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Straight out of GSL On February 14 2014 06:37 VIVAX420 wrote: Still waiting for opinions on Shiao and sidesprang. ~V In this game, we get the post from Vivax I quoted before where he takes a dump on town and then says he will go back to lurking. Note, there is no gobetween with Gumshoe. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:06 Toadesstern wrote: Toad, did you read the context of why I raised that point?I'm not playing host-wifom. I don't understand why rayn thinks you're confirmed town for no reason and I think the fact that that's a thing makes you even more likely to be mafia. It was specifically relating to gumshoe saying he is aware of my mentality because we played scum together. The sad thing is, this is very similar to your position (just opposite decision) with the miller claim (i.e. you would have gone after Rayn as scum) The fact that you are not dropping this, is highly indicative that you are town. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:09 Vivax wrote: You can ride on that post all you want Moc. Fact is, I didn't go back to lurking, and I just witnessed the toad geript shitfest that looked like a load of bullcrap to me and hence made the post. Gumshoe didn't even come back since my post at the time, so there can be no gobetween. Try to fling more shit pls. You can start by addressing the point I made regarding your inconsistencies with the gumshoe read and mocsta read. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: ermm.. BttB which you played in. Me and thrawn called each other masons (i.e. confident town reads) within the first 30minutes.+ Show Spoiler + ##vote Gumshoe First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town: On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote: You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town. He just can't possibly be that confident. "can't" is a word too strong. I think the real question should be whether scum gumshoe has any value to insert me as a town read at that point in time. You could argue he used me as a platform to leap onto Suki, but did this really go anywhere? Compare gumshoe to Vivax. Gumshoe has maintained i am town all game. Something town *or* scum can do. Whereas Vivax voted me with thread sentiment and still to this point has not identified items that are scummy to this game. His main criteria was that I am not tryhard like in Smurf Mafia. 1 game in say ~14. | ||
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Pls read GSL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=441596&user=VIVAX420&view=all and ctrl +f "~V" Vivax is much more assertive in this game and is paying attention to a variety of reads and is generally transparent with where he is at. This game everything is nitpicking and/or calling things weird but not specifying why they are worth calling out. I want to make another comparison between GSL (town) and this game. This game: On February 27 2014 02:53 Vivax wrote: Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game. You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way, and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe  Oh well back to lurking. GSL: On February 16 2014 02:39 VIVAX420 wrote: These two posts DO NOT originate from the same mindset.What is that acting like not giving a fuck if you get lynched, it should be in your best interest if you are a townie. First you say you don't have time to post then say it's cause you're lazy. You call a guy scum for no reason, then ask why you should be bothered to write anything about it. Nowhere any intention to see to solve the game. Are you scum or do you just sign up for games to do nothing in them? Everything since the post where kush posts from his own acc has been him btw. Also I'd prefer to wait some more until hammering so I'll unvote. ~V | ||
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Many have already been posted, you are intentionally ignoring. Another difference with GSL. You were always asking questions to the thread with an uncertain conclusion; here, the conclusion is made up and you are telling people. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:39 Vivax wrote: Question to geript about WoS: So, where is the certain conclusion Moc? I was always doing blabla in GSL and now I'm always doing blabla. What a load of crap, and zero examples to back it up. you do realise you are responding to me identically to how i responded to kush in GSL lol anyways, my votes on you. this is pointless | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote: Votecount Mocsta (2) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (0) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (2) - Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in . If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know! I think ur missing gumshoe voting for me I was wondering whetherh you disappeared or chose to ignore my comment about Thrawn/Shoe. Guess its the latter | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town. im keen to hear a bit more about this one. | ||
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Do you think you are playing differently to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz&view=all | ||
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Why are you fixated on getting the support of Rayn. Everytime you keep raising this issue (that everyone else has said is not an issue) you bring up Rayn. This is growing tiresome. | ||
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Whats different? | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:25 TheChyz wrote: That game I wanted to be aggressive and use myself as lynch bait to try to find scum. I won't mention what my plan is this game but you can probably realize its not the exact same. You're actually looking better to me after reading that filter and comparing to here. I just found it peculiar in that game you only had 2 posts in a 4 page filter that contained quotes, compared to this game hence the question. Where do you stand with JJD, Vivax, Cavalinho. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:27 Toadesstern wrote: I am actually considering him to be confirmed mafia because of it and rayn is being wrong on it. Rayn and WoS are the two people I have the biggest townreads on, so yeah I tend to try and convince them more than other people. Rayn happened to be around, WoS not really, timezones are a bitch. read my posts. I told you yesterday I'm not reading you for todays lynched and I'm on either geript of Mocsta so yeah, hasn't really changed. But like I said, out for real now. STOP BEING A RETARD. If you want to espouse this bullshit, have the decency to read the fucking thread as you promised. Instead you have self-admitted to not reading the full context REPEATEDLY. YOU ARE SHITTING UP THE THREAD. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote: Votecount Mocsta (2) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (1) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (2) - Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in . If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know! Suki is on here twice too. There is so much OMGUS circles this game: Gumshoe/JJD Toad/Geript Vivax/Wave Really need to consolidate with 8 hrs left. I surmise the 3 options will/should be: Myself, + Vivax/Geript | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:49 Vivax wrote: JarJar since gumshoe is your person of suspicion you should be interested in WoS too based on the points I brought up about him. On February 27 2014 22:43 Mocsta wrote: I find this post curious. I asked my question in the first place because: The entire premise of Vivax argument is based on Suki + Mocsta = town. Yet when queried about me being town I get "Not yet" with some nice doors opening to move onto Suki too. Which again conquers his gumshoe is scum argument. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:51 suki wrote: This smells to me.Mmmm.. I don't know so much about Vivax anymore. I looked through a bunch of his games and tried to find differences between his scum and town games. In his town games Titanic Mini, TL Mafia LXI, Basterd Mini I observed that he tended to just sort of comment on things he found suspicious, not really focusing on a single player, but then when he finds someone he thinks is scummy (Oats in Mafia LXI, Rayn in Basterd Mini), he gets really active and starts making big cases on that person and really pushing that lynch. In his mafia games, Roulette Mini, Doctor Who, TL Mafia LX, Fruity Mafia I observed that he tended to jump around a lot more and not really focus on one person. He also pressures and asks more questions rather than post reads. In his older scum games he did post a lot more one liners, but that's not as evident in his more recent scum games. There's also a tell that I found in 3 of 4 of his scum games that didn't show up here, which is kind of a mindset thing as well that I'm not seeing in Vivax's play. mmmm... One of the main things that I disliked about Vivax's play was that he didn't seem like he was interested in scum hunting, particularly in the beginning of the game. I think that it's more consistent with his town meta. Same with his case on Wave, although I don't agree with it, this tunnel looks similar to his town games as well. ##unvote One, its great you listed a compendium of resources BUT vivax has been inactive for a long time. Thats like us using ya 2012 newbie to judge your play. Vivax has a recent town game, GSL, and even though its hydra it was admitted in the thread that him + kush were not that active/engaged in PM so its a fair indication of his current town play. Two, the timing looks opportune. At least others are stating that they found the cases weak. You on the other hand are using unsubstantiated meta to counter cases you previously thought were strong. You might find that hypocritical of me to say, but then, I am not the one selling myself as a analytical re-read player either. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:55 Vivax wrote: Stop twisting what I said. .... (1) You are calling gumshoe scum (2) You are stating scum would be compelled to intervene (as gumshoe did) if the argument between moc/suki was town vs town (1) + (2) equivocate to me being a town read -- which you later deny. | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:57 suki wrote: ??Ugh.. I've got class today again, and I'm not sure how long it will go for so I might not be around for the deadline. However!!! this weekend I'll have plenty of time to post and read and stuff. I'm gonna fall back on TheChyz, I think he's the most scummy person so far. I don't feel good about Vivax or Mocsta lynches atm and I don't want a geript lynch today either because the only time I've played with people who have had a holier than thee' attitude towards me and basically ignored me or discredited me they have been town (VE in Normal mini, Palmar in Cultured). I think that it speaks of a townie sort of confidence. Anyways I'll be back tonight. ##vote TheChyz | ||
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On February 28 2014 00:59 suki wrote: Opportune: Jumped on Vivax because case was good and thread sentiment prediction.Hm I didn't take into account the dates of the games. And I don't know what you mean by opportune, I woke up, thought Vivax was suspicious and looked into him and decided he wasn't. Now that a few have stymied the Vivax train -- with no specifics, its an easy retract. | ||
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