hammer is useless because you didn't. So if i am not making sense tell me where i am wrong. Because i am not. That does not mean you are mafia though. But don't tell me i am fabricating shit if you can't prove it because that IS scummy as fuck.

Yes, if you make a case on Grackaroni that i think is better than my case i will vote for him instead of templar. I am perfectly capable of re-evaluating who is the best lynch based on cases there are. I miss stuff, i can't possibly notice everything, otherwise i would be lynching mafia 100% of the time. So please make a case and then we can discuss which case is better.

This also leads me to this. If you defend someone then please, point out why my case is bad. Bad cases are bad for the town and everyone who is town should point out why a case is bad if they think it's bad. That's fucking simple, cut off bad cases asap so mafia has no room to hide and there are only good cases. Basic logic. I don't like the fact you repeatedly tell me Grack is a better lynch than templar but you can't point out why my case is bad nor are you even trying to make a case on Grack.



I made over 5 posts on day 1 why Killing was maf. Just fucking read the filter and stop being a lazy ass. Saying that me and JAT trying to hammer him doesn't matter cause he didn't get lynched is foolish. Both of us voted within the last 2 minutes (and me 1 minute) in the day to swing the vote in favor of Joey getting lynched before Palmar and Dandelion swung it back onto VE.

So while you can say "that's what you did" all you want, unless you go back and read my filter and then proclaim those same sentiments, you're either making up shit or you're misremembering and being too big of a stubborn ass to reread and do what it necessary to win the game.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 18:51 GMT
#2263
On March 11 2014 03:49 boonetown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also doubt Grack would either, at least for Oats' reads.
Oats is a major mislynch target for mafia when he is town and even if he isn't, he is quite incapable of convincing anyone to lynch his reads. My guess would be mafia thought he was a bluesnipe (definitely not the Sheldon guy - unless it's DM players who killed him lol). Anyways, it's just WIFOM.



it's all the 3 DM boys i will die, lol

The thought ran through my mind that it was you,temp,joey but like, what are the chances lol
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 18:56 GMT
#2266
On March 11 2014 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 03:32 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 11 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't remember a single post from Grackaroni from the GSL game.
Again Robik, read my posts.
I have given a clear reasoning why i don't think he is mafia, many many times.

I read your points on Grack all game. I'm not sure I'm convinced. Let's assume Templar flips town, does anything change with regards to your Grack reads?

Also, 2 scenarios:

Temp flips town (2maf left)
Temp flips maf (1maf left)


Where are you heading in both cases?

What does it matter?
Are you trying to defend him based on what i think what happens after the lynch? wtf?

Why are you trying to make this something that it isn't? This is very clear. If you want to lynch someone other than templar make a better case and/or tell me why my case is bad and not just repeatedly dance around the issue.

I'm not trying to defend him. I do lean town on him for the reason that he's super paranoid and flip flopping on everything (which you find scummy). I don't know his alignment and therefore I'm nervous about lynching anyone. Even though I thought that Joey was scum, I didn't _KNOW_ that he was, and that's why I made the posts that I made with regards to him. The level of conviction your showing is disturbing and the fact that you're unwilling to analyze any other viable scenario is unhelpful and scummy. Making your thoughts on one person known is really easy to do as scum because you can focus on their posts and just tunnel on them. No matter what they flip, you can just make up a new read on another person the next day and you don't have to justify any of the statements you made earlier besides just saying "oh well, he was scummy, so it was a good lynch" if that person flips town.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 18:59 GMT
#2267
On March 11 2014 03:49 boonetown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 02:57 IAmRobik wrote:
Rayn,

You still think I'm mafia and are pushing the notion that I could be mafia based off of "not pushing joey," so forgive me if I don't value your opinion highly this game. You're refusing to answer my question regarding that situation too.

Palmar/Grack makes sense
Grack/Boone makes sense
Boone/Rayn makes sense

GGTemp doesn't make sense to me with anyone at the moment.


List time:
Me
JAT
Slam


Boone/Temp/Dandelion


raynpelikoneet
Palmar
Grackaroni



why the hell am I in two of your possible mafia scenarios of 3, but not in your scum list?


Cause your claim makes you untouchable until mylo/lylo so you better fucking get a save. I've been discussing your claim a tad with Palmar in QT, but I don't want to discuss it here cause I thought that was a much more viable avenue for discussing a claim as opposed to doing it in thread.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 19:29 GMT
#2286
On March 11 2014 04:22 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 03:56 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 11 2014 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 11 2014 03:32 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 11 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't remember a single post from Grackaroni from the GSL game.
Again Robik, read my posts.
I have given a clear reasoning why i don't think he is mafia, many many times.

I read your points on Grack all game. I'm not sure I'm convinced. Let's assume Templar flips town, does anything change with regards to your Grack reads?

Also, 2 scenarios:

Temp flips town (2maf left)
Temp flips maf (1maf left)


Where are you heading in both cases?

What does it matter?
Are you trying to defend him based on what i think what happens after the lynch? wtf?

Why are you trying to make this something that it isn't? This is very clear. If you want to lynch someone other than templar make a better case and/or tell me why my case is bad and not just repeatedly dance around the issue.


I'm not trying to defend him. I do lean town on him for the reason that he's super paranoid and flip flopping on everything (which you find scummy). I don't know his alignment and therefore I'm nervous about lynching anyone. Even though I thought that Joey was scum, I didn't _KNOW_ that he was, and that's why I made the posts that I made with regards to him. The level of conviction your showing is disturbing and the fact that you're unwilling to analyze any other viable scenario is unhelpful and scummy. Making your thoughts on one person known is really easy to do as scum because you can focus on their posts and just tunnel on them. No matter what they flip, you can just make up a new read on another person the next day and you don't have to justify any of the statements you made earlier besides just saying "oh well, he was scummy, so it was a good lynch" if that person flips town.


apparently thinking out loud in this game and trying to share thought processes isn't allowed

you're just supposed to post "x is scum because y" or you're paranoid and flip flopping and calling everyone scum

wtf is wrong with people

The only problem with this temp is that the only thinking out loud that you do is in HUGE analysis posts. If you're already typing out a huge wall of text, why don't you draw a conclusion before you post it?

Or just be like "this is scummy, this is towny, this is scummy, so overall i think this person is scum." You do things in an awkward way which makes it difficult to rationalize whether you're coming from a town or scum mindset (at least to me).

I am a huge proponent of stream of conscious posting, which is why I post a lot and which is why I may have posts that are contradictory...it's how I play video too. I react to situations as they occur...as I see them happen. You make long posts and try to make reactionary conclusions in a long post, which makes it sound fabricated.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 19:31 GMT
#2288
FWIW, Dandelion looking more town today because he isn't going after me and seems to have reevaluated based off of the Killing flip. Which is both pro town and a really towny mindset.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 19:31 GMT
#2289
On March 11 2014 04:31 IAmRobik wrote:
FWIW, Dandelion looking more town today because he isn't going after me and seems to have reevaluated based off of the Killing flip. Which is both pro town and a really towny mindset.

unlike rayn who is in some weird world that I don't wanna live in.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 19:34 GMT
#2292
On March 11 2014 04:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 04:31 IAmRobik wrote:
FWIW, Dandelion looking more town today because he isn't going after me and seems to have reevaluated based off of the Killing flip. Which is both pro town and a really towny mindset.


what's the reverse of an OMGUS called?

a pocket?
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 19:38 GMT
#2294
Anyway. My advice to you moving forward is to just reread and then post your opinion. Having you go back and forth in a single post, no matter if it's chronological or not is confusing.

Would you be so kind as to read over palmar's and grack's filter and analyze them and come back with a full conclusion on your opinions of them? Thanks.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 19:56 GMT
#2296
Templar...I am starting to think your anger is reminiscent of your mafia play. I never see you get mad as town. You usually just sit back and don't give a fuck.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 19:56 GMT
#2297
On March 11 2014 04:56 IAmRobik wrote:
Templar...I am starting to think your anger is reminiscent of your mafia play. I never see you get mad as town. You usually just sit back and don't give a fuck.

Boone,

Thoughts?
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 20:16 GMT
#2300
On March 09 2014 07:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
looks like the Killing

has become the Killed.

I totally forgot about this post.

Rayn, I'm never lynching Templar
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 20:24 GMT
#2301
##unvote
##vote Palmar
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 10 2014 20:28 GMT
#2304
On March 11 2014 05:27 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 05:24 IAmRobik wrote:
##unvote
##vote Palmar


Based on what?

VE vote d1
-subpar play all game
-increased activity today when you knew you were going to get pressure
-hari's ungodly wisdom
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