EPTNow me/Wave argument about gumshoe cannot possibly be one of these "hunches" because it happened after you said you had some hunches. So the only conclusions is that you are making shit up.
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Now me/Wave argument about gumshoe cannot possibly be one of these "hunches" because it happened after you said you had some hunches. So the only conclusions is that you are making shit up. | ||
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On February 26 2014 17:13 TheChyz wrote: Well your asking me what my hunches are. Am I not allowed to post anything that I have found since then? Or should I pretend that my thoughts dont develop over time and stay 1 dimensional? Dunno what your on about. I especially asked you what those particular hunches were at that time. | ||
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On February 26 2014 15:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is actually valuable for people trying to read you, so please, what are these hunches you were talking about? Could you point out the specific posts. | ||
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On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote: I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted. I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. No you literally reread him, even made a case that never ended up being a case because there were "townie things and scummy things so you ended up on a null read". Then, after suki has posted nothing at all after that, you say she is your #2 scumread. That's pure bullshit. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:57 Mocsta wrote: hmmm started off by wanting to write a case on Suki but now ended up as nullish. Anyways for reference: + Show Spoiler + (1) On February 26 2014 09:08 suki wrote: For me, if you want to fake claim, you just do it.Hey guys, so I moved my thing that I had tonight to Wednesday day/night so I'm here now. I had to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird but anyways I'm Harry Potter. My power is I can shoot ##spells at people and make them do things. If we lynch correctly I learn new spells. Right now my spell list is: ##Expeliarmus - Makes target sheeping player provide reasoning on their vote otherwise they have to unvote. "I am HP, I have #spells" blah blah . The addition of "having to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird" is verbose and the type of fluff I find people write to make themselves feel safe with a lie <--- indicative of a mafia mindset. (2) On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote: So are you saying I'm scummy? On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Scummiest so far, yes On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote: So then why isn't your vote on me? On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote: This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy. Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote: I've read this exchange a couple times and come to the same conclusion... null.lol what. ##vote Mocsta I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy. Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). I completely agree with what I wrote: "so then why isn't your vote on me?" is very passive aggressive for early Day1 and is a precursor to calling somebody scum. HOWEVER, I can't shake the feeling that Suki is retorting emotionally/personally -- which ties in with being called not Suki prior -- and thus makes me consider this is a townie going passive aggressive based on anger. (3) The rest of the filter makes me lean town somewhat. Im leaning towards I haven't communicated my position well, and Suki has interpreted me the wrong way. Now it's quite clear he has put a lot of thought into this case (regardless of the conclusion) if he is town. Okay, that means he has read suki's posts with thought and this is not a "okay let's just throw something from the top of my head" type of a post. The only thing suki posts after this is "I still think Mocsta is my #1 scumread. cya tomorrow". This is something that is at best a null post for town!Mocsta because it doesn't really say anything new. This is what Mocsta posts next: On February 26 2014 16:34 Mocsta wrote: Caught up and re-read Current reads: Wave Suki Gumshoe Calvalinho toadesstern ange777 jarjardrinks vivax geript Holyflare thechyz rayn Will expound in a bit. swamped @ work. Now, suddenly, suki is his top 2 town read, which makes no sense based on what suki has done between these two posts from Mocsta. Possible explanations for contradiction are:
Now, there is no fucking reason why Mocsta would go from reasoning(post1) to reasoning(post2) unless one of the above is true. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078¤tpage=32#621 In this post you question gumshoe about things i think either he, or someone else has already answered. Did you even read the big me/Wave/gumshoe discussion? Like, i don't see anything in that post that is not answered already. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:02 geript wrote: Rayn, why are you so town on Toad? bcz of what i have already said. If you don't do anything real i will end up voting for you because scum want to break up people's townreads on other townies when they don't understand where they are coming for (yes, i just did that in GSL IV). Even if the read is as bullshit as you make it seem like it is in your opinion (which it isn't) it's far far more likely that it's townies who give town reads on other people based on bad reasoning at the start of the game because scum have no reason to do so. So get over it and go do something else, right now you are tunneling someone for bullshit reasons and it makes you look bad. Even if you are right that definitely does not make Toad mafia and you are never going to convince anyone with your case. This is also something i think you would realize as town which makes me think you are even more scummy. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn do you not think that's actually attacking gumshoe from a different perspective? Neither you or I mentioned his read of mocsta in conjunction with that post. Geript, am I town now? Because apparently now you may have to convince Vivax 'cause he wants to talk to you about me. No but it has been mentioned before. Vivax already said later on he does not want to question people for same stuff other people do and that's all i see in that post. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote: K Rayn I have officially decided I like you this game. For once, just once, can we try and work shit out together? Well i already think you are town so yes.  | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:10 geript wrote: I want you to admit it's because of my read. No it's because of the gumshoe debate where Wavi did come very townie off from. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: [..] But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. ..than this: On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote: What I don't like about this post is that he can't simply say what he thinks about suki, but feels like has to put a Mocsta townread in front of it. That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah I'm reading JJD right now. It's sort of the same thing I guess but Vivax goes into specific detail while JJD simply just goes off of gumshoe's sentiment at the time. You are right though it's not completely novel and so now I feel better about being suspicious of Vivax. Can you read into JJD a little for me? He flip-flops around a lot on Mocsta which I actually find decently townie, but the problem is throughout his posting, his reads look as though they're echoing wherever he guesses thread sentiment to be going at the time. He also says he agrees with my sentiment (the post you and I argued about forever) but never comments on it beyond that point or expands; you'd think that a comment on his strongest scumread at the time would warrant a little more. The only thing that bothers me with JJD is that (i hope i am not lying here because i am not 100% sure if he has in fact done this ^^) he's not came up with a case that's actually JJD'ish already. But from what i read the post i just referenced in addition to Vivax' one, i stand behind my townread on him for the towniness of the thought process in that post. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah I'm reading JJD right now. It's sort of the same thing I guess but Vivax goes into specific detail while JJD simply just goes off of gumshoe's sentiment at the time. You are right though it's not completely novel and so now I feel better about being suspicious of Vivax. Can you read into JJD a little for me? He flip-flops around a lot on Mocsta which I actually find decently townie, but the problem is throughout his posting, his reads look as though they're echoing wherever he guesses thread sentiment to be going at the time. He also says he agrees with my sentiment (the post you and I argued about forever) but never comments on it beyond that point or expands; you'd think that a comment on his strongest scumread at the time would warrant a little more. This is actually a really good point and worth of investigating. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:28 geript wrote: I missed this earlier. No, it's not a read I'm backing down on. I'm tired of backing down on my reads when I think they're 100% right and people aren't listening. Everyone said the exact same thing about Oats in LoL... who was right there? I don't give a hot damn if that makes me look scummy or if that makes you want to lynch me. It's my read. I'm going to end D1 with my vote on scum and pushing Scum and if you don't want to join me then that's your problem not mine. So you are going to vote for Toad until the game ends or you die? How is that productive? | ||
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but please please don't be like thins geript. okay? | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not so sure I agree. His play is awfully close to Survivor series. I'm not saying that make him scum but what it does mean is he is very much aware of himself and what he looks like. I would say I'm on the townier side of null when it comes to him, but I find the Toad/Geript thing hard to believe is a town/town fight for some reason. I need to look into Chyz. No he is not. In Survivor he was giving opinions left and right and commented on multiple cases in detail. This is the "my way or highway" -geript that ends up being a massive shitfest or ragequit. geript and Toad, you can't lynch each other, it's not gonna happen today. Could you both please at least talk about other people? This is going nowhere atm. | ||
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