Cultured Mini Mafia

On February 26 2014 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you want to talk about?

On February 26 2014 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am claiming geript cop, he is Serial Killer.
BOOM!

On February 26 2014 09:19 Toadesstern wrote:
so geript, how about this talking business you wanted to do? You can talk with me or someone else as well or does it have to be rayn?

On February 26 2014 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript you need to explain.

On February 26 2014 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:

Pshh.
That was fast.
You whore.

On February 26 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:

of course not, but I like this question. You replace WoS as my buddy to murder all of mafia. Easiest townread ever

On February 26 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who did make what observation? I am not following geript.

On February 26 2014 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
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On February 26 2014 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote:

YAY PICTURES

The sad part is Holy did this as scum with me in Survivor so he must be scum.

On February 26 2014 10:31 suki wrote:
@geript care to share reads? I take it you are leaning town on Mocsta? What about me?

On February 26 2014 10:35 suki wrote:
Oh, sorry, I thought you wrote this post:



but it was gumshoe.

I don't really care who you talk about but some reads would be nice.

On February 26 2014 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:

so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain.

##vote geript

On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)

On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying....

On February 26 2014 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:


you honestly think either a mafia-rayn or mafia-Toad would let that situation slip by? He said



and I said

Yes I'm pretty sure rayn would be over this if he was mafia. How do you come to the conclusion that it's a thing mafia would want to say because you make it look like you're not voting me out of confusion.

On February 26 2014 13:02 Mocsta wrote:
@Geript

On February 26 2014 13:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

Reeaaalllly rubbing me the wrong way with this. Do you remember my start in our most recent scumgame together?
Do you also remember how many times you have made similar posts towards me in the past and they have been wrong? (Please don't make me go look them all up---suffice it to say you say shit like this all the time, and up until the last game we've played together I was always town.)

I also want to talk to you about this JJD/Toad business but I gotta finish with Rayn and my attention is divided.

On February 26 2014 13:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'd say I'm leaning town on him and he's either misguided or trying to pressure me to see my reaction.

On February 26 2014 13:51 gumshoe wrote:


I can understand what Geript is saying, the problem is when you get to the core of it, hes really not saying much ) :

On February 26 2014 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in.

On February 26 2014 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well geript, you interpretation of me <-> Toad exchange is a big pile of i don't even know what but you are clearly not on the same page with us and your case on JJD is based on him talking about himself when he is actually talking about gumshoe which is in fact very easy to see if you read the post in question in context.

On February 26 2014 17:33 Mocsta wrote:

Geript,
I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general.
You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent???

Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad.

On February 26 2014 22:32 Mocsta wrote:
That explanatino is actually very reasonable for why you made taht comment.

hmmm, I was giving toad a townish lean based on joviality.
i cant say you have said enought o make me consider voting him though.

Have you looked into Chz at all?

On February 26 2014 22:46 Toadesstern wrote:
geript, how about you explain how you came to the conclusion that either of Rayn or me might trolling?
You think a townie OR a mafia see's someone fishing and the reasonable assumption is it's trolling?

Not some kind of plan behind it? Not some kind of bullshit? Not someone trying to cause chaos?
All explanations that are okayish/suck to some degree but I'd understand it. But trolling?

On February 26 2014 22:46 Holyflare wrote:


Toad tries shenanigans to catch people out - alignment unindicative
rayn can do it as either alignment - semi alignment indicative.....? wut?
random joke looking town read - alignment unindicative
fixated on you and only you - instant scum, vote?


don't think that adds up at all, where does toad go from being alignment null to scum based on his return of not liking your explanation?

On February 26 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:

of course not, but I like this question. You replace WoS as my buddy to murder all of mafia. Easiest townread ever

On February 26 2014 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:


you honestly think either a mafia-rayn or mafia-Toad would let that situation slip by? He said



and I said

Yes I'm pretty sure rayn would be over this if he was mafia. How do you come to the conclusion that it's a thing mafia would want to say because you make it look like you're not voting me out of confusion.

On February 27 2014 00:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Secondly, I don't think the 2nd one is more plausible at all. It's an awfully complicated explanation for a very simple situation, or rather simple once you know what' going on. There's a crapton of people in this game and rayn may or may not be a set-up man but in the end he was the only one who was able to "dismantle" the trap in an incredibly townish fashion.
He could have dismanteled it without calling me town as well and keeping a neutral stance on me. He didn't do so.

On February 27 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:
4) He comes up with a townread on rayn
So Geript comes up with a townread on rayn based on the conversation and calls me null, because reading rayn as town makes no sense. He's reading him as town himself for christs sake and dares to tell me my townread makes no sense?

On February 27 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Best of geript

1) My townread on Rayn makes no sense
It makes an awful lot of sense. There's 3 reasons for stating rayn is town in that situation, 1 being a minor one, 2 being big ones.

1. Rayn does not use the situation to call me a retard. That's the minor one but it's a reasonable guess to assume rayn would do so. Mafia like to call out people, they're actively searching for shit people are doing and yes, calling for people to claim miller in a set-up with no selfaware millers would be such a situation
   
2. Rayn opting to call me town is a route that dips any confusion and chaos right in the bucket. He could be sitting there, laughing about how I misunderstood the OP and not say a word, watching as town falls into chaos because of that. Going out and telling people I'm town clears confusion 100%. That's a major townread.
   
3. There is absolutely no reason for Rayn to call me town if he's mafia. Zero. If he's mafia he is just fine giving me a strange look without following up with a townread on me. He would be perfectly fine to just come back later, tell people he knew about it all along, as can be seen by his posts and said he though I'm being an idiot. There's literally no reason whatsoever for a mafia-rayn to call me town in that situation. That's another major townread.
   

On February 27 2014 00:58 Toadesstern wrote:


What part of the miller thing was trolly? When and where? Rayn or me? Because I can't believe how anyone would come to the conclusion that either of that is supposed to be trolly.

I also took the idea from another game, so I can actually proof it to be intentionally despite the guy in question not doing it on purpose. I literally called it "the towniest thing I've ever seen a townie post if that was on purpose" or something along those lines, as a town-cop, so you can take those words as 100% granted.

On February 27 2014 01:01 Mocsta wrote:
Another reason why Im suspect of Chz. Hes picking and choosing what to comment on and is actively adjusting his reads with thread sentiment.

On February 27 2014 01:07 Toadesstern wrote:
He's literally the only guy in the thread that says reading rayn as town from my PoV makes no sense and wants to lynch me based on that. Even worse, he says it's a null and that's why I need to be lynched. That's the definition of omgus.

On February 27 2014 01:10 Toadesstern wrote:

Read the game. You're calling me a liar in a game that I flipped town-confirmed parity cop right now.
This isn't getting you anywhere.

On February 27 2014 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:

how you don't understand how those 3 points I stated are town-reads is beyond me. I'm done with you. You die today.

You're calling me liar in a game that's already over, that I flipped town in for Christs sake. This can't get any better.

On February 27 2014 01:30 Mocsta wrote:
Where do you stand with Wave currently?

On February 27 2014 01:56 Toadesstern wrote:

I got myself modkilled once in the period of 3 years of TL mafia. I know it was a game hosted by greymist no idea which one.

Splendid reasoning as always. Toad has to be mafia when he's not dead by default on d1. Can't get any easier to call someone mafia, can it?

On February 27 2014 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
someone I'd be much happier to read after geript has flipt red.

He goes along with my thoughprocess in this whole discussion about geript which is obviously something I like. He therefore ends up voting geript as well.
His "defence" on me is somewhat weird so. Like mocsta is someone who's clearly still somewhat suspicious about me but he's clear about it. And then there's other people going the other way who are very clear about it like rayn.
I don't like people implying I'm townish without outright saying it basicly, which is the only beef I've got with him right now.

And I'm certainly not going to vote the guy who's the only other guy voting geript with me

On February 27 2014 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Also geript I wanna know why you didn't post your #swag town seal. I would imagine that a townie would be zealous to do that, and you aren't. That's quite foul.

On February 26 2014 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:

Pshh.
That was fast.
You whore.

On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:

Just establishing my dominance, honey.
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy.

On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.

On February 27 2014 05:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn do you not think that's actually attacking gumshoe from a different perspective?
Neither you or I mentioned his read of mocsta in conjunction with that post.

Geript, am I town now? Because apparently now you may have to convince Vivax 'cause he wants to talk to you about me.

On February 27 2014 05:06 WaveofShadow wrote:

Ah I think I can finally get a solid read on you.
Pop quiz, and answer this quickly.
Why is this super town for me?

On February 27 2014 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well i already think you are town so yes.

On February 27 2014 05:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

What are you basing this 'distraction' thing on? How do you know?

On February 27 2014 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No it's because of the gumshoe debate where Wavi did come very townie off from.

On February 27 2014 05:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ugh and geript's answer didn't give me as much as I'd hoped it would.
Every game geript acts as though he knows me and what I do and he is always always wrong; trouble is I'm pretty sure he is wrong as both alignments.

On February 27 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

bcz of what i have already said.

If you don't do anything real i will end up voting for you because scum want to break up people's townreads on other townies when they don't understand where they are coming for (yes, i just did that in GSL IV). Even if the read is as bullshit as you make it seem like it is in your opinion (which it isn't) it's far far more likely that it's townies who give town reads on other people based on bad reasoning at the start of the game because scum have no reason to do so.

So get over it and go do something else, right now you are tunneling someone for bullshit reasons and it makes you look bad. Even if you are right that definitely does not make Toad mafia and you are never going to convince anyone with your case. This is also something i think you would realize as town which makes me think you are even more scummy.

On February 27 2014 05:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fucking school internet
Vivax difference between you and me is I haven't looked into chyz yet but I want to, as it is relevant to thread interest right now. I don't take a stance on him yet because it doesn't make sense for me to have one before reading. You give a read based on.....? And then refuse to elaborate further.

Those two things are most certainly not the same thing.

On February 27 2014 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fucking shit geript has to be town.
but please please don't be like thins geript. okay?

On February 27 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm not so sure I agree. His play is awfully close to Survivor series. I'm not saying that make him scum but what it does mean is he is very much aware of himself and what he looks like. I would say I'm on the townier side of null when it comes to him, but I find the Toad/Geript thing hard to believe is a town/town fight for some reason.

I need to look into Chyz.

On February 27 2014 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript if you're town what you're doing isn't productive. Toad is not going to be lynched today, and if he were (unfortunately, because I know how shitty it is to feel ignored----assuming you're not faking that which I KNOW YOU CAN DO) it wouldn't be because of you.

Comment on Vivax atm. I'm pretty sure he didn't expect you to come back with a townread on me when he came out and said I looked scummy. What do you make of his posting recently?

On February 27 2014 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

And you don't remember scum geript raging and quitting the thread in Survivor?
Toad, I agree with that sentiment, but there are other things that Geript has done which doesn't make it so simple. I really do think we need to be looking elsewhere today.

On February 26 2014 17:44 TheChyz wrote:
Also on Mocsta which I didn't mention before because I thought it was not too important but all of the first posts with suki it seems like a tone of just telling her things and coaching her through the game. Just some strange interaction early on that now that mocstas read on suki changed from having some suspicion to the 2nd best town read (as rayn mentioned already)

On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta?

On February 27 2014 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I really don't like Mocsta's posting at all. His reasoning for calling people scum or discrediting them is what he does as scum. Yes gumshoe could be mafia. suki is a wildcard at the moment, i need her to post more and actually comment on what she wants to comment on and not what other people want her to comment on.

What is it that you don't like about Holyflare?

On February 27 2014 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's not the point. The point is he does a big read on suki's posts, and ends up in a null read on her. Then he "re-reads the thread" and has a different read on suki. Now what was the point of the FIRST post? He says he didn't even read closely but still he was able to write one of his biggest posts in the game on it?!??!!?!? Seriously?

He is basically saying his first post is bullshit for some reason. Well the effort put on the post doesn't seem like bullshit to me. Much effort = bullshit post in Mocsta's opinion.

Usually it goes another way around.

On February 27 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

So....completely devoid of any care as to what the thread is doing right now.
Useful.

On February 27 2014 12:06 gumshoe wrote:


Take a shit, cause your full of it.

On February 27 2014 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Speaking of ignoring my shit, Geript you didn't even read anything I wrote so I'm going to return the favour.

On February 27 2014 12:12 TheChyz wrote:

Geript quick response please without re-reading thread, is there any other reason as to why toad is scum apart from that 1 interaction with rayn early on?

On February 27 2014 12:25 TheChyz wrote:




How did your read on change from nulls on both HF and JJD to a possible vote? Like apart from the random vote early on JJD you haven't really talked about these 2 much but suddenly they fall under the people you are ok lynching. Your thought process is abysmal. Explain

On February 27 2014 12:26 geript wrote:

Sweet. I just got modconfirmed town. THanks.

On February 27 2014 12:34 Holyflare wrote:


so then you only have 2 "town reads"

On February 27 2014 12:36 TheChyz wrote:

Like I understand coming from GSL that you would think that. I was able to obs the game and my conclusion at the start of this game was the same, but it was only that, at the very start. I don't know how you all play and such so I just commented that Mocsta atm was the only person that gave off a townie vibe. However as the game progresses that same logic can't be applied. Just because he puts more effort is not a valid reason for you to guarantee that mocsta is not scum. Like mentioned by rayn (?) the GSL game was just a drawn out lurker fest which is actually probably the reason why mocsta got so antsy. Stop sticking to this argument this late in the game, its useless.

On February 27 2014 12:43 Cavalinho wrote:Furthermore, geript isn't modconfirmed town. What the fuck? Was that really what he got from the mod message from page 56?

On February 27 2014 13:24 suki wrote:


My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up.

On February 27 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:

I find it annoying that geript is playing like ass for fun right now.
He's probably town but it makes me want to policy him.

On February 27 2014 14:06 Mocsta wrote:

Y r u playing like this dude....

On February 27 2014 14:58 suki wrote:


And so? What's your point?

On February 27 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also remember a quite recent game where you did the exact same thing to Blazinghand and congratulations he was town and it got you both killed. So not a good plan anyways.

On February 27 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also remember a quite recent game where you did the exact same thing to Blazinghand and congratulations he was town and it got you both killed. So not a good plan anyways.

On February 27 2014 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax.

Btw i also think you are modconfirmed town, despite me thinking you were town earlier.
Hosts should never interact with the game in any way and while your modconfirmation is most likely crap there is a chance it's not because it makes sense. So from now on i will make a policy that i refuse to believe anyone who get's "modconfirmed" by stupid hosts or does BS shit like Mocsta is town and if it ruins the game so be it because it's not my fault.

On February 27 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And that's why noone believes you. You are not going to convince me with your case. You never talk to Toad about anything else than the crap from the beginning, you just rehash the old point noone believes over and over again and say "i know this guy is mafia". I said it before and i say it again, if you don't have more i will not believe you.

On February 27 2014 05:39 Vivax wrote:


Can you explain to me how you can find me suspicious for not-scumreading a guy you didn't even look into yet?

You want to hear reasons for him being something when you don't even know what he wrote?
What would you do with these reasons when you didn't even reach any own conclusions you could compare the information with?

But you're suspicious cause I give reasons for not talking about my read on him when you give out reads for "feels"?

##Vote WaveOfShadow

On February 27 2014 17:54 Mocsta wrote:
Who ah.....

If its a good catch, how is it null?

The direct implication of a goof catch is that its meaningful....
Co side ring this is your primary scumspect, I find the response weird

On February 27 2014 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
someone I'd be much happier to read after geript has flipt red.

He goes along with my thoughprocess in this whole discussion about geript which is obviously something I like. He therefore ends up voting geript as well.
His "defence" on me is somewhat weird so. Like mocsta is someone who's clearly still somewhat suspicious about me but he's clear about it. And then there's other people going the other way who are very clear about it like rayn.
I don't like people implying I'm townish without outright saying it basicly, which is the only beef I've got with him right now.

And I'm certainly not going to vote the guy who's the only other guy voting geript with me

On February 28 2014 02:04 Toadesstern wrote:
okay I'm back and I see another pile of bullshit from geript. That guy is getting lynched today.
At some point it's just enough.

##unvote
##vote Geript

On February 28 2014 03:02 Toadesstern wrote:
I have actually no idea what case Cavalinho is referring to... it's "toad said his case ...." so he could be referring to a case on you from someone else I commented on which didn't happen until just recently...
Or he could be mistaken and it's about a case I made on someone else?

But yeah I had you as town in my sheet. After reading WoS case and checking some of those posts he mentioned in context (like the one I just quoted recently) you're down to neutral for me, which is the reason I ended up concluding I'd rather lynch Mocsta or geript which are both flashing red for me.

Holy still comes as 3rd, followed by now gumshoe and you as 4th and 5th from the bottom given that Ange looks pretty decent right now.

On February 28 2014 03:45 gumshoe wrote:


I see you live in the united states, how does freedom taste?

On February 28 2014 03:46 Holyflare wrote:
why you ignore my shit geript

On February 28 2014 03:46 Holyflare wrote:
why you ignore my shit geript

On February 28 2014 03:48 Toadesstern wrote:

exactly. My read on him isn't strong, like I mentioned. I only mentioned him once, maybe twice because my read isn't strong.

What exactly are you accusing me off? That I don't have a strong read on every single player in the game and end up saying my read ong Cav isn't strong?
Gosh thanks for calling me town I guess.

Has the first quote anything to do with the thing or is it just to highlight the omgus?

On February 28 2014 03:52 Holyflare wrote:


because i consider you more fucking scummy for doing all this shit, saying you were ignoring everything i said, every point on toad you made is something i had already brought up, ignoring people that other people think are scummy because you cba to read into them and point out things and when you finally conform to rayn and do read vivax's filter you start to point out things and are like "hmmm... maybe"

we get what you have said about toad, people aren't listening, find other people to talk about?

On February 28 2014 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:




Third time I caught you lying.

LYNCH IT

On February 28 2014 03:56 Holyflare wrote:


nobody listens to you because you play like an asshole

On February 28 2014 07:23 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah I'm out for now as well, see you tomorrow and try to lynch Mocsta or geript, thanks

On February 28 2014 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Geript I'm waiting for you to put your vote on suki cause Toad is voting Moc.

On February 28 2014 07:45 Vivax wrote:


That's good to hear.
Is there any way I can convince you to vote Mocsta? I can post seals if you want.

On February 28 2014 07:52 Vivax wrote:
Can you tell me what your problem is?

On February 28 2014 08:06 WaveofShadow wrote:

Phonepost
Ill tell you what: I think this may warrant another look for next lynch, but your playstyle is completelyy turrning me and everyone else off from listening to you. Can you be a prodcutive member of town and help us out with this lynch?

On February 28 2014 09:06 Holyflare wrote:
lol
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lol

On February 28 2014 06:25 Holyflare wrote:
this is slightly frustrating because everything he's done has been leading up to this play

On February 28 2014 10:20 Vivax wrote:
Hey geript you know, I'm actually reading your stuff atm and there is this:

Mocsta


You:


hahahahahaha mocsta

On February 28 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
Geript I'm rereading the stuff you wrote about Toad's miller claim earlier but I'm not sure if I understand it correctly. Could you recap everything you have about Toad in the most comprehensible way possible?

I got the synopsis I think. That Toad's read on Rayn couldn't have been genuine, but I think that he or somebody else stated that it was so early in the game that the read itself was trolly.

If you could make a case for dummies that would help your cause.

On February 26 2014 21:16 Toadesstern wrote:




This is directly responding to my question to reevaluate the situation given that I, at that time, had explained what was going on. I, same as WoS, wasn't sure if you actually knew what was going on, might have been just a confused townie who didn't know what was going on, in which case his confusion about the townread would make sense. It would prove he's not reading the OP but that's hardly alignment indicating.

Instead he points me at his explanation PRIOR to my explanation, which would be completly and utterly uselss if that was done under the basis of not knowing what was going on. So he is CLEARLY stating he knew that I was redfishing all along, he clearly knew about the millers and thinks the townread makes no sense when indeed it makes an awful lot of sense.

I am restating this to make sure people get the timing of these events correctly. I've seen a bunch of comments from people but none of them are really commiting to anything. I remember JJD saying I made sense, I remember 2 people I don't know saying geript makes no sense, I remember suki saying there are no millers which seems fairly odd (now that I think about it, she might have been just not known what's going on and thought WoS misunderstood me... have to reread that) and WoS posting this:


which is basicly a giant "yeah makes sense with your explanation but I totally didn't know about it. Could be geript totally didn't know about it either despite looking like he did. See that 2nd post he did? Maybe he's just confused" and then a lot of nothing because he looks like he doesn't want to wifom over this as long as he has no idea about geripts state of knowledge.

We do know how much geript knew about this. Geript clearly stated that he knew what was going on all along. Stop talking about it as if there was a possibility of it not being the case and tell me what you make of geript given the conclusion that he knew about it all along.

Like I said, I see a bunch of talk about him and a bunch of "this is weird", yet I'm the only one voting him. Why is that?
Need to pick up my sis, be back in an hour.

On February 28 2014 08:54 Aquanim wrote:
Votecount

Mocsta (4) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern, Toadesstern, JarJarDrinks, suki

geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript, Gumshoe

gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (6) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777, Cavalinho

Vivax (1) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki

Everyone has voted

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Suki is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in .
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!

On February 28 2014 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Preliminary vote analysis says Chyz is scum, btw. I find that usually mafia do NOT pile on to save a teammate.
Hell like, ever. But more on this tomorrow.
Would be particularly interesting if Mocsta is scum as well.

On February 28 2014 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i have read SMB D1 and maybe geript is right and Toadesstern is mafia. In that game he actually cares about the lynch and discusses different possibilities with multiple people, in this game he doesn't give a flying fuck about the lynch.

On February 28 2014 16:17 TheChyz wrote:

Even tho I think this was meant as a joke I think that ultimately this is what this game feels like. I don't think any of the scum have any of the votes on suki since there was not substantial votes on her until the end of the day. Also apart from that basically everybody who has voted for suki I read as being town. The only iffy one in there for me is gumshoe.

Even for the small posibility there is 1 of the scum that voted for suki, it can't be possible there was 2 (I'm assuming 3 scum at least since thats what it usually is, right?) voting for her. Therefore I think for now we treat those 5 as confirmed towns. Along with that vivax for now gets a confirmed town pass from most people (could change depending what happens after night is over). So the only people that should be left to analyze are myself, mocsta, geript, toad, cava, and JJD.

After reading suki's filter more closely I came with a few conclusions. As typical with scum, it is pretty normal for them to have some contact with another scum member in order so that it doesn't really look like they are avoiding them and in order to gain any credibility later on in the game in case they get lynched. A quick summary of her filter is:
alot of talk with mocsta early on, asking ppls opinions on mocsta, I'm her second scum read, tries to make a terrible case on my meta, town read on Wos, goes a bit on vivax by sheeping WoS, again more questions about mocsta, JJD is town read, geript is weird as FU, votes on vivax, asks holy what thoughts on me are (was really random imo), backs off of vivax, jumps back onto me, lynched to death. (PS, she didn't unvote so dunno if her vote still went through, doesn't really matter, but hopefully someone can confirm if it counts or not so i know just in case for the future).

After going through this the only people who are on the list in the last paragraph are myself, mocsta, geript, and JJD. So I think from now on that these are the only people that should be left for town to analyze. I myself know I'm town so for me its down to only 3. But for everybody else I think that town should just focus on these atm as I'm pretty sure one of them is scum.

On an aside, I remember pretty well that suki jumped from a null read to suddenly number 2 read from mocsta... even more strange now that we know suki's alignment.

On February 28 2014 16:22 Cavalinho wrote:


Yes and no. In a highly polarized lynch like this one, TheChyz stands to lose quite a bit of standing if Mocsta flipped town while suki got out of it and he just came up with a reason to vote Mocsta; this way, he at the very least blends in while not harming the town. Suki was in a position where she was most likely going to get lynched no matter how you try to put it, especially if Mocsta flipped town. I want you to answer this question very honestly: If suki got out of that lynch alive, would you be telling Vivax to shoot her or, at the very least, be pushing hard to get her lynched tomorrow?

On February 28 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No no no no Cavalinho, you don't lynch your scumbuddy on D1 if you can avoid it. Lynching mafia D1 is far worse for scum than even all scum hard defending that said mafia.

On February 28 2014 16:22 Cavalinho wrote:


Again, this just banks on the fact that mafia might actually be incompetent enough to allow two of their three members to be the ones with the highest votecounts for the first day of play, which is highly unlikely.

On February 28 2014 16:36 Cavalinho wrote:
And for the record, I absolutely followed my reads. I thought that rayn and HF were stronger townreads that knew something that I didn't. And they did.

On February 28 2014 16:35 TheChyz wrote:

Thanks for calling my post terrible and basically using almost all of the same confirmed townies that I listed aswell. ++ points to you

On February 28 2014 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Again read these:
A Quiet game mini mafia
Normal mini mafia Episode 1

On February 28 2014 16:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i had asuper town read on you once because i asked if you think your hydra partner is mafia.
It was so terrible reasoning it was good!

On February 28 2014 17:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes but he was not here, suki was not here, when the lynch was actually swung from "we don't know what the fuck to do" into "let's lynch suki/Mocsta".

Vivax was on the table, gumshoe, JJD.. They were all on the table at that point.

On February 28 2014 17:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
maybe even you geript, and toad.

On February 28 2014 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here, this is just before my vote on suki.

Do you think this looks like there is some clear direction??

On February 28 2014 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay geript, let's drop it for about 5 days or so?
Basically we are arguing if there is a scenario where Mocsta can be mafia or not. That is something that is not relevant until it becomes self-explanatory (when all the scummy people have flipped and the game does not end). Agreed?

Let's talk about TheChyz. Do you think he can be mafia?

On February 28 2014 17:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can't believe Ange is mafia. I just can't believe it. She is good enough to not get suki lynched in that situation.

On February 28 2014 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait who called gumshoe Tram? I remember someone doing so.

On February 28 2014 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah i can get that but are you referring to Ange or gumshoe possibly being scum with this?

On February 28 2014 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You heard our conversation @ the GSL game right?

On February 27 2014 12:06 gumshoe wrote:


Take a shit, cause your full of it.

On March 01 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:

+1

On March 01 2014 09:51 Cavalinho wrote:


...Why?

On March 01 2014 09:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Chyz before Cav imo.
I suppose at some point I could read the both of them but care factor is waaaayyy down.
Vivax confirmed scum for making town barely care about game anymore 'cause we're doing too well

On March 01 2014 11:19 Cavalinho wrote:


I was going to say this.

Gumshoe is the most likely lynch after this one. Chyz doesn't really make any sense, especially after the so-called "TL meta" dictates that him not saving suki makes no sense.

On March 01 2014 22:44 Vivax wrote:
geript why did you say it didn't matter that you got RB?

On March 01 2014 23:18 Vivax wrote:
It does matter a lot since scum preferred to roleblock you rather than go for the safe play and roleblock me.

Can you muse a little about how that claim could have made sense for a Toad fakeclaming DT and checking Cavalinho when basically a roleblock from scum can be used to put you into a better light?

On March 01 2014 23:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
They could have RBed gereipt cause if he was like DT or a 2nd vig, he would have targetted toad.

And I think the fact that vivax wasn't RB'd should look pretty good for me.

Like seriously think about about it. Toad and I are both scum, pretty much everyone is advocating shooting one of us. Yet we just let the vig take his shot even though we have a roleblocker? Like why? Just for the wifom?

On March 02 2014 00:22 Vivax wrote:
Well ima put my vote where my mouth is.

##Vote geript

Bussing each other with shitty arguments that couldn't convince a kid that one of them is scum for all of D1.

Geript going super town on Mocsta and yet not giving a fuck that he almost got a majority around deadline (not giving a fuck cause he could have voted suki to support that read).

Trying to backtrack on his Toad read after they lost the GF. Without success.

Getting roleblocked by Toad to make him look less shitty and possibly giving Toad a reason to backtrack on his read.

To me it makes sense this way.

On March 02 2014 00:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wow geript way to make me look like an asshole
THANKS A LOT

On March 02 2014 00:26 Vivax wrote:
The reason is that I didn't hint anything about Toad getting shot after the martir-y post and his lack of posting, instead attacked gumshoe and Ange7.

But I'll find that out postgame.

On March 02 2014 00:26 gumshoe wrote:


Cav probes ) : I've been thinking about toads dt check on him, it would make little sense if cav was town. scum needs to be able to make mislynches happen then go woops my bad, best thing think the cav read gives him is a 1 for 1 cause we'd just immediately kill him after cav and we still would get two more mislynches even if Vivax had hit a townie. If cav is his buddy though, green read might help them out a bit, because the prescence of a god father supports a dt claim.

After that Geript I guess, he was also someone that was firmly in mocs camp and was therefore not in a position to hammer Moc. But at the same time He didn't switch onto Suki which would have helped save Moc, one of his Main town reads.

Why was that Geript? We're you that confident that Moc wasn't getting lynched that you felt is was more prudent to make a silly statement( that turned out scarily warranted XD but that's not the point) then save a town read?